Royals right-hander Zack Greinke holds a partial no-trade clause and has given the club a list of fifteen teams that he will refuse to go to. Despite being one of the leading suitors for the hurler, the Blue Jays are on the no-trade list, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. However, sources say that Greinke has told Kansas City that he is willing to go anywhere.
Players frequently waive no-trade clauses, often times in exchange for a contractual benefit. Even though Greinke seems open-minded, one rival GM remains skeptical of that stance, saying that a club being on the no-trade list makes a deal less likely.
While the Blue Jays may face an obstacle in landing the ace, other potential suitors are not on the no-trade list. The Braves, Reds, and Rangers were all left off of the fifteen-team list.
I think Texas would be a great fit if they lose out on Lee. They have the specs to get it done and I think Zach would be successful in Texas.
Yeah I really think they get Grienke and if I’m KC why not load the farm team anymore? KC will be sick in 3-4 years (if everyone develops and they keep them).
Dang…
Greinke to the Royals: “I don’t care where you trade me to, just get me out of here. Anywhere is better than here.”
What do you expect though, KC rebuilds their team every other year and has a small fan base. Who would want to be there?
I’m not a Royals fan and have little knowledge of their system, but they have one have the best farm systems in baseball. In a few years I would expect they could be a much more attractive destination.
in a few years they will be…unfortunately for KC Greinke seems to be in a win now mood..It appears he wants to pitch in a W.S. sooner rather than later. I’m with you tho, why would he not want to stick out two years then take the central by storm?
OK MY MISTAKE. They’re on the brink of making the playoffs. My mistake. That’s why their best player wants to leave, because their about to run away with the central. Stop trying to convince me that KC is better than they are.
Everyone has good young players okay. And if they have such a good fan base why do they have one of the lowest attendances in the league?
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
The conclusion among Baseball Prospectus, Baseball America, and other publications is that the Royals have THE BEST farm system in Major League baseball. Five 5-star prospects, and ton of depth. This is in addition to young centerpieces like Butler and Soria. They are two years away from seriously contending.
As far as the fan base goes, KC has an extremely loyal fan base – when you adjust for 25 years of terrible teams. Considering how bad they’ve been, it’s a miracle they have any fans at all.
Fine they’ll be good like 5-7 years from now then. That’s not what I’m talking about. IM TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW. Are they going to even compete for the Central this year, next year, the year after? NOO. So why would anyone want to be there RIGHT NOW. That’s what I said. Who cares about a farm system years before it flourishes when there are always questions marks whether young baseball talent will pan out. I’m surprised Greinke hasn’t wanted out of there sooner.
I take your point that KC not an attractive destination for SOME people, like Greinke, in win-now mode. But that’s not why I said you don’t know what you’re talking about. Here are my objections to what you have said, since we’re getting specific:
“Everyone has good young players.” This statement is misleading. Yes, all teams have hyped prospects. But some hyped prospects are above average, and others aren’t. The Royals’ group of minor league players is, by most metrics, the best.
“KC has a small fan base.” Whether you think that’s true or not depends more on semantics than anything else. True, attendance at games is low, but the Royals draw a regional viewership. The fan base itself encompasses Kansas, Nebraska, and NW Missouri. They should be able to attract more fans to the K, and many more to the TV, when they do get good. The BASE is strong, even if attendance, and even Nielson ratings, are down right now.
If KC were winning (which obviously they aren’t), Greinke would never leave. He loves the city, and doesn’t care about the fans… he just hates losing.
Kansas City could compete in 2012 if they had Greinke…
Ya just like the Jay’s could “compete” this year with Grienke, prospects take a lot of time to grow, you’re probably looking at closer to 4 years before KC contends.
Royals have a lot easier path to the playoffs than the Jays do
i’d say Royals get there first
AL East is not as good anymore as they were 2 years ago. Watch the Rays and Red Sox take a step back next year.
as a jays fan i’m nervous about overhyping the jays chances this year. its true that yanks, sox and rays could take a step back, but there is a larger gap between them and the jays than you might think. yanks are gonna be the same or better (unless they’re all gonna turn into old grannies this offseason). bosox, though they lose vmart and possibly beltre, just acquired gonzalez and are also less likely to suffer the ridiculous number of injuries they had last year. tampa still has a great rotation, and jennings could be a good replacement for crawford, and tho their bullpen is in tatters, it is no worse off than the jays right now. as a jays fan i can only be cautiously optimistic
Yes you are right Posey took four years to grow didnt he…
c’mon bud, thats the exception to the general rule
Greinke is leaving dude.
The Royals are absolutely stacked in the minors much like the Rays were 3 years ago if not more so. They have 5 (3 in the top 10) players in the top 25 and most teams don’t have 3 in the top 100 of Baseball America. They won’t be in contention next year, but 2012 and beyond they have as good a chance as anyone in the central.
Fine they’ll be good like 5-7 years from now then. That’s not what I’m talking about. IM TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW. Are they going to even compete for the Central this year, next year, the year after? NOO. So why would anyone want to be there RIGHT NOW. That’s what I said. Who cares about a farm system years before it flourishes when there are always questions marks whether young baseball talent will pan out. I’m surprised Greinke hasn’t wanted out of there sooner.
2010 home attendance figures:
Toronto 1,625,555
KC 1,615,327
2010 population figures:
Toronto 2.5m (5m including metro area)
KC 475,830 (2m including metro area)
And your point? I love how you move from KC problems to Toronto. Toronto has a way larger ceiling for attendance than KC. Toronto actually is showing that they want to contend. But yeah put these random figures on there. As if that will convince anyone where the better destination is; it’s obvious.
Shows nothing about a better destination, shows that you have idea what you are talking about when you speak about KC’s fanbase. Took 2 seconds to look up the attendance figures. Has nothing to do with bashing the Jays either, as I like them. Just shows you don’t have facts with what you say.
2010 avg ticket prices:
Toronto $23.84
KC $19.38
2010 beer prices:
Toronto $6.90
KC $6.00
2010 hot dog prices:
Toronto $5.00
KC $4.00
Sounds like a Royals game is a good bit more affordable than a Jays game. You should probably also consider that before you try to imply that KC’s attendance is really okay compared to Toronto.
If you would read above and see my response it had nothing to do with dogging Toronto. The uneducated point above was made that if kc had such a good fan base then why do they have one of the lowest attendances in the league. My response was to show that despite having a metro population of nearly 3 million people less, KC only drew 10,000 people less then his Toronto team in 2010. And that was without adding that Toronto’s seating capacity is 10,000 more, and they get 3 home series a year each with NY and Boston, whereas KC has one home series with each. And Toronto had a WINNING team to go and watch!
So again, I like the Blue Jays, but to bag a fan base of a team that you are barely outdrawing yourself is just wrong.
But hey…thanks for the hot dog price info.
Toronto is a city with 5 times the population of KC, and they drew a measly 100 fans more per game? Your also compating candian vs american markets. Not sure what conclusion you think you can draw from that.
I find this hilarious. A Blue Jays fan talking about attendance and fan base.
FYI, Toronto (with a population almost double that of KC) had worse attendance than KC in 2010. Look it up. Almost a thousand less a game.
I find it hilarious that you’re deflecting from what I’m talking about. When did I say Toronto does not have a problem with their attendance? Of course they do. Does not mean that Toronto is just as attractive a destination than KC.
It doesn’t seem like you are very familiar with the Royals current rebuilding situation
Actually, they dont have a small fan base at all, and they have the best minor league system in recent history…At this point, who wouldn’t want to go there?
Yep that’s right. Greinke is being stupid by wanting to leave KC. You’re right my mistake.
Wow. Most rational post on MLBTR. EVER.
I hear they bus in nationals fans?
If thats true, that is damn sad
Can’t say I blame him, it just sucks for Royals fans.
Coming from a Blue Jays fan. Hilarious. The Royals had better attendance than Toronto in 2010, FYI.
He’s actually said several times throughout his career in KC that he likes living in KC quite a bit.
exactly…But at this point and time in his career…He needs to be in a winning situation. Also, he has trouble getting motivated on the Royals and recent stats prove that point from experts…His wife is also a model. Models like bright lights.
Are there bright lights in Toronto? Just saying….
Texas seems to have an endless supply of of specs.
That’s ok by Jays fans. The price would have been too steep.
I don’t think people are reading this carefully. The no-trade to Toronto means nothing because he is willing to go anywhere. Quiet.
Either way, the cash, the talent sent, the risk are not worth it
depends on the talent.
He can say that now. But it’s called a no-trade clause for a reason.
really don’t believe greinke is that great, he had 1 great season. others are good at best.
DM is probably about to tell him to go to hell if it’s “anywhere” other than some city that actually meets KC’s demands
I get the feeling something has happened between Greinke and the Royals. Seems like he just keeps getting more desperate to get out of KC.
I feel like most of the things you’re hearing is just speculation by the national writers (Heyman, Rosenthal, etc). Greinke looks to be the darling of the winter meetings 2010.
I get the feeling he just wants to leave the Royals and sees the other moves the AL Central teams are making, while the Royals perenially don’t do anything (adding Betemit is not a move by the way). I don’t blame him. Go somewhere where you have a chance to win more than 65 games, get some national attention, land a major deal in a few years.
I don’t disagree at all. If I were him I’d like to move to a team that is competitive right now, not in 1-2+ years like the Royals. If he is traded to a team on his no trade clause he will likely negotiate an extension to his contract.
He’s just tired of losing.
Anybody know the definitive list of Grienke’s no trade teams?
this guy has got to be the biggest diva in baseball. i cant stand primadonna’s like him. please stay away blue jays
You missed the Derek Jeter thread.
Here’s what I’m thinking…
Delgado, Minor, and Bethancourt
Jackson, Lee, and Cashner
Storen, Norris, and Burgess
Betances, Adams, Chamberlain, and Montero
Pineda, Franklin, Choi, and Perez
Odorizzi, Lawrie, Ramlow, and Jeffress (by the way who read the thing about Braun for Greinke?)
Drabek, Perez, and Gose
Hamilton, Mesoraco, and Leake
Holland, Profar, and Beltre
Martinez Mesa, Conger, Moore, and Walden
Rasmus and Sanchez
Hicks, Gibson, and Slama
Whered you hear Braun for Greinke?
Its on ESPN
I think they could get more from the Braves if they ate some of the salary for this year, to make him fit into their budget. Beachy and another low prospect should do it.
I like the Nats on this one , there on a roll. Trade Storen and Desmond for Grienke and throw in a lower level prospect.
I’m sure the Royals would jump at trading Greinke for a relief pitcher and a mediocre-to-decent young shortstop. I’m sure no other team in the Majors would be able to trump such an overwhelming offer. Can’t believe this deal hasn’t been done already.
This is a better offer than than what the Sox just offered for Gonzo! Not one of those prospects will sniff the majors for a least two yrs.
Who cares how far away they are? The Padres aren’t gunning for the playoffs in the next few years. If you believe that, there’s really no sense in debating with you. Storen is a reliever. Even the best relievers are only so valuable. Desmond is a mediocre shortstop, those grow on trees. Kelly has the skillset to be a top of the rotation starter (a #1 or #2 guy). Rizzo doesn’t project as a superstar but as a very solid player, maybe one of those guys who makes the All-Star team a few times over his career (like a Konerko type). Fuentes is still young but quite talented, a recent first round pick. There is no comparison. Even if the Nationals added Norris and Marrero to an offer with Desmond and Storen, that would STILL not be enough given what other teams could/would offer.
remind me again why the cardinals would trade their only above average outfielder defensively and why they would even want grienke. Oh and while your at it, why they would trade there best relief prospect when Rasmus for Grienke seems like plenty.
Because many many people think the Royals could get Greinke for Profar/Beltre/Scheppers/and Holland…and that package > Rasmus and Sanchez.
that doesn’t answer my question at all.
Because there is no other pitcher the cards would even trade Rasmus for and they have to move him. It isn’t like he is going to be a cardinal next year. The Cards have no pitchers other than Shelby Miller to offer the Royals. He is further away from the Majors then 4 other Royal minor league pitcher’s who are all rated higher right now.
You Jays offer makes sense. Greinke looks comparable to Halladay at the start of his career. Greinke wins Cy Young at age 25 and follows with a drop-off year. Halladay wins Cy Young at age 26 followed by a drop-off year.
Drabek, Gose, + makes sense.
For the Drabek lovers, you can’t compare Drabek to Greinke. Drabek was pitching in AA at age 23 while Greinke had his first MLB season at age 20.
As a Jay’s fan, i still am not convinced that dumping a boatload of the farm system is worth it. Their starting staff is not in any kind of trouble, they already have young talented arms. If they can get the trade done thats great-leave Snider and Drabeck out-but if that is what it takes please walk away AA!
I don’t doubt it.
As a die-hard Jays fan, I’m not sure trading away top tier prospects for Grienke would be a good idea. It seems Jays fans are of the mindset that if we get Grienke, we’ll undoubtedly be in playoff contention. This just isn’t true. Sure, we’re MORE LIKELY to be with Grienke, but what if we’re not? What if, then, he wants out of Toronto just as quickly as he wants out of KC? What if he’s not even willing to sign an extension? The way I see it right now, as much as I would love to see him in Toronto, it more than likely won’t happen.
maybe we are on his no trade list cause
he wants to get some leverage and sign a bigger contract
or
he doesn’t wanna play in AL EAST , as we know that yanks, red sox, jays are on his no trade list of 15 teams , maybe there is tampa too
the team that are not are rangers, braves etc etc
idk what to make of it but the package they are suggesting is way to high , even without we been on his NTC
I personally think the Rangers and Reds are best fit. And I’m willing to be he goes to one of those teams…
There was a great article about how there has been a lot of talk about a Ryan Braun for Greinke straight up…
I talked to Robert Ford today and he thinks that Zack Greinke is worth a lot more than Braun and I talked to someone else who thinks the complete opposite. Well I agree with the ladder but I do think the trade makes sense.
I agree, Ryan Braun is worth more than Zach Grienke right now. Anyone have any idea what was up with Grienke’s decline in strike outs last year?
came back down to earth after his flukey season? not saying hes bad ,hes very good, but hes probably more in between his best season and this last season.
Yeah, it probably is just as simple as that. His velocity looks like it was fine.
Good question. Consensus was that a lot of AL Central players learned to lay off his slider (his out pitch, mostly), and let it go out of the zone.
change of catchers; buck and olivio surely helped out
Pretty sure Braun has more value than Grienke. He’s got a sweet contract and that makes no sense anyways. You improve one part and create a major hole in the other part.
I think that’s a good trade for the Royals though. But they will have a major hole at their pitching staff.
It’s too bad Grienke doesn’t want to stay because in a couple of years, Royals may turn into a pretty good team.
Yeah, but Braun is a horrid defender. Kind of makes sense
Yeah, as a KC fan I’d do Greinke for Braun in less time than it takes Jarrod Dyson to run from home to first.
Greinke/Gordon for Braun seems more realistic, if the Brewers would be okay assuming not only Zack’s contract, but also whatever Gordon will get in arbitration.
that’s a horrible trade the Royal would want a lot more then Braun completely lopsided trade, throw in Gomez, and Fielder with Braun for Greinke that’s a fair trade they want good talent for Greinke not a fluke player whose also a cheater..if they do that the Royals should ship Ryan Rodgers off to the the minors..(yes i said Ryan Rodgers because he looks identical to Aaron Braun QB for the Fudgepackers..not too mention they are both equally and easily the ugliest ppl in the world
Latter, not Ladder. Unless you are talking to and agreeing with ladders, then carry on.
I like Jeffress and Lawrie going to KC a lot better than Braun… Throw in Hart or Gamel too, those guys are replaceable, but not Braun.
I like Jeffress and Lawrie going to KC a lot better than Braun… Throw in Hart or Gamel too, those guys are replaceable, but not Braun.
I’m wondering if he would go to the Orioles
Don’t do it AA, our farm systen is just starting to be decent again!! Don’t rape it by trading away, Drabek, Snider, or any of our young stud catchers! This guy is NOT worth it, considering how he has the mental problem of not being able to pitch in tense situations
Greinke has ‘the mental problem of not being able to pitch in tense situations’? That’s news to me. Perhaps what you meant to say is that he suffers from social anxiety, which in no way affects his performance on the mound.
Greinke is a stud, he’d add more wins to the Jays’ bottom line, reduce bullpen use, and would surely improve the pitching around him as everybody would drop a notch in the rotation.
If you can deal for a guy like Greinke, you do it, and you pay a substantial price. The Jays have a massive surplus of pitchers and catchers, but yes, the “Snider element” is definitely a thinker.
I wish there could be a way to keep Drabek and Snider and deal away some other specs… Possibly along the lines of a Stewart + Perez or D’Naurd (forget how to spell his name, the catcher who came in the Doc deal) + Chad Jenkins or Deck McGuire (PTBNL) + Thames?
The Jays currently have Drabek, Stewart, Litsch, Richmond, Rzepczynski, and possibly even McGowan fighting for the *fifth* spot in the rotation. And that is completely discounting the young lads making their way up, many of whom are very highly-rated (Sanchez, McGuire, Wojciechowski etc).
And then you have Arencibia, D’Arnaud, Jiminez, Perez in the catching pool! It’s ridiculous. The Jays can definitely afford to shed a bunch of those players for a mega-ace like Greinke. No need to short-change the Royals; the Jays have enough seeds in the system.
But Snider though. Hmmm. Still fear we’d be selling way too early on him, and creating a hole which should be locked up for years.
Question, what specs would it take from the Jays to get Grienke AND Gordon? Realistically?
Deck McGuire cannot be a PTBNL until February because he didn’t sign until the August deadline.
And that’s why he’ll never win a Cy Young, oh wait…
if the royals trade grienke a lot of fans will be pissed and they will suck even more until someone becomes their true ace
Actually, the complete opposite. I am a huge Royals fan and I’ve spoken to a lot of Royals fans who are actually really excited to see Greinke move on because of what the Royals would be getting return…Plus you think about the system that they already have, nothing but good things are going to happen in KC starting in June/July of this coming season. The mindset is, “If Greinke wants to get out then we don’t want him…Were going to get several top prospects anyway.” And rightfully so, the Royals are in a perfect win win situation with Greinke.
Your comment does not represent the majority of the Royals fan base. Just FYI. Many Royals fans barely know who is on the team and the few they do know (i.e. Grenke), they would be pissed if traded. However, the general consensus is that the Royals will always suck because, “It’s the Royals” or “until there’s a salary cap…Yankee’s” or “they always trade their good players”.
The Cubs will give the Royals Zambrano … no trading just take him.. even though the Royals need an ace instead of a headcase
I’d love for Grienke to come to Detroit, especially if we can move him for pitching prospects only (and not Turner unless it’s just Turner and scrap). Not only would we get a sick talent but we wouldn’t need to face him and lose 3+ times a year. I don’t know if KC will deal in their division but Grienke can’t be overwhelmingly anti-Detroit if he likes KC.
You put Grienke behind Verlander and we’d have an amazing 1-2 and a decent 1-4. Just need a LHP as a #5 and keep Coke ready as #6 when an injury comes along (so we’d have some lefties that aren’t just LOOGY types).
Yeah, there is no way KC is trading Greinke within the division. Out of all the fans that want Greinke to come to their team, this has to be the least likely. Waste of a post and waste of an aspiration.
And yours throughout this entire feed haven’t been? Wow…look who’s talking.
Seriously dude? People are entitled to opinions and while they are opposed to trading within a division, I’m sure they would consider it but it would take a massive overpayment.
There is no guarantee it won’t happen.
What’s with you putting down everybody?
Now you know how I felt after last night! haha…….Very put down.
Drop the attitude, pal. You’re making us Jays fans look bad.
I agree completely that Grienke would look great in the Motor City. Although I’d hate to say that Turner would probably just be the start. It would probably have to be something like Turner, Oliver, and a guy like Furbish, because when dealing an ace to a team within the division that the Tigers easily can afford and would have team control over for a couple seasons, not just one, the price is going to be steep.
Keep dreaming!
Braves could use him.
Now it’s
Lowe
Hudson
Hanson
Jurrjens
Beachy/Minor
Jurrjens was out with injuries last year and never was good when he was here. So trade him for utility infield help, put greinke in the rotation, move Minor/Beachy to the bullpen. Or even put Beachy in a package with Jurjens and get someone worth it.
It should be
Greinke
Hudson
Lowe
Hanson
Beachy/Minor
Jurrjens was never good? Are you out of your mind?
I meant in 2010. Due to his injuries. Well, he had a couple of god starts but I would be apprehensive with bringing him back to the rotation.
Key phrase being “due to his injuries.” Before 2010, Jurrjens has been the Braves best and most consistent pitcher. He could’ve easily been a 20 game winner in ’09 if he gotten more run support. If he’s healthy (and I see no reason why he shouldn’t be), he’s going to continue to put up good numbers.
And I cannot understand why some Braves fans are so eager to up and trade him.
I’d rather have Jurrjens than Grienke. He’s younger and cheaper.
He’s also a Boras client (which, in Braves terms, means he’s gone once he hits FA). He also isn’t nearly as good as Greinke and the injuries mean he doesn’t pitch as many innings as Greinke.
If the Braves can manage to free up the cash to land Greinke without giving up Teheran, then I’d be all for it.
No, that was in John Schuerholz terms. Frank Wren has no problem dealing with Boras. But if that’s the case, then Hanson is gone too because he’s also a Boras client.Jurrjens is cheaper than Grienke. The Braves are already tight on cash, there’s no point in going after Grienke.
No, that was in John Schuerholz terms. Frank Wren has no problem dealing with Boras. But if that’s the case, then Hanson is gone too because he’s also a Boras client.Jurrjens is cheaper than Grienke. The Braves are already tight on cash, there’s no point in going after Grienke.
They’re onlt tight on cash because Kawakami, McClouth, and Chipper all have bad contracts. I’m not saying trade any of these guys, but that means we can resign either uggla or Greinke at the end of next season when all of those contracts are over, and Chipper retires. Hopefully retires..
Uggla is actually a downgrade. He will be more of a bust the Bradley was for the Cubs
Gheez one down year and throwing him out? I would gladly take him on the Yankees any day of the week.
In our GM’s eyes, he’s a trade chip. That’s why his name was mentioned. I would love to hav e Jurrjens but right now it seems as though he will be traded.
Wren has NEVER mention JJ in trade talks. (at least, not publically) All of this “TRADE JURRJENS FOR BLAH BLAH” is from fans.
Yes he has. He has expressed that either him or Lowe “can be traded” but not “need”.
I think that was either Mark Bowman or Dave O’Brien speculating that one could be traded. Wren has tried to trade Lowe, but he has never publically said that he would trade JJ.
Why would Bowman put Jurrjens on that “can be traded” list if Wren didn’t say it publicly?
Maybe Theo can get in on this! We have few prospects that could be good:
kelly
rizzo
fuentes
ptbnl
then we offer a lousy contract. Trade doesnt work out and then we send him back!
aaaggggghhhh I want to cry!
Hahaha i would hate to be a Red Sox fan. Lol. Clearly trying to get the feeling back when it seemed you were about to get AGon lmaooo
You know the old saying three strikes your out!
As a Royals fan I feel soooooooooooo bad for you!
Haha I know man! Your time will come. Your farm system from what i know is very good so a few years the royals will be back in business!
Contrary to the report that the Jays feel that they’re one big piece away from contention, they really aren’t. The Jays badly need OBP and a revamped bullpen. Take those with Drabek as your 5th starter and things look better than a beastly starting 5 and no OBP again.
Yeah, I think that was an overstatement by Elliot.
They are a legit leadoff, an ace and perhaps a solid catcher away from contention IMO.
Bullpen shouldn’t be that hard to revamp. It’s got some good pieces and there are always good bullpen arms around.
I’m sorry, I meant anxiety disorder, I personally just don’t think he’s worth Drabek AND Snider, what’s to say when and IF we trade for him that he doesn’t bolt after his contract is up?
Since when were the Braves listed as potential suitors? They need bats, not arms.
if you have a chance to get a pitcher like Zack Greinke for a good price i don’t think you can pass it up. it doesn’t change their focus on getting another bat.
if you have a chance to get a pitcher like Zack Greinke for a good price i don’t think you can pass it up. it doesn’t change their focus on getting another bat.
The more I think about it, the more I want Frank Wren to make a play for Greinke.
Atlanta would be the perfect spot for him. Winning team, yet low pressure, pitching rich environment but could use an ace.
The Royals and Braves have a history of making trades.
(Minor or Beachy), Delgado, Bethancourt, Mycal Jones?
Atlanta would fit him well, but the Rangers seem like they can or will offer the best package to KC’s liking. Who knows, never say never.
I think Atlanta is where Zack wants to go. He was a fan of theirs growing up, and has said before he’d love to be in the NL because he would love to hit. Couple that with the fact you mentioned above about the history of the Braves and Royals making trades, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s where he ends up.
I truly think Minor, Delgado, and another prospect would get it done. Braves would have an even more stacked rotation, and keep Teheran. Royals can put Minor into the rotation this season, and Delgado would be the RHP prospect to come along with all their LHP prospects (Lamb, Montgomery, Duffy, Dwyer). This really does make too much sense.
I like the Nats to get Grienke, send Storen, Desmond, and one other player. This will put the Nats in contention when they the train comes back.
Stop. Just stop. That’s like me saying I’d like the Blue Jays to trade Zach Stewart and Yunel Escobar for Greinke. I would like that, very much. Doesn’t mean it has a remote chance in hell of actually happening.
I hope the Jays get rid of Escobar. Period. Grienke doesn’t even have to be involved in a deal.
…why?
lolwut?
Wtf? This has to be the dumbest / confusing post I’ve ever read on this site. Yunel is already an amazing player with a HUGE ceiling. WTF are you talking about? LOL
You’re right. I must be overreacting. Afterall, Escobar did have a magnificent year in his age 27 year. Plus his great attitude and lack of hustle that alienated him from a 2010 playoff team in the Atlanta Braves.
Escobar’s HUGE ceiling going forward – at age 28 – man, I’m just waiting with baited breath to see his contribution to a team that is playing for nothing, as usual, in the 2011 Toronto Blue Jays.
PS – Go eat a McRib
escobar hurt the braves so much with his attitude that the braves players gave a-gon a standing ovation when he came to his first team meetings. i’m glad he’s gone
that would be a steal
assuming there’s an extension
I’m not a fan of either team, but I think both the Jays and the Nats have the peices to get Grienke. The question is how bad do they want him!
Stop. Just stop. That’s like me saying I’d like the Blue Jays to trade Zach Stewart and Yunel Escobar for Greinke. I would like that, very much. Doesn’t mean it has a remote chance in hell of actually happening.
If the Rangers are not the favorites for Greinke, Nats would make sense too, the NL East is going to be a very good one in upcoming seasons and they have the prospects to offer and a oppurtunity to acquire an ace why not go for it?. Just not sure if what you suggested would get a deal done though.
The best destination for Zach Greinke is the Minnesota Twins. They have the prospects to make it happen, money to take on contract, and it is a great place to play for him. There is absolutely no pressure because the fans love you whether you win or lose. Mediocrity is the culture. I also don’t care that it was reported the Royals won’t trade him to a team in the A.L. Central. If the right players/prospects are offered in a trade they would trade him to Japan if they could. Greinke loves Minnesota and the Twins are not on his no trade list.
The Royals have said they won’t trade within the division!
The Royals have said they won’t trade within the division!
“Greinke loves Minnesota” and how do we know this?
“Greinke loves Minnesota” and how do we know this?
I would give up my Royals gear if he was moved in the division!
lol
Too bad the Royals were pretty explicit about NEVER EVER trading him in their own division.
The best destination for Zach Greinke is the Minnesota Twins. They have the prospects to make it happen, money to take on contract, and it is a great place to play for him. There is absolutely no pressure because the fans love you whether you win or lose. Mediocrity is the culture. I also don’t care that it was reported the Royals won’t trade him to a team in the A.L. Central. If the right players/prospects are offered in a trade they would trade him to Japan if they could. Greinke loves Minnesota and the Twins are not on his no trade list.
This is a great trade for the Nats! I give Lerner all the credit for opening up his wallet,most MLB owners wouldn’t do that. Now lets make a deal for Grienke, send Storen,Desmond, and another prospect.
This is a great trade for the Nats! I give Lerner all the credit for opening up his wallet,most MLB owners wouldn’t do that. Now lets make a deal for Grienke, send Storen,Desmond, and another prospect.
Hey Royals, Sox will trade you Anthony Rizzo, Casey Kellie, and Fuentes and a Player to be named later for Greinke.
That was already said… and the only one I would want out of that group is Kelly…
Wasn’t Serious.
So, why trade Halladay then turn around and trade for Greinke less than a year later? Salaries are about $6.5 million difference, that’s a lot, especially for a team like the Jays who have to try and compete with NY and Boston with less money, but if they weren’t willing to spend on Halladay why would they spend AND trade prospects for Greinke?
They would have given Halladay any amount of money he wanted, but Doc wanted to leave.
They traded Halladay because he had told them he wasn’t going to re-sign after his contract was up. Greinke is also six years younger. Not that complicated. I too would rather see the Jays go after a big bat than a big arm – if the prices are similar (and maybe they aren’t), Justin Upton makes far more sense for Toronto than Greinke does.
Does anyone listen?, Halladay wanted to leave for the bizillionth time this has been discussed.
jays trade = stewart, rzep, mills, marcum or cecil, mastroianni or sierra. can also see the likes or ray or roenicke – drabek, snider, gose, wouldnt be in play. doubt the jays create a hole with snider being in the mix. drabek is their halladay jewel and gose is still far off that i cant see kc wanting him over arms. they’ll even toss in litsch for free
thats a lot
re tar ded.
Braves get
-Zack Greinke
Royals get
-A red foam tomahawk
-A book titled “Braves to Royals” that showcases every former Brave that went to the Royals
-A liberty media bumper sticker with their slogan “who are the Braves?”
-A Choptalk subscription
-Randall Delgado
Get it done Wren
Grienke and Beltre are going to be interesting moves in the up and comming days!
I think the Rangers have more pull on keeping Lee. He for one loves it there, two they are a much better team then the Yankees and last if he did go to NY it would his 5th team in less then 2 season.. I wouldn’t want to move that much. I say he stays in Tex. and they pursue Greinke anyway.. they have the prospects and money for both
People keep talking about different team getting Greinke, I think there are 2 perfect fits for him and then everyone else.
Texas- Good prospects to get the deal done not in the same division and also not an aggressive media market so Greinke would be comfortable and welcomed.
Atlanta- Basically the same situation as Texas, except with Better Pitching prospects. Also Jurrjens could be involved in the deal and give KC a TOR starter to replace Greinke.
That wouldn’t make sense. Keep Jair and use him as a trade chip for infield help. KC would want prospects for Greinke.
I kind of want Greinke to end up in NYY or BOS just so he can prove to the critics that he can haddle it…plus I really want a young lead off hitter… NYY has Gardner and BOS has Ellsbury either one would do…
That’s the thing. NEITHER OF THEM NEED GREINKE. The Yankees go after anyone that has good seasons and have to bench starters. It’s really stupid how the Yankees are actually trying to go for Lee. They already have good starters. That’s why I hope Lee goes to Texas. Cause Greinke has a no trade clause to most NL East teams including Yankees, Red Sox and Blue Jays. Yankees do not need him.
I dont care about the NTC; Greinke already said he is willing to pitch in big markets…and to say neither of the teams needs Greinke well they might not but I am sure they would love to him…
Royals fan here. I’ve watched every Greinke start since he took the bump against Oakland in ’04, have his framed SI Cover displayed proudly above my toilet, and consider him one of my all-time favorite Royals. That being said, he wants to be traded, should be traded, and will be traded. His best season came in 2009 when everyone thought the Royals were contenders following their great April. The Royals fell flat last year, and DM gutted this team. Who wouldn’t want to be traded after that?
I have nothing but respect for Zack for his desire to leave, because right now he just doesn’t fit in with the scope of this team. The smart business decision is to capitalize on the fact that we have a bona fide ace on a club-friendly contract available in a market where the second best free agent pitcher was Jorge De La Friggin’ Rosa. But you best believe it will take a king’s ransom for Greinke. His peripheral stats were still excellent last year, his ERA was inflated by a woeful defense, and his wins and losses were skewered by a terrible offense.
And to people that question my city’s fanbase. Shove it. We’re a proud group of fans that support both of our teams through good times and bad. The Chiefs are making noise, and soon the Royals will as well. Let the decade of Kansas City begin!
AA getting a team’s MVP on a down year seems to be his style. Did it when he acquired Yunel Escobar from Atlanta. I remember AA professing after the Escobar deal that these types of players are only availabe during/after an off year and it is best to strike when given a chance.
My sense is AA is working the Greinke trade very hadr.
As far as I’m concerned, Morrow could be as good as Greinke. I don’t see why you’d bother. I loved Marcum. He grew into a real leader and was a bulldog on the mound. But now the Jays have effectively opened up another spot for a talented young starter to seize the reins and grow in the fifth spot, or for Litsch to take a rotation spot back if he’s in decent health. He has been more effective than people give him credit for.
Jays have (not necessarily in this order):
Morrow
Romero
Cecil
Drabek
Rzepczynski
Litsch
Z. Stewart
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Wild card / bonus if anything happens with:
D. McGowan
Scott Richmond
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Depth arms for spot start:
Brad Mills
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Prospects:
D.McGuire – close to ready, many think he’s in the rotation this year. He slots as a #3, looks great at #5
Asher Wojciechowski
Aaron Sanchez
Chad Jenkins
Again, I know, lots of these guys are young, but the Jays haven’t made one pitching addition – and you know they will – and they still look promising. They might miss what Marcum gives them but I think they’ll be buoyed by Drabek’s fire, and the top 3 have lots of room to grow. I’d skip selling the farm for Greinke.
Deck McGuire is nowhere near close to ready, and I don’t believe that anyone thinks he’ll be in the rotation this year. He was just drafted last season!