Derek Jeter is almost certainly going to re-sign with the Yankees this offseason, but the Bronx Bombers aren't going to hand their shortstop a blank check. Yankees managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner told Michael Kay on 1050 ESPN that a deal between Jeter and the team would have to work for both sides (Click here to listen in). Steinbrenner says doesn't assume negotiations with the franchise icon will go smoothly.
“There’s always the possibility that things could get messy,” Steinbrenner said.
The Yankees don't expect talks to get ugly and they have been in contact with Jeter's representatives because they want to reach a deal.
“We absolutely want him back. We absolutely want [free agent closer Mariano Rivera] back. They’re career Yankees,” Steinbrenner said. “But having said that, we’re running a business here. So if there’s a deal to be done, it’s going to be a deal that both sides are happy with.”
Steinbrenner said the team's payroll will remain at a similar level in 2011. The Yankees entered the 2010 season with a payroll over $200MM, so they will presumably have the means to offer Cliff Lee, Jeter and Rivera generous deals.
I wonder how the Tigers will do with Jeter at shortstop next year… 🙂
Sorry, Jeter has said he hates the Tigers.
lighten up
he’s the yankee troll of this site. just don’t feed him and he’ll tire himself out
where did you here that from ?? do you have a link. he wouldn’t hate the tigers he grew up in MI so he is a tigers fan
I live in Florida. I’ve grown up here. I’m not a Rays fan.
How does growing up somewhere make you a fan of that team?
if jeter grew up in florida he wouldnt be a rays fan either
Because they became a team after he was drafted?
LOL ! 🙂
i hope the wankees sign jeter for ten years
Hows that Vernon Wells contract going for the Jays?
hows kei igawa been doing
He ain’t on the team so I can care less how he does in AAA. No doubt a waste of money though.
how has aj burnett been going
Enjoying his World Series ring, as are the rest of the 09 Yankees.
It’s about the only thing Burnett can enjoy these days, the past.
Burnett had one bad season, granted it was a really bad season, and everyone is jumping ship. People shouldn’t give up on this guy. He played a big role in 09 and will come back from his 2010 season (Im not saying he going to be a #2 starter, or even live up to his contract though). All he needs to do is develop a third pitch, which he can throw consistently for strikes to get people off his fastball. He keeps fooling around with a change up in spring training, maybe this time he should actually use it and do himself a favor. If he can stop being so stubborn and listen to his pitching coach he should have a decent year.
Im sure he is also enjoying his 5.26 era 15 losses and $16.5 million.
Same for Beckett with his 5.78 ERA and $12 million
I wonder if either of these 2 former teammates can bounce back to what they are capable of being.
did you get one too?
someone needs to break it to them and tell them that it isn’t 09 anymore.
He’s done more for the Yankees than Jeremy Bondermon has done for the Tigers who makes only a couple of million less than Burnett (I assume you’re a Tigers fan cause I read your profile and see you posted on many Tiger stories)
It’s justifiable for AJ Burnett to make 80mm because he won one game, Jeremy Bonderman had one win and 2 quality starts in the post season, so he was worth 240mm by Yankee standards
When did I say AJ was worth the money? Tell me where.
whereee do you get the balls to look at my girl. tell me where, i want to know where
lol
yeah i am a tigers fan. but bonderman had a couple year stretch were he was good for the tigers. what has burnett been doing for the yankees. nothing
He has only had 1 good year his entire career which was in 2006. His ERA every year in his career but 2006 (and 2008 if you count his 12 starts) has been 4.57 ERA or worse. His career ERA is 4.89
Burnett career ERA with the Yankees 4.61, oh and a WS too.
He had a better year than Jeter, actually.
Can’t argue that. Nontheless, both overpaid. Although I wouldn’t call either one overrated much. UZR shows neitehr are good at fielding.
pretty smug comment from someone who supports a team that has had the most overpriced crash and burn signings in the last 10-15 years. I am sure a list could be generated that would support the idea
Will you show me where I said they do not?
A Tiger fan said Burnett is overpaid, I agreed. I said to a Tiger fan that Bonderman is overpaid, apparently he didn’t agree. If you think Bonderman is worth $12 million, you can take him for that.
Not once did I say the Yankees don’t overpay players.
actually not so bad he hit 31 homers this year, and posted an .845 ops, a hell of a lot better than jeter’s .710, not to mention he still plays passable defense
Since when does OPS determine who the best hitters are? Ichiro had an OPS OF .754 which was 36th in the AL. Does that mean 35 players above him had better years?
Define passable defense if you don’t mind. I don’t know if you’re a big fan of UZR, but it has Wells listed as the 4th worst CF in baseball at it. On the plus side, he didn’t have any errors all year.
ichiro is a game changer on the base paths, jeter is not. so that argument doesn’t really fly. also defensive metrics are way too erratic for me to take them too seriously just yet. I agree wells is no longer elite in the field but he doesn’t humiliate himself either
“ichiro is a game changer on the base paths, jeter is not. so that argument doesn’t really fly.”
Except that’s nothing compared to what you said originally
“posted an .845 ops, a hell of a lot better than jeter’s .710”
Actually Jeter did have 18 steals which is above league average of 12. and was only caught 5 times for a 78% stolen base rate, better than the average of 72%
Of course I know Ichiro is much faster, but Jeter has above average speed.
Also, coincidentally, both of them at their position were ranked 9th in WAR, although for total WAR, Vernon’s was higher.
Still not sure why we’re saying who’s better overall. Yeah Wells had the better year in 2010, but we shall see what happens in 2011. Overall I still think when healthy, they’re both “Pretty Pretty Pretty good” ballplayers, but neither are my top choice at their position
Wouldn’t that be great—tie up more money for a group of aging players. Its a good thing they have the most money in baseball because I think they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They have a group of older-ish players and are almost forced to sign them because of who they are and their long standing connection to the team
The yanks are prob more concerned with years rather then numbers.. i’m sure they’d do a 2/35 for jeter but would cringe at a 3/45, or 4/60
Typical comments from these three^
Good podcast. Good intelligent owner. Covered a lot. Thanks for posting.
Jeter has made $205 million as a Yankee. How much of a pay cut would he consider not an insult?
The Yankees owe Derek Jeter NOTHING besides market value next year, his contract should reflect that. Any team that pays an aging player who’s regressing based on what he used to make or what he did in the past deserves what they get stuck with. Jeter has done a lot of good things for the Yankees…… AND he’s been paid handsomely for it, so as of right now both sides are equal. Anyone who thinks the Yankees need to pay Jeter more than market because of who he is and what he’s done need to tell Jeter to give back some of the nearly $23 million he made in 2010 because he wasn’t worth it. How about calling that $23 million his “payment” for who he is and basing his next contract on common sense. Don’t get me wrong, I like Jeter well enough, I’m not a Yankee hater either, in fact I usually find myself defending them, I just find it ridiculous that some people want the Yankees to give him a blank check. They do no owe him anything, in fact, he’s made a hell of a lot more money as a Yankee than he would have anywhere else, so perhaps the Yankees are the ones who are “owed” something.
/off soapbox
First off, I agree with everything you said. That being said, Jeter is worth a lot in marketing sense, probably more than anyone else in baseball, and I am sure Jeter and his agent realize this. It might not be unreasonable for him to want some of this reflected in his contract. He will end up getting far more than he is worth in a playing sense but it is probably really hard to peg his true value.
At the age of 37, Posada got a 4 yr deal to take him to the age of 40. At the age of 39, MO got a three year deal to take him to the age of 41. At 33, A-Rod got a 10 year deal to take him to the age of 42. Jeter will start the ’11 season at the age of 36. Wouldn’t you think he would be looking for 5 years minimum to take him to the age of 40?
Why would Jeter take a kick in the face with a 2/35m deal? I would think his agent will start with 5/90m….and go from there.
Lol… it would be absolutely epic if Yankees signed Jeter to a 5yr/90 mil contract.
His agent will look at Jeter as a career 70.4 WAR player, all for the Yankees and a 7.1 WAR player in ’09. This is where Hank thinks it will get “messy”. If the FO wants to reduce the years down to 3, the agent will want them to pay through the nose. Three years only gets Jeter to the age of 38. If that’s all Jeter wants to play, then it won’t be a problem but Jeter has a lot of records to break and may want to play till he’s 41….it may get “messy”.
Only if you’re chipping in . You didn’t hear what Steinbenner said, did you?
3yr 36mm is fair and much more than he can get anywhere else …. Oh and a position change has to be talked about
Where would you have him play? 3b is taken by Arod and 2b is taken by Cano
catcher? can’t be any worse the posada defensively.
A) Posada is top 10 one of the best offensive C in history.(.277/.377/.479 w/ 261 hrs) B) He was coming off an incredibly good year @ .338/.426/.543 w/ 20 hrs. C) Mo was, and still is, the best closer in the game. In 2007 he had an off year but the Yanks were clearly w/o a better option. D) Arod was a deal that Cashman wanted no part of. He stated if Arod opted out then he was done as a Yankee. It was the Tampa faction that negotiated that deal with Arod. E) 2/35 isn’t realistic but neither is 5/$90.
I’m sure the Yanks have had the conversation with Jeter that he simply can not expect to be the SS for long if he doesn’t turn things around.
If Jeter is getting married next week and gets busy having a family, he may want to still be playing ball when his kids could see him play. Maybe he’s too late for that train of thought but it may be in the back of Jeter’s head. And if the FO paid Posada till he’s 40, MO till he’s 41, and A-Rod till he’s 42, Jeter may want to be in that age neighborhood on this contract. The guarantee in years may be more important to Jeter than the $$/yr. And yes, he will need to move to left field one day and that may turn out to be sooner rather than later. Somehow, no matter how “messy” Hal and Hank help make it, they still get it done before pitchers and catchers report.
If Jeter wants his future kids to see him play he is better off dropping $29.99 for the 1996-2000 World Series box set than playing into his 40s.
They’ll get it done before Thanksgiving. I would be shocked if it takes more than 2 weeks to get done.
Jeter had a down year by his standards, but as far as the league is concerned he still was one of the better shortstops. And there isn’t anyone else available at the moment who would be better or even close to his level of production.
So, Jeter is going to be around for a few years. Plus, we don’t really know if he is truly “declining”. Players have off years and usually don’t just fall of of a cliff. Let’s see what happens in 2011 first.
Tough to see $35m as a kick in the face, especially when it’s more than anyone else would pay. What would Jeter get on the open market? 24m over 3 years? 30M at best?
It is a kick in the face when compared to Posada’s 4 yr deal at the age of 37. Jeter’s 36. I’m just saying, his agent will fight for more years. The years may be more important than the $$/yr. Just looking from the agents point of view. No other team will get him as big payday as the NYY. They need each other.
Compare Posada’s 2007 year to Jeter’s 2010 year. That’s what Jeter and his agent need to look at, and when it gets right down to it, no matter how much of a god Jeter is to the Yankees and NY, it wouldn’t be a kick in the face. Jeter is an icon. But it’s a crying shame how baseball has evolved into more of a business, not a game.
It’s not really an easy comparison. Posada’s previous contract paid him an avg of $10 mil per. For a C who posted a line of .280/.390 w/ 30 dbls and 23 hrs (2002-2007) and played decent defense (30% CS rate) that was probably slightly below market for a guy who was a top 5 offensive catcher. In his walk year he had his finest season at .338/.426 w/ 20 hrs. He cashed in and for a nice little raise of 4/$52. Jeter in compaison has been the highest paid SS during his last contract earning an avg of $18.9 mil per. Unlike Posada, he’s coming off his worst year ever. Posada had momentum and was “underpaid” whereas Jeter has ZERO momentum and has, purely by the numbers, been overpaid. Even if Jeter were a FA last year I couldn’t see the Yanks being justified to give him MORE money considering he earned $21 mil. If anything, maybe he would’ve gotten more years than what he’ll get now, but based on his 2010 numbers and his age I would hope he’s willing to accept less money. Maybe something like 3/$54.
Jeter does have an ego. Since the FO paid Mo, Posada, and A-Rod into their 40’s, Jeter will want the same respect. Also, with the new stadium, the organization has more money than ever before. He will want years, or more dollars for less years.
Just to see anyone else make an offer would make my day lol
You give a player a contract for what he can do, not for past accomplishments.
Even though Jeter is a current Yankee icon, future HOF and one of the best SS to play the game, he isn’t going to get paid something ridiculous because he’s had a fantastic career.
3 years, $35mil more front-loaded. $13/$13/$9.
His previous $189M contract was pretty ridiculous. You think they give him that if he didn’t help the team earn four championships in the previous years?
The Yankees are going to “overpay” and give him one year too many. And he deserves every penny of it for what he has meant to the franchise.
And that’s why in 2 years the Yankees will possibly be in shambles. They have the coin to toss around, but locking up so many players until they retire disables them from injecting any youth into their team. As they age, their production will decrease.
I’m not saying locking up Jeter for 3-4 years is a bad idea, but locking up Tex and A-Rod for as long as they did will hurt them soon enough. Burnett is already hurting them.
Tex’s deal ends at age 36. As long as he’s healthy he should be able to earn every penny of it. Not an issue. Burnett had a bad year not because of age or injury but because he couldn’t put things together. His stuff is just as nasty in 2010 as it was in 2008. The contract looks bad because of his 2010 performance and not his 2010 age. Pettiite is 4 years older than AJ and throws a FB 6 miles slower and yet he way out pitched AJ last year.
My point was $16.5mil doesn’t really equate to a 4.83 FIP. Neither did his 4.33 FIP in 2009.
Teix earned his contract in 2009 [most Yankees did], but not in 2010. Does $20.625mil equate to below-average defense [at 1B no less] and an .846 OPS? Nope. Even though his BABIP was about 30 points lower than his career norm, it still doesn’t justify him being overpaid.
Also, how hard you throw has nothing to do with anything. AJ may have the filthiest curveball in the game, but he’s still a slightly-above average pitcher who had a career year in 2008.
From what I heard, while I do follow UZR a little bit (not sure if that’s what you’re going by), UZR is not good to judge 1B. It doesn’t judge scoops, it doesn’t judge foul outs (whether they’re easy flies, long runs or over the stands or dugout) those are some key plays a 1B usually makes.
Also, I cannot stand FIP at all. There’s no way you can tell me that a pitcher shouldn’t be penalized for hits allowed except for HR. That’s almost saying every ball put in play is a playable ball. I’m more of a fan of ERA, WHIP, K/BB ratio and BAA
Dude, I’m so tired of having to defend against every absurd statement made towards the Yankees. On what planet using what proof was Tex a below average defender at 1B last year? Even using bill james bible (which I use half hearted for various reasons), Tex ranked 4th overall and 2nd in the AL behind Daric Barton. As for his offense, yes he had a down year, but he still had 33 hrs, a .365 OBP and was worth 3.5 WAR.
Also, please take the stats w/ a grain of salt. As much I love factual information when I see that Dunn scored a -3.1 UZR and Tex a -2.9 I just shut down and scratch my head dude. Really? Would anyone EVER put Dunn and Tex in the same class defensively @ 1B? Daric Baron (14.2) and Ike Davis (11.9) have double digit UZR ratings and no one else in THE AL OR NL have a UZR above 5.2 (Adam LaRoche). If you love at the various “bible ranking” and UZR ratings at various positions there are simply things that just make you scratch your head.
Which is why Hal will be a much better owner than George, though not as colorful. Hopefully things don’t get ugly in negotiatons. Jeter has got to take a paycut however, I think he should just choose 3-4 years, at which in the end of the deal he retires, and earns around $10M per.
I would offer him no more than $15 million a year. I hope Jeter isn’t greedy to ask for more just because A-Rod got a big contract
Even Cashman said he wanted no part of that A-Rod deal. George Steinbrenner(RIP)really should not have done that deal. I bet Cashman was pissed when he heard of it. But anyway, I believe Jeter is classy enough to take a paycut in his later years. When A-Rod was brought in, he didn’t want to move from SS, and I don’t blame him. He was in his prime, he was probably the best shortstop in the game, and he had been there practially his whole career. He’s no Chipper Jones but i’m sure he had his reasons.
George Steinbrenner DIDN’T do that deal. That one was mostly Hank from everything I’ve seen.
Also, Jeter wasn’t even close to the best shortstop in the game, that was A-Rod, the guy he refused to move over for.
I have no idea what Derek is going to get, but based on some of the comments in here, whatever it ends up being, it will make some of you guys nuts.
Does Hal know about the ‘intangibles’???
Figure they may go 3 yrswith 4th option based on numbers or just do outright 4yr deal but 3/40 or 4/50-60. I wouldn’t go more then 15 a yr he ison the decline .. he’s not going to change
positions though regardless of how he plays at short. From what it sounds like from Hal though they aren’t going to overpay him or give him anything near to what he is earning now.
Figure they may go 3 yrswith 4th option based on numbers or just do outright 4yr deal but 3/40 or 4/50-60. I wouldn’t go more then 15 a yr he ison the decline .. he’s not going to change
positions though regardless of how he plays at short. From what it sounds like from Hal though they aren’t going to overpay him or give him anything near to what he is earning now.
Its building time to find his replacement. They just drafted2 hs shortstops high in draft. Jeter will be around figure 4 more yrs with hopes one of those kids comes up big or is damn close by time jeter retires b ut expect incentives based on stat lines for career numbers.
As long as Jeter doesn’t get more than 3+ years, I’d consider it a win for the Yankees. No way Jeter goes year by year, he wouldn’t agree to two, so 3-4 years is likely the sweet spot. Really, anything more than 3 and you’re going past the useful baseball life of Jeets.
As for the $$$, I’d say surely less than what he is making now. I’d say, adjusted for the Yankees, $15M is fair to both sides though he’s likely to make more than that. It’s tricky because he’s the face of the organization and who else is going to replace him at SS?
It will be a busy offseason for yanks with jeter and mo plus going to look at bp arms and bench help. I think joba could be trade bait and im not so sure yanks sign lee. Cc and lee are good friends but lee liked his time in texas and its closer to his home plus the rangers are goong to want to show fan base there they want to stay as a top contender and nolan ryan is going to want to show he’ll pay as the new owner down there.
10 years, $100 million.
Perhaps if his agent was Scott Boras.
Why not give him incentives like Arod? 3000 hits, 3100, 3200, 3300, etc pay him a few million each. How bout 4y/56 mil front loaded 16m, 14m, 14m, 12m with 2 mil bonus for 3K hits and 1 mil for each 100 after that. Use the “savings” from his old contract each year to get other FA’s like Lee. If Jeter is a team player like everyone says he will take less to win. He already has more money then God, why would he get greedy and screw up his legacy?
Maybe the Mets will sign him and move Jose Reyes to 2B, to satisfy Jeter’s ego.
I have no clue what Jeter’s contract is going to look like, but one thing is certain. We’re going to learn a lot about who the real Derek Jeter is. If he’s as “perfect” as he’s made out to be expect a low contract, but maybe his ego is a lot more like ARods. Im really interested to see how this works out.
Jeter is done. The yankees will only be bidding against themselves because every other team knows he is finished
There is no market for Jeter. The Yanks are not bidding against anyone. There are ZERO ppl who expect Jeter to sign anywhere else. It’s all a matter of finding a number and years that everyone cna be happy with.
The interview by Hal Steinbrenner is a good one. He seems very practical and as a Yankee fan I am satisfied by the approach and vision he has for the team.
Hopefully he slaps Cashman and says “NO!” at the thought of trading Jesus Montero. That’s what I would do.
You high payroll teams floor me that you think you deserve a discount you have a history of overpaying to get what you want you don’t think jeters agent knows that? He holds the cards they let him walk they get destroyed in the media your thought that he owes you or that he is iconic is absolutly moronic this is a business he don’t care about you he cares about what company values his service the most he’s as loyal as you are with your place of employment show him the money or look like fools the grave is dug either sell the plot or bury your investment not that complicated people
Dude…not a single Yankee fan thinks that Jeter is WORTH more than $10 mil per. We all think he DESERVES to get paid more based on his iconic statud but consider these facts. We the fans are “thousandaires” who struggle to pay or bills and build a future for ourselves. If it becomes public knowledge by some “unidentified source” that the Yanks offered Jeter something along the lines of 4/$72 and we find out Jeter turned it down because he was insulted then who looks greedy? Jeter. Furthermore, no one else is going to give him $18 per so if he signs somewhere else then he would’ve taken millions less to sign w/ someone else. I guarantee you that as much as we love Jeter and as much as we would question the FO, Jeter will look like the bad guy a lot more than Cashman and the Yanks would. Jeter is a tremendous player who is the face of the franchize but he’s been overpaid for quite sometime. Yanks will continue to overpay but even then there’s a line they will have to draw.
And that’s why in 2 years the Yankees will possibly be in shambles. They have the coin to toss around, but locking up so many players until they retire disables them from injecting any youth into their team. As they age, their production will decrease.
I’m not saying locking up Jeter for 3-4 years is a bad idea, but locking up Tex and A-Rod for as long as they did will hurt them soon enough. Burnett is already hurting them.
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I disagree. Yanks have a lot of ppl that should either be retired or will have their contracts expire soon.
2011-Posada will probably retire at the end of season.
2012-Mo will probably sign a 2/$30 mil deal that ends in 2012. Swisher’s deal will be done at age 32.
2013-AJ contract will be done. Granderson’s deal will be completely done @ age 32. Cano’s contract will be completely done at age 30.
Cano will probably get an extension. So that’s C, Closer, RF, CF, LF (Gardner can be non-tendered whenever) and 2 starting positions (Pettitte and AJ’s) that will be open over the next 3 years. CC and Tex I’m not worried about as long as they are healthy. Their deals end at age 35-36 and they can be cut lose before they dramatically fall apart. Arod and Jeter are the only positions we need to worry about and I honestly feel like we can squeeze another 2 years out of each before some shifting needs to be done. Of course I’m being optomistic and hoping Arod’s hip won’t give out and that Jeter has enough pride to do whatever work needs to be done to have a “2009′ ish rebirth”.
I guess the reply button isn’t working again for some. Cano is turning into one of the top 3 2B in the game, along with Utley and whomever you decide to slide in there.
A-Rod is becoming a big problem. His offense is already declining, most likely due to injuries/age, and his 3B defense has never been great. If the Yanks really want to fix their dilema with their cash, move A-Rod to DH and sign Beltre for 3B.
Their biggest problem is in order for them to trade and sign the superstars at the rate they do it, their farm system is slowly getting tarnished. Eventually they’ll have to reboot the process, much like GM Gene Michael and manager Buck Showalter did to produce players such as Rivera, Jeter, Williams and Pettitte.
Yanks really haven’t signed any major players over the last 4 years. Think about it. They added CC, AJ and Tex in the winter of 2008. Nick Johnson was the only other signing. The rest were trades (Grandy, Swisher, Vazquez, Wood, Berkman). If you look at 2012 I don’t see a single FA the Yanks are going to go after. They might look at guys like Bautista, CJ Wilson or or Grady Sizemore (if avail) but I doubt any are “must haves” unless someone like Gardner or Hughes have serious regression.
You’re really not paying attention to the Yanks system. First off, signing Beltre and moving Arod to DH isn’t going to work. Posada needs to be moved off of C to DH and Montero will probably be a part of the 2011 team at some point. As long as Arod is healthy and can be rested 1 a week then he should be fine. Yanks have to figure out how to work Montero’s bat into the lineup to see what they have. The farm is loaded with pitching prospects @ the top two levels but we have only a few position prospects that are @ or above AA (Montero, Romine, Adams, Joseph, Nunez and Laird). That’s two C’s (Montero and ROmine), two 2B (Adams and Joseph), SS (Nunez) and a 3B/1B/OF (Laird). Nunez and Montero will probably get playing time in 2011. The two 2B will probably be trade bait because of Cano. Laird probably won’t get any PT. Our OF is relatively young (27-30). I think ppl are really overreacting about Arod. He had an off year but came back strong. I think he just needs to be rested and rededicate himself to correcting his swing.
“Yanks really haven’t signed any major players over the last 4 years. Think about it. They added CC, AJ and Tex in the winter of 2008. Nick Johnson was the only other signing. The rest were trades (Grandy, Swisher, Vazquez, Wood, Berkman).”
There are two problems that make this an absolutely ridiculous fallacy:
They added CC, AJ and Tex in the winter of 2008. Sure, that’s only three “major” players, but it’s also half a billion in salary in ONE offseason. I can’t think of another team that’s added half a billion in salary in the last three seasons.
The second is the trade thing. Those trades were ALL made as salary dumps, which is the reason the Yankees were in them. No other team could’ve absorbed all of those trades financially.
WHO THE HELL CARES HOW MUCH THEY SPENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1st-They didn’t spend half a billion in one winter!!!!!! The Yanks are the only team I ever hear this said about. They replaced about $80 mil coming off the books from 6 or 7 players and added 3 for about $70 mil per year.
2nd- The person I was replying to made a statement that the Yanks have a continued trend of signing major FA every single year. If you’re truthful about it, it’s not true. If you define “major FA” as a multi year deal of $25 mil or better for players NOT BEING RETAINED (Posada, Mo, etc) then who have they signed since 2007 other than CC, AJ and Tex? Am I stating something other than a fact when I say the Yanks haven’t haven’t signed many big money FA except for CC, AJ and Tex in the last few years?
Players coming from other teams (as opposed to Yanks who were extended).
Winter 2006-
Igawa (5/$20), Pettitte (1/$16)
Winter 2007-
Molina (2/$4)
Winter 2008-
CC, AJ and Tex
Winter 2009-
Nick Johnson (1/$5.75)
Nick Swisher was a true salary dump in that we gave up nothing. But his salary was 3/$20 and at least 20 teams could’ve easily absorbed that. Granderson was NOT a salary dump when you consider he had an off year and the Yanks gave up Austin Jackson (top 50 prospect) who was their #2 rated prospects, IPK (who was their 2006 1st rnd pick) and Phil Coke who was their #1 lefty out the pen. Javier Vazquez was a Cy Young candidate making 1/$11 mil and I would say ANY team could’ve afford to have him on a 1 year deal and while it was Atlanta’s motivatio to move money the Yanks gave up a blue chip prospect in Arodys Vizcaino.
A salary dump is usually defined as one where team A gives theam B their overpriced player for salary relief and team B gives team A back virtually nothing in return. That was not the case in either Grandy or Vazquez deals because all the prospects were highly rated PRIOR to the trade. There weren’t any “sleepers” in that deal at all.
So please, you’re more than welcome to make the 1,000,000,000,000th arguement about how much the Yankees spend but don’t add on examples that are not supportive of that and if you want to contradict what I said (that other than the winter of 2008 the Yanks haven’t signed any new FA to mega deals of late) then show facts.
“WHO THE HELL CARES HOW MUCH THEY SPENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ”
You. Just yesterday you said that Barry Zito is not a good fifth starter because he’s paid too much. Get your stuff straight, dude.
I’m gonna have to agree with Yanksfan… He just schooled you right there haha None of those trades were salary dumps. Looks like you need to get your stuff straight, dude.
Also you backed up a guy who said Cano is a below average 2nd baseman. All you have to do is watch the game of baseball regularly and know a little bit about it to know that Cano is most likely the best defensive 2nd baseman in the game. And if you don’t know the game, just watch MLB network and listen to how those guys talk about him. They absolutely love him.
All aboard the lolercoaster. Wow, impressively clueless.
Lolercoaster? whatever that means… I was a college player who got drafted and now I’m a high school coach and a hitting instructor, so I’m hardly clueless. I can tell you’re clueless by the way to talk. All this UZR stuff you’re talking about is a joke to MLB players and people. Nobody pays attention to it. You know why? Because they’re are too many variables in the game of baseball to put into a scientific formula. You know, one of the most difficult things for a baseball person to do is explain baseball to someone who doesn’t have a clue.
Dude…two seperate statements.
Yesterday the guy said that based on Zito’s stats he was a good 5th starter. If the Yanks had a rotation of CC, Hughes, Pettite, Joba and AJ and the first 4 all posted 180 IP + and an ERA and FIP under 4.00 and AJ went 200 IP and a ERA and FIP of 4.50 then I would be the 1st to say he was a HORRIBLE #5. WHy? He isn’t being PAID like a #5. That poster CALLED him a #5 because compared to Lincey, Cain, Sanchez and Bumgarner he was PERFORMING like a #5. Bumgarner was a #5…….NOT Zito. Zito is a #5 in defacto geting paid like a #1. BIG DIFFERENCE. A #5, moreso than anyother pitcher almost inherently has a financial value which is usually in line w/ expected performance. It’s usually an innings eater type (sort of like Garland most of his career), an aging veteran (Jamie Moyer type) or a rookie (like Hughes was in 2010). How they actually perform (Hughes pitched more like a #3 while AJ pitched more like a #5) is another story. Zito is a HORRIBLE #5, not because of his production, but because he’s getting paid $18 mil per for it. Easy to understand and I won’t even further debate that.
As far as the point I was making regarding the Yanks. The poster was saying the Yanks have done a poor job of infusing younger players and that their recent FA acquisitions were blocking the Yanks from doing what Cashman said was his intent. To gradually make the Yanks younger. He claimed that their CONTINUED PATTERN of SIGNING FA EVERY YEAR was the problem. The Yanks spent well in winter of 2008 reallocating the money from Giambi, Mussina, Pavano, Abreu, Farsnworth, etc and used it towards the big three. However, in terms of NEW players as opposed to players being retained, and solely based on players taken from other teams, the Yanks were not players in the market in 2006, 2007 and 2009. The purpose is not to make it sound like the Yanks DON’T spend big money to FA but to address the concept that the Yanks were signing the biggest and the best EVERY YEAR and not adding youth, when in fact Gardner, Hughes, Joba, Cervelli, Coke, Robertson, CC, Granderson and Swisher are all players that were younger than 30 when acquired and replaced players that were well into their mid 30’s (Damon, Matsui, Mussina, Abreu, Pavano, Molina, Farnsworth, etc). And most of their veteran acquisitions were short term (N. Johnson, Vazquez, Pettitte, Thames, Winn, etc).
“Get your stuff straight, dude.”
You need to heed your own advice.
Check and mate to TFS78.
Give him 2 yrs/24 mil and call it a day.
i hate the yankees as much as the next guy, but the people calling cano below average are insane. .. definitely my favourite player to watch on the yanks, not to mention probably the best swing in baseball.
Jeter is 36 and Rivera is 41. Just what are they looking for? Any more than a year or two is a real gamble–at what these guys want. I never felt Jeter was all that great. No power or speed. He has just been one of the best at a weak position. As for Rivera, I don’t know how he does it. He doesn’t throw smoke. His stuff doesn’t look nasty. You got me, how he does it.
Yeah Jeter is terrible… He is just gonna have well over 3000 hits when his career is done… Guys like Tony Gwynn, Lou Brock, Craig Biggio, and Ty Cobb are terrible too. He also has 234 HR and 323 SB. Not to shabby for a guy with “No power or speed.”
Dude, I will be the 1st to admit that Jeter, at no point in his career, has ever been mistaken for Ozzie Smith. However, he has had decent range for most of his career and has been surehanded. Offensively the guy has avg’d .314/.385/.452 w/ 15 hrs and 20 SB lifetime . He’s easily been the best all around SS in the last 15 years. You can certainly make the claim there have been better defensive SS in the last 15 years (Vizquel, Arod, Larkin, Ordonez) and better offensive SS (Arod, Nomar, etc) but not many that have combined both and for so long.
7th in bat avg among active players (only SS)
13th in obp ” ” ” ” ” (only SS)
1st in hits
3 years, 60 million.
He’ll be overpaid and everyone knows it.
Years served, championships won.
Thanks for playing.
Cano vs MLB 2B.
2nd in innings (24 less than #1).
1st in total chances w/ 776 (31 more than #2 Uggla)
1st in put outs w/ 341 (9 more than #2 Weeks)
1st in assists w/ 432 (13 more than #2 Phillips)
1st in DP w/ 114 (4 more than #2 Figgins)
Tied 1st in fewest errors (3) among 2B w/ 700 innings or more (he played in 1,393 and the other player, Phillips, played in 1,311 innings).
I don’t agree with UZR and WZR/150 rating but let’s take a look at UZR since that’s more scientific.
UZR (ultimate zone rating): The number of runs above or below average a fielder is in both range runs (RngR), outfield arm runs (ARM), double play runs (DPR) and error runs combined (ERR).
ARM (outfield arm runs): Outfielder’s get credit (plus or minus) depending on what the runners do on a hit or a fly ball out. A runner can stay put, advance, or get thrown out. A fielder will get credit not only if he throws out more than his share of runners, but also if he keeps more than his share of runners from advancing extra bases.
-Does not apply to IF.
DPR (double play runs): The number of runs above or below average a fielder is, based on the number double plays versus the number forces at second they get, as compared to an average fielder at that position, given the speed and location of the ball and the handedness of the batter.
-Utley ranked #1 @ 2.0 and Cano #4 @ 1.3.
-Arguement. Cano ranked #1 in baseball at DP w/ 114. If the comparison is between the # of DP’s vs the # of forced outs @ 2B then isn’t that sort of subjective and relys largely on the 3B, SS and 1B getting the ball to the 2B if he is the pivot man on the play? So isn’t that blaming Cano for the inability of Jeter or Arod to get the ball to him in time for him to then relay to 1st? All year long ppl have lauded Cano for having one of the quickest, strongest and most accurate releases on his throws to 1st. I would say Cano ranked 4th in this category DESPITE avg or below avg defensive counterparts at 3B and SS.
RngR (range runs): The number of runs above or below average a fielder is, determined by how the fielder is able to get to balls hit in his vicinity.
-Hudson ranked 1st @ 9.6 and Utley 2nd @ 9.2. Cano ranked 18th in this category @
-7.5. This relates to how many balls a player got to. Let’s compare Hudson to Cano.
Cano played about 300 more innings tha Hudson. Cano had about 1.8 chances per inning compared to Hudson’s 1.7 (Innings/TO). Cano converted 44% of those total chances into putouts compared to Hudson’s 40% (PO/TO). Cano had 773 combined assists and put outs to Hudson’s 629. If you create a ratio of PO and Assists per error then Cano was at 1:258 and Hudson was 1:78.
-Arguement- Cano got to more batted balls than Hudson. He converted more plays into outs than Hudson. He committed fewer errors per converted and assisted outs than Hudson. Yet, Hudson has a rating of 9.6 and Cano a -7.5. I don’t get it? Either Cano is getting some absurdly amount of balls hit directly at him or the formula they use for this stat is greatly flawed.
ErrR (error runs): The number of runs above or below average a fielder is, determined by the number of errors he makes as compared to an average fielder at that position given the same distribution of balls in play.
Cano led all 2B in this category @ 5.6 which was signifigantly higher than Utley @ -0.8 and Hudson @ 2.3.
-Arguement. Really there is none. Cano played the most innings @ 2B and had the fewest errors @ 3.
UZR/150 (ultimate zone rate per 150 games): The number of runs above or below average a fielder is, per 150 defensive games.
-Correct me if I’m wrong but this is more of an observation than it is a mathematic stat.
So I guess the arguement is that Utley and Hudson have ASTRONOMICALY better range than Cano despite the numbers showing that he gets to more balls (or handles more) and converts more of those balls into outs.
I just don’t agree at all with UZR rating, or at least not with regards to IF play. Maybe UZR is more closer to being relevant to OF because there’s more area to cover and more time to react to playing shallow or too deep and speed = more range with OF’ers. I don’t usually pay attention to announcers but every single game I watched, every single announcer and analyst has said, and ever stat that I provided shows that Cano was an above average 2B last year, at least a top 3 guy defensively.
You sir, are doing work.