It's a winter of turbulence for the Yankees' core four. Here's the latest on the kind of interest two longtime Yankees might draw from other teams:
- Mariano Rivera will have many teams looking to pry him away from the Bronx if negotiations with the Yankees sour, according to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News.
- John Harper of the New York Daily News writes that Derek Jeter would look hypocritical if he left the Yankees over a financial dispute after years of saying winning matters more than anything.
- MLB executives tell George A. King III of the New York Post that they firmly believe Jeter will re-sign with the Yankees. One person pointed out that Jeter needs the Red Sox to bid on him, but cautioned that Boston won’t likely get involved. An AL official named the Orioles, Nationals, Cardinals and Giants as teams that could have interest in the shortstop.
The Orioles, Nationals, Cardinals and Giants need a shortstop, at this point Jeter doesn’t really qualify.
but he’s a gold glover!!
I”m sure they’d take Jeter at a fair price over Aybar if he was available. (For next year, not in the long run)
Not accepting the PREMIUM offer the Yankees have already laid on the table is pure ego. That or a MLBPA orchestrated effort to force all salaries up by encouraging players to hold out for ridiculous sums.
Buck and Benoit didn’t exactly have to hold out, I don’t think the MLBPA has much to do with this
He’s really showing his true colors: GREEN
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Darn, couldn’t do it!
Darn, couldn’t do it!
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The question isn’t how much jeter is worth as a ballplayer, but rather how much is jeter worth to the Yankees? Imagine the Yankees as just another business…a business that grew into a financial powerhouse with jeter effectively serving as the public face of the team during their astronomical rise. Both Jeter and Rivera can reasonably argue that their exceptionalism on and off the field have played a huge part in generating the Yankees $441 million in revenue in 2009. It doesn’t matter how much the giants are willing to pay jeter, if it could mean that the Yankees could stand to lose $30 million in revenue by alienating their fans.
Im only throwing out those numbers as hypotheticals, but the larger point is that a win for the Yankees is worth more than for any other team in baseball, by far, just by virtue of their location and legacy (which, in turn, might’ve been caused by their location). The players who helped contribute to that legacy should be doing their utmost to reap the benefits of their location.
That said I think $15 mil/year is fair. I could see him getting $10 mil/year onthe open market, and I think that is a fair markup for the yanks to pay.
The main problem with what you’re saying is that Jeter already helped make the Yankees brand, as it stands today. 15 years ago, you could say that Jeter is about to make the Yankees billions of dollars, so they should be paying him an exorbitant amount of money. The problem is that the Yankees don’t need Derek Jeter anymore to make money. Their brand is far bigger than him. The Yankees aren’t about to pay Bernie Williams for his previous service, or David Wells, or El Duque. They all have similar claims about making the Yankees tons of money.
It’s all about what Jeter can make the Yankees in the future and the problem for Jeter is that he just isn’t as relevant as he used to be, in the grand scheme. The Yanks won their 5 titles, became a world wide brand, have a TV network, etc. etc. etc. and if Jeter leaves none of that will change. Unfortunately for Jeter, this isn’t a business where Jeter go to Yankee management and say “But I made you all this money, so please pay me more.” The best he can hope for (which he’ll probably get), is a lifetime service contract when he retires to promote the brand, make appearances in ST, etc.
The question isn’t how much jeter is worth as a ballplayer, but rather how much is jeter worth to the Yankees? Imagine the Yankees as just another business…a business that grew into a financial powerhouse with jeter effectively serving as the public face of the team during their astronomical rise. Both Jeter and Rivera can reasonably argue that their exceptionalism on and off the field have played a huge part in generating the Yankees $441 million in revenue in 2009. It doesn’t matter how much the giants are willing to pay jeter, if it could mean that the Yankees could stand to lose $30 million in revenue by alienating their fans.
Im only throwing out those numbers as hypotheticals, but the larger point is that a win for the Yankees is worth more than for any other team in baseball, by far, just by virtue of their location and legacy (which, in turn, might’ve been caused by their location). The players who helped contribute to that legacy should be doing their utmost to reap the benefits of their location.
That said I think $15 mil/year is fair. I could see him getting $10 mil/year onthe open market, and I think that is a fair markup for the yanks to pay.
If the yankees somehow screwed up the negotiations with Jeter and Rivera, they would lose so much value. Imagine Nunez at short, and Joba closing things out. It would be doubtful to make it to the playoffs, they’d have no shot at the world series.
I just don’t see why other teams would be bidding on him, that would help Jeter and the Yankees.
They can make the yankees spend more money, so in the future they have 5 million or so less. That’s all I can come up with. And of course if they actually think they can pry Jeter out of NY.
Yeah true and good point, but in the end it would be just helping Jeter remain a Yankee. Maybe he wants to be a Pirate.
Jeter wants to remain a yankee, the yankees want him, every team knows that. If he wants to be a pirate, it woulda happened by now.
he was a pirate for halloween .
he was a pirate for halloween .
I’m pretty sure they would still be one of the top teams in the league probably still top 3 in the AL. Oh, and it is doubtful that Joba would be closing. They would still have a 3, 4, and 5 consisting of Tex, Arod, and Cano. That alone is enough to make them a contender. Trust me, as a Jays fan, part of their success stems from the depth of talent throughout the roster.
Jeter definitely didn’t help their march to the postseason last year, and a closer doesn’t make or break your teams postseason hopes.
Let’s ask Padre fans that about the 2007 1 game playoff with the Rockies.
Yes, let’s bring out one random anecdotal reference to try to prove a point.
Why don’t you ask a Yankees fan (like me) how important the greatest closer of all time was in 2001 or 2004? Singlehandedly cost the Yanks two World Series. What does that tell you? Yeah, that’s right. It tells us nothing except that he cost us two World Series. I guess we shouldn’t have let him be our closer for those playoff series, huh?
If you think this statement, “a closer doesn’t make or break your teams postseason hopes”, is true, then you obviously don’t watch much baseball. Did you also fail to read the part where he said MAKE? It’s hard to count how many times Rivera has helped the team out in the postseason. If you think the Yankees would have won 5 World Series the past 15 years Without Rivera, then again, you don’t watch much baseball.
Point is, closers are extremely important. Sure their main stat, Saves, are overrated, but to say hopes don’t rely on a closer, with all due respect alphabet, is just ignorant.
Rivera has helped the Yankees many times in the postseason. But are you gonna sit there and tell me that whoever his replacement would have been would not have been able to close out those playoffs games? We’re talking about the Yankees. If they didn’t have Rivera, they would have signed the best closer available. The closer (or combination of closers) likely would have been able to save the games necessary to win the 5 World Series titles the Yankees won with Rivera (only 4 of which he was the closer for.)
Rivera is the best closer there has ever been. No doubt about it. But closers are failed starting pitchers and only pitch 1 inning. The Yankees would have found someone to get them those other 4 WS rings that Rivera was closing for. (And who knows, maybe another closer wouldn’t have been distracted by Dave Roberts dancing off of first base in 2004.)
Rivera has helped the Yankees many times in the postseason. But are you gonna sit there and tell me that whoever his replacement would have been would not have been able to close out those playoffs games? We’re talking about the Yankees. If they didn’t have Rivera, they would have signed the best closer available. The closer (or combination of closers) likely would have been able to save the games necessary to win the 5 World Series titles the Yankees won with Rivera (only 4 of which he was the closer for.)
Rivera is the best closer there has ever been. No doubt about it. But closers are failed starting pitchers and only pitch 1 inning. The Yankees would have found someone to get them those other 4 WS rings that Rivera was closing for. (And who knows, maybe another closer wouldn’t have been distracted by Dave Roberts dancing off of first base in 2004.)
“But are you gonna sit there and tell me that whoever his replacement would have been would not have been able to close out those playoffs games?”………No but name me another reliever who has been or you think will be as efficient as Rivera for a long time? I don’t expect any pitcher, at least in my lifetime, again to have an 0.71 ERA in 100+ innings pitched in the postseason. Only 2 pitchers have thrown over 100 innings in the postseason and have ERA’s under 1, Rivera and Christy Mathewson (Note, Mathewson threw less innings and had a slightly higher ERA)
People have said for many years, this player is the next Mariano Rivera. It was said about Gagne, it was said about K-Rod, it was said about Papelbon.
And you might want to think about that “Only pitch 1 inning”, especially in the playoffs, for Rivera. 31 of his 42 postseason saves have been multiple innings. And he has more 2.0 inning saves (13) than 1.0 inning saves. (11)
(And who knows, maybe another closer wouldn’t have been distracted by Dave Roberts dancing off of first base in 2004.) . I still get pissed that no pitch out was thrown on the first pitch. Oh by the way , Torre I heard blamed Rivera more than anyone for throwing to first base a few times before he threw the first pitch (which in my mind should have been a pitch out).
A closer in general can be overrated, but don’t say they are not important and do not make a difference.
So you agree with me. Mariano Rivera, despite being the best closer of all-time, probably did not make much of a difference over whoever his replacement would have been during the Yankees championship years. If the Yankees had Gagne, or K-Rod, or Papelbon, or Wagner, they would have still won likely won those 5 championships (and maybe even two more.) And I bet that they could have thrown more than one inning if they needed to.
And just because you (and I) are pissed off about what happened in 2004 with Dave Roberts, that doesn’t change anything. Closers ARE vastly overrated. The replacement for Rivera would perform far closer to Rivera than, say, A-Rod’s replacement would perform relative to A-Rod. Closers are put on a pedestal when, in reality, their job is to simply get 3 outs. Starting pitchers jobs are to try to get 18-27 outs.
No I do not agree. I said I agree the closers role is more overrated than it used to be, but to think “another player” as you say, would have matched what Rivera does and won 5 championships for them (in the steroid era), is at least in my mind, not true at all. Yeah he wasn’t the closer in 96 but he was the best set up man far and away, after all he got 3rd place in the Cy Young voting that year.
So you’re saying Gagne, K-Rod, Papelbon and Wagner would have helped win them possibly 7 championshps then?
As I said, the point I’m making is, do not say a closers performance can’t make a difference
I’m saying Rivera is basically 4 for 6 in WS win opportunities. That’s 66%. Yes, I do think that Papelbon, Wagner, Gagne, or someone else likely would have gotten Yankees those 4 World Series rings as a closer.
Hypothetically, if the Wagner was the closer in ’99 and blew it, maybe he wouldn’t have blown in ’01 or ’04.
You’re making it seem as though every single closer other than Mariano Rivera is incapable of being a closer on a World Series winning team. If Rivera was 100% in the postseason, it might be a different story, but again, he’s only at 66% percent as a closer (in terms of WS wins.) He is not infallible, even if you want to believe he is. There are other closers who could and would have gotten the same results as Rivera. The Yankees wouldn’t have thrown Boone Logan out there to close games.
2 dumb assessments. First of all, Rivera blew Game 4 (And game 5 although I blame Tom Gordon for that). Rivera may have lost game 7 in the WS but the Yankees played like crap that whole series and I don’t blame Rivera one bit for the series loss. They would have probably been the 2nd worst team to the 1960 Pirates to win the WS.
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You’re making it seem as though every single closer other than Mariano Rivera is incapable of being a closer on a World Series winning team”
No, that is incorrect. It’s You that is making it seem that closers are not important.
“There are other closers who could and would have gotten the same results as Rivera”…..Name 1.
Any good closer. I’m not saying the Yankees would have employed 1 closer for 15 years, but they could have utilized a combination of the best closers in baseball and those pitchers could have saved 4 WS titles too.
You might not blame Rivera for losing to the Diamondbacks, but if he had gotten out Luis Gonzalez the Yankees would have another WS title, plain and simple. If he hadn’t have let Dave Roberts annoy him, the Yankees would have even ANOTHER WS title (in all likelihood.)
You make it seem as though the Yankees would have 0 WS titles without Rivera throwing at the end of the game. Do you think that Gagne, or Papelbon, or Wagner, or K-Rod, or whoever would have blown the 7 opportunities to win the WS the Yankees have had in the Rivera years? As it happened, the BEST CLOSER OF ALL TIME could only nail down 5 of 7. I’m saying I think the Yankees likely would have employed pitchers that would have given them similar results considering how little impact a single relief pitcher has an a teams season.
Total Saves in postseason/Total postseason blown savesRivera – 42/5K-Rod/Gagne/Papelbon/Wagner combined – 13/5
Never said they would have 0 titles, but you’re acting as if he was a non factor in each and every time they won (and lost)
Teams won 95.5% of their ninth-inning leads in 2010. Teams won 95.5% of their ninth-inning leads in 1952.
– Joe Posnaski
So when there was no such thing as a closer, the 9th inning was no different than when people started going ga-ga for flamethrowers and the “save.” Just because blowhards in the media pretend that the save matters, or that the 9th inning is harder to pitch in than the 8th, or 7th, or 6th, doesn’t mean it is. It’s still 3 outs like any other inning.
The difference between 95% and 100% is huge.
Going into September, the Yankees were 70-0 when leading after 8 innings. I think they finished 80-2 if I’m not mistaken.
80-2 isn’t 100% last time I checked. (And cherry-picking one year from one team is about as unscientific as it gets.) Mariano Rivera, as we thoroughly discussed, isn’t 100 percent. Before people cared about closers, and Rivera, and saves, the 9th inning was no harder to pitch in than it currently is. Then people started making a big deal out of closers, saying how awesome some (like Rivera) are and how some manage to blow games all the time (like Benitez, or Brad Lidge, etc.) But then when you go and look at that stat you realize it’s actually just a bunch of sports reporters blabbering on about nothing because the 9th inning hasn’t changed at all in 50 years. Inventing “closers” and putting them in the 9th inning hasn’t helped teams hold down leads any better than whatever teams did in the 50s (presumably leave in their starting pitcher?) It’s all made up by silly baseball reporters with nothing better to do than revere some and revile others.
Total Saves in postseason/Total postseason blown savesRivera – 42/5K-Rod/Gagne/Papelbon/Wagner combined – 13/5
Never said they would have 0 titles, but you’re acting as if he was a non factor in each and every time they won (and lost)
And none of this even touches on the how ridiculous the notion of closers are to begin with. The 9th inning is no different than any other inning. There are still 3 outs. Your best relief pitchers should pitch against the opposing teams best batters (ie. in the highest leverage situations.) If Pedroia, Youk, and Ortiz were up in the 8th inning and Jed Lowrie, Jason Varitek, and Josh Reddick were up in the 9th inning, it makes more sense to have your best pitcher throw against their best batters. Who gives a shit about a “save”? You put your best players out against their best players. That’s why all of this closer talk is nonsense to begin with.
“But are you gonna sit there and tell me that whoever his replacement would have been would not have been able to close out those playoffs games?”………No but name me another reliever who has been or you think will be as efficient as Rivera for a long time? I don’t expect any pitcher, at least in my lifetime, again to have an 0.71 ERA in 100+ innings pitched in the postseason. Only 2 pitchers have thrown over 100 innings in the postseason and have ERA’s under 1, Rivera and Christy Mathewson (Note, Mathewson threw less innings and had a slightly higher ERA)
People have said for many years, this player is the next Mariano Rivera. It was said about Gagne, it was said about K-Rod, it was said about Papelbon.
And you might want to think about that “Only pitch 1 inning”, especially in the playoffs, for Rivera. 31 of his 42 postseason saves have been multiple innings. And he has more 2.0 inning saves (13) than 1.0 inning saves. (11)
(And who knows, maybe another closer wouldn’t have been distracted by Dave Roberts dancing off of first base in 2004.) . I still get pissed that no pitch out was thrown on the first pitch. Oh by the way , Torre I heard blamed Rivera more than anyone for throwing to first base a few times before he threw the first pitch (which in my mind should have been a pitch out).
A closer in general can be overrated, but don’t say they are not important and do not make a difference.
Yes, let’s bring out one random anecdotal reference to try to prove a point.
Why don’t you ask a Yankees fan (like me) how important the greatest closer of all time was in 2001 or 2004? Singlehandedly cost the Yanks two World Series. What does that tell you? Yeah, that’s right. It tells us nothing except that he cost us two World Series. I guess we shouldn’t have let him be our closer for those playoff series, huh?
i know its probably his ego, but over the years the yankees has spent billions why cant they just pay what he wants? he has said winning is everything but truly would you wanna play for less than you are worth?
Because he’s not even worth the 3/45 that he’s currently being offered.
AJ Burnett isn’t worth $80 million but the Yankees didn’t hesitate to give it to him. I hope Jeter comes to the Red Sox, even if he is washed up (I’m not sold that he is, but even if he is) I hope Boston makes a big bid on him and he comes to the other side of the rivalry. That would be the single greatest FU move in sports history.
Except AJ Burnett was not coming off a “Down year” when the Yankees got him. Had Jeter been a free agent after last offseason, or had Jeter put up a similar year last year, I don’t think there’s any doubt the offer would be higher.
Except AJ Burnett was not coming off a “Down year” when the Yankees got him. Had Jeter been a free agent after last offseason, or had Jeter put up a similar year last year, I don’t think there’s any doubt the offer would be higher.
Eh, I’ll still take the 5 rings he helped us get. You can have him. If he wants to completely ruin his legacy, let him.
It’s not like the Yankees aren’t used to having icy relationships with their former heroes (Yogi, Torre, Bernie.)
Eh, I’ll still take the 5 rings he helped us get. You can have him. If he wants to completely ruin his legacy, let him.
It’s not like the Yankees aren’t used to having icy relationships with their former heroes (Yogi, Torre, Bernie.)
Oh, and just for reference:
AJ Burnett: 1770.0 IP, 3.99 ERA, 3.80 xFIP, 8.23 K/9, 3.78 K/BB
John Lackey: 1716.0 IP, 3.89 ERA, 4.04 xFIP, 7.12 K/9, 2.69 K/BB
AJ Burnett: 5yr/$82.5mil
John Lackey: 5yr/$82.5mil
The only difference in the contracts? The Red Sox should have learned from the Yankees and they don’t have as much money to waste.
I never said the Lackey signing was a good one. I was simply pointing out that it’s hilarious how the Cashman hands out huge deals to questionable pitchers like Burnett (but if we want to sit around making fun of contracts each of our teams have taken on, I’ll also bring up Pavano, Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Kei Igawa, and the $140 million they are willing to spend on Cliff Lee) but he nickel and dimes the guy who is undoubtedly the face of the franchise.
Is it nice to see Cashman try and make a shrewd business decision for once? Sure. But why would he be unwilling to give Jeter the contract he wants after all he’s done for the franchise when he’s willing to drop so much cash on free agents who, aside from a few very notable exceptions, usually come in and either underperform or spend most of their Yankees tenure on the DL?
This is about leverage. The pitchers you are talking about had leverage and were being sought after by other teams, Jeter is older and has no leverage.
I never said the Lackey signing was a good one. I was simply pointing out that it’s hilarious how the Cashman hands out huge deals to questionable pitchers like Burnett (but if we want to sit around making fun of contracts each of our teams have taken on, I’ll also bring up Pavano, Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Kei Igawa, and the $140 million they are willing to spend on Cliff Lee) but he nickel and dimes the guy who is undoubtedly the face of the franchise.
Is it nice to see Cashman try and make a shrewd business decision for once? Sure. But why would he be unwilling to give Jeter the contract he wants after all he’s done for the franchise when he’s willing to drop so much cash on free agents who, aside from a few very notable exceptions, usually come in and either underperform or spend most of their Yankees tenure on the DL?
Hind sight is 20-20. All high salaries look bad after the fact. When Burnett was sign he was coming off a year when he was killing the Yanks and Sox. He has some of the best stuff in baseball, but like other pitchers his control or lack of it has made him mediocre. Pitchers are a crap shoot. You can count on one hand the number of pitchers that are good 5 years in a row.
Right, I see where you are coming from on Burnett’s contract year. But do you really think any sensible GM would sign a pitcher with an injury history like Burnett to a 5 year, $80 million dollar contract?
right now, Jeter is not worth the 15 million. If he had his 2009 year in 2010, we wouldn’t be discussing this matter right now. But he didn’t, he had a bad contract year, and has no leverage to try and negotiate higher. 15mil per year through 2013 isn’t a bad deal at all. Including his endorsements I dont’ see any reason why he shouldn’t take this deal, because we all know he won’t get much elsewhere. As for Rivera, just pay him what he wants, he’s the closer, those innings will take a lot less toll on your body, and he’ll still be a factor if the Yankees want to win.
The Yanks are giving him a third more than he’s worth right now. He will get 4/70
the yankees offered more money than he is worth. are you really not getting tired of his 1st pitch swinging and its a soft hit ball right to 2nd basemen. i think nunus would put up better numbers than jeter would right now, and play a better ss. dont get me wrong i want jeter to come back, but not at all cost. and im a huge yankee fan.
So you want an inferior offense and defensive shortstop, you want to pay him $15-$20 million dollars a year more, and you want this for at least 3 more years? Jeez. I’ll take Jeter, but only because I think he’ll have a better year next year than Nunez.
I wouldn’t know whether to laugh or cry if Nunez had a better year.
So you want an inferior offense and defensive shortstop, you want to pay him $15-$20 million dollars a year more, and you want this for at least 3 more years? Jeez. I’ll take Jeter, but only because I think he’ll have a better year next year than Nunez.
If Jeter had to leave the Yankees, I wouldn’t be opposed to him going to the Cardinals. Just for the love of everything holy, ixnay the edray oxsay.
These Jeter talks are endless.
Jeter, Lee, and Rivera, that’s all you’re going to hear about/read through Christmas. Remember the “Manny Ramirez saga”
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Jeter is the toast of New York. Jeter is New York. He wont leave and can’t leave. The more of these post I see the more convinced that this will end up like the Manny affair when he signed his two year deal because there isn’t a better deal out there and there never will. Any offer teams know will be shopped to the Yanks to be beat so it would be pointless.
Derek Jeter is delusional if he thinks there will be anything anywhere near what the Yankees are offering him out on the market. 3/$45 mil is about one more year and $25 mil more than any other team would dream of offering him and that is only again because it’s Jeter. Any other player with the year he just had and the sub-par defensive showing wouldn’t even get that much. I think it’s a brilliant move by the Yankees to tell Jeter to go out and play the market outside The Yankees and see what he comes up with. If that doesn’t wake him up then nothing will.
Yes I am a Red Sox fan but if Jeter were on my team then I would have no sympathy for him if he turned down that offer. He is already a bajillionare and doesn’t need any more money. If he wants to be a Yankee for life there has to be give and take and the Yankees I think are being fair. Jeter has to know that any more than 3 guaranteed years will cripple the Yankees, not financially but the on the field product will hurt.
A professional athlete being hypocritical about wanting to win over making money? Say it ain’t so
This is the dumbest offseason soap opera in a long time. It’s worse in New York because even legitimate newspapers are turning into tabloids. I mean the other day the sports page of my local paper read “TROUBLE IN THE BRONX: Yankees tell Jeter to start shopping around for other teams!”. Save that crap for the NY Post.
so dumb… can’t take it
baseballz, derek Jeter Is NOT New YOrk. The YANKEES are NEW YORK. ” THE TEAM” derek didnt go out there and got us all those world series rings by himself. THE TEAM DID . only kids think That way.
That is true most of the younger fans think jeter got the rings on most of his own excellence. He did not, he did not even become the face of the yanks until after maybe 2000 or 2001. There is a ZERO % chance Jeter leaves NY, STOP with the rumors its just not going to happen.
That is true most of the younger fans think jeter got the rings on most of his own excellence. He did not, he did not even become the face of the yanks until after maybe 2000 or 2001. There is a ZERO % chance Jeter leaves NY, STOP with the rumors its just not going to happen.
I heard the other day on my local radio station that Jeter may have interest in maybe playing for the Rays, if he has a possible ownership clause of some sort when he stops playing. Anybody else hear something like this?
As a yankees fan, i would hate to see Jeter go anywhere else, but I hope the yankees hold their offer at 3/45 because noone will offer more.
His dream is to own a team.. this would make a lot of sense..
Yeah, the owners of the Rays definitely are like “Let’s sign Derek Jeter in the midst of cutting payroll. You know what, let’s also throw in a chunk of the team to appease him.”
Besides the fact that this isn’t allowed under baseballs rules, this is probably the most insane thing I’ve ever heard. And don’t say “But he owns a house in Tampa!!!”
This reminds me of the time Jeter acted like a big baby after the ball hit the end of the bat!! Or how he & all of the Yankees manipulate the umpires & whine & whine after a called strike.
Every player in the league with a good head on their shoulders would have pulled that same stunt. You would have to be stupid not too to take a free base.
Sure, I’d take the free base. Prance around and act like a big sissy who just got a hammer laid on his finger shows his true character. If you saw any of his interviews as reporters asked him why the Yanks wouldn’t talk with him you could predict this drama was coming. He acts like the Yankees have never paid him before. He’s made close to a QUARTER of a BILLION dollars in his career. Get over yourself ya big greedy baby…he’s hung around A-Rod too long. Pre-Madona’s. Even Yankee fans don’t like his hypocritical belly-aching.
Even though A-Rod boned Madona, it’s actually primadona not “Pre-Madona.” I don’t think Jeter plans to be a pop singer.
I’d take the base. I’d make sure the umpires know I got hit by embellishing the act (whether or not I got hit.) And I’d probably try to get as much money as I could from the richest sports franchise in the country.
Every player in the league with a good head on their shoulders would have pulled that same stunt. You would have to be stupid not too to take a free base.
dumbest sports story ever
Brett Favre sent me a text message, saying he disagrees
Hope there were no pictures
Only of Jenn Sterger
Only of Jenn Sterger
Brett Favre sent me a text message, saying he disagrees
Yea, if you want to win, go to the Nationals… (Similar situation with the Orioles because of the division)Giants are too cheap/smart with money.And Cardinals… they might make an offer, but it would be less than 3 year/45 million…maybe 2 year/26 million, with a mutual option for 15 million with a 3 million buyout, or something of that nature
Mo will be breaking bats DEEP into his 40’s. give him 2 years because he is the best NOW, not just the best in the past!!
Mo will be breaking bats DEEP into his 40’s. give him 2 years because he is the best NOW, not just the best in the past!!
On top of all of this is that any team would signs Jeter would have to give up draft picks according to Jeter’s status (he must be type A right?) so just another reason why the Yanks offer is so good. Even if another team was willing to pay $15M they would effectively be paying out more than the Yanks.
About the intangible “B.S.”. Out of all the intangibles I’ve heard, remaining a Yankee benefits Jeter at least as much as the Yankee organization so let’s call that a wash and pay the man on likely performance — ie. $8M a year.
Jeter wasn’t offered arbitration so won’t cost any draft picks to sign him. He has $$ , he has rings, he is most likely a HOF’er not quite sure why he just doesn’t tell the yankees make it $18M per and sign the deal for 3 yrs. I don’t think there are any milestones he can reach that would come in years 4 or five so take the 3 yrs and if he still has anything in the tank sign another deal. Outside ( way way way super outside ) the box crazy thought – only team I can see him signing with other than the yankees is… the cubs. Win a world series with the cubs and he would be beloved by 2 cities ( even yankee fans would lose bitterness – c’mon its the cubs toss them a bone ). Castro to second then in 2012 when Aram is gone jeter to third, rookie asian SS who’se name escapes me and castro at 2b. That might be the excessive amount of turkey eaten in past few hours talking lol.
On top of all of this is that any team would signs Jeter would have to give up draft picks according to Jeter’s status (he must be type A right?) so just another reason why the Yanks offer is so good. Even if another team was willing to pay $15M they would effectively be paying out more than the Yanks.
About the intangible “B.S.”. Out of all the intangibles I’ve heard, remaining a Yankee benefits Jeter at least as much as the Yankee organization so let’s call that a wash and pay the man on likely performance — ie. $8M a year.
Wow, you’re right. They didn’t offer him arbitration. Wonder why not…very good chance that if he takes it they pay him WAY less than $18M over the three years as there’s a pretty good shot he has another bad (he is 36 or 37) year to lower his value even more.
What’s the best season by a shortstop at age 37 since 1990 (the “nutritiion” era)?
I’m pretty sure the arbitration process prevents your salary from getting lowered from the previous year.
I’d like to see your source on that. The rule is that you can’t take more than a 20% pay cut. So Jeter could go as low as ~$17M — which is still generous. Following a typical 37 year old year at the plate (or at that age DL) he’s in line for a further reduction to ~$14M and so on.
IMO, unless there is something seriously broken in arbitration, by offering arb the Yankees didn’t have much to lose but could gain in picks. Can arbitrators award Hanley a mere $7M and Jeter more than $17M? No.
I can see Rivera leaving NY. If it’s true the Yankees want to offer him 1 year, that is. Teams will gladly give him 2 or 3 years I believe.
And the Yankees probably will too…..
I can see Rivera leaving NY. If it’s true the Yankees want to offer him 1 year, that is. Teams will gladly give him 2 or 3 years I believe.
Monster55 is being very rude to everyone.
If the Angels said “we’ll pay you $15 million each for the next 5 yrs” if you agree to play 3b and let aybar stay at SS?.. wow.1) Aybar-SS2) Jeter-3b3) Hunter-CF4) Morales-1b5) Abreu-RF6) Crawford-LF7) Rivera-DH8) Napoli-C9) Kendrick-2b
I think the Angels are better off with Belte who is younger at a much cheaper price.