Troy Renck of the Denver Post shared a few Rockies-related items and opinions with his Twitter followers today. All links within quote marks are tweets unless noted otherwise…
- Renck feels it's "highly unlikely" that Jorge de la Rosa will re-sign with Colorado. As we heard last week, the Rockies aren't prepared to offer the free agent starter anything more than a three-year contract, and one of the many clubs interested in De La Rosa will offer him at least four years.
- Renck personally would have pursued De La Rosa had he been the Rockies GM, but he thinks the club should "shift toward" trading for Gavin Floyd and acquiring two of Kevin Kouzmanoff, Jose Lopez or Josh Willingham. Kouzmanoff and Lopez have drawn some interest from the Rockies already.
- The White Sox "like Ian Stewart," Renck said in regards to rumors from earlier in the week that Chicago and Colorado had at least discussed swapping the third baseman for Floyd. Stewart would give the Sox some left-handed pop, possibly in a third base platoon with Dayan Viciedo.
- Also noted in Renck's previous Twitter link was the fact that the Nationals "want pitching in every trade. Either big league pitching or guys who are close [to the majors]."
- Type A free agent Carl Pavano will turn 35 in January and would cost the Rockies a draft pick to sign him, but Renck feels Pavano is "worth the risk" if the Rockies can't get Floyd.
I can’t see the White Sox going for a package built around Floyd for Stewart. Floyd is a huge trading chip, and Stewart doesn’t fill any of the Sox’ direct needs (DH, 1B, C, RP). It doesn’t add up.
Personally, Ian Stewart and Isaiah Froneberger could pry away Gavin Floyd and Ricky Brooks in my opinion…I’d like to see Gavin Floyd in the NL…He is already extremely underrated…
Not a chance, Ian’s upside and 1.6 WAR, coupled with an erratic power arm(Froneberger) are NOT worth Floyd and his 4.3 WAR coupled with Brooks whom has excellent control and almost strikes out just as many hitters as Froney. Bad Span, bad!
3B is a pretty deep position for us with Morel, Viciedo, Teahen, Vizquel and Gilmore waiting in the wings.
Sorry dude. When you said bad span bad I pictured myself as a dog and I just did something bad and you were pointing your finger at me haha
i agree. this trade would have to involve several other moves; in a vacuum, it makes little sense.
I have a question to all Yankee fans: Is Pavano worth the risk?
If I have to watch Viciedo play third base my head will explode, I want Morel over there
Gavin Floyd and Brent morel for Ian Stewart and Jhoulys Chacin. Floyd for Stewart would be too risky and a low sell for the White sox.
Rockies aren’t trading Chacin at all, let alone in a deal like this. Makes no sense for them. Try again.
Bad trade for both teams.
You’ve clearly not watched the Rockies this past season. Chacin is 22 and had a very solid season for how young he is and how inexperienced he was. He has been named untouchable by the organization so there is zero chance of him even being involved in talks especially just for G. Floyd. No disrespect to Floyd, very solid pitcher but just wouldn’t happen.
Sept. 20 was Floyd’s last start of the season. He left in the 1st inning with shoulder discomfort. This may a reason the Sox are willing to part with him.
his arm is fine. your speculation is specious, even for mlbtr.
I said “shoulder” not “arm”. But I’m sure you have Floyd’s medical history from the White Sox medical staff on his shoulder also. An arrogant know-it-all like you always has all the answers.
so are you saying you do have a medical report on Floyd?
Per Chicago papers, Floyd had “recurring shoulder tightness”. A subsequent MRI showed “normal wear and tear”. Upon viewing the MRI, would Colorado, or any other team, assess this “normal wear and tear” as typical or problematic?
I mentioned it only as a potential red flag for a team contemplating such a major trade.
that a team eyeing a trade for Floyd would make sure he’s healthy is standard operating procedure. you threw it out there as ‘a reason the Sox are willing to part with him’; this is just idiotic.
I’ve seen enough of Morel to think he could put up a slash line equal to what Stewart has done, albeit as a RH hitter. Throw in his solid glove and I’d rather roll the dice with him vs. Stewart. If I have to see either Viciedo or Teahen play 3B next year I’ll puke. As for Floyd, young starters have value so shop him around before settling.
I’d rather the Rockies sign Garland than trade Stewart for Floyd. The draw about Stewart is not his current batting line, but rather he has a large amount of potential. I understand the Rockies are frustrated with Stewart’s lack of development into a star, but it’s too early to just give up on him, especially with a new voice in Lansford coming to the dugout. Value-wise, is a Stewart for Floyd trade fair? Absolutely, but the Rockies would give themselves a gaping hole at thirds without Stewart, because he is far better than the other options out there. I would rather the Rockies try every possible package involving Nelson as a centerpiece with pitching. At least if you get rid of Nelson the Rockies can go with Hudson at second for next season.
Gavin Floyd is only two years older than Stewart, has just as much potential as him, was just as highly regarded coming out of the minors, and has shown far more progress than Stewart to this point. I don’t think it would ever be too “early” to give up on him if you can get a guy like Floyd in return. As far as leaving a hole at 3rd, you still have Jonathan Herrera, who can play 3rd. The organization is very high on him, especially after his great performance filling in for Tulo in the middle of this past season. Sign Ty Wigginton as a backup or something. You also have Nolan Arenado, who is probably going to start next season at AAdv or AA at only age 20.
Agree. Pitching is premium in this game and very hard to get. Not saying that Stewart doesn’t have great potential but I think a Stewart for Floyd would be a great move for the Rockies.
I would definitely agree that pitching is premium and i feel as though if this could get done then the Rockies should pull the trigger BUT they would have to go and get another 3B in Wigginton or Kouzmanoff (Kouz being my preference). Relaying on a guy who will be 29 next year and has never established himself at the major league level in John Herrera or even plugging in a very young and not proven Chris Nelson in to play 3B would not be smart on the Rockies part.
True, but my point was that Stewart’s more valuable to the Rockies than to the White Sox. I agree with those saying Stewart shouldn’t be a target for the White Sox logically based off their depth at 3rd with Morel and Viceido, but if that’s true, then what does that say about any team’s views of Stewart’s potential?
Jon Herrera didn’t even OPS .700 last year. He’s a perfect middle infield backup, but should never be a starter at any position.
Herrera 1) doesn’t have the arm to play 3B and 2) doesn’t have the bat to play anywhere. As a Rockies fan I admire what he did last year but counting on him to be anything more than the 24th or 25th guy on the roster who will PR and get 100 PAs aor so all season is a terrible idea. We already have a huge hole at 2B- no need to make it worse by adding one at 3B. The staff isn’t nearly as big of a problem even if/when DLR leaves.
You’re probably right about the arm, but Herrera has always played very strong defense throughout his career at 2B and SS, the two toughest defensive positions on the field. And he HAS seen some significant time at 3B before. I don’t think defense would be too much of an issue. Offense is probably a more legitimate concern, but I think our “holes” are more significant at starting pitcher. It doesn’t look like DLR will be back, which leaves us with 3, 4, 5 spots in question given Cook and Francis’ inconsistencies. I’d rather have a hole at third than a gaping one at starting pitching.
I would also prefer them to sign Garland and keep Stewart. Stewart will turn 26 just after the start of next season and he’s already talled 54 HR and 181 RBI in 384 games. He needs to stop trying to pull every pitch that’s anywhere near the plate, but overall he’s pretty much middle of the pack in the NL at his position with room to grow. I have no problem seeing him hitting .270 with 25 HR next season.
Also, from a previous comment, Herrera is 25 years old, not 29. He’s the same age as EY, Jr. and is a much better hitter and defender. It would not bother me at all to see Herrera playing 2B and batting second (he hit .284 with a .352 OBP in 2010) next season. I know he doesn’t generate any power, but he draws enough walks and makes enough contact for my tastes.
They can’t trade Nelson anymore, either. Not with Barmes leaving. Nelson is all but guaranteed to make the 2011 roster as the backup in the middle infied.
My apologies on the Herrera comment, I had heard that he was 29 during the season somewhere and decided not to do a little research which i clearly should have done, my apologies again. I just knew he had been up and down through the passed couple spring trainings and couldn’t establish himself as a viable option anywhere in the infield.
I believe Herrera deserves a definite shot at being the everyday 2B but if Stewart is traded and Herrera is given a shot to play 3B, then the Rox are making a poor decision. The 2B situation is going to be very interesting come spring training next year.
Well, better any of Hererra/EYJ/Nelson at 2B than Barmes. I’m so glad he’s gone.
No worries, brp. I just became a fan of the way Herrera played when he was given a chance and hope that Jim Tracy doesn’t overly fall in love with EYJ’s speed to the point that he gets blinded by the rest of his game (or lack of).
I don’t think the Rockies need much offense out of whoever is at that spot, to be honest. A solid defender who is passable with the bat would suit me fine.
I couldn’t agree more. Herrera played great based on the circumstances and the expectations out of him. But as soon as EYJ came back, Herrera was shafted. I understand that EYJ deserved a chance to play and prove himself in the last month of the season as he did play well early before he went down with that stress facture in his tibia, i believe and I’m not sure if there is anyone faster in the Majors, when talking about 90 feet speed (batters box to 1b, 1b to 2b, etc) if that makes sense. But Herrera, in my eyes had the better overall game in 2010.
I also agree that the Rockies don’t need all that much offense out of the 2B position, but i would love to see 1 of these guys, who ever is the starter, hit .280 or at least have an OBP around .350 (Might be too much to ask) and could a be lock to slide into the 2 hole. It would give Tulo/Cargo a far better chance to drive in runs.
I couldn’t agree more. Herrera played great based on the circumstances and the expectations out of him. But as soon as EYJ came back, Herrera was shafted. I understand that EYJ deserved a chance to play and prove himself in the last month of the season as he did play well early before he went down with that stress facture in his tibia, i believe and I’m not sure if there is anyone faster in the Majors, when talking about 90 feet speed (batters box to 1b, 1b to 2b, etc) if that makes sense. But Herrera, in my eyes had the better overall game in 2010.
I also agree that the Rockies don’t need all that much offense out of the 2B position, but i would love to see 1 of these guys, who ever is the starter, hit .280 or at least have an OBP around .350 (Might be too much to ask) and could a be lock to slide into the 2 hole. It would give Tulo/Cargo a far better chance to drive in runs.
If all Kenny can get for Floyd is Stewart, hes not looking hard enough. Pitching is a far more valuable asset than infielders. Floyd would be a stud in the NL and unless KW can fill a real need, I wouldnt want to ship Gavin off.
Hopefully theres more to this proposed deal
Sox dont need a 3B, we have Morel, Viciedo, Teahean, Omar, Bacon can play 3B. they need a LH bat but also a RF.
I wonder what a fair return for Willingham would be from the Rockies?