2:54pm: The Padres have acquired Maybin from the Marlins, pending a physical, reports Tom Krasovic of Fanhouse (via Twitter).
2:09pm: Maybin will be traded and a deal with the Padres is getting close, a source tells Jeff Passan of Yahoo (via Twitter).
12:25am: The Marlins have also discussed Maybin with the Royals, according to Frisaro (Twitter link).
11:54am: The Padres and Marlins are discussing a trade involving Cameron Maybin, tweets MLB.com's Joe Frisaro. It is unclear who or if any other players are involved in the discussions.
Maybin, still just 23, has yet to establish himself in the big leagues after coming over in the Miguel Cabrera–Dontrelle Willis trade in December 2007. He's a .246/.313/.380 career hitter in 610 plate appearances, mostly with the Marlins. UZR loves his defense in center, rating him at +5.1 at the position for his career.
Maybin is out of options, so he will need to clear waivers to go to the minors starting next season. He does have four years of team control remaining, however. Florida traded Andrew Miller, the other key piece they received in the Cabrera-Willis deal, to the Red Sox yesterday.
That Miguel Cabrera trade sure worked out for the Marlins, didn’t it?
Badenhop is about to be the only player from the trade still on the Marlins.
Badenhop is about to be the only player from the trade still on the Marlins.
Wasn’t good…
Two trade ideas that come to mind…
Uggla for Heath Bell?
Cameron Maybin for Ernesto Frieri?
Cameron Maybin and Brad Hand for Heath Bell?
I would imagine the Marlins will be looking for a package of prospects in return for Uggla, even though they could use a closer.
I would imagine the Marlins will be looking for a package of prospects in return for Uggla, even though they could use a closer.
Uggla for Bell could go down, even Maybin and a Padre added
I think it would be Maybin plus prospect for Bell.
Well, we now know it’s not true but do you really think Maybin is worth that much?
I think it would be Maybin plus prospect for Bell.
Uggla for Bell could go down, even Maybin and a Padre added
Both of the Bell deals are awful for Florida. Maybin for Frieri could work out, though.
Both of the Bell deals are awful for Florida. Maybin for Frieri could work out, though.
What about Maybin for Durango?
For the record…
I think Brandon Gomes would be a spectacular addidtion for the Marlins…
Maybin for Gomes?
The Miggy trade is turning out to be one of the worst all time for the Marlins. Miggy is a perennial MVP type talent. While 1 of the center pieces coming back for him just got shipped up to Boston for the warm body that is Dustin Richardson. And now the other big piece could be on his way to SD.. Epic fail.
Side note, anyone think Maybin still has a chance to get it together in SD?
The Miggy trade is turning out to be one of the worst all time for the Marlins. Miggy is a perennial MVP type talent. While 1 of the center pieces coming back for him just got shipped up to Boston for the warm body that is Dustin Richardson. And now the other big piece could be on his way to SD.. Epic fail.
Side note, anyone think Maybin still has a chance to get it together in SD?
I know he shows flashes from time to time, and he has a nice glove, but it seems all but confirmed that Maybin can’t do much with major league pitching, and it’s a shame.
Didn’t you kind of just describe Tony Gwynn, Jr.? I don’t know what San Diego’s organizational depth is with pitching, but it seems like they are weakening one of their biggest strengths, the bullpen, for a marginal upgrade in CF.
I know he shows flashes from time to time, and he has a nice glove, but it seems all but confirmed that Maybin can’t do much with major league pitching, and it’s a shame.
I agree a little bit about the Cabrera trade, except they would have lost him to free agency by now anyway. The guy is owed $106 million over the next 5 years.
I agree a little bit about the Cabrera trade, except they would have lost him to free agency by now anyway. The guy is owed $106 million over the next 5 years.
Maybin is still young, will only be 24 next year. It isn’t time to label him as a complete bust yet. He also has good enough fielding and he’ll hit just enough to be kept on as a 4th or 5th OF at worst…at least as long as his fielding holds up.
Maybin is still young, will only be 24 next year. It isn’t time to label him as a complete bust yet. He also has good enough fielding and he’ll hit just enough to be kept on as a 4th or 5th OF at worst…at least as long as his fielding holds up.
Why trade for an outfielder who can’t hit? we have like 4 of those, and if defense is the argument, you can’t get a much better glove than Tony Gwynn Jr.
because if his cost is low (which it probably is) then its worth the risk that he might fulfill some of his offensive potential.Marginal Analysis. Learn it.
As I said, the team has it’s own options. Cunningham, Blanks, Gwynn Jr., Durango are among other cheap players that might “fulfill their offensive potential”.
But Maybin’s offensive potential is much greater than those you named.
But Maybin’s offensive potential is much greater than those you named.
I agree with you that they will have a number of outfielders. Remove Blanks name as he will move ot 1B after they trade Adrian. Maybin is a low cost risk. Andy maybe they have something else in the works where they will end up moving one of the OF’s.
Gwynn has no offensive potential. He’s 28 years old, he can’t pull the ball with authority, and he can’t get around on even an average fastball. He’s not even as fast as advertised, and he doesn’t take enough walks or bunt well enough to take advantage of the speed he does have. He’s a nice glove, but that’s all he’ll ever be. He’s never going to hit. Also, Gwynn had almost 2400 minor league at bats to develop offensive skills and never did. Generally in baseball, once you hit 28 you’re done developing.
Maybin is an entirely different beast. He’s had only 1600 minor league at bats (about a quarter of which came after he was first called to the bigs). The Tigers rushed him and didn’t allow him to develop. Then after the trade, The Marlins had to play him every day. He’s getting bounced from AAA to the majors every couple of months and has never been allowed to settle in. At 24, he still has time to figure it out.
Blanks will never play the OF again. The next time we’ll see him in San Diego is in late 2011 or early 2012 playing first base (after they trade Adrian). Cunningham is an interesting player, but will probably never hit for much power. Durango will never hit enough to play everyday in the majors. Anyone with a slightly above average FB can knock the bat out of his hands.
Maybin is a superior athlete to any of the guys you mentioned and is far more projectable than any of them, which is what scouts look for. The hope here is Maybin is at worst a stop gap until Everet Williams or Donavan Tate are ready. At best, he plays well enough to move those guys to a corner spot.
Don’t worry, the Padres won’t give up much for Maybin. This is a classic buy-low deal for a team in need of some young players with upside.
Ryan Webb was not cheap at all. Heck, I think he is more valuable (to a budget team) than Heath Bell.
I agree with you there. I don’t like what they gave up. That’s not what I was expecting. I could have lived with giving up Webb or Mujica, but not both. I still think Maybin is worth the risk given their alternatives, but they gave up more than anticipated.
As I said, the team has it’s own options. Cunningham, Blanks, Gwynn Jr., Durango are among other cheap players that might “fulfill their offensive potential”.
Why trade for an outfielder who can’t hit? we have like 4 of those, and if defense is the argument, you can’t get a much better glove than Tony Gwynn Jr.
Maybe Heath Bell is involved. I can’t see them going after Adrian.
I think Brandon Gomes or Anthony Bass would be fair.
Just a hunch, but I’d imagine if the word is that Maybin is being discussed, that he’s probably the most well-known piece in the trade. So I’d doubt there’s a Heath Bell-type player involved.
Good call. Maybin for minor leaguers?
The Padres wanted Maybin or Sean West for Heath Bell last year so i could imagine the Marlins trading Maybin plus another prospect to Padres for Bell.
Not gonna happen. Maybin and West both saw their stock considerably, which Heath’s stock is as high as it will ever be. This is going to by Maybin for a low level prospect.
I have to expect that Brandon Gomes is going the other way. Maybe Brandon Bass.
Good call. Maybin for minor leaguers?
Just a hunch, but I’d imagine if the word is that Maybin is being discussed, that he’s probably the most well-known piece in the trade. So I’d doubt there’s a Heath Bell-type player involved.
And then who do the Fish play CF?
Bonifacio? I know he was playing some center at the end of the year.
Id think it would be Morrison Coghlan and Stanton in outfield and have Dominguez start 3B on opening day.
Which guys playing center? Because as far as I know none of those three have any experience playing the position.
I honestly don’t know. I highly doubt the Marlins would go out of their way to sign a CF.
There really aren’t any center fielders on the free agent market anyway. Rick Ankiel is probably the best one available, and I wouldn’t even consider him an everyday player on most teams..
There was an article on here the other day that said Coghlan would be moved to 3B.
that is the tentative plan, according to the marlins. they want to look at dominguez in spring training though, he is a big improvement for our defense, bat not so much.
that is the tentative plan, according to the marlins. they want to look at dominguez in spring training though, he is a big improvement for our defense, bat not so much.
There was an article on here the other day that said Coghlan would be moved to 3B.
Bonifacio? I know he was playing some center at the end of the year.
And then who do the Fish play CF?
are the marlins trying to trade everybody they got from the cabrera tade??
yes.
are the marlins trying to trade everybody they got from the cabrera tade??
Ok, what the heck is wrong with the Marlins? Why do they trade everyone?!?!?!?! I thought they had a strong nucleus a year ago that included Cantu, Uggla and Ross. Now Ross and Cantu are gone and Uggla is on his way out
Ross and Cantu didn’t fit into the long term plans. Maybin is pretty much a bust if he can’t figure out ML pitching this year. It’s not like they’re trading away very good players.
I agree here. Hanley, Stanton, Johnson, Morrison, Sanchez and Coghlan are the future of the Marlins and Cantu, Uggla and Ross are the past.
good point but who says they aren’t going to trade them away
good point but who says they aren’t going to trade them away
I agree here. Hanley, Stanton, Johnson, Morrison, Sanchez and Coghlan are the future of the Marlins and Cantu, Uggla and Ross are the past.
Ross and Cantu didn’t fit into the long term plans. Maybin is pretty much a bust if he can’t figure out ML pitching this year. It’s not like they’re trading away very good players.
Well lets just say that their owner doesn’t like to spend money for good players.
Historically you’re right, but he didn’t seem to mind paying Uggla 12mil/year.
Well that’s because Uggla is worth more than that on the free-agent market. There aren’t many second basemen available – Uggla would be by far the best. He’s a $15MM per year player, at least in the short term (but all deals made these days only assess value in the short term, it seems…).
Well that’s because Uggla is worth more than that on the free-agent market. There aren’t many second basemen available – Uggla would be by far the best. He’s a $15MM per year player, at least in the short term (but all deals made these days only assess value in the short term, it seems…).
Historically you’re right, but he didn’t seem to mind paying Uggla 12mil/year.
Well lets just say that their owner doesn’t like to spend money for good players.
At the time they let Ross go for nothing, the Marlins stated they wanted to get a look a Maybin. Now, less than six months later, they’re willing to toss in the towel on him? Just who exactly will be their starting OF next season?
At the time they let Ross go for nothing, the Marlins stated they wanted to get a look a Maybin. Now, less than six months later, they’re willing to toss in the towel on him? Just who exactly will be their starting OF next season?
They got replaced by better, cheaper players. Like Josh Johnson, Mike Stanton, and Logan Morrison.
They got replaced by better, cheaper players. Like Josh Johnson, Mike Stanton, and Logan Morrison.
Ok, what the heck is wrong with the Marlins? Why do they trade everyone?!?!?!?! I thought they had a strong nucleus a year ago that included Cantu, Uggla and Ross. Now Ross and Cantu are gone and Uggla is on his way out
I would like to see the Pirates jump into this conversation, possibly get Maybin and a Padres pitcher for a combination of Doumit, Jones, and a few marginal prospects.
No, the Pirates need to get away from players like Maybin. All projection with nothing to show for it. He won’t be any better than Milledge and sure won’t be the middle of the order hitter that they’d need. Tabata and McCutchen are locked in at the top two spots of the lineup for years, hopefully.
No, the Pirates need to get away from players like Maybin. All projection with nothing to show for it. He won’t be any better than Milledge and sure won’t be the middle of the order hitter that they’d need. Tabata and McCutchen are locked in at the top two spots of the lineup for years, hopefully.
I would like to see the Pirates jump into this conversation, possibly get Maybin and a Padres pitcher for a combination of Doumit, Jones, and a few marginal prospects.
I really hope that the Royals don’t acquire him. We have our own Cameron Maybin type player, his name is Jarrod Dyson…If we were going to trade for Maybin though…I could us giving up Blaine Hardy, Starling De La Rosa, and Adrian Ortiz…
If they were to aquire Maybin, he and Dyson would make up 2/3 of a very good defensive outfield. Teams bringing up priced arms soon like the Royals should be focusing on putting a good defense behind them…. unlike Guillen and Betancourt of past and present.
If they were to aquire Maybin, he and Dyson would make up 2/3 of a very good defensive outfield. Teams bringing up priced arms soon like the Royals should be focusing on putting a good defense behind them…. unlike Guillen and Betancourt of past and present.
No team in their right mind is going to swap Cameron Maybin for three prospects. If he’s traded, it’ll either be straight up for another player, (IE., Miller for Richardson), or a deal involving low-ceiling prospects, (IE., the Matt Lindstrom deal with Hou.) Can’t see a reason to do more than that.
No team in their right mind is going to swap Cameron Maybin for three prospects. If he’s traded, it’ll either be straight up for another player, (IE., Miller for Richardson), or a deal involving low-ceiling prospects, (IE., the Matt Lindstrom deal with Hou.) Can’t see a reason to do more than that.
Are you aware of who those 3 prospects are? 2 of them aren’t even top 50 in the organization, and the other is fringe.
No, but I still think three is too many. What team is going to trade more than two prospects for a guy who, so far, is a flopped prospect himself? I understand the thinking, but you never know with prospects. Why give the Marlins three chances at striking gold?
Fair enough. Robinson Yambati straight up
Don’t know much about Yambati (except he’s really young, lol), but this is definitely something more in line. Ideally, I’m sure the Marlins would love to snag one of those Padres’ relievers.
Absolutley they would. Best pen in Baseball. I think the Padres should hold on to all of them though except for Bell.
I have a feeling they will. No need to move any of them. (Minus Bell, of course.)
Yeah. I have a strong feeling that Brandon Gomes is going to FLA. maybe Anthony Bass.
I have a feeling they will. No need to move any of them. (Minus Bell, of course.)
Absolutley they would. Best pen in Baseball. I think the Padres should hold on to all of them though except for Bell.
Fair enough. Robinson Yambati straight up
Are you aware of who those 3 prospects are? 2 of them aren’t even top 50 in the organization, and the other is fringe.
I really hope that the Royals don’t acquire him. We have our own Cameron Maybin type player, his name is Jarrod Dyson…If we were going to trade for Maybin though…I could us giving up Blaine Hardy, Starling De La Rosa, and Adrian Ortiz…
I think Maybin and another prospect would be going to the Padres and we would get Heath Bell in return. The Royals farm system is stacked. What if the Marlins are trying to make a play for Greinke and Maybin’s a piece of it?
that would be the dream, wouldn’t it, getting bell or greinke? bell is possible.
I think Maybin and another prospect would be going to the Padres and we would get Heath Bell in return. The Royals farm system is stacked. What if the Marlins are trying to make a play for Greinke and Maybin’s a piece of it?
I know Maybin’s had an incredibly rough time figuring things out in the big leagues, but he’s still only 23 – so I think calling him a bust is still a bit premature.
I know Maybin’s had an incredibly rough time figuring things out in the big leagues, but he’s still only 23 – so I think calling him a bust is still a bit premature.
There’s an offensively poor outfielder on the market? Leave it to Dayton Moore to come to the rescue.
There’s an offensively poor outfielder on the market? Leave it to Dayton Moore to come to the rescue.
Unless they like him as AAA depth, I’m not sure why the Padres would be interested in Cameron Maybin, adding to an outfield that already consists of Ryan Ludwick, Tony Gwynn Jr., Will Venable, Scott Hairston, Chris Denorfia, Luis Durango, and Aaron Cunningham. If anything, they may be interested in swapping one of these guys, but who, and why?
I suppose a deal with the Royals makes more sense, but how much more?
Hairston and Denorfia are already gone and Ludwick should be. Add Maybin to the other 4 and you have a pretty good defensive outfield with some speed on the bases, as long as they can get on, that would play quite well at Petco. I hope Durango is not involved in this deal. The Padres really need to give this little guy a chance at leadoff. Brett Butler made a career out of bunt singles and creating havoc on the base paths.
Why do you say Denorfia is gone?
Why do you say Denorfia is gone?
Hairston will be non-tendered but Deno is only arb 1, so he will more then likely be bought back. The outfield is currently Venable in RF Ludwick in LF, and question mark in CF. So adding players that can compete in spring training for the CF spot makes sense. The Padres could then simply put in on waviers at the end of spring if he doesn’t make strides. It works as long as the Padres aren’t giving up anything of real value. Like if the Marlins would take Ramos or Inman for him it could work in the Padres favor, by adding a much higher ceiling CF to the roster.
Sorry, thought I read he was let go.
Sorry, thought I read he was let go.
Hairston will be non-tendered but Deno is only arb 1, so he will more then likely be bought back. The outfield is currently Venable in RF Ludwick in LF, and question mark in CF. So adding players that can compete in spring training for the CF spot makes sense. The Padres could then simply put in on waviers at the end of spring if he doesn’t make strides. It works as long as the Padres aren’t giving up anything of real value. Like if the Marlins would take Ramos or Inman for him it could work in the Padres favor, by adding a much higher ceiling CF to the roster.
The Norf aint gone.
The Norf aint gone.
Scott Hairston will be non-tendered. Gwynn Jr is nothing more than a 4th OF. Denorfia is a 4th or 5th OF and has no business playing CF. Luis Durango will never hit at this level. They want to move Ludwick to LF and Venable to RF, which means they need a ‘live body’ in CF.
The Padres have Everett Williams and Donavan Tate in the minors, and both are probably two years away (at least). At 24, Maybin is a premium athlete with a ton of upside (something you can’t say about Gwynn, Hairston, Cunningham, Denorfia, Durango). At worst he’s a 2-3 year stop gap until Williams or Tate is ready. At best, he becomes a fixture in the OF allowing the Padres to shift Williams and Tate to corner spots.
It’s going to involve a mid level minor league prospect, and it’s a perfect low risk, potentially high reward move for a team in need of inexpensive premium athletes.
Unless they like him as AAA depth, I’m not sure why the Padres would be interested in Cameron Maybin, adding to an outfield that already consists of Ryan Ludwick, Tony Gwynn Jr., Will Venable, Scott Hairston, Chris Denorfia, Luis Durango, and Aaron Cunningham. If anything, they may be interested in swapping one of these guys, but who, and why?
I suppose a deal with the Royals makes more sense, but how much more?
What about the Jays? I good see AA taking a chance on a young, very athletic CFer with high upside. Also, 610 PA really is not that many. That is only one full-season. Some hitters take time adjusting to major league pitching. It seems early to deem him an offensive dud.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. The Marlins would probably sell low at this point.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. The Marlins would probably sell low at this point.
And he plays where? He’s a very good CF, but the Jays aren’t ready to move Wells to RF. And this then forced Bautista to 3B where he’s a subpar defender, all in the name of getting a guy some AB that they hope pans out.
Why aren’t the Jays ready to move Wells to right field? To not hurt his ego? I think the Jays would move Bautista to 3B if they felt that they could find a better value player in the OF then at 3B. Sure, his defense is probably better in RF than at 3B, but I don’t think the disparity is so great that they wouldn’t feel comfortable moving back to the hot corner.
Why aren’t the Jays ready to move Wells to right field? To not hurt his ego? I think the Jays would move Bautista to 3B if they felt that they could find a better value player in the OF then at 3B. Sure, his defense is probably better in RF than at 3B, but I don’t think the disparity is so great that they wouldn’t feel comfortable moving back to the hot corner.
Jose Bautista is not a subpar defender at 3rd. Like Jon said, he’s better at RF, but to call him a subpar defender is inaccurate.
Actually he is at both RF and 3B. He’s a got great arm from RF but that’s all he has. His range is average if not below average.
Jose Bautista is not a subpar defender at 3rd. Like Jon said, he’s better at RF, but to call him a subpar defender is inaccurate.
And he plays where? He’s a very good CF, but the Jays aren’t ready to move Wells to RF. And this then forced Bautista to 3B where he’s a subpar defender, all in the name of getting a guy some AB that they hope pans out.
Meh… I’m sure they would like someone with higher upside the ability to get on base and steal a lot.
A deal with the Royals? Hmmm…I’m actually intrigued. If the team doesn’t give up too much for him it’d be a high reward scenario. It’s not like the team will be a contender next season, might as well give him a shot next season. If he fails, then oh well (again, as long as not too much is given up in prospects). The only thing is, the team has Maier, Blanco, and Dyson who can play in CF, plus Lough and Parraz who finished up decent, if not disappointing AAA seasons after huge AA seasons last year. So there’s a lot of other OFs who need an opportunity to play too to see what they can do. Maybe if Toronto does want Gordon, ship him off there, since he’ll never live up to Royals fan’s expectations. That’d give more room to try these OFs out. Or hell, trade Gordon to the Marlins in some deal where everyone is happy (probably not a straight up deal though).
Trade DeJesus, potentially add Maybin and Frenchy? Mr. Moore is doing a number on the Royals outfield. What’s next, bringing Guillen back?
Gordon for Maybin straight up???
I would rather have Maybin. Gordon is 4 years older and his average is worst then Maybin’s.
I’d rather have Gordon. He’s only 3+ years older than Maybin and has already had a couple descent seasons in the bigs. Maybin has yet to figure it out, Gordon just needs to get it back. They have different skill sets but I have to think Gordon is the better bet going forward.
I’d rather have Gordon. He’s only 3+ years older than Maybin and has already had a couple descent seasons in the bigs. Maybin has yet to figure it out, Gordon just needs to get it back. They have different skill sets but I have to think Gordon is the better bet going forward.
Gordon for Maybin straight up???
If the Royals want this guy bad enough I don’t see how the Padres possibly beat the offer. Royals have as good a minor league system as anyone right now. They have real talent.
Alex Gordon for Maybin straight up wouldn’t be bad.
Not as good for FLA as Brandon Gomes for Maybin.
Alex Gordon for Maybin straight up wouldn’t be bad.
no Maybin for the Padres we have Tony jr .
i just like that the marlins are being active early. it at least shows a desire to make the team better. i know most will think it’s about money, but i see it as fixing holes with parts that could be replaced in house.
Interesting tweet from Jeff Passan: “Source says Cameron Maybin “will be traded.” Deal with #Padres getting close. #Marlins were discussing Alex Gordon with #Royals earlier.”
Interesting tweet from Jeff Passan: “Source says Cameron Maybin “will be traded.” Deal with #Padres getting close. #Marlins were discussing Alex Gordon with #Royals earlier.”
Very interesting that the Marlins were looking at Alex Gordon, even though it sounds like that may have fallen through. You’d think the Marlins were considering Gordon at third base, which would probably mean Chris Coghlan would have no spot but 2nd base… which would make it likely that Dan Uggla was on the move.
Very interesting that the Marlins were looking at Alex Gordon, even though it sounds like that may have fallen through. You’d think the Marlins were considering Gordon at third base, which would probably mean Chris Coghlan would have no spot but 2nd base… which would make it likely that Dan Uggla was on the move.
We better get Bell from the Padres for Maybin. He is only 23 with tons of potential still. Please be heath bell.
We better get Bell from the Padres for Maybin. He is only 23 with tons of potential still. Please be heath bell.
Why would the Marlins want Bell when they have Nunez?! Doesn’t make sense to me..
Bell is an accomplished closer…one of the best. Nunez is at his best as a set up guy. Not that I think Bell is part of the deal anyways….
Bell is an accomplished closer…one of the best. Nunez is at his best as a set up guy. Not that I think Bell is part of the deal anyways….
A bullpen consisting of Nunez, Hensley and Bell would be awesome.
agreed i think nunez is more of a set-up guy
agreed i think nunez is more of a set-up guy
A bullpen consisting of Nunez, Hensley and Bell would be awesome.
Why would the Marlins want Bell when they have Nunez?! Doesn’t make sense to me..
Maybin and Martinez for Bell.
Ozzie? he doesn’t have a ton of trade value IMO.
He has some value. He had great minors numbers last and put up quality numbers filling in for Hanley with excellent defense. He has promise, and is probably better than a couple shortstops out there.
Ozzie? he doesn’t have a ton of trade value IMO.
in some way, this trade will probably show that they will try to trade uggla too eventually.
in some way, this trade will probably show that they will try to trade uggla too eventually.
Hmmm….details haven’t been released yet…but so long Cam
suspense driving me crazy. i really want to know for whom he was traded. i liked cam a lot.
Killing me too as a Pads fan. Wondering who we gave up. If the marlins don’t have a center fielder without Maybin is it possible we give up something like Durango/Gwynn and a prospect?
Or we give up a bullpen arm not Bell. I hope it’s Mujica and a so-so prospect.
I don’t get the Marlins…
Brandon Gomes please!