Padres GM Jed Hoyer said in an interview on XX1090 Sports Radio that the club will listen to offers for Adrian Gonzalez though he expects to start the season with him, tweets Dan Hayes of the North County Times. The GM even said that the club has yet to make the star slugger an offer as they are far apart on compensation and he will likely go elsewhere, tweets Marty Caswell of XX1090 Sports Radio. Hoyer added that it is a near-certainty that Gonzalez will explore the open market after 2011, says Hayes (via Twitter).
While the Padres have yet to submit an offer to Gonzalez's agent, the two sides reportedly made plans to meet this week. However, a long-term deal seems unlikely in the wake of CEO Jeff Moorad's comments last month and Hoyer's remarks this evening.
Hoyer will also listen to offers on Heath Bell as he believes that the club has two closer candidates in Mike Adams and Luke Gregerson, Hayes tweets. Bell earned $4MM in 2010 and is due a raise in arbitration.
The Padres GM also confirmed that Mets GM Sandy Alderson has asked for permission to speak with Paul DePodesta but hopes that he will stay with San Diego, tweets Caswell.
Like Greinke, if they get blown away with an offer, I don’t see any problem with trading him.
Sosa’s bat shard for Gonz. Thats fair, right?
Let the repetitive/hilarious Red Sox rumors begin!
Haha, we think alike…
I have no idea what you are talking about, but I think a trade of Reddick, Nava, Kelly, Kalish, Ellsbury, Pimentel, Rizzo, and Anderson would be a fair trade for A-Gon…
Are you seriously suggesting all that for A-Gon would be fair?
No
Hahah you even got me for a sec!! I was like ya that would be fair!!…… wait…..
All of what being fair? Most of those names listed suck anyway. Ellsbury is the only decent player or prospect of the bunch.
Comments like that make it easy to find people who let their hatred of a franchise effect their judgment. Clearly Rizzo, Kelly, Kalish, and Pimentel are all legit prospects.
I dont hate the Sox at all; however, I am not a big fan of Red Sox nation.
Your arrogance is hard to take sometimes.
I thought Epstein said Kelly and Westmoreland were untouchable? Or was that just Westmoreland? Also, eight guys for one year of a player? Maybe a combination of 2-4 of them.
I was making a joke
Oh well. I bet if Epstein offered that, Gonzalez would be packed up and traded. I bet Hoyer would pack Gonzalez by himself for that much.
Yeah, and Epstien would be packed up and shipped out too.
Theo doesn’t make any player untouchable, in the minors of MLB. No good GM does. Except for Westmoreland of course…he’s literally the most untouchable player in baseball, but for different reasons.
Someday, people will appreciate your sarcasm.
Hopefully
Well, it’s kinda hard to sense sarcasm over the internet.
Waaaaaaay too much. Reddick, Nava and Anderson would be more than enough. I’d be willing to throw in Bowden but that’s pushing it.
(joking of course)
My goodness.
Someone help me out
I get your joke. I was joking that you were offering everyone and I was offering scrubs. C’mon man!
My bad. Joke on joke on joke.
We got jokes? hahah it’s all good.
We got jokes? hahah it’s all good.
reddick, nava and anderson might be enough at deadline if the padres are already out of contention and their is no other team interested in gonzalez that is willing to fork over a better package. in other words, aint gonna happen.
If the Padres get to the trade deadline and that is all they could get for Adrian, they might as well keep him and take the two high draft picks.
You can keep your minor league crap right back there Sawks. None of those guys you list would ever make the Padres Major League Offer. I would rather keep Agon and make another run if thats all the Padres would get. Meanwhile, the Sox can finish 3rd again in 2011 without Adrian and finish behind the Padres lol.
O.o Somebody can’t read! Or, puts on blinds when he sees parentheses apparently.
Yeah man, didn’t you read what I wrote below? I was joking. That trade was reflecting what some people have said before. I’ll admit I’ve suggested a couple that should have me roasted here. It was a joke dude.
It’s so easy to get the Sox haters wound up.
Yeah man, didn’t you read what I wrote below? I was joking. That trade was reflecting what some people have said before. I’ll admit I’ve suggested a couple that should have me roasted here. It was a joke dude.
As a Padre fan, I would be content with a deal centered around Kelly and Fuentes. A good young pitcher to build around and a fast, slick fielding center fielder who is a few years away would be fine with me. Obviously the Sox would have to throw in some other ” B/C” prospects, but I really don’t think this deal is out of the question. I would really love to get my hands on that Iglesias, but I know that won’t be happening.
As a Red Sox fan, I would certainly be willing to give you Kelly, Fuentes and a few B/C prospects for A.Gonz.
Unfortunately, Theo probably isn’t.
Damn, you beat me to it!
The Red Sox are not giving up premium talent for a player they can throw just $ at the following season. So they don’t make a lot of sense. yes they ill get mentioned, but that’s only to get readers in. If you look at their current FO history, that kind of move would make no sense for them.
Don’t be the repetitive whiny ass fan who hates on the teams that bring in the most viewers to the site. Please step off the your Soap Box.
And so it begins… We get to hear all the crazy Gonzalez to the Red Sox offers from fans, ESPN, and numerous baseball insiders… This should get pretty entertaining! lol
Gonzalez should be traded. Like the Teixeira trade, they had him for maybe half a year, year and half at max. Trade him while you can get maximum value out of him. I think the Sox would give up Lars Anderson. Diamondbacks mike be looking for a closer, and Bell would probably get interest from them. Out of Adams, and Gregerson, my choice is Adams.
why trade for a closer when there are going to be a good amount on the market as FA’s…soriano, jenk come to mind…
Go look at Soriano’s history. He sucks when not in free agency year. Go look at Jenk’s record. He’ll be non-tendered because he sucks.
Jenks put up a 10.4 K/9 and 3.1 BB/9 this past year, so he hardly “sucks”. Now he’s not worth anywhere near what he’s likely to earn in arbitration, but there are far worse options out there as a potential closer.
As for Soriano, he hardly “sucked” in 2006-2007 when he wasn’t in a free agent year.
exactly the only reason he will be non-tendered is because of the amount of money he would make in arb…jenks has been one of the top closer in the game since 05…he had a bad year in terms of walks and hits, and non save situations but if im correct he only blew at max 5 saves this season
and add to the fact that the whitesox have matt thronton, and sergio santos in the fold as cheaper options to close along with a potential resigning of putz
So the Sox would give up their second-best closr prospect for a thunder bat at 1B? How generous.
You’re obviously blind.
….because you mentioned Lars Anderson, who’s ranked behind Rizzo and I disagreed? Got it.
Except theo’s a lot harder to fool then frank wren. And he over values his prospects. And hoyer know the red sox system to well for them to try to push one over on him…….. theres just to many things working aginst the red sox in this one.
I’d love to hear an examples of where Theo Epstein overvalued his prospects rather than just making blanket statements based on no facts.
Remember that time the Sox could have had Saltalamacchia or Teagarden for Buchholz and some other guy and Theo refused to make the trade. Boy, what an idiot!
Hmm Towers might call about Bell.
I’ve always considered the diamondbacks a sleeper for Soriano. The Rays could make a trade for Bell maybe Bartlett and Shields for Bell and Ludwick.
The Rays would make alot of sense. It’s unfortunate that Crawford will be leaving this off season, because with Jennings knocking on the door, I think something involving Bell for Upton with some others included, would have really helped out both teams.
Bell is in line for an $8 million+ salary in arbitration. Why trade a guy with Upton’s upside (esp when you’re losing Crawford), who is still relatively cheap, for one year of Heath Bell? Rays are cutting payroll, so having that much tied up in a closer isn’t something I’d want to see them do as a fan.
Because BJ’s probably at the point where he’ll never reach his full potential? How much longer is it going to be before we stop hearing about BJ’s ceiling and how much of a bust he turned out to be?
…Probably a few years before you hear it about Justin Upton.
I think I said, with Crawford leaving this doesn’t make much sense. However, Bell is looking for a 3 year deal and if the Rays were willing to give it to him, I’m sure it would average less than $8 million. Not to mention Upton must be coming up to his arbitration years as well.
anyone else having problems posting? When I first opened this thread I had a message saying “user has forbidden you from posting to this site” but after I refreshed it disappeared. I may have some very odd trade proposals but nothing to get permanently barred lol.
Ya reckon it has something to do with your inviting people to touch your monkey?
Dyan vicedio+escobar+carlos quentin+edwin jackson+cash for gonzo if he agrees to a pre trade extension…good deal for the whitesox and for the padres
Jackson seems like a little much. They need him if Garcia walks or Peavy experiences a setback.
thats what chris sale is for though…that kid has proven he can pitch up in the bigs…and garcia probably wont walk due to him and ozzie being family…i just thought it was a legit deal that is competitive with other offers out there…you get a young pitcher who would love to pitch in that park…and power hitting corner out fielder to and a power hitting 1st base replacement(no one can replace him but vicedio is going to be somehthing special)…a 3-4-5 of ludwick-vicedio-quentin…is young, cheap, and strong and just what the pads have been missing for quite some time…plus it gives them a very good SS prospect in escobar….as a sox fan i dont really want to part with escobar and/or dyan but if to got them Adrian locked up then its a win win for both team, the sox get a gold glove 1stbasemen who would thrive in the cell and the pads get good young players and can stay competitive in the now and the future
anything to keep him away from the bosox…they are turning into just as much of an “evil empire” as the yankees but no one hates them as much for some reason…last season the yankees big free agent splash was nick johnson, they traded for granderson and vasquez…while the bosox drop huge cash on lackey+cameron+scuturo..and no one says anything because they lost
Ill give you Lackey, but cameron and scuturo? Cmon, 2nd tier at best! Check the lineups and payrolls. Not even close!
speechless.
contribute dude dont be a loser anymore
Any deal with the Whitesox would have to include Beckham. Even with his struggles last year he has huge upside and the Padres could really use middle of the diamond help.
highly doubtfull but it could happen…if you were to throw beckham in then kenny would clearly take vicedio out. Now a package of beckham+quentin+jackson could get it done but if and only if adrian signs an extension something along the lines of 4 years….With escobar coming along fast and omar visquel resigned already and with lilibridge playing like he did last season i dont see why the sox could do with out beckham. And there are alot of scouts out there that seem to think brent morell is better suited for SS and move alexi back to 2nd with vicedio at 3rd could be something worth taking a look at…
waaay too much to give up for 1 year of AGon! either Beckam alone or Quentin and Jackson is more than enough imo!
waaay too much to give up for 1 year of AGon! either Beckam alone or Quentin and Jackson is more than enough imo!
with all do respect sir, you are a dummy! Most of the sox main players are home grown. yeah the overpaid for lackey, the year before the yanks overpaid for cc, and burnett, and tex for that matter.
Dont mention the contracts the white sox have giving out that worked out so welll ala jake peavy 16mil in 2011, 17mil in 2012, and 22mil in 2013!
yeah your team never givesbad contracts…dummy! 🙂
Just because you choose to open your trap about the Yankees.
Sox Homegrown players in 2010- Youks, Pedroia, Vtek, Elllsbury, Anderson, Lowrie, Lester, Buchholz, Kalish, Reddick, Paps, Bard, Nava-7 full time players. 6 subs and fill ins.
Yanks Homegrown players in 2010- Cano, Jeter, Posada, Cervelli, Gardner, Mo, Joba, Hughes, RObertson, Pettitte, Aceves, Pena, Nunez, Miranda, Curtis-10 fulltime players. 5 subs and fill ins.
Thanks for playing.
cano is amazing
jeter is overratted and not arguable
posada is almost done
cervelli not bad
gardner good
mo great
joba bad
hughes ok
reobertson not good
pettitte almost done
the rest arent worth commenting on!
Youk great
pedroia great
vtek done
ells is comparible to gardner
lowrie is ok
lester awesome
buck awesome
kalish ok
paps good
bard very good
the rest…eehhh
everyone can list tons of homegrown talent, hell you could list your entire double A team….my point is red sox homegrown has more impact.
like i said most of the sox MAIN players are home grown….the yanks best players are bought…other than cano. (talking about present i know jeter and mo were great at one time)
thanks for playing sir!
Wow…I don’t recall making an arguement as to who was better than who. Quite childish of you but I’ll play that game with you.
-cano is amazing (agreed)
-jeter is overratted and not arguable (not arguable? call the guy old and on the decline, call the guy overpaid. However, he’s been the best overall SS in the last 15 years and will retire being top 5 ALL TIME in Bat Avg, OBP, Hits, HRS, RBI and top 10 in SB among SS. He also only needs 500 hits to pass Honus Wagner for the most hits ever by a SS and 524 to become just the 6th player to have 3,500 hits or more in history. Yeah, ok….overrated? He would easily be the best SS the Sox ever had.
-posada is almost done (granted. Last year is his last and 6 years from now he might be in the HOF. He ranks top 8 in just about every offensive category among C’s.
-cervelli not bad (he has his positives)
-gardner good (agreed)
-mo great (best closer ever)
-joba bad (disagree. ups and downs certainly. Lifetime stats of 3.77/1.36 and 362 ko and 143 walks in 353 IP. Yeah horrible for a 25 year old who was rushed).
-hughes ok (hmmm…little better than ok, but let’s see about 2011).
-reobertson not good (disagree. 3.99/1.44 w/ 170 ko and 71 walks in 135 IP. Amazing lifetime rate of 11 k’s/9 IP. Wouldn’t call him great but certainly not bad).
-pettitte almost done (granted. 1 or 2 years tops).
the rest arent worth commenting on!
Youk great (agreed)
pedroia great (agreed)
vtek done (agreed)
ells is comparible to gardner (ells is a little better when healthy)
lowrie is ok (agreed. wait and see if he can carry over from 2010’s small sample size)
lester awesome (agreed)
buck awesome (very good. let’s see what he does in 2011. His K/9 were a career low of 6.2/9 IP and his KK/BB rate was also a career low of 1.79 and while his ERA was a sparkling 2.33 his FIP was 3.61 and his xFIP was 4.20. I thought his 2010 performance was good enough to put him in the running, or at least the conversation for Cy Young along with Felix, Price and Sabathia. But let’s see if he can keep it up in 2011).
-kalish ok (.252/.305 isn’t ok but it’s a small sample size. Still decent performance for a sub who doesn’t play day in day out).
-paps good (agreed)
-bard very good (agreed)
-the rest…eehhh (ok)
So except for your total bias towards Jeter and Joba we agree on most. Still don’t know what that has to do w/ the fact that the Yanks had as many if not more homegrown players which was the point.
Well atleast we agree on most, I think you are missing what I am saying, or maybe that it was 1am when i wrote it. My point is, currently the MAIN players for the sox are home grown and came up together.
I know the yanks have a lot of home grown talent but they are spread out over a lot of time, few and far between.
Now for Jeter, i was talking about next season. He might have had the best career ever at shortstop, a postion hard to hold down for a long time. I am a fan of jeter, and i wished the sox would of drafted him, but he is almost finished.
Joba…well i hate the guy, i am biased! 🙂
Hughes, as I have said in many posts, has tons of potential
Here is the thing, take away the yanks home grown talent and they are still in the playoffs with that lineup, and pitching staff
Take away the sox home grown talent and theres not much left, do you get what im saying here.
You cant compare the sox or any other team to yanks as far as going out year to year and getting the bet free agents. Now the yanks didnt get a lot last year due to payroll so high, and I think that the yanks will be hurting in the next few years with all of these big contracts running until the players are in there 40s.
Other than 2008 the Yanks have NOT spent the most in FA.
Off the top of my head, NEW FA since 2006 as opposed to players already under contract that were just extended or resigned w/ contracts greater than $4 mil per-
Win/06-Igawa, Pettitte
Win/07-No one (Retained Pettitte, Arod, Mo and Posada)
Win/08-AJ, Tex, CC (Retained Pettitte)-
Win/09-Nick Johnson (Retained Pettitte)-
Take away 2008 and the Yanks have been relatively quiet as far as new FA spending.
Jeter overated? Really? If Theo threw 4/60 at him tomorrow would u say that? Jeter can never be properly evaluated on just his numbers fyi! I hate the yanks but love mo and jeter and respect the hell out of them! Dont be a child and let hatred blind reality. your comment would be the equivalent of a Montreal Canadiens fan saying Terry O’Reiily was just a no talent goon! PS, O’Reilly is my favorite player in any sport and no athlete was a better Captain or worked harder with less than Taz!
1. i like jeter
2. i would not watch baseball if theo was dumb enough to offer him 4 for 60!
3. Jeter making 1.7x market value for a premium postions is dumb!
4. jeters numbers are very similar to scutaros. So by jeter presumably making so much more than scutaro, then he is overrated and overpaid, i mean the guy is 36! He had a great past but he is not that guy anymore. he is still good but not worth what he will get paid. and FYI im only talkin about value for playing…..not off the field worth.
If you think im wrong, talk to Hal about why things could get messy.
thanks for the input and wasting everyones time with bad comments
and this is a baseball forum…stop referring to hockey
Jeter overated? Really? If Theo threw 4/60 at him tomorrow would u say that? Jeter can never be properly evaluated on just his numbers fyi! I hate the yanks but love mo and jeter and respect the hell out of them! Dont be a child and let hatred blind reality. your comment would be the equivalent of a Montreal Canadiens fan saying Terry O’Reiily was just a no talent goon! PS, O’Reilly is my favorite player in any sport and no athlete was a better Captain or worked harder with less than Taz!
are you freaking kidding me? Miranda had how many at bats? Nunez pitched how many innings? dude, when these comments come up and you want to talk about homegrown players, just stay out of it and dont comment, be proud that you buy what you need to have this super all star team and just accept that you dont really go for homegrown, the ones that stuck by were there only because no superstar was worth throwing them away and they became good, Cano was almost given away but Texas took Arias away but the Yankees actually insisted they take Cano…
I’m going to stop the conversation because you obviously read what you want. I posted both teams regulars and their subs and call ups. Even still the Yanks had more regulars than the Sox did. Read before you open your trap.
Jeter, Cano, Posada, Gardner, Hughes, Mo, Pettitte, Robertson, Joba, Aceves
Youks, Pedroia, Ells, Lester, Buccholz, Paps, Bard
All the others were backups, call ups and fill ins. Shut up dude.
Current FA earning $5 mil or more:
Yanks-Tex, CC, AJ
Sox- Scutaro, Beltre, Cameron, Drew, Lackey, Dice-K,
YOu know the fundemental difference between the Yanks and the Sox in terms of $$$$$$. Yanks paying fair market value to retain Jeter, Posada, Mo and Pettitte vs the Sox paying below market value to retain their’s (Pedroia, Youks, Lester, Paps).
Anyway, I’m done. Have a great offseason.
Just because you choose to open your trap about the Yankees.
Sox Homegrown players in 2010- Youks, Pedroia, Vtek, Elllsbury, Anderson, Lowrie, Lester, Buchholz, Kalish, Reddick, Paps, Bard, Nava-7 full time players. 6 subs and fill ins.
Yanks Homegrown players in 2010- Cano, Jeter, Posada, Cervelli, Gardner, Mo, Joba, Hughes, RObertson, Pettitte, Aceves, Pena, Nunez, Miranda, Curtis-10 fulltime players. 5 subs and fill ins.
Thanks for playing.
white sox didnt give Peavy that contract dummy, it was the Padres, the Sox took it off their hands because at the time he was viewed as a cy young contender and going to be priced out of san diego’s grasp, if it wasnt for a fluke ankle injury, that 16 million was looking to be a bargain.
insnt giving a contract and knowingly taking on a contract almost the same. Plus Peavy was already hurt when they traded for him if i remember correctly. Im really, who does that? Big contract with an injury?
the yankees really didnt over pay for Tex the brids and the bosox were offering him contracts right along with the one he signed for the yankees, he chose NY becuase they got CC…yes an over pay but he was instrumental in the WS that year…and they got burnett Tex saw ny as the best chance to win year in and year out
AND i never said the sox give out bad contract…but in all reality they dont….the last huge contract they gave out was paul konerko…yes they took on some big ones but there is a difference if it were not for a freak back injury peavy was shwoign signs of regaining form and rios had a moneter year for the sox….but what about them bosox….lackey, cameron is bad considering his age, same with scuturo, jd drew, david ortiz, manny ramirez…pretty good list of big bad contracts
You talk about Cameron and Scutaro yet leave out how your team claimed Manny Ramirez and Alexis Rios? Convient.
never said the sox didnt have bad contracts, mannys isnt bad 3 mill defered with no interest over the next few years?….and to be honest peavy and rios were not the whitesox contracts they were the padres and blue jays that the whitesox took on….and rios is not a bad contract with the way he has beenplaying for the whitesox but still a huge one yes….peavy could turn out to be a bad contract yes but if he can come back healthy and regain cy young form it wont be as bad…home many cy youngs has lackey won?
Nolan Ryan never won a cy young either, whats your point.
You said the sox are almost the “evil empire”, adn if that you meant by getting lackey, scutaro and cameron you obviously think they are going to be HOFs.
I would say the the white sox have taken or given worse contracts than the sox have thus making you all the future evil empire..right?
also lets not forget the contract that the bosox gave manny and jd drew and david ortiz…some good ones there
all three of which earned the contracts given to them! Whats your arguement, that they were bad contracts, if thats so, you really are dumb!
JD is the only one I would agree with you on. Both Manny and Ortiz produced in all the years they plyed for the BoSox. Check the year by year stats and compare it to the other players round the league earning around the same. They are equal or better than all of them! You found Drew….ask any Sox fan, they would agree with you. Although he was a huge part of the 07 WS run, there isnt really anything else worth mentioning about Drew.
David Ortiz has been quite underpaid over the years for the numbers hes put up since 2003! And Manny was even a bargain and worth every penny for the numbers he put up! Dont feel bad that you were totally wrong on 2 out of 3 though!
Fangraphs even says JD Drew was worth every penny he got so youre actually 0 for 3! lol!
David Ortiz has been quite underpaid over the years for the numbers hes put up since 2003! And Manny was even a bargain and worth every penny for the numbers he put up! Dont feel bad that you were totally wrong on 2 out of 3 though!
their is not a chance in this lifetime the padres take on all that salary. you have to be more specific when you say “cash.” how much? 1dollar? 1million dollars? 10million dollars?
I REALLY REALLY REALLY wish Gonzalez and SD can work out an extension…It’s his hometown and he says he likes it there, I’m just hoping Hoyer gives him what he deserves.
Agon will not take a hometown discount. the padres can not afford him. they need to trade him for a couple of good prospects.
I don’t think they should trade him if it precludes them from making a run like they did in 2010. At least wait till the deadline.
I disagree. The rotation and bullpen that the Padres have will keep them in contention especially since they should get major league ready players back.
He was worth 5+ wins in 2010, that could be the difference in the ultra-tight NL West.
I’ll throw out a wild card out there, Jays? They have the prospects.
Cecil, Stewart, Thames, maybe one other piece for A-gonz? Thats a pretty good haul for the Pads IMO.
Thames? Really?
Gotta think Drabek would have to be involved.
Actually yeah I agree, swap out Thames. He’s not really perceived as a big prospect by BA. Sub in Arencibia?
And I don’t think the Jays would give up Drabek unless A-gonz signed an extension. Much like the Phils when they got Halladay.
Cecil, Stewart, Arencibia would be a quality offer. Cecil still has 4 years of team control left.
That would be a solid offer, agreed.
no, i don’t think drabek would have to be involved. not unless agonz signs an extension(which he won’t). i’m assuming they will be looking for bats in return. preferably middle infielders. Aaron hill might be a fit+ Rzep.
Yeah AGon wont be traded to the Sox for any combo of players because Theo isn’t going to give up young talent for a 1 year rental and no promise of an extension being signed. Just isn’t going to happen. Lets just put that one to bed.
I’m sure it would have to be contingent on a contract extension.
exactly
problem is Theo cant afford to wait a year! He works in Boston, and like the Yanks, he has to win now! he’ll trade something like Kelly, Lowrie, AND Rizzo for AGonz imo!
Why not set a price for Gonzales at two young starting pitchers in a sign-n-trade. Toronto maybe?
Is Sandy Alderson making Billie Bean’s front office staff? First J.P Ricciardi ( BB best friend) then Paul de Podesta…Kevin Towers on the list too?
Why not? JP Riccardi is someone that Sandy Alderson hired in Oakland back in the 80’s (along with Billy Beane, for that matter). Before it was Billy Beane’s staff, it was Sandy Alderson’s staff….
And he worked with DePo in San Diego when he was CEO there, probably on Beane’s recommendation.
As a Sox Fan I’d Rather Miggy or Prince, they fit in better to the Sox anyways, Now I feel like A Gon is too old even though he is only 28 you sign him to an 8 year contract your stuck with him till 36. If he was 26 or 27 I would of liked that a lot better. Call me weird but I’d rather take Fielder or Miggy who are both a couple years younger.
The only problem with this is that: 1. Cabrera isn’t available and 2. Fielder even though younger, will age a lot worse because of conditioning and will sooner rather than later be moved to full time DH. With Gonzalez you are also getting GG caliber defense.
Also, no way Boras is going to let Fielder sign an extension.
But will Fielder and Miggy even be able to bend over and pick up a grounder 8 years from now?
i know it would never happen because there in the same division, and personaly i want agon to stay in san diego for the rest of his carrer. i like the idea of teams keeping hometown players and it would make the whole league more competative.
wut would th giants have to give up for him? he would fit in real nice with the giants.
With the Giants being division rivals, they would have to over pay. They may be better off waiting and hoping that Gonzalez doesn’t sign an extension with whomever the Padres trade him to and just try to sign him as a free agent.
To OLD? are you flat out stupid?….His puts up great numbers playing in petco and with no one around him…since 2007,leads the majors in road HR’s….Miggy and Prince? Two fat players who get bigger every year. Agon is also a gold glover,
WORTH EVERY PENNY!!
No way Detroit trades Miggy.. They have a ton of money coming off the books this offseason. Prince isng much of a fit for Boston because he can hardly field a groundball. Boston is big on defense etc obviously whihc is why AGon is a perfect fit… of course just being a fit doesnt mean a trade will happen
As a Boston fan, I would love it if San Diego goes on a 30-win streak to start the season, and makes the playoffs so A-Gon doesn’t get traded and we can nab him in FA. xD Now, since that’s almost sure not to happen…I just hope if we -do- win the bidding, that we don’t overpay…meh.
All these guys who are starting with the “here come the horrible Red Sox offers” why dont you guys take a stab at a legit offer… you talk like Boston fans are the only ones who make proposals like these…
what would it take the angels to get Bell?
With Trout screaming through the minors would Bell and decent prospect for Aybar and Bourjos interest you guys?
Gonzalez and Bell to the Angels for T. Bell, Trout, Aybar, + 2 more mid prospects
One of those is also gonna have to be Hank Conger. The Angels would be unloading their system if they got A-Gon
He may sign and trade if he gets Texiera money.
Sigh… Fine.
RS get:
Adrian Gonzalez
Padres get:
Anthony Rizzo, Casey Kelly, Stolmy Pimentel, Josh Reddick, and Michael Bowden.
Even I don’t think that one would fly. Couldn’t tell you his name, but multiple people have stated that the Padres already have a blue chip first base prospect, Reddick has AAAA written all over him at this point and Bowden is effectively a bullpen arm in the future. For it to work, one would have to at the least switch out Rizzo for a single A, high upside player (Like Vitek, who I’m not willing to part with as yet) and switch out Reddick for a better outfielder who’s close to the majors (Likely Kalish, struggled in the majors this year, but he’s not all that far off, needs to work on his plate discipline).
Woah, I think we’re overvaluing Gonzalez here. He IS a tremendous player but we have to look at value as well as talent. You’re essentially trading for one year of Gonzalez then he signs some sort of deal for $22m/yr. His VALUE is less because he is going to make a boat load of money. Player talent straight up isn’t the only deciding factor here. Having so many players under cost control for 6 years is pretty valuable compared to 1 player under reasonable salary arrangements for 1 year.
I’m not saying I’d part with that as a Sox fan, but if I’m Hoyer, I’m not so sure I give up Gonzalez for less than maximum return with the amount of demand he could have. If the Sox could seriously get Gonzalez for the package Henry listed, I’d buy his plane ticket myself. And I’m not one of those people who thinks Kelly is a bust based off of some struggles in the AFL at age 20, but seriously, of those guys you have a potential FOR pitching prospect (And considering that has been consistently the Sox’ prime area of draft strength, I’m willing to let one go), a first baseman who would be organizationally useless with Gonzalez there, about our sixth or seventh best outfield prospect, a bullpen arm and Stolmy Pimental. That’s more quantity than quality and I can’t imagine Hoyer settling on a package like that.
What about AGon,Bell,Cabrera to ChiSox for Flowers,Beckham,Escobar and Jackson
The longer the Pads wait, the less they’re going to get for him, because he’s not going to sign any extensions once he’s that close to free agency. They may be better off taking the draft picks at the end of the year when he leaves.
The longer the Pads wait, the less they’re going to get for him, because he’s not going to sign any extensions once he’s that close to free agency. They may be better off taking the draft picks at the end of the year when he leaves.
realistically the Sox offer would have to be something like: Kelly, Rizzo, Reddick, and Lowrie. I might be willing to do that, though. I like Kelly but I feel like he won’t live up to the hype, he seems to get batted around a lot. Regardless he’s go great stuff. I feel like Anthony Rizzo is gonna be a good power bat one day and he seems to have good defense as well. However, if the Sox traded for Gonzalez and kept Rizzo, it would only block Rizzo from coming up because Gonzalez would be in his position. As for Reddick and Lowrie, they’re both good players, but they’d be the “fluff” of the deal, two mid level guys to push the deal along.
Jed Lowrie isn’t fluff…he’s going to be the starting SS or 3B next year. I also don’t understand why Rizzo couldn’t be a fit at DH.
Jed is good, but he hasn’t proven himself. He has yet to have a healthy season, and because of that, it would really shock me if he’s starting at SS or 3B. However, if Hoyer takes into consideration what Lowrie did at the end of last season and think he can bring that to the table everyday it would certainly sweeten the deal. Basically, Lowrie still has to prove he can stay healthy, that’s why I considered him fluff. Secondly, Rizzo is a great defender, you don’t bring a power hitting first basemen up just to use him as DH, it doesn’t make sense to use the power and not use the defense.
Youk is already working out at 3rd base and believe it or not Iglesias is going to be a september call up and full time SS for the sox, conveniently when Scutaro’s contract is up, hence bridge year, so Lowrie is going to be traded
I would trade those 4 for A.Gonz. It would be nice if we send could Anderson instead of Rizzo, but if had to be done..I’d do it.
I am as big a Red Sox fan as anybody, but I feel the fans and people in general take Youkilis at first base for granted. Yeah he is versatile, and can play third, but he is an all star and gold glove caliber first baseman. Keep Youkilis at first base, and try to resign Beltre. If Beltre walks (my best guess he does) then start Lowrie at third, and make up Beltre’s lost production in the outfield. My hope is that Gonzalez stays in San Diego. I feel like it is better for the sport to see a player of that magnitude who is so popular in that community to stay and finish his career there instead of having a bigger market team scoop him up.
Youkilis will be an average defensive third baseman, no gold glover, but he’ll make the plays and his bat will justify the dropoff. From there, with Iglesias coming up we won’t need the range of a guy like Beltre. As visually stunning as an infield of Beltre, Iglesias, Pedroia, Youkilis would be, I’d take the knock in defense at third (Gonzalez is an elite defender too) for that insane production at the corner spots we’d have in that infield.
The other thing people need to take into account (And believe me, it is painful for me to say this, he’s probably my favorite player right now), Youkilis is only under contract through 2013 and he’s going to be 32 going into this season. The way he plays, he could very well be looking at the tail end when his deal is up and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him move on. If you can get one of the top three first basemen in the game, you slide over the guy capable of playing third and get that first baseman.
I just cannot see Adrian Gonzalez being traded before the 2011 season. They’re just too offensively challenged to make such a deal, and they’re coming off a season where they contended down to the final game. That said, the Padres have to listen deals now to gauge the market for Gonzalez so that they will be prepared to move him if they find themselves in a position where they’re out of serious contention by the July 31 nonwaiver trade deadline.
To me, the much more interesting situation now is the bullpen. They’ve got Bell, Adams, Gregerson, Frieri, Mujica, and Webb as right-handed arms (I’ve got Stauffer penciled into the rotation) to complement the lefty Thatcher. So they could move Bell for a bat, and in so doing trim (or maintain) payroll but that will put the closing responsibilities into the hands of an unproven guy, most likely either Adams or Gregerson or Frieri. The other option would be to keep Bell and trade Frieri or Adams or Gregorson for a bat. I’m guessing that they’ll move Bell, given the financial ramifications especially if the bat reaped in return has a decent-sized pricetag attached to it.
My question is, are the Padres contenders or pretenders? Was 2010 a lucky season where the stars aligned or are they really good enough to win 95 games and the AL West convincingly. The Padres CAN get better than 2 draft picks if they trade him at the deadline but I think they can get more if they trade him before the season when teams are hopefull about their ability to compete in 2011.
I think that they almost have to keep him to start the season or risk alienating whats left of their fickle fan base. They had a shot at the playoffs all the way down to the final day and they were out front for most of the season. If they go out and deal away their 2 best players before the season starts they will be playing in front of even more empty seats then they are now.
But at the same time Hoyer would be an idiot not to listen and if he can get someone to overpay then make the deal otherwise the prudent move would be to go into the season with them but if they fall out of it early then make them available in early June as opposed to waiting til the last week of July.
They’ll still get a good package of guys because there are quite a few teams where he could fit. And you may have surprise contenders that are willing to outbid the big dogs for him. By waiting you will still have all the usual suspects that could be involved but if a team like Florida, Atlanta, or Oakland or some other fringe contender gets off to a hot start then you open up more teams to get into the bidding for him which could concievably drive the price up.
End result is that he should start the year with SD but 99% certain that he ends the year somewhere else.
I’m a Padre fan and unfortunately I think the stars were alligned last year. They played really well for most of the year, but when push came to shove they fell apart as everybody knows. Them playing so well last year puts Hoyer in a tough spot because fans now think they can contend, but they can’t. The rebuilding process was supposed to begin last year and I hope it now begins this year. I hope they deal Gonzalez and Bell this off season to maximize the return and build to become the NL’s version of the Rays.
Don’t sell your team short. Your guys are all a year more experienced now, you have young, solid pitching and your division is an absolute disaster area. The 2011 NL West is going to be one heck of a battle between the Giants, Padres and Rockies next year, by my reckoning.
I know it sounds silly, but I wish the Padres had played the way everyone, outside of Padre fans, thought they were going to play last season so we could get this rebuilding under way. Lets be honest, even if they keep Gonzalez and Bell this year and pick up a few spare parts and contend again next year, they aren’t going to extend Gonzalez and Bell anyway. Cut your loses now and who knows, if they bring in the right guys in the trades and with there pitching, they may be able to catch lightning in a bottle 2 years in a row. If not, they still have set themselves up for the better down the road. No fans are going to show up and watch them anyway, so Hoyer may as well go through with the original plan.
if the pads wait til mid-season for a trade, dont forget the sox have some nice prospects they just drafted.
From a Padres fan perspective, I think this article answers the AGon situation perfectly.
Considering our history in the draft, we are really left with but one option: trade now.
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best bet for red sox in my opinion is c-vmart 1b-youk 2b-pedroia ss-scutaro lowrie lf-werth cf=ellsbury rf-drew still a good lineup with fielder and adrian there likely gonna get one why not wait till there free agents and keep there good prospects trading for bell though would be smart bell and trade papelbon for a few prospects.sign downs or rauch.sorry but jeter is aging and same with posada plus once rivera does retire is when things get interesting cuz to me his is the teams mvp more than jeter posada pettiete over the years and I hate nyy more than most of you on here.no one can replace a guy like that once the time comes and he is gone for good
As far as boston goes i dont see them resigning Martinez and unless they blow SD away and overpay they wont get either AGon or Bell. They have picked up the option on Ortiz and it seems like until/unless they make a big trade they may end up with largely the same team as they had last year. They do need to upgrade LF and move Ellsbury back to CF but beyond Werth and Crawford there isnt much there.
Best bet is to go into this year and try and make your deal for Gonzalez and sign him to an extension but other than that ride through another year with what you have and go out next year and spend once Cameron, Drew, Ortiz, and Scutaro come off the payroll (a combined 38.75M)
Another name to watch if they look to a trade to upgrade their OF is Grady Sizemore. He eats up a lot of payroll in Cleveland and he could be a name thats available right around the winter meetings.
No way the Indians trade Sizemore. His value has never been lower. If they’re going to move him, they need to give him some time to reestablish his value.
Agreed. He’s Eric Byrnes 2.0.
Angels get: Adrian Gonzalez
Padres get: Mike Trout, Pete Bourjos, Mike Napoli
this deal only works if gonzalez agrees to an extension
this would give the padres back a decent bat at first base for 2011 so they can still potentially contend
i would take that trade in a heart beat but doubt it’ll happen because of trout possibly being untouchable.
Napoli’s going to make at least what Gonzalez is going to get in arbitration, and isn’t nearly as good of a first baseman as Gonzalez on offense OR defense. Why would the Padres even touch that deal?
On top of that, you’ve got two outfielders in there, a bit redundant, isn’t it?
Napoli obviously would not be a long term solution at 1B for SD, just a stopgap. You make this trade sound like a Napoli for Gonzalez swap, which would be ridiculous. Mike Trout would obviously be the centerpiece of this trade (although, like I said, Gonzalez would have to agree to an extension because the Angels would never give up Trout for a 1 year rental). Napoli would simply give the Padres a way to replace some of the production lost by Gonzalez temporarily. And the money wouldn’t be that big of an issue, since like you said Gonzalez and Napoli will make about the same next year. The Padres aren’t going to spend that money elsewhere, so there’s no reason they couldn’t spend it on Napoli (who they could potentially flip to a contender at the deadline if they’re not in contention themselves).
As for the two outfielders, both are highly rated prospects and San Diego needs outfield help. Ludwick will be gone after next year (not that he’s done much in San Diego) and the other outfield positions could certainly be upgraded as well. Bourjos is a great defender in center who hit well in the minors and Trout is one of the best prospects in the minors.
I can understand Trout might be the centerpiece of the deal, but Napoli being in the trade is useless. If the Padres trade Gonzalez, it’s because they’re blowing up and reloading for later, something that makes Napoli absolutely useless to them as opposed to a cheaper, younger prospect. In your scenario, they’re essentially trading Gonzalez for a single close to MLB ready outfielder and a high upside outfielder who’s at least two years off. The Padres could do MUCH better than that.
As just one example, the Sox could easily put up Kalish and Kelly plus without seeing much loss to their system. Kalish is a year younger than Bourjos (Almost to the day) and has put up a better OPS in equivalent time in the minors. Kelly’s had a rough patch in the AFL and AA at age 20, but he was borderline dominant in A/high A ball as a nineteen year old. A high upside pitching prospect beats a high upside outfield prospect in a deal where both players are a couple years off. From there, the Padres could essentially have their pick of pretty much anything 10-20 in the Sox system and have a better package than the Napoli/Trout/Bourjos package you suggested without the Sox having to strip their system.
Remember that the Red Sox are purposely playing Kelley at a higher level to challenge him and ,for 20 yrs old, his numbers werent too bad last year!
Your Kelly/Kalish/others package would be a good one, I’m not denying that. I still would argue that Trout is a better prospect that Kelly (and Baseball America would agree; check out their midseason top 25 prospects which had Trout ranked 2nd overall and Kelly ranked 24). Plus, the Padres need position players a lot more than they need pitching. They already have a solid young rotation behind Latos and Richard, and Simon Castro was great at AA this year. The Padres were 27th in wOBA this year however.
Also, regarding Napoli, Buster Olney writes that one of the reasons the Padres might not deal Gonzalez this off season is “ticket sales. After surprising success in 2010, the team doesn’t want to lose the trust of the fans by dealing their best player before the season.” That’s why I included Napoli in the deal. Napoli would at least be something Hoyer could show the fans to say that they haven’t completely given up on 2011 yet. However, if the Padres aren’t thinking along those lines and are ready to give up totally on 2011, then the Angels could substitute a younger prospect or two in place of Napoli.
Ultimately, the Red Sox have a deeper farm system Angels and could probably put together a better package. I was just providing an alternative scenario that doesn’t have Gonzalez going to the Sox, although that is probably the most likely scenario. Still, Gonzalez is a SoCal native and has stated that he loves living there and the Angels do have the money to sign him to an extension, so I think they have a legitimate shot at landing him.
Angels: Morales and Trout for Agon
Red Sox: Kelly, Ellsbury, Primtel, and Lowrie/Iglesis
O’s: Matusz, Jones, and Arrieta.
Dodgers: Kemp, Withrow, 2nd/ss prospect
Giants: Bumgarner, Belt, Sandoval