The Braves landed one of baseball's most powerful second basemen today, acquiring Dan Uggla from the division rival Marlins for utility man Omar Infante and lefty reliever Mike Dunn.
Uggla, 31 in March, had another fine season in 2010 with a .287/.369/.508 line in 674 plate appearances. Uggla is one season away from free agency, and extension talks with the Marlins broke off after he rejected a four-year, $48MM offer. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports feels that the Braves will attempt to sign him long-term. Martin Prado will step in at third base as Chipper Jones recovers from knee surgery or log innings in left field if necessary, tweets Rosenthal. Uggla should be happy to remain at second base.
Infante, a super-utility type, hit .321/.359/.416 in 506 plate appearances for the Braves this year. He's under contract through 2011 at $2.5MM with another possible $1MM in plate appearance incentives. The loss may put the Braves in the market for a utility player, writes MLB.com's Mark Bowman. Dunn, 26 in May, is a hard-throwing left-handed reliever who came to Atlanta from the Yankees a year ago in the Javier Vazquez deal. Dunn racked up big-time strikeout and walk numbers this year between Triple-A and the Majors. The intra-division asking price for Uggla was expected to be large, but this is a disappointing return for the Marlins. They have succeeded in revamping their bullpen for the long-term, adding Ryan Webb, Edward Mujica, Dustin Richardson, and Dunn in recent trades.
The Cardinals, Blue Jays, Nationals, and Tigers were other reported suitors for Uggla.
ESPN's Jerry Crasnick broke news of the agreement on Twitter, and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports and Mark Bowman of MLB.com provided updates as the story developed.
Wow. Not bad for the Braves.
This is going to sound crazy, but I think this is a perfectly even deal. Perfectly even
Thank you SPAN. This addresses two of the Marlins big needs.
Not spending money and pissing off fans?
LOL!
Stop acting like they didn’t offer him a contract. They offered him a very fair contract for both sides and he declined.
Calm down, I was just making a joke.
I’m calm, but your joke is old and out played. And not true in this case.
You’re being very unDude. He was joking and yes it was funny. Lighten up Francis.
Calmer than you are.
Phone’s ringing, dude.
Calmer than you are.
Next we should trade Hanley to the Phillies and sign Hee Seop Choi to be our shortstop. $150mil for 10 years sounds good to me
did you read how they offered him more than 4/48 but he demanded much much more? ridiculous
yes, but nothing would have been ridiculous about going to arbitration and trading him at the deadline or getting 2 draft picks. 2 draft picks > Infante & Dunn
2 draft picks (because we know all draft picks make it to the bigs in baseball) are better than 2 guys that can make an impact on the team now? This is not rocket science, the Marlins have a need and they are attempting to fill that need, the Braves needed a power bat.
I really don’t understand why so many people are cracking jokes about this trade. Just the other day most of you were omg lol Uggla is such a hack at 2nd base, he’s not even that good when you factor in defense. Then you guys talk about how he’s getting older and his #’s are going to decline… now it’s like he’s this gold mine that is irreplaceable. The Marlins get a younger and better defensive 2nd baseman and that’s a bad thing. Ok, sure. They weren’t going to get much for a guy going into his last year of arbitration.
I NEVER said Uggla would decline. He is getting better every year and us worth 16Mil a season. His defense is fine. Hanley is much worse, and most of his errors were trying to turn double plays that hanley screwed up. Infante is nothing more then an expensive bench player. Plus we were offered better deals from EVERY other team, including a top 100 pitching prospect. You will find out just how stupid your post is by the end of the season.
It’s amazing how a change of uniform can effect one’s image of another player. He is our legitimate right handed power threat now…and thank goodness we didn’t have to get rid of Prado. Now our main concern is addressing the needs at center and/or our platoon in rightfield. Our infield is intact…my main concern is whether or not our new hitting coach can get McClouth back to his old ways.
I think, if we can sign him, the Braves got the better end of this deal. Great job Wren. The first outta the box, at least we know Wren is trying and is doing his homework. Gotta love it.
you must be implying that the braves could possibly move heyward to center if neccesary, bc there will be no platoon if heyward stays in right.
Oh wait, Infante is HALF A YEAR YOUNGER THAN UGGLA! You’re right. Awesome trade for the Marlins.
I dig your math skills. A 28 year old is a half a year younger than a 30 year old. How long did it take you to figure that out? I think Uggla’s defense is underrated, but most people will tell you he’s a hack at 2nd base. But.. really, Hanley is the one that gives Uggla errors? Amazing set of math and reasoning skills.
2 draft picks (because we know all draft picks make it to the bigs in baseball) are better than 2 guys that can make an impact on the team now? This is not rocket science, the Marlins have a need and they are attempting to fill that need, the Braves needed a power bat.
I really don’t understand why so many people are cracking jokes about this trade. Just the other day most of you were omg lol Uggla is such a hack at 2nd base, he’s not even that good when you factor in defense. Then you guys talk about how he’s getting older and his #’s are going to decline… now it’s like he’s this gold mine that is irreplaceable. The Marlins get a younger and better defensive 2nd baseman and that’s a bad thing. Ok, sure. They weren’t going to get much for a guy going into his last year of arbitration.
Really? that’s all it took?
I’m not sure why this is surprising. Uggla’s got massive power for a 2B, but his glove is putrid. He’s also only under team control for one year. And, he’s arb-eligible, so he’s going to get paid $10-12 million for that one season.
I’m not sure the Fish could have gotten much more for Uggla than what they got. Infante is under team-control for one season at $2.25 million, and Dunn is under team control for four more years (I think). That’s not a bad return on a one-year rental of a good, but not great, 2B, who’s going to get paid eight figures and might leave when the year’s done. Yes, in a vacuum, Dan Uggla for Infante & Dunn sounds like highway robbery; but we’re not in a vacuum, and taking each player’s contract situation into consideration, this deal isn’t as uneven as everyone is making it out to be.
If Uggla was signed to a team-friendly long-term deal, then I’d agree that the Fish got robbed. As it stands, I’m not sure I understand all the “that’s all it took?” talk. All the Braves got was a 2B who’s going to get paid about his value next season, and the exclusive right to negotiate an extension with him over the next year…
This reminds me of the Johan Santana trade — no one understood why the Twinkies couldn’t get more, but when you deal a guy who’s about to get paid massive bucks the year before he hits free ageny, you generally don’t get a ton back in return.
while your reasoning dissmisses all of us the opportunity to make bad-trade jokes, yours might also be the most logical argument
I apologize for being a killjoy. I enjoy bad trade jokes as much as the next guy.
There is a thread about the Dodgers’ Dotel deal a few pages back.
They would have gotten more for him if they just kept him one more year and offered him arbitration when he left.
I’m not sure that’s right, but I’m not totally clear on how free-agent comp works either.
First, it assumes that the free-agent comp system stays the same next season, which it might not. Second, if they’d kept Uggla, they would have (1) had to pay him $12 million next season, (2) gotten a first- or second-round 2012 draft pick if they offered him arb (and he didn’t accept) and another team signed him.
So, what would you rather have: (1) Mike Dunn (under team control for four years and a known commodity) and Omar Infante (a cheap replacement 2B under control for one year, and a known commodity) or (2) a first-round draft pick, next year, after paying Uggla $12 million this season…
I’m not sure #2 is the better option, especially for a team like the Fish.
It would have been a 1st rounder (probably) and a pick between rounds 1 and 2.
That being said, The Marlins would have been committed to about $14M had they kept Uggla and signed the draft picks. At some point a team needs to try to win now, while the picks would have been nice long term, this is more of a sure thing and they can realize the benefits immediately. Now, if the Marlins turn a portion of Uggla’s money to the draft (say an extra $3M), then this could be better than keeping Uggla as this may be the last draft where teams can go overslot and the comp picks wouldn’t have been until the 2012 draft.
Ahh… Type A’s still get two picks. A first-rounder and a supplemental?
For some reason, I thought they’d gotten rid of one of the comp picks for Type A’s, so teams only got one pick if they lost a Type A.
You’re probably thinking of type B’s. Type A’s cost the signing team their 1st round pick (unless their record was in the bottom 15 in baseball, then they lose their 2nd rounder) and the team losing the player gets that pick in addition to a sandwich round pick (between rounds 1 and 2). Of course there are exceptions to this such as if multiple type A’s are signed, but this is it in it’s most basic form.
Type-A status would get Braves draft picks. So the 10-12 is more like 5-7 mil. Draft picks worth 5 mil.
I get you’re reasoning, but I still thought the Marlins were gonna get more talent. Mike Dunn tops at setup man/specialist, and while I love Infante and admire the job he did this year, I don’t think he’ll match this season ever again. Braves finally get a right handed power hitter to bat between Chipper and McCann. And Uggla loves to hit in Turner field 1051 OPS in over 50 games. Braves get a replacement for Chipper when he retires because Prado can play 3B. 5 yrs 58 million do it Wren.
Yeah — seems the Marlins went the safe & sure route (lowish-upside Dunn and no-upside Infante) instead of more of a high-upside route. Then again, maybe nobody was offering high-upside for one year of Uggla.
I absolutely 100% agree that this deal makes the Braves offense more potent next season; replacing Conrad/Infante with Uggla’s a huge upgrade.
I don’t think the Braves get Uggla to sign for 5 yrs, $58 million. I think there was a message just posted a second ago on MLBTradeRumors front page saying Uggly turned down a five-year, $71 million deal from the Fish. Possible he just had no desire to stay in Florida, and that he’d take less from the Braves. But, I think you’ll need to approach five years $65 million (minimum) to keep him, and probably need to match that last (alleged) offer from the Marlins.
“This reminds me of the Johan Santana trade — no one understood why the Twinkies couldn’t get more”I’ll tell you why they couldn’t get more: they overplayed their hand.I remember the Twins demanding top prospects from both the Red Sox and the Yankees. (Not just one but MANY) The Twins wouldn’t bulge and they waited until the last minute to trade Santana.(They waited until after the season was over.) By then, the Red Sox and Yankees wouldn’t budge. Also, the Twins overvalued what the Mets offered.Uggla is not a good fielder but Infante isn’t great either. Uggla posted 5 WAR last season and averages about 3-4 WAR a season. Infante’s BEST season (last season) was worth 2.7 WAR. Before that, he never posted a WAR above 2. Mike Dunn is your ubiquitous high potential/bad command relief pitcher. He posted a sweet ERA last era but pitched only 19 innings and had a walk rate of 8.1 per 9 innings. That ERA won’t last if he keeps walking that many.I understand the Marlins have a budget but I still think they should have done better. I’m not even sure if those two are worth just the draft picks alone that Uggla would have net the team.
Infante was worth 2.2 WAR in 04, the only other season in which he had more than 440 PA’s, last year he posted 2.9. Other than one down year in DET he’s prouduced well given limited AB’s. Uggla on the other hand was a 3.7 WAR. I wouldnt say he averages 3-4 WAR a year, if you take all five of his years he’s been worth 14.9 WAR, LESS than 3
I used Fangraphs WAR numbers; not baseball reference’s WAR numbers.
he’s going to make about 10mil next year…he is worth about 16mil/yr.
also, i’m pretty sure Matt Holiday was a one year rental and plays horrible defense and the Rockies got CarGo and Houston Street.
hmmm. Cargo and Street or Infante and Dunn? which is better
Dan Uggla is no Matt Holliday. Holliday has posted 4 consecutive seasons superior to Uggla’s finest one. Holliday does not play horrible defense, either. It is true that the Rockies absolutely made off like bandits on that trade, though. Beane’s all-time worst.
I’m not saying Uggla is as valuable as Holliday, but it’s closer then some people think. If i’m not mistaken, Holliday hasn’t had ONE 30hr season since he left Coors Field.
Secondly, it’s much more rare to find a secondbaseman who can hit like Uggla, then it is to find an outfielder who hits like Holliday.
No, it just isn’t very close.
Uggla has averaged less than 4 WAR per season since coming into the league. He is a fine hitter at a position where power is hard to come by, but that is offset by his very poor fielding. Scouting reports, UZR, the naked eye, etc. all confirm this.
To say Holliday hasn’t had one 30 HR season since leaving Coors is just to cherry pick a counting stat. Over the same 5 year period as Uggla’s career Matt has averaged an additional 2 WAR per season. 4 WAR players are very solid assets to a team. 6 WAR players are elite.
Do you think Braves have a chance of getting Matt Kemp?
DOB said it wasn’t don’t yet.
Loved what Dunn did this past year and was looking forward to seeing him develop in the future. I think he will do very well in Florida.
Obviously a sell high on Infante.
So glad we got Uggla. Now it’s time to go get Justin Upton for CF!
Justin Upton doesn’t play CF and you don’t have the pieces to pull it off (unless you’re giving up Teheran, Prado and Delgado)> Just because you assaulted one GM doesn’t mean you’ll run riot.
What are you talking about we have the best pitching depth in the MLB we can give Arizona what they want. Teheran won’t be involved. JJ and our other prospects should get it done.
Well the Braves system is lightyears better than the Jays, so yes they have the pieces.
Jays system is top 10 in baseball. Braves are top 5. I fail to see how that’s light-years but please make it about my team since you have nothing else to argue for.
Braves are better but Jays look good too. Well put.
Prospects=payroll.
Prospects=the future.
With a middle of the range payroll, Wren is stocking up on pitching…kinda like buying gold right now. Everything he does might not be perfect but he is definitely a hard worker and I think, like DOB, he should be the executive of the year.
Thats what they said about the Braves getting Uggla.
The Braves DEFINITELY have enough, it’s a top three farm system.
I’d include Delgado as a center piece max. Nobody from the big team, and no Beachy or Minor.
Id throw in beachy, he is by no means untouchable. And where would we have room for him in 2012? Hanson/Jurrjens/Minor/Teheran/Viscaino
I doubt dunn or infante would have been the peices to put an upton trade over the edge, the braves still have the best farm in terms of matching up with the dbacks
I feel like the Marlins are run akin to that giant decision wheel in Congress in the Margaritaville episode of South Park.
*little plastic trumpet noises*
GO TO WAR!
Wow. Seems like the Braves get a good deal here. Kinda bummed the Tigers didn’t get more aggressive in their pursuit of him if that’s the price they had to pay to get him.
“Seems like the Braves got a good deal” is like saying “Seems like Adam Dunn has above average power.”
You said it best. 🙂
What on EARTH are the Marlins doing?
Being retarded.
mailing in next season, just waiting for the new comish to step in (soon right?) and end the missery that is the marlins ownership, those people dont deserve to own a team and that city does not deserve a team, either get them to sell and move it or contract the team and move them your self MLB…..i would bet we start to hear the hanley rumors with in the next 2 years same with josh johnson…
as a Braves fan, I sure hope you are right about hearing rumors of JJ and Hanley being moved in the next few years. I do not look forward to those guys coming to town ever. Leave my division and leave it fast!
as a Braves fan, I sure hope you are right about hearing rumors of JJ and Hanley being moved in the next few years. I do not look forward to those guys coming to town ever. Leave my division and leave it fast!
the problem is not the fans. we support the team, but refuse to support the ownership. that’s why the Marlins have one of the highest t.v. rating but attendance is so low….no one wants Loria to get any money.
Incredible. Just incredible. Mazel tov to the Braves.
Worse trade of the off-season.
Letting him walk via Type A would have yeild more value.
Its like trading Bill Hall and Scott Achison to the Yankees for Cano ! Lol..
Wholly cow! Uggla for a reliever and a utility guy? Talk about a smooth move by the Braves!
Where the hell was my Angels on that one?
because he isn’t expensive enough for the Angels.
they’d rather spend Moreno’s millions on a name, as in a Carl Crawford when they could have easily made a deal like the A’s did for David Dejesus — a similar enough player that would allow them to spread their money around
their all-in-for-one free agent signings haven’t added up to what they’ve been trying for, as in another WS
(in that respect they are still the old California Angels. ‘Sign Reggie! sign Baylor! sign any name!)
DeJesus is nothing like Crawford.In the last 4 years DeJesus has had ONE season with more than 3 WAR. Over that same time Crawford has gotten to 3 WAR or more in 3 years. The only season he didn’t was due to injuries. Crawford’s last two seasons were at 5.7 and 6.9 WAR. Crawford is elite, DeJesus is reliable. The Angels already have guys who could easily put up as good of numbers as DeJesus (Rivera and Abreu). What they are looking for is a true impact player.That said, I’m surprised that they couldn’t muster a deal better than what Florida accepted. I would have brought Uggla over, let him play for half a season and see how he does. If the AL suits him then you talk about his 5 year deal. If he is just OK – you let him walk and collect your draft picks. For $10m this year Uggla seems like a pretty safe bet.
why get a Dan Uggla when you can spend millions more an Adrian Beltre?
why get DeJesus when you can pay Rivera the same for being a righty depth bat?
why get someone who can hit Top 3 slots and play defence when you are paying $9M for a doubles-hitter who plays DH defence?
Why do fans care about a teams pay roll when it is almost unlimited (like the Angels)
Note that Vin Mazzaro is a lot more valuable that giving up just a pick for Crawford as well.
Because Dan Uggla can’t field any position.
Because Rivera actually has a couple of solid years as a starter and 100+ MLB HR’s under his belt. It’s not like his contract is a burden either.
Everyone seems to believe the Angels’ are hell-bent on getting Crawford, so I really don’t see what you’re getting at with your last point.
I didn’t know that the asking price for a star second baseman within the division was a reliever and a utility player
wow
does this mean that teams can get josh johnson for a 4th outfielder and a middle of the rotation starter?
yes
absolute steal for ATL
Please tell me a extension is coming.
I wouldn’t want to extend him yet to be completely honest. He wants big bucks. I wanna see how he does in ATL before we give him fair FA market value on a contract. There is nothing wrong with letting him play the season, then extend him at fair value after the season, because you still have the opportunity to let him walk and take the draft picks if it doesn’t work out.
You understand there are pros and cons to this. Let him play out the season, have a monster season, and decline all extensions to test the FA waters. Give him an extension now at a good value, don’t worry about it in a year.
what is the con to that? they gave up nothing to get him….
The con is that if he puts up another monster season (900+ OPS) his asking price won’t be 5/$56 … he could easily be looking for $15m/year. That’s a pretty big difference.
When has Dan Uggla ever put up more than a 900 OPS? Who is giving a long term deal to an aging 2B with a poor glove for 15+ million a year?
What a ridiculous comment.
Jason Bay says, “Hi”
In my opinion there are absolutely no cons to not giving him an extension now.
He was demanding what he thought he could get as a FA with the Marlins. He is going to demand that from us. Why would you give that to him now as opposed to in 12 months after he has proved himself in ATL?
If he wants too much…he leaves, you get two draft picks, which in all likelihood will end up with more upside than what the Braves gave up to get him.
There’s no downside to not signing him. They wont do it.
You shouldn’t be so sure that he will just explode in ATL. He could also turn in a pedestrian season that would lower his market value. That is the con to signing an extension now. The Braves have other players who, IMO, should be of much higher priority than Uggla as far as extensions go.
Uggla wants 5 yrs guaranteed. If we get Upton it won’t hurt much to see Uggla walk because Upton is locked up for like 5 yrs I think.
you aren’t getting Upton…
3/18 for John frickin Buck
2 relievers for Cameron Maybin
A utility player and a LOOGY for Dan Uggla
LOL MARLINS
Dunn will be a good one, he was quite impressive in the innings he logged for the braves, im actually more saddened by his departure than infantes
He’s a non closing reliever!!!
Thats worth max 3 million on the open market.
He’s still a LOOGY. At best he will account for a few wins over the course of the 4 years the Marlins have him.
Dunn definitely doesn’t fit the profile of a LOOGY. He’s got a 95ish fastball and tends to be extremely wild (I’m not surprised the Braves sought to move him because having Dunn and Kimbrel in the same bullpen would have given Gonzalez ulcers by May). He’d be a good fantasy sleeper for 2011 as he could rack up a lot of saves if things break favorably for him (and not so favorably for Leo Nunez).
Call the cops Wren robbed em!
Quote of 2010.
Now you like the trade? Funny because 15 minutes ago you posted this: “I rather have Infante and Dunn. That trade would possibly be worse than the Teixeira trade.”
I still don’t like the trade, but it’s still a steal for Wren.
So it’s a steal for Wren but it’s worse than giving up Neftali Feliz, Jarrod Salty and Elvis Andrus? Could your post make any less sense?
And, out of the Teixeira trade who did anything for the Rangers? Feliz.
I forgot Elvis Andrus is and will continue to be trash.
Then, I must be seeing different numbers than everyone else. His numbers are HORRIBLE!
I’d love to have a “HORRIBLE” shortstop with elite level defensive skills steal 65 bases for my team before he turns 22.
Hahahahaha
You know baseball is more than just BA right? Esp when you are talking about an elite defensive shortstop whos very young and controllable.
Have you been drinking again?
I’m just a raging alcoholic.
Clueless.
Clueless.
Justsayin’: 24 hours ago you thought the Jays should give them Lind, JPA and Mark Wordsoup for Uggla and Nunez.
Maybe don’t be such a dick all the time?
Hi, have you met Elvis Andrus? He’s pretty decent.
elvis is amazing dude. i dont kno what series u watched
Elvis Andrus is giving you the finger somewhere.
oh and there is that burgeoning shortstop superstar Elvis…
I wouldn’t exactly say Andrus did “nothing” for the Rangers.
I don’t know if you noticed, but that Andrus guy is kind of good. As an Angel fan, I wish Wren would have realized that.
Oh well, I’ll have an outfield that looks something like: Bourjos, Trout, Hunter/Crawford to cheer for soon enough.
Wasnt andrus an all star? ANd great during the post season?
Andrus was an all star SS for the league hat featured Derek Jeter average numbers as the starter. Andrus is solid – good speed and defense, but bat isn’t spectacular. He’ll, he barely gets on base.
Andrus just finished his 21-year-old season. Most guys are working their way into the bigs at that point. He’s been a starter for two full years.
He’s got the tools to be the best defensive shortstop since Omar Vizquel and with a little base running work, he could easily swipe 40+ bags. Sure, he doesn’t hit for power and his on base skills are lacking, but, again, he just finished his 21-year-old season. Give him a break. Anyway, his .342 OBP in 2010 was above the league average (.335), and there’s certainly room to grow.
.342 OBP. Yea he barely gets on base.
exactly, .342 is pretty good. Better than A-Rod and Jeter
Mark Redman was an allstar once
There is a difference in being an all-star on a team with Hamilton, Perez, Young, etc…and being an all-star on a team that can’t pitch, hit, run, field, lousy fundamentally, and the butt of many MLB jokes.
Well saved the Rangers money. They got an everyday SS in Andrus, and they got minor leaguers for Salty. I think Texas won looking at the fact that Andrus and Feliz helped them get to the WS.
Andrus is a defensive speedster. And, I admitted a long time ago Rangers won that trade. By the way, tell your buddies around here to stop getting upset over my true statements.
And stop getting upset over ours.
Please show me one I got upset over?
HAHA let me ask you the same. I’m responding to your statement:
And, out of the Teixeira trade who did anything for the Rangers? Feliz.
And that I think differently than you. Get over it.
first you must make “true” statements
Andrus has horrible offensive numbers. What part of that isn’t true?
265 BA. Not horrible. 88 runs. Not horrible. 32 SB. Not horrible. .342 OBP. That’s horrible. Yea.
here’s the deal. Andrus fits in well with the Rangers because there are plenty of good bats in that lineup to help carry that offense. He gets on base, plays good D, and can run. His .643OPS wouldnt help ATL since they need offensive RH upgrades
And they got that with Alex Gonzalez! Or not.
Uh. yeah Elvis is one of the best upcoming shortstops in the league. yeah.
I think Andrus did pretty well *shrug*
Not sure if Wren was the GM then, but these complete steal of trades they have been pulling off the last few years seem to have made up for the Teixeira trade. Uggla, Jurrjens, Vazquez (even if it was only one year), and the trades to get rid of Francoeur and Escobar haven’t turned out poorly either.
Escobar for Gonzalez was terrible. Not saying Wren is a a bad GM, because I honestly don’t think that’s true, but Gonzalez is a barely above replacement level player who’s on the wrong side of the 30, and would probably benefit from pitch recognition lessons from Jeff Francouer he’s so awful. That for a player who lead the team in WAR the previous season, all because he was a “cancer”, a story that doesn’t seem corroborated anywhere except for Bobby Cox’s attitude, a 100 year old crone who doesn’t like anyone who doesn’t play baseball the “Bobby Cox way.”
Yeah, yeah. “But all the players gave Gonzalez a standing ovation hurr.” Maybe they were just welcoming a new player? What were they supposed to do? Hide in the dark and jump him when he walked in the locker room for the first time?
Although I personally wish they would do that, so that he couldn’t suck it up on the field any more than he already does.
I wasn’t taking in account who they got back in the Francoeur and Escobar trades, just saying that it was good that they got rid of Escobar’s attitude and Francoeur’s OBP. Although I agree that he should have gotton more for Escobar.In regards to the “cancer”, I don’t believe it was a “cancerous” attitude per se, but he did seem to dog it and not try sometimes, not quite Manny or Hanley Ramirez style, but he definitely could have given a lot more effort.
And I think Wren is actually one of the handful of good GMs in the league.
Both of the trades Wren made this last season were awful. Gregor Blanco is not a world beater but he would have been so much more useful than Ankiel. And we would still have him for a few more years.
I didnt like the royals trade, but to be honest the jays trade didnt bother me that much, every time i saw escobar come to bat i wanted to punch him in the face. We got tim collins and pastornicky out of it (Though the ss isnt proven he was tearing up the afl, and we threw away the best part of that deal in collins to the royals) But Gonzalez could have hit 1 hr and still been better than what escobar was doing for us. It was obvious he didnt want to be in atl and nobody wanted him in atl.
Awful trade
Awful trade
Bad move.
Good move!!!
Where does he play? If 2B, where does Prado play?
Waterboy.
Prado probably slides over to 3B (Chipper’s return is no guarantee) or LF. It’s not been a great offseason for the Marlins…
Put Chipper back in LF!!!!
why do you even want chipper anymore???
good OBP and still a presence in the lineup. He needs to be in the two hole next season. Chipper was swinging the bat well when he got injured too. 1.304OPS in August. He may not officially be done just yet
A .385 OBP
He’ll go to LF most likely, and be backup to 3b.
Read the post. 3B
I posted this before it was in the post
wow, heck of a deal. what were the marlins thinking?
Uggla and his agent should take notice of this. If this is all the Marlins could get out of him, it’s obvious no one sees him as a second baseman, and also no one believes he is worth the money he turned down from the Marlins. No one seen him as a long term solution. Still a nice deal for the Braves even as a 1 year rental.
Either that or the Marlins GM just isn’t very bright.
Very possible. I’m really dissapointed the Cards did not get in on this. This is just weird.
Same here, bud.
There isn’t a snow balls chance in hell that this was the best deal offered for Uggla. I mean no chance… He’s going to be a type A for heavens sake
A first round draft pick and a supplementary round pick are worth more then infante and dunn
Not so sure. The Marlins aren’t going to get a top prospect for one guaranteed year of Uggla’s services, and surely they don’t want to take on salary in the trade seeing that they’re planning to give Buck $6M a year. Two major-league-ready players is about what I’d expect them to get. In Infante, they’ve got a guy who’s earned the right to be an everyday 2B based on solid play at multiple positions over the last 3 seasons, and he’ll be affordable as a potential extension candidate for them after 2011. In Dunn, they’ve got a sleeper closer to more likely set-up guy with a 95 mph fastball and a wild streak that if tamed could yield big returns for several years at minimal cost.
And there are no guarantees with the free agent compensation. They’d only get the #16ish to #30+ish 1st round draft pick if the Uggla-signer finished in the top half of MLB teams in 2011 (and that team didn’t also sign a Type A with a higher ranking than Uggla). If a lower-finishing club signed him (or the higher finishing club also signed a Type A ranked higher than Uggla), then they’d just get a 2nd round pick (probably somewhere in the #70 to #90 overall range) to go along with their supplemental round selection.
and the winner for dumbest thought ever posted about baseball goes to…..
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Wow daylight robbery….Allstar 2nd baseman thats hit 30 Hr’s a year gets given away for nothing LOL
Gotta love those Marlins, John Buck is the Gary Mathews Jr of Catchers
All-star and Uggla don’t exactly have the most positive connotations…
Also Omar Infante is an All-star!! So is John Buck!! Let’s just stop using the word shall we?
See: 2008 All-Star Game. Dan Uggla’s defense = fail.
Uggla and Brooks Conrad should get along pretty well.
The Marlins and Rays are competing to see who can have the emptier stadium in 2011. I think the Marlins might edge the Rays, what a horrible trade.
what an absolute fleecing. you would think someone could have offered up a utility type and a LOOGY…
I don’t get it either.. it just doesnt make sense unless….wait wait wait
This just in…
The Marlins trade Omar Infante and Mike Dunn to the Cardinals in exchange for Colby Rasmus..
Why does everyone keep calling Dunn a loogy? And Infante is probably the best utility man in the league plus he batted between .290 and .320 the last three years
is your user name spelt wrong on purpose?
LOOGY = lefty one out guy
In other words a left handed reliever who is mainly used to get tough lefty hitters out
His career line is .274/.319/.395.
That’s pretty awful.
Uggla will hit 36HR this season.
His career line is .274/.319/.395.
That’s pretty awful.
Uggla will hit 36HR this season.
I dunno, there might be some genius at work here. I mean, they are overdue for their 7 year WS triumph!!!!
This is why no one goes to Marlins’ games.
this is why i am not for a while. bleeping marlins!
Seriously, don’t
This can’t be anything more than a salary dump for the Marlins. Someone tell me where else they win in this deal.
wat a steal! for a super utility and a loogy? dam
And to think the Marlins are getting a new stadium…
…. in Portland
Average attendance at PGE Park for Portland Beavers games was around 5,000. Hardly anyone shed a tear when the Beavers got kicked out in favor of MLS. I know you’re just saying the Marlins should move, but Portland can’t support Major League Baseball.
gotta be honest xub, it was a total joke I did no research, I have no clue why Portland came to mind.. perhaps i should have said Vegas, Vancouver, Montreal, not sure where else to be honest
Technically, the Riverside/San Bernardino is the most populous urban area without a baseball team of its own, at 4.1m inhabitants. Though most are Dodgers and Angels fans, naturally.
Followed by –
Portland 2.2m
Sacramento 2.1m
Orlando 2m
San Antonio 2m
Las Vegas 1.9m
San Jose 1.8m
Columbus 1.8m
Charlotte 1.7m
Indianapolis 1.7m
Austin 1.7m
Still, Miami is far bigger than any of those.
And Portland has by far the highest percentage of kooks of all those towns, which explains why baseball has failed there and why the Blazers won’t be there in say 10 years.
i always thought vancouver should have a team. baseball is huge there, only canadian teams that can keep up in the south. Its a pretty big and world class city.. it would take away from seattles fan base but meh
fox sports says it isn’t done yet, there is another team competing. maybe i am just holding onto false hope.
where do you see that? this is one of the worst Marlins trades in history
they took it down, said it was final
Now you know why the jays weren’t going to give up Snider or Drabek, as you said over and over again it would take.
And this is why I know that Marlins fans are a myth.
Source/link if possible?
Wow I wish Boston wouldve tried harder for him. It wouldve proabably taken lowrie, Anderson, reddick. Then we couldve put him at either 1st, 3rd base, or OF.
It’s funny the Braves acquire [one of] the worst defensive second baseman after the game Brooks Conrad had in the NLDS.
eggggsszactly
3.8WAR 30HR/100RBI makes up for some bad D
Trading him to a rival, smartest move ever.
In fairness to your stupid GM, he is a one year rental in a year I’m assuming the Marlins don’t expect to be serious contenders, so trading within the division isn’t the worst thing ever.
Wow
how ironic would it be if Uggla ended up signing back with Florida in the offseason(next year) when he finds out no one wants to give up 5 guarantee years.
That’s the only way I’ll stop vomiting blood.
The marlins will still have to give up a pick to resign him!
It’ll likely be a 2nd rounder if that makes you feel any better…
why would it likely be a second rounder ?
Because the Marlins would finish in the bottom 15
not with the additions of dunn and infante
So, Prado to LF I guess? Assuming Chipper’s healthy anyway.
Don’t follow the division much… but knowing how terrible Uggla’s defense is, wouldn’t it make more sense to stick him out in LF instead? Or is Prado mediocre defensively as well?
the cardinals could have at least pulled this off
Frank Wren is God.
Whoot
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!
You’ve got to be kidding me! Not only shouldn’t we have traded him; but if we were going to, we sent him packing for OMAR INFANTE!?!?!? I am dumbfounded. Why? I WANT to be a Marlins fan, but I’m afraid that if I were to tell the Front Office that I want to be a fan, but I want the team to win, I might get traded to the Nationals for a jersey with “Natinals” written across the front.
I can’t believe my team just did this.
Now taking applications for Braves fans. 🙂
Prado will likely play LF. He plays there in winter ball and has said that he wouldn’t mind moving there.
PLease, please, please LET this be true.
So who will we trade to fill out the rotation? Mike Stanton? Logan Morrison?
Hanley and Stanton for Dicek?
Dice-K AND a candy bar.
The Marlins would have to throw in Johnson if it was a snickers
Mike Stanton for Kyle Farnsworth.
Logan Morrison for the deferred money on Manny Ramirez’ contract and John Ely
Marlins = FAIL!
EPIC FAIL
Bwhahahahhahahahaaha…that’s all i got to say
The Jays couldn’t get Uggla, but after this trade, I think the Marlins might be dumb enough to give up Josh Johnson for a package of Jeremy Accardo and Miguel Olivo. Talk about highway robbery by the Braves. Good on em. The Marlins deserve to suck with moves this retarded.
So let see we get Uggla the best hitter on the fish.A guy who has alt of Power A guy who can hit 30 HR in a season and get over 100 RBI in season.For a guy in Omar a good Hitter But does not have the Kind of Power that Uggla has.Also Dunn a decent Pitcher. When he is on he was very good .But he was off he would give up runs walk runner etc.People have look back at the Tex trade and have said we gave up way too much.I think Fish fan if there is any Fish fans.Have to say to themselves our team trade away a great hitter and we got back not to much
Hanley Ramirez is the best hitter on the Fish, but yeah, that doesn’t change the fact that the Braves took Florida to the cleaners on this one.
HRam is the best hitter on the fish.
Wonder if he might be next. Better check his contract status.
Hahahahaha. Marlins are early favorites for worst off-season.
I agree
It’s seriously hard to not continue to just keep bashing the Marlins organization over and over. I feel like the Sox could have said, “Hey, we’ll trade you back Andrew Miller and throw in season tickets to the Red Sox for 2011.” and the Marlins would have accepted.
The Marlins should have just taken Uggla to a pawn shop if they needed quick money.
im just throwing this out their….does this mean the price for middle infielders is lower than what we expect? maybe this knocks the price down a notch for guys like Kelly Johnson, Jose Reyes, Stephen Drew, etc. just a thought.
I doubt this has anything to do with the market. It’s just the Marlins GM being stupid. Does John Buck’s contract mean that catchers are hard to find? What about potential 5 tool CF’s since Maybin was traded for 2 relievers? Those CFer’s must grow on trees!
You guys that hate this trade, what are you talking about? Infante’s an All-Star!!! HAHAHAHA
The Marlins are idiots
Another strikeout righty for the pen and a defensive CFer like Gwynn and A++ to you Wren.
I’m pretty much speechless.. I mean the other day I’m fighting with Marlin fans about whether or not Kyle freaking Drabek should be included in a trade for Uggla….
and this is what it took? Seriously?
Sorry, is Kyle Drabek an ALL-STAR?
I’m beyond baffled, I just can’t stop laughing and hoping this is just a bad joke
Please tell me he is joking. Pretty sure anybody in their right mind would trade Infante for Drabek.
Okay, i’m pretty sure he is joking. sarcasm, eh.
no no he’s joking lol
Robbery.
To be fair, “robbery” implies some victimisation. In this scenario, it seems the Marlins bent over and dropped their pants.
Yeah, the Marlins consented to this kind of abuse.
Wow, thats all it took huh. I feel bad for Marlins fans. One year of Infante and Dunn ? Ouch, the Marlins FO is offensively cheap and with a new stadium paid for by tax payers. Sorry Marlins fans
Dunn has awhile be4 he gets to be a free agent… I don’t know about Infante though…
David Purcey and Mike McCoy for Hanley Ramirez?
Hanley Ramirez AND a 1st rounder and it’s a deal!
I’ll trade you Jed Lowrie straight up.
I wouldn’t feel like you would be getting enough..I’ll throw in our AA affiliate to even it out…
On top of this, they’re about to sign John Buck for $18 million. Apparently the Marlins aren’t aware of the Angels or Mike Napoli.
Mark Rzepsyznski and John McDonald for Josh Johnson?
Too much.
5 actual marlins and a bag of baseballs?
hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaa
Nice move for the braves… If they can sign him long term that is… Infante showed a lot of consistent promise…
….
Wow.
Move of the offseason by the Braves?
Agreed… Good move by the Braves
2 draft picks > Infante and Dunn
Infante is out of the picture with the draft picks since he wont be there after 2011, unless they give him a starting spot. More like 2 draft picks > than Dunn. IF Marlins can extend Infante, then the trade isn’t that bad.
…why does anyone think that Uggla will play 2B for the Braves? Stick his arse in LF…couldn’t be any worse defensively than some of the others trotted out there. And he’ll hit 30 HR instead of 3.
Prado is going to left.
Uggla doesn’t want to move. Braves want Uggla happy. Prado plays LF in Winter ball and can play LF, 1B, 2B, & 3B… so he will be moving around. If Uggla is in LF, then he’d be moving around between 3B, 2B, & LF. Prado is used to the utility-type.
Yeah and only a year before he was an All-Star, Infante was given to the Braves by the Cubs. Given away! Now they turn the coaches All-Star pick into a great option at 2nd base. I wonder if the Braves threw Uggla into a van with no windows and drove to the state line as fast as they could.
Love this!! Lmao!!
Are the Marlins listening to offers on Josh Johnson? The Brewers could probably resign Derrick Turnbow and send him over with Craig Counsell.
Horrible trade. Almost every other team in the majors could match that offer. Infante is a flash in the pan (though there is the Marlins leadoff hitter). Dunn has high upside, but he’s a reliever! Unbelievable. I liked their moves up to this point, but this is horrible. I like the arms they picked up, but not for the players they dealt (specifically Uggla, could care less about Maybin).
What happened to that guy that was on here the other day saying that it would take at least Drabek or Romero for the Jays to get Uggla. hahahah….
‘Marlinsfanatic’. He was also asking for Colby Rasmus straight-up. I think he’s lying in a fetal position crying himself to sleep right now.
As most of us Marlins fans are lol
lmao love it. all and all i dont think this is terrible though. Uggla was looking at 10-12 mil arbitration, in lieu you have a solid catcher that is going to make you staff that much better (no lies jay fan here) he did very well with cecil romero and marcum. he is 6m infante 2.5 and Dunn under 1 – marlins get three needs filled and save some cash for hanley
I located his comment and left him a nice “looooooooooooool.” Totally worth the effort.
post it post it
the guy who got all cocky and said no drabek? fine no uggla then lol
mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/jays-the-favorite-for-u…
i know eh
probably sitting in the corner cursing michael hill
LOLOLOLOLOL
When did Ned Colletti go to work for the Marlins?
wrong
Colletti would trade DeJesus, Trayvon and a Scott Elbert then immediately extend Uggla for $50-mil or more
Deferring $48 million of it and then deal Uggla, at the deadline to the Rockies for backup outfielder at Asheville and $50,000
Hanley Ramirez, Josh Johnson, Mike Stanton for Brendan Ryan.
Very possible the way things are going.
maybe uggla died even still the braves would win the trade.
only if they get those draft picks. Probably would play better defense too!
nobody goes to see the Rays because they play in a covered cavern that’s about as appealing to look at as box/warehouse store
nobody goes to see the Marlins because they play in an outdoor cavern that’s about as appealing to baseball as holding the national bocce ball championships in new Yankee stadium
Now we definitely HAVE TO sign Nolasco.
my god. That is the best trade Wren has pulled off..possibly ever.
We kept our prospects and got the Right handed bat we needed. NOW GET THE LEFT FIELDER and we are pretty much set.
I guess the Blue Jays just couldn’t compete with this great offer. Marc Rzepczynski and JP Arencibia, and (insert minor prospect) just doesn’t give you the same return of Infante and Dunn. One Marlins fan said it would take Drabek. What a laugh.
This is like a video game trade lmao
not even, I’m pretty sure even Mlb 2k10 would have rejected this trade
This trade isn’t as bad as it seems at face value. The Marlins have a need for bullpen help, they’re filling that need. The Marlins also have a full season of Stanton coming in full force, power isn’t an issue. They acquire a better fielder and a guy that’s going to get on base for Ramirez, Stanton, and Morrison. He likely will bat leadoff, which was also a need that had to be filled. If Infante can replicate last season this is a great trade for both teams.
I’m not unhappy about the trade, I’m just surprised they traded him in the NL East.
think cogz will lead off, but your post is pretty rational. with dominguez taking third, infante at second, our defense will be a ton better. just need morrison and stanton to step up, along with hanley. but, look what happened to cogz last year. it isn’t for sure that stanton or morrison will bat well.
Cogs seemed to be snapping out of it before he was injured. He started the season batting less than .200, but was rounding out at .268 before he was hurt. He’s got the patience for leading off but Infante I think is likely a better overall leadoff hitter. I can see the lineup looking something like: Infante, Cogs, Morrison, Ramirez, Stanton, Sanchez. If they all are playing that their potential that’s a great start to a lineup.
Thank you, that’s exactly what I’m saying
Your argument hinges on the notion that Infante will replicate last season. Uggla is much more likely to produce than Infante, simply because Uggla has proven it year-in-year-out, while Infante could very well just be a flash in the pan.
And I’m not buying the reliever business. They’re cheap, and trading elite offensive production for them just doesn’t make sense.
The trade is full of fail precisely because Uggla should have brought back a much better return.
Hence the statement IF Infante can replicate last season. I didn’t say “He’s going to bat .300+ next season!”. He’s showed he can do it, now he needs to do it again. He’s a plus defender over Uggla and so long as he’s getting on base this trade is not a problem for me. And you can not buy the reliever business all you want, but check out the Marlins bullpen last season. Clearly the weakest link in the team.A guy that’s going into his last year of arbitration is not going to yield a high return, why doesn’t anyone understand this? The Marlins offered him 48 million, that’s not being cheap.
The marlins make the mets look like genius…
I don’t think that is possible………
hmmm lets see…
u got NOTHING for Uggla
u got NOTHING for Cabrera
u got NOTHING for Willis
u got NOTHING for Ross
i know its en vogue to joke on the mets…but u guys have actually made them look like the twins with this one.
there’s a difference..we don’t have the money available to us like you guys do…we have to make deals like this, unfortunately, every few years in order to free up some cash
Following up a deal like uggla so u can free up money to sign John Buck = Double or Triple Fail.
Do the Marlins have to give up a draft pick for signing Buck ???
You do have the money- Loria has it in his pockets.
The Marlins obviously admitted this week that they got nothing for Cabrera and Willis. But as for Uggla, they get a good defensive 2nd baseman that can bat leadoff and a bullpen arm. They’re filling the needs of the organization. Uggla was not needed, but a bullpen arm and a leadoff hitter were. As for Ross, they were able to save a million dollars and gave Maybin the final chance he needed to prove he didn’t belong.
ummm …so the marlins just admitted what the rest of the universe has known
for a couple of years?
the problem with this trade is they essentially swapped a guy under control
for one more year…for another guy in control for one more year…and a
middle reliever….
ur no where near contending…so we know uggla was not needed…what was
needed was some common sense in getting back some value for uggla. one day
people are talking about KYLE DRABEK..who by himself has more value than
infante or dunn…the next thing u know u give up dunn for a gallon of milk
about to expire in 2 days.
u gave up Ross to save a million bucks !?!?
u just committed 18 million to John Buck….
WTF ?!!?
thats like giving up your washing machine to save on electricity than going
out and buying an XBOX with your savings…
lmaooo
total fail
So saving money to reinvest is failure? Take an economics class, for real. The Marlins fell out of contention last season and they let Ross walk to give Maybin his chance. The Ross ‘deal’ had 2 positives for the team, save a million and watch Maybin fail. Without that Maybin is likely the opening day CF because he’s out of options this season, so they club would have risked losing him for nothing if he was claimed. Could they have traded Ross before the deadline and got a deal? Sure, but the Marlins went on a hot streak and the organization let it be known that they were keeping the players unless they fell out of the race… and they did. It was clear that Ross wasn’t staying, all Marlin fans knew this. The organization made it clear every season that “Maybin was the future”. They held onto Cameron for too long, IMO.. he never showed signs of life for the Marlins. Can you blame them though? Cabrera/Willis for 2 total busts… they obviously wanted to give him as many chances as they could.
And as for Infante/Uggla.. how can anyone seriously blame the Marlins for this? They offered Uggla a fair deal and he declined. He’s replaceable. Infante isn’t going to his 30 HRs, but he likely is going to be a solid leadoff guy and a plus defender. What’s the problem?
It’s really simple math and business.
u call giving John Buck 18 million dollars an “investment” ?!!?and I’m the one who needs an economic class?!! lolplease dont tell me u work for a brokerage firm…but if u do, tell me which one so i know who NOT to give my money to……175 AB in 09 and 291 AB in 2010 is a good enough sample size to judge any 22 year old CF prospect…they gave Maybin all the rope in the world…smh
and in terms of Ross…ur team was 10 Games out of 1st place by July 20th….with about a week to shop Cody Ross…
so in the past few years
u traded ur best hitter ( cabrera ) …one of ur best pitchers ( willis )….for prospects u end up rushing…one of which u end up cutting after less than 400 AB….
then u just cut Cody Ross…( to save money ) lmao….when u could’ve traded him…
then u trade uggla for 1 year of omar infante and a middle reliever…( again to “save” money )
then u give John Buck a contract no one in the universe would’ve even thought of giving. and if im correct, will have to give toronto a 2nd round draft pick as a result..
smh…if u cant see the total failure involved with these transactions…u are either…A – related to the GM or B – the GM himself
So saving money to reinvest is failure? Take an economics class, for real. The Marlins fell out of contention last season and they let Ross walk to give Maybin his chance. The Ross ‘deal’ had 2 positives for the team, save a million and watch Maybin fail. Without that Maybin is likely the opening day CF because he’s out of options this season, so they club would have risked losing him for nothing if he was claimed. Could they have traded Ross before the deadline and got a deal? Sure, but the Marlins went on a hot streak and the organization let it be known that they were keeping the players unless they fell out of the race… and they did. It was clear that Ross wasn’t staying, all Marlin fans knew this. The organization made it clear every season that “Maybin was the future”. They held onto Cameron for too long, IMO.. he never showed signs of life for the Marlins. Can you blame them though? Cabrera/Willis for 2 total busts… they obviously wanted to give him as many chances as they could.
And as for Infante/Uggla.. how can anyone seriously blame the Marlins for this? They offered Uggla a fair deal and he declined. He’s replaceable. Infante isn’t going to his 30 HRs, but he likely is going to be a solid leadoff guy and a plus defender. What’s the problem?
It’s really simple math and business.
Double nothing for Cabrera since they just gave away Maybin
with another move or two like this and they will…. wow!
I can’t wait for this press release. “It was tough to lose Dan Uggla but anytime you have a chance to acquire an ALL-STAR, you do it. Omar Infante is a WINNING player that will bring PLAYOFF EXPERIENCE and a WINNING attitude to our club. ALL-STAR.”
Great stuff!
Coghlan at 2b and Infante at 3b or other way around?
“Beinfest said on Saturday night that the team has already asked Coghlan to be ready to take fly balls in center field when Spring Training gets under way.” I think it depends on what happens in center.
Huge value for the Braves, not only is Uggla worth far more than what they gave up but it weakened a potential rival. If the Braves add one more bat they could be extremely dangerous next year.
I’ve heard this SO many times from braves fans, btw. just sayin.
oh i’m not a Braves fan…I’m just still in shocked they got him for basically nothing
This may just be the best thread on MLBTR…ever.
I have to agree.
All it took was fifty or so baseball fans to have their minds blown
It got me to finally register. It’s nice to be among baseball fans that actually know what they’re talking about.
Seriously…I’m not a Marlins or Braves fan, but I truly feel sorry for the Marlins’ fans. My deepest regret on the current crumblings of your team.
Coghlan at 2b and Infante at 3b or other way around?
think it will be other way around. our defense will be better. just heard beinfest on mlb network talking about that…. how he wants to be better in defense, pitching, and on base %. i hate this trade.
If there’s anything good that comes out of this deal, it’s that (hopefully) we’ll never again have to hear the obnoxious Florida announcers yell “his name is DAN UGGLA”.
That was my 1st thought when I heard that Uggla was being shopped.
I knew the weed i gave to the Marlins GM to smoke last night would be put to good use!
lmao….
Since when did Dave Littlefield become the Marlins’ GM?
haha seriously that deal make Littlefield look like Billy Beane
sign bill hall or willie harris to play the utility role!!!
After all this…who will play CF for us after trading Maybin away and not getting one in a deal for Uggla?
Josh Johnson for Vernon Wells. He’s an All-star. Marlins pay the whole salary because of this.
Shame Tallet turned down his assignment; he really could have sweetened the deal.
at this point i would not be surprised if it actually happened
Didn’t you hear??
Marlins just traded Infante and Dunn to the Cardinals for Rasmus
Now wouldn’t that just make this day SO much better!
I would have been so… Well I wouldn’t have been kind to someone that predicted this as the trade that got Uggla because it’s just so… Wrong. I love Infante more than the next guy, but we just traded our really good UTILITY player and 4 or 5 years of a high strikeout, high walk lefty reliever for one year of one of the top hitting 2B in the league. From a division rival. This just flat out doesn’t make sense for the Marlins. If this is all you’re getting why not just keep him?
Coghlan in center is a bad idea. Separate from the Uggla move, what are the Marlins planning for center field?
I had read they were giving Scott Cousins a shot at centerfield. He has the arm and range, but I don’t know if he is any better, offensively, than Maybin.
Ramiro Pena and Boone Logan for Josh Johnson…must be tempting for the Marlins
I heard the Fish are close to accepting the deal…but they really want to add Hanley to the package because they don’t want to rob the Yanks…
awesome….sign bill hall or willie harris to play the utility role!!!
Embarrassing day to be a Marlins fan. I have no idea how justify this deal. Sure he’s a free agent in a year but he’s also very likely a top five-seven free agent in the offseason and it’s a very good chance that both those picks end up in the 15-40 range. That is definitely worth more than Omar Infante and Mike Dunn
I think the most frustrating aspect of this deal is the baffling urgency to move him, can’t they wait a month a let a market develop and consider their options?
The Braves are thinking about the FUTURE! Think about Chipper is done after one more year. Put Prado on 3rd and Uggla on 2nd and then you don’t have to worry about spending big either through trade or free agency on Left Fielder. Clearly a brilliant move by Wren.
come on bluejays …
Wow. The Marlins are officially beyond stupid. They just traded Dan Uggla for a bag of Doritos. Nice.
To tell you the truth..I’d rather have the Doritos over what we got in return.
Because they actually leave a good taste in the mouth?
Damn right!
Does this mean Brooks Buckner won’t be coming back?
Anyone think there’s a CHANCE that the Braves acquired Uggla with the hopes of flipping him for an impact OF? If they can’t, they they keep him and play him. But if they can….
I’m sure I’ll wake up tomorrow and find that Mike Stanton was picked up off waivers.
haha!!
The Braves pulled it off! It only took Omar Infante and Mike Dunn. Wow!
Apparently I’m the only one who likes this deal for the Marlins. They swap likely Type A free agents, replace Uggla at 2B with a superior fielder with a manageable bat, improve the bullpen and get Buck at catcher with the leftover money. Two positions and a reasonable bullpen piece filled in one deal for a guy who’s gone at the end of the year. Not saying it’s a clear win over Atl, just that the they benefit from it.
Your last name is deceiving.
Clever. Back it up.
The Marlins could benefit from this, but not too much. The Fish did clear up money for Buck, but it’s not guarenteed that they’ll get him. The Braves will definitely find Uggla’s hitting abilities pleasing. Plus now the Braves fill their third base hole, with Prado moving over to 3B.
Nothing like targeting a need and successfully filling that need, congratulations Florida.
I just threw up!
as a Mets fan I’m going to say…fudge…. and to the stat nerds who say he’s the worst fielder in the world; watch a few games..he makes some bonehead plays for sure, but he also makes some highlight reel plays that don’t compute in your saber-calculators. all things considered he evens out to a slightly below average fielder.
They may not compute into our computers but with a better fielder it is perfectly possible that the play could have been made standing had better positioning been taken. It’s all about perspective.
not sure what qualifies as a “perfect” possbility, but field position is yet another variable that escapes the all-knowing grasp of advanced metrics. Uggla is by no means a great fielder but I think it’s overstating it to call him a defensive liability…
Just think, Uggla will be able to play under his buddy Freddi Gonzalez again!
LMAO what a terrible deal Idc that the Braves will most likey use him as a one year player or go arb with him but it doesn’t change the trade value of a player.
Major coup for the Braves!
anyone ever notice that the Marlins GM’s name never gets mentioned? is he accountable for this or is Loria really using him as a pinata ?
I’m surprised the Mets didn’t try to get in on this with a better offer. Two reasons:1. They don’t want the Braves to improve, and Uggla will probably help them.2. Any change at second base would make Met fans happy. Luis Castillo, fairly or not, has become the symbol of every failure Omar Minaya ever had.
Then again, I don’t know if the Marlins front office has something against the Mets. It seems most of the team does – although I don’t know why.
I can’t believe the Rockies couldn’t beat this offer. Seriously frustrated with O’Dowds blinders, always thinking his players are better than the ones out there. Would Franklin Morales and Eric Young Jr gotten this deal done?
Woo Hoo! No more Jonathan Sanchez for Dan Uggla rumors.
Awesome move for the Bravos. Leaves prospects to hopefully target Justin Upton, but who knows. Wren can be brilliant or retarded on any given day. I think this has more to do with the Marlins front brass being ‘less than smart’
Honestly, I was upset about Uggla being traded, but you know what – he wants a 5-year $71M contract – good luck with that! He originally wanted a 5-year $58M contract and now wants $13M more?!? He is a decent contact hitter, with great power, but his defense is extremely poor… I feel bad for any team that will be willing to give him $71M… I’m happy that we got Infante and Dunn – even though Infante doesn’t have much power, he’ll get on base… And Dunn will be very valuable in our pen… Plus we got John Buck, who had a career year last year – and hopefully he’ll continue doing well for us… Sorry your ego got too big for you Uggs – good luck to him & the Braves… Go Fish!!!
If infante’s season was not a fluke, I feel it was an even trade. Uggla could become a free agent after next year, while the Fish filled two holes. Infante was a good player this year, not the slugger Uggla is, but defensively he was much superior. Young lefties don’t come around very often, and the Marlins control him for years to come. The Braves will have to re-sign Uggla for it to have been worth it.
Florida’s front office is on crack
Infante proved last year he can play everyday. And Dunn is good against lefties.
Fish obviously needed to improve the ‘pen and they feel as though they can contend in ’11 and ’12.
They didn’t want to get just prospects (and it’s not like they would have gotten A+ prospects for one year of Uggla) as they are moving into their new stadium in 2012 and want players that will help the team win now.
They have a pretty good team right now.
Please explain to me why they wouldn’t have gotten at least one A+prospect in return for a 2B who gives you 30 hrs a year? And by 2012 will Infante even be with the team? Infante was the epitome of a guy who had a career year. Who knows what he will give you next year?
good move for the braves, will miss infantee though
Larry Bienfeist is a well-regarded GM. Guy does more with less than just about every other GM out there. This deal isn’t as one-sided as it looks.
Uggla was never going to re-sign with the Marlins anyway, and they did need pen help. They got better defensively too, so while the deal might not be a wash, it certainly isn’t a scalping.
One-year rentals have only so much value, no matter who they are.
True, but middle relief is easy to find. I would think either Teheran or Vizcaino would’ve filled a bigger need on the Marlins than Dunn and it would not have been out of line to ask for either. No problem with Infante, even if he comes back to Earth, he is still a better glove than Uggla and he will be a good table-setter for Ramirez, Stanton and Morrison.
LOL at getting Julio Teheran for one year of Dan Uggla!!! You MIGHT get Teheran for Mike Stanton. I was arguing with Marlin fans yesterday that said that they wanted a lot more than the Vizcaino/Bethancourt/Marek estimate of what I thought it would take to make the trade. In the end, my proposal was actually way too much. Teams will not get much for rental players these days.
As for Infante, he was a fan favorite. He plays hard every day. But, he is no defensive whiz. His best postion is 2B but keep him there. He is brutal at 3B, OF or SS. He will hit close to .300 without much power or speed.
Technically speaking, Michael Hill is the Marlins’ GM, though it is not clear to me how much autonomy he has to make deals. Beinfest acts as president or baseball ops and is thus Hill’s boss.
Huge win for the Braves.
They just gave up a utility guy (albeit a good one) and a reliever (dime a dozen) for the Marlin’s second best offensive weapon.
Even if the Braves fail to extend Uggla, huge win. They’re getting a year of elite 2B offense + draft pick compensation for a utility guy and a reliever.
Just because Infante has been a bench-utility player for some years it does not mean he can’t play regular.. He did play regular with the Braves for a loong time (even qualifying for the batting championship with 506 plate appearances) and he could do it with any team because he IS very good!
I still believe that the Braves just robbed the Marlins, but i think it is unfair to say that Infante sucks or that he is “a bench player” when he was a very important player for the Braves last year! It hurts to see him go away but man.. Uggla is great 😛 and Mike Dunn is easily replaceable
I agree with the first part, but the second is up for debate.IIRC, Uggla was about 4 WAR last year and Infante probably projects to 2 WAR, so the difference is actually rather small. You can throw out the reliever and just say 0 WAR, but Buck may be able to make up the 2-2.5 WAR difference, and in the process, the Fish save themselves around 4 million.Another thing to consider is that maybe Bienfeist sees more upside in Infante, even though he has been a productive player for 2-3 years now. He is moving into his prime, so it’s not out of the question. If Bienfeist senses this, I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this one in light of his previous track record. Omar may just turn out to be even better next year.Of course I could be completely wrong about all of this, since I’m to lazy to go to B-ref and look at the numbers. 🙂
Edit: One more thing. Uggla plays a position which is notorious for early burn-outs by star players, and he is either 31 or is going to be 31 next year. This may be a case where the Fish decided that he is on his way down, and suckered ATL into a deal. Not likely, just sayin’
So Can the Mets get Hanley for Perez and Castillo…Hell we’ll even be nice and throw in that 1.2 million over the next 25 years that we have to pay Bonilla : )
Really? Could have got more from the Jays. Braves win this big time. I wanted to see him in a Jays jersey, to bad.
Wow. Where is that Marlin fan that was saying on here a few days ago that it would require Drabek to start a conversation with Toronto? He must be PISSED!
Wow…..I didn’t bother to read thru the previous 4 pages of comments. I just now heard of the deal. All I can say is……The Marlins are on crack. I searched for the players going back to FLorida and when I saw Omar Infante and Mike Dunn I suddenly was reminded of the movie “Menace II Society” when O-Dog was talking to the crack head. The crack head didn’t have money to pay for the crack so he offered him some cheeseburgers and some “extras”. How in the world does Loria justify trading Uggla, an all-star caliber 30 hr a year 2B for a super utility guy and an unproven lefty relief pitcher w/ control issues? There should be riots in the streets of Miami right now. What a joke of an organization. I can understand the need to trade him but they couldn’t coax more out of teams than this? I hope there’s a PTBNL.
The same way the Yankees justify paying Burnett $16.5 million (the same can be said about most of the Yankees, actually). It’s easy to talk about other organizations when yours throws money away to cover up problems.
I suppose the justification would sound something like “We really wanted to keep Uggla, we offered him what we felt was a fair deal and he declined. We didn’t let that get in our way and we contented to negotiate with him, offering more money. He declined all offers. It became clear that Dan’s talents could be used to help fill the needs of the ball team for the upcoming season. We have acquired a lefty reliever and a plus defender/leadoff hitter in exchange for Dan, who is entering into his final year of arbitration. As a player entering into his final year of arbitration, it often becomes an issue acquiring the full worth of a player. There is no guarantee that said player will resign with the team he’s been traded to, he is often considered to be a rented player.”
#BlueJays had most early interest in Uggla. Jays’ offer: RHP J. Roenicke, RHP D. Farquhar and either SS R. Goins or OF D. Mastroianni. #MLB
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If I was Marlins GM I would have taken that deal over the one they got any day.
yea easily, roenicke and farquhar both have higher upside then dunn.
goins/mastroianni at the very least are utility players who are controllable for 6 years
WOWWW!!!!! It just dawned on me that not only was that a horrible return but they traded him to a DIVISION RIVAL!!!!!!!!!! What message does that send to the fan base?
That was pretty much my analysis… Braves hosed the Marlins.
“Thank goodness. Suddenly my trade of Swisher for Bettemit and junk does look so bad”.
-K-dubb
Frank Wren is officially forgiven for bringing in Jesse Chavez…this could also be the Marlins apology for not honoring Bobby Cox. Well done Fankie, well done!!!!
The Only thing that would have made this trade better is if the fish took Kenshin Kawakami also hahaha. Great Job Bravos!
Would have kuo and carrol gotten it done? And the fish would only have to face uggla 6 times instead of 18.
Just for those who didn’t realize it but Infante is also a free agent next year. I guess(but am very unsure) that depending on what position Omar is listed as that he could be a potential Type A next year as well.
“Jays had most early interest in Uggla. Jays’ offer: RHP Roenicke, RHP Farquhar & either SS Goins or OF Mastroianni. #MLB”
Wow.. that offer is weak too. Come on Alex!
I say this as an O’s fan that I am glad another good hitter isn’t joining the AL East but the Jays definitely could have made a better offer. I know another HR hitter isn’t a need but OBP is and when you have a lineup that is very close to competing you should make this move. If the Yank’s don’t get Lee then this division/wild card spot are very attainable.
Still think its a better deal then they took.
Uggla needed to be moved – it was clear he had no interest in coming back to Florida and it’s irresponsible to offer him a 5 year deal at that kind of money. It’s too bad the Marlins didn’t get a lot back, but they have done a decent job with these moves fixing their greatest weakness last year by upgrading the bullpen
This deal is so bad it could change the lexicon of sports talk. “I was just Wren’ed” or “I just pulled a Wren on someone”. It can go to discuss a really good deal (Uggla for junk) or a really bad one (Feliz, Andrus, Salty for Tex). Sort of like “Aloha”. It can mean one thing or it’s opposite.
how about .. wow that deal was uggla?
Sorry Braves fans , Your going to hate Uggla, He’s an extraordinary choker and a statue on defense
Choker? LOL okay?
How many games have you watched him play,,?
enough too see the type of power we haven’t in a long time that he possesses
30.. and in every game I watched he hit a homerun
Spoken like a true loser bitter fan.
Bitter..? I think not , I couldnt be happier. Just wait till you braves fans
have a couple of years with Freddy in charge.
With what they gave up, I’m sure the Braves would be happy if all he did was refill the gatorade cooler… oh and put around 20 baseballs into orbit…..
He’ll hit his home runs , but they’ll all be meaningless. when the game is on the line
forget it
were there ever games even on the line in florida? lol
The Marlins got garbage back for Uggla what a bad trade.
One of the best 2B in the game is traded for Infante, and some minor leaguer.
Infante hasnt done nothing productive until last year
Braves are going to have awful IF defense with Uggla and Chipper.
what were the new mets brass doing? they could have gave the braves more
2010:Dan Uggla – 3.7 WAROmar Infante – 2.9Mike Dunn – 0.4On the face of it, this deal may be a wash.
WAR values per BB-ref
except Uggla wanted 71 mil 5 yrs
except Uggla wanted 71 mil 5 yrs
Do you really expect Omar Infante to post a 3 WAR next year?
Actually, since he is moving into his prime, it is a contract year for him, AND he hit like a maniac last season while doing everything but sell programs, yes. Wouldn’t be surprised if he had a career year.
How often do you see a utility guy with over 500 PA and a .321 avg. (3rd in the NLK BTW)? The guy has been a productive player for 3 years now and is really coming into his own.
It stung the Braves to give him up, believe me.
No. No it didn’t, like at all.
Actually, since he is moving into his prime, it is a contract year for him, AND he hit like a maniac last season while doing everything but sell programs, yes. Wouldn’t be surprised if he had a career year.
How often do you see a utility guy with over 500 PA and a .321 avg. (3rd in the NLK BTW)? The guy has been a productive player for 3 years now and is really coming into his own.
It stung the Braves to give him up, believe me.
Can we please stop using WAR in an apples and orange comparison. Brett Gardner had a 5.4 WAR and Joe Mauer had a 5.1. Does it mean Gardner is more valuable to a team than Mauer? Of course not.
Dan Uggla was an all-star. What’s one way I know the Marlins valued him as such? They were willing to pay him 4/$48? Suddenly it becomes obvious Uggla wants more $$$ or years than they are willing to spend so they trade him for a 29 yo career super utility player who just came off of a career year and an unproven lefty relief pitcher who has a history of walking too many batters. You can certainly make the case that Infante might be an upgrade at 2B but that isn’t the issue. The issue SHOULD be maximizing the value that you get for a HUGE commodity like a power hitting 2B like Uggla. Uggla should’ve easily netted 1 top 50 prospect along with 2 bottom 10 organizational prospects whom the Marlins would have for 6 years of control. Instead they have Dunn and a 29 yo INF who will be a FA in 2 years. I just can’t believe that with 3 1/2 months left before ST that they could not have gotten better offers from 5-7 other teams.
So how should we compare them? First of all, Uggla was voted into the All-Star game by the fans, which I don’t see as much of an endorsement. Second, run prevention is just as important as run production. Otherwise no one would pay so much money for pitching. Third, Uggla is 31 years old, playing a position that has burned out much better players than him. If he stays at 2B, he likely will decline very rapidly in his 33-35 playing years. Infante is 28 (29?) and his numbers have been steadily trending upward for three seasons. Uggla’s numbers, which are very good, have nonetheless been fairly stagnant for the last three. He has hit his peak, while Infante may yet have another gear. Notice I didn’t say that Infante is going to crack 30 dongs next year, but there is a good chance that he can post even better numbers, while still providing stellar run-prevention. With Uggla, what you see is what you get, and now that he’s getting older, maybe less.When it comes to organizational control, it is likely that Uggla is a one year rental for the Braves, due to his salary demands. Infante is also in a salary-drive year, but is eminently more signable by a small-market team like the Marlins. Also, if there is a reason to move either player at the deadline, the Braves will likely have to eat some salary to get any worth for Uggla, while the Marlins will get good value for Infante, without the extra payout.As far as Dunn goes, he is a young BP arm with upside. Yes, he walks too many batters, but so does just about every other young pitcher. He also has huge K/9 numbers. He has the talent to excel at the ML level. He just needs the work. And with 5 years of cost control, the Marlins have ample time to figure out if he will work out or not.As far as Mauer v. Gardner goes, I don’t know where you found your numbers but this is what I found on BB-ref:Mauer – 5.6 WAR in 2010. It was an off year for him, since he posted mid 7’s the two previous years.Gardner – 4.0 WAR in 2010. It was a breakout year for him, since in the previous two years his WAR values 2.6 and -0.1.So you are right. Gardner is nowhere near as valuable as Mauer, not even when Mauer has an off year. Probably never will be either, unless Mauer’s career is cut short.So in the end, the difference in WAR was less than half a run. One side got a little more defense in the deal, and one a little power. The both had to give to get, but it looks like the Marlins retained more flexibility down the road, so I’m gonna call this deal a wash, with maybe a slight advantage to the Marlins.
According to fangraphs Gardner was a 5.4 WAR in 2010 and Mauer was a 5.1. Feel free to look it up. The point is, and I can do this w/ others, WAR is a good tool to use in an apples to apples comparison. Use it among players at different positions and it’s simply not useful at all.
-“First of all, Uggla was voted into the All-Star game by the fans, which I don’t see as much of an endorsement”.- Just using his resume and the fact they were willing to pay him like an all-star to show how he is valued vs what they got in return.
-“Second, run prevention is just as important as run production. Otherwise no one would pay so much money for pitching”.
I agree run prevention is important. However, Uggla’s enourmous offensive ability at 2B compensates for his defense. Infante’s glove and mediocre bat are not enough.
-“Third, Uggla is 31 years old, playing a position that has burned out much better players than him. If he stays at 2B, he likely will decline very rapidly in his 33-35 playing years. Infante is 28 (29?) and his numbers have been steadily trending upward for three seasons. Uggla’s numbers, which are very good, have nonetheless been fairly stagnant for the last three. He has hit his peak, while Infante may yet have another gear. Notice I didn’t say that Infante is going to crack 30 dongs next year, but there is a good chance that he can post even better numbers, while still providing stellar run-prevention. With Uggla, what you see is what you get, and now that he’s getting older, maybe less”.
Who cares what he does at age 33-35? First off, the Marlins didn’t seem to be too concerned w/ his age since they offered him a 4 year deal. My issue isn’t the fact that they traded him. It’s that they simply didn’t get anywhere near enough in return. Therefore what he does at age 33-35 is someone elses concern. And even the Braves right now are not looking past what he will do in 2011 and 2012.
You say that Uggla’s last 3 years have been stagnant but others would see it as 3 consistant all-star caliber years w/ 31 hrs, .265/.360 production from a 2B.
Infante’s greatest asset is his versatility. You make him an everday player at 1 position and suddenly he isn’t as special anymore.
-“When it comes to organizational control, it is likely that Uggla is a one year rental for the Braves, due to his salary demands. Infante is also in a salary-drive year, but is eminently more signable by a small-market team like the Marlins. Also, if there is a reason to move either player at the deadline, the Braves will likely have to eat some salary to get any worth for Uggla, while the Marlins will get good value for Infante, without the extra payout”.
As long as Uggla is hitting 30 hrs as a 2B he WILL NOT be difficult to move. He made $7.8 mil this year. Maybe thru arb he’ll make $10 mil? I doubt the Marlins would have to eat much and whatever they did eat, it would help them get better prospects in return.
Can we please stop using WAR in an apples and orange comparison. Brett Gardner had a 5.4 WAR and Joe Mauer had a 5.1. Does it mean Gardner is more valuable to a team than Mauer? Of course not.
Dan Uggla was an all-star. What’s one way I know the Marlins valued him as such? They were willing to pay him 4/$48? Suddenly it becomes obvious Uggla wants more $$$ or years than they are willing to spend so they trade him for a 29 yo career super utility player who just came off of a career year and an unproven lefty relief pitcher who has a history of walking too many batters. You can certainly make the case that Infante might be an upgrade at 2B but that isn’t the issue. The issue SHOULD be maximizing the value that you get for a HUGE commodity like a power hitting 2B like Uggla. Uggla should’ve easily netted 1 top 50 prospect along with 2 bottom 10 organizational prospects whom the Marlins would have for 6 years of control. Instead they have Dunn and a 29 yo INF who will be a FA in 2 years. I just can’t believe that with 3 1/2 months left before ST that they could not have gotten better offers from 5-7 other teams.
I know I’m biased, but it’s nice to notice that not one person has liked any of your posts in this convo, and everyone else has argued against you.
You need to stop treating WAR like the god of stats. As said, it doesn’t transfer well sometimes.
2010:Dan Uggla – 3.7 WAROmar Infante – 2.9Mike Dunn – 0.4On the face of it, this deal may be a wash.
WAR values per BB-ref
Yep. I figure they lost about .4 WAR and saved themselves about 4 million. Not a bad deal. It’s a winning play.
Props to the Braves, the probablly felt Omar’s value was at his highest peak and cashed in on it and Dunn was expendable
You have no idea how bad the Marlins bullpen is . Dunn is a jewel compared
to those mutts
You have no idea how bad the Marlins bullpen is . Dunn is a jewel compared
to those mutts
great move by the Braves. with prado leading off and a 3-4-5 of Uggla, Heyward, and McCann is good enough to compete with anybody
Prado/Heyward/Jones/Uggla/McCann would be my bet. R/L/S/R/L That’s a pretty magnificent to exhaust bullpens. and with Gonzo, Freeman, and McLouth at the end?
R/L/S/R/L/R/L/L. Our offense is looking magnificent, too bad our defense is now going to be absolutely horrendous behind Venters, Hudson, Hanson, Moylan and any other groundball pitchers we acquire.
Anyone looked at Venters’ GO/AO from last year? 6.00
I would switch Chipper and Heyward at this point in Chipper’s career. Heyward has MASSIVE power hitting potential, I think he would be best utilized batting in the heart of the order. But I can understand you’re argument for 2nd, his OBP was also remarkable for a rookie, so pitchers clearly already fear him.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Braves trade for a defensive type CF who can hit lead-off and possibly platoon with McLouth. Someone like Rajai Davis or Tony Gwynn. In any event, Chipper needs to be moved from the #3 spot in the order.
My proposal:
McLouth+New RH CF/Prado/Heyward/Uggla/McCann/Jones/Gonzalez/Freeman
I doubt Fredi has the guts to move Chipper down that far but I think that would be the best batting order. You have the best three power hitters on the team sandwiched between two guys who will have good averages, good OBP plus a little power.
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Marlin’s trying to mimic the giants. Not as concerned with the hitting, but improve fielding and fix up that bullpen. Now they have gotten 4 more arms in a few days for their bullpen and a replacement second baseman. If they can hold teams down a tad with their middle relief they should improve. They spend no money. On the other hand, Uggla was a great move for the Braves.
trading him to a division rival is retarded. he will probably kill them every time these two teams play each other all year.
That’s the hope!
I have seen a lot of pro-Marlin arguments here (saying that the deal was even), a lot more than I expected, actually (I was prepared to see a lot of jokes, lol), but I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that this was an intra-division trade. They just traded one of the top 2B in the league to a fellow division team. That, alone, makes this a bad trade for FLA.
Besides that… I liked Dunn, and Omar was great this year, but as said, Omar most likely just had his best season, and Dunn has control issues. One year rental of a top 5 2B vs. a make-or-break arm and a utility man? I’d take the Braves side any time.
it was the best trade Wren has made as a GM, i woudnt say its even because Omar will not have another year like 2010, Dunn is good but we have lefties Venters and O Flaherty in the pen that’s why we traded Dunn.
right now i would get Scott Podsednik to play CF and leadoff, we need speed a top the lineup and he’s cheap and get a veteran righty reliever like Kevin Gregg or Kerry Wood but dont know how expensive they would be, maybe Manny Corpas, Dan Wheeler or JJ Putz
right now i would get Scott Podsednik to play CF and leadoff, we need speed a top the lineup and he’s cheap and get a veteran righty reliever like Kevin Gregg or Kerry Wood but dont know how expensive they would be, maybe Manny Corpas, Dan Wheeler or JJ Putz