Between Cliff Lee's dominance and A.J. Burnett's struggles, the Yankees have lots to worry about when it comes to the pitching matchups in the ALCS. But the Yanks have lots of off-field questions about the two Darek Braunecker clients as well. Here are the details on Lee and Burnett:
- Rangers owner Nolan Ryan told reporters, including Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram that he expects the Yankees to bid on Lee this winter. When asked how much Lee will command on the open market, Ryan pointed to the Yankees. "I need to go next door and ask them," he said. "I think he's got their attention."
- Joel Sherman of the New York Post calls Burnett "the poison pill that is going to keep on giving for a while." The unpredictable right-hander has three years and nearly $50MM remaining on his contract.
- Yankees officials tell Sherman that Andy Pettitte has not told the organization he's retiring, but Sherman wonders if the left-hander intends to call it quits after the season.
- Joe Girardi won't be managing the Cubs and Jon Heyman of SI.com can't see him managing the Mets either (Twitter link). People in the Mets organization "love" Girardi, but Heyman finds it hard to imagine the skipper leaving the Yankees for the Mets.
“People in the Mets organization “love” Girardi,”WHY?
Probably because he is a good manager?
All I hear about him from Yankee fans I talk to is complaint after complaint. From what I’ve seen he can’t manage a bullpen worth a damn either.
Can’t manage a bullpen, they must be talking about Torre. Girardi is great
Well then you’re listening to the wrong Yankee fans. I think he manages the bullpen quite well. No one gets overused and the Yankees in each of Girardi’s years have had one of the best bullpens in the league.
no matter who they have as a manager you will hear compaint after complaint
He WAS a good manager back in Florida. He’s been pretty abysmal since coming to NYY.
Can you quantify how he has been abysmal? Surely the team hasn’t been bad. If 287 wins over 3 seasons is abysmal…
You can put any coach in the situation he started in and they would be successful…
So you determine he’s a bad manager because he has a great talent and they win? That’s sounds sort of odd. So what is Bobby Cox? He had John Smoltz, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and an assortment of other notable pitchers from year to year and he has the same amount of WS rings as Girardi so far.
Actually I do think Bobby Cox was a little overrated. Despite the string of playoff appearances they only won the world series once. Add to that Bobby Cox’s postseason record was 62-64… kinda says something about his ability to win it all.
Where did I say hes a bad manager? Im saying any manager could do well in the situation Girardi was put in. He had a veteran team with a bunch of all star established players.
Can you quantify how he’s been good?
Outside of W-L record, there’s no way to quantify the quality of a manager and that is beyond suspect when you’re handed $210 million worth of talent.
Anecdotally, however, I could point to the fact he’s the only manager in the last decade and a half to manage the AL to a loss in the All Star Game.
Really? That’s the best you can do? An all-star game? Wow…
“Outside of W-L record, there’s no way to quantify the quality of a manager and that is beyond suspect when you’re handed $210 million worth of talent”.
So if you can only use W-L records and he has the best win % of any active manager in baseball @ .563 and has to his credit…
1 WS ring w/ the Yanks
1 NL Manager of the Year award w/ the Marlins ($15 mil payroll btw)
Had the best record in the entire MLB in 2009 w/ 102 wins.
2nd best record in the AL (missed #1 by 1 game) in 2010.
…so what are you using to describe him as an “abysmal” manager? I mean other than your “gut” feeling?
No matter what argument you make about the Yankees being good, the conclusion will always be that they are good due to their ability to spend “unlimited” amounts of money on free agents and their payroll. Their payroll this year was $206million the next team behind them is the Red Sox but their is roughly a $40million difference. The difference between the two is the total payroll of some teams…
“Really? That’s the best you can do? An all-star game? Wow… ”
How about last night, then?
Giant glaring mistake #1: Starting Burnett at all. I know he didn’t have many options (And I’ve been saying all season that the compacted ALCS schedule would absolutely kill the Yankees with them being forced to rely on four starters), but outside of Vasquez, just about anyone would’ve been better.
Giant glaring mistake #2: Leaving Burnett in after his fastball started to lose its bite. He should’ve been pulled after letting Vlad on base. For all of you touting his bullpen management, where was he on that one?
Giant glaring mistake #3: This is the biggest one: intentionally walking the go-ahead runner. Really? I know Burnett’s got bad numbers against Murphy, but doesn’t that lead you to the more obvious conclusion of pulling the guy rather than putting the go-ahead run on first?
Abysmal may be a strong word, but Girardi is absolutely not the same manager he was when he was in Miami. It’s almost like he got complacent knowing what kind of talent he has. It seems that he just seem to be able to handle veterans, in my opinion. His reputed best area is the bullpen where he’s got a bunch of younger guys and the greatest closer in history.
Personally I like the decisions he made last night…but that might be because I wanted the Rangers to win. That was the best homerun Bengie ever hit.
I never said I didn’t LIKE the moves he made, just that they were the wrong ones for a manager who allegedly wants to win games.
I agree w/ most of what you said about last night except for him starting AJ. He simply made bad decisions when it came to that inning. I felt that once he walked a guy in that inning with his velocity dipping down to 91 mph and being wild that he should have brought in Logan to pitch to Murphy. Also, you should never put added pressure on to AJ by intentionally walking a guy unless it’s a DP situation which it wasn’t since there were already 2 outs. Once they decided to walk Murphy and pitch to Molina I felt they should’ve brought in Joba who would’ve been a fresher arm with a little better control and a little better life on the FB and different offspeed stuff for Molina to think about. Add to the fact that Joba’s slider moves away from RH and it would’ve been a better match up to me.
However you can’t use that one instance to proove anything. Lot’s of better managers have had strategic moves back fire.
The thing is, the only strategy to Girardi’s move was “Murphy hits Burnett.” The fact he sticks by that as if it was not an absolutely terrible decision to put the lead runner on when his starter’s stuff had all but disappeared shows only ineptitude, in my opinion. This isn’t even Monday Morning quarterbacking, everyone watching that game was thinking the same thing: “why is Burnett still pitching at all?” Burnett has shown over two years in pinstripes that you can only ride him so long before he blows up. You yourself have shown statistically speaking that when Burnett struggles, he absolutely implodes.
That’s my thing, I don’t believe Girardi can handle vets and that’s why I think he’s been a bad manager since coming to NY. On a rookie team like the Marlins, he can excel since he is essentially dictating the limits of his guys, but when it comes to vets, he just doesn’t seem to get it.
Of course it’s a small sample size, but it’s a perfect example of his inadequacies as a manager.
Ummmmm…seriously. You can have your opinion of him but abysmal by what standards? YES..he has a wealth of talent. And I’m sure he also has the most wins since being manager and so far 1 WS ring and counting. So what makes him abysmal?
Girardi is good at keeping a lineup card, and using his bullpen very efficiently, something I praise because I really got tired of seeing Torre wear out the bullpen. I don’t complain about him much, but I think he does have a disdaintful taste of baseball instinct. Even down the strech when the Yankees were struggling he never really took any chances to try and tough out a victory. But other than that, don’t really care if he leaves or stays.
He also did a great job of saving our 2009 season when he completely overhauled the bullpen. He switched Coke to the pen (was a starter in the minors). He got rid of Albaladejo (sent to minors), and released Edwar Ramirez, Jose Ramirez and a couple of others. He replaced them with Alfredo Aceves, Phil Hughes, Chad Gaudin and Dave Robertson.
I think the signings of Teixeira and Sabathia had a lot more to do with the Yankees’ 2009 success than him releasing a handful of awful relivers and replacing them with guys that didn’t fit into their essentially full starting rotation. One could conversely say he really hurt the season by sticking with Chamberlain as his fifth starter instead of Hughes.
The Yanks were not in 1st place before the second half and one of their weaknesses was the bullpen.
Jose Ramirez -April 8 to June 13th- 5.96 ERA in 25 IP
Edwar Ramirez- April 8 to May 18th- 5.19 ERA in 19 IP
Jon Albaladejo- April 6 to July 9th- 5.04 ERA in 25 IP
Replaced by…….
David Robertson- May 2nd-End of season- 3.30 ERA in 43 IP
Phil Hughes- Pitched out the pen from June 8th -End of season- 1.40 ERA in 53 IP
Alfredo Aceves-May 4th-End of season-3.54 ERA in 84 IP
In addition to Arod and Tex better 2nd halfs the bullpen was another major reason why the Yanks moved into 1st place after the all-star break and went on to win a WS.
That seems like a pretty good argument against Girardi, if you think about it. Why not start the season with Robertson, Gaudin, and Aceves? He chose to go w/ the other three, they weren’t forced on him, and he put Hughes in the rotation to begin the season. As you pointed out, the yanks weren’t in first, actually were struggling pretty badly, which meant his job was on the line. I guess you could choose to believe Joe KNEW those guys would come up and be better, but it doesn’t seem very logical.
AJ “The Poison Pill” Burnett… what a great nickname!
LoL If you already are a manager why would you leave the Yankees to go to the Mets? Willie Randolph was a different situation. He was a bench coach and went to become manager.
As much as the NY media/fans overhype their guys…they also overdramatize the bad situations, namely this upcoming Game 4. Come on now, people are acting like it’s just a definite loss for the Yanks. I don’t foresee any kind of inspired outing, but I’m also not expecting a complete mess. He’s still a MLB pitcher, and a decent one at that. I’m a Yankees fan, and the overhyping gets annoying to me too, including BOTH the good and the bad. This isn’t the first time a team has sent out a shaky pitcher down 2-1 in the series…shouldn’t be SUCH a big deal just because it’s the Yankees. The Rangers are a great team with a helluva lineup…doesn’t this take away from them too if they do hit Burnett well?
The Cliff Lee sweepstakes will be fun to watch. It’s gonna take a monster bid by the Yankees to get him though, either CC-esque (7 years $161M) or Johan (6 years $137M). He’s said he’s happy where he is (Texas) and knowing he’s a southern guy from Arkansas and if Texas wins the WS, will 5-6 yrs $100-120M from Texas be enough? If the Red Sox resign Martinez, would Lee go to Boston to pitch to his old battery mate? Do the Phillies try to re-sign him after trading, giving them a lethal 1-2 in Halladay/Lee? Would the Angels step into the mix?
For some reason I feel like your post needs to end with “Tune in next week to see another episode of Who Wants the Expensive Free Agent.”
All we need is that famous guy who does all the movie trailers and intros (sadly he passed).
“In a world where a team monopolizes on all the top free agent talent…..” HAHA
One thing is certain. He is not going to Boston. They already have 6 guys for 5 spots. What are they going to do? Trade Dice-K and kick Wakefield to the curb and throw down a 6 year/100+ million contract for a pitcher? Yeah right.
Well, 7 guys if you count Dubrount, who is probably better than at least two of them.
Dice-K is tradable (Seattle, LAD, NYM?), and Wakefield is in his final year before he retires (and is only getting $1.5M I believe). At this point Wakefield is good for spot starts and long relief only. Doubrant will be part of the retooled bullpen. Is it likely they’ll outbid NYY and Texas? Maybe not, but I wouldn’t count them out.
As about eight thousand people have pointed out, Matsuzaka has a full no-trade clause.
He also has a massage therapist and a physical therapist according to his contract. All a non-trade clause means is he can dictate where he wants to go IF he is traded. Seattle w/ Ichiro? Sounds like he’s in the Sox plans for 2011 but you never know.
I doubt the phillies are going to give the money and years Lee wants with all the contracts they have already I don’t see the red sox in this because they already have Lester/Buchholz/Beckett/Lackey/Dice-k. I don’t see them being able to trade dice-k @all. Maybe to the mets lol. But i see the Sox focusing on either getting Beltre back Or “trying” to get A-gon again and move Youk to 3rd. Thought those rumors were dead already lol. But yea its between the Yanks and Rangers in my eyes.
Even if he wasn’t happy in Texas, you really think he would say Oh I hate it here and give away leverage? No.
Philadelphia is out of the question.
LA is a possibility, but that offense is so mediocre and they reallllly need an outfielder. They literally have 4 statues out there in Hunter, Rivera, Matsui, and Abreu. Bourjos probably isn’t a long term solution.
Angels have a good rotation IMO and they already got their guy at the deadline, Haren.
No for Dodgers, Phillies, Red Sox, Cards, Mets (I don’t know if I see them committing to another massive contract consider the amount of terrible contracts they have).
Texas and Yankees will be in it for sure. Maybe Nationals? Twins? Orioles could use him.
But I see it coming down to Yankees and Rangers. They can both offer money and a chance to win which is what Lee wants.
Uhh…you realize that Hideki Matsui is no longer an OF, but a DH, right? I don’t think he even played 5 games in the OF for the Angels in 2010.
Besides which, he’s a free agent who’s very unlikely to return to the Angels in 2011. Which leaves them with Rivera, Bourjos, Abreu, and Hunter. And Rivera is likely to be traded if the Angels actually sign Carl Crawford, which I think they have a good chance to do. That would leave Crawford in LF, Bourjos in CF(until Mike Trout is ready), and Hunter in RF, with Abreu likely shifting permanently to DH.
Actually, Matsui did start 17 games in LF this season, but yeah he’s not truly an OFer and probably won’t be back in Anaheim next season.
I highly doubt Lee would want to go back to Philly after how they gave him away…I really hope he signs with Texas.
a lethal 1-2-3-4. halladay lee oswalt hamels
Get Real.
It’s interesting that you say a “moster bid by the Yankees”. The market was sent by Santana, Halladay and Sabathia. He’s going to get a moster contract because he’s a top 5 pitcher and the only one on the market. I guarantee you he won’t sign for less than $20 mil per regardless of whether not the Yanks are the ones that get him.
I agree. I think the Yankees only have to bid a little more than the next highest person. Lee has 0 (zero) allegiance to the Rangers, who he has played for for 2 months. Why would he? Cause he pitched them deep into the playoffs? He just did that with the Phillies a year ago. And who the hell would want to spend your summers pitching in that heat for 5 or 6 years.
There was a link on here where some writer (I cant remember the name) who said Lee would go play in Siberia if they offered him the most money. This will play out just like the bidding for Tex 2 years ago.
You say he has ZERO allegiance to the Rangers. Why would he have any more allegiance to the Yankees? And it’s not guaranteed he necessarily goes to the highest bidder. Unless the Yankees offer 6 years $150M anyone is game.
I don’t think they would have a problem giving him $150 for 6 years. He is definitely worth it if you compare him, especially in the post-season, to guys like CC and Santana.
That article in Forbes said he could easily make another $50M over 6 years in endorsements by playing for the Yankees.
He has been one of if not the best pitcher in the game the past 3 years and has made an average of about $5.5M in those 3 years. He is gonna cash in, as he should, it is the American way.
I don’t think they would have a problem giving him $150 for 6 years. He is definitely worth it if you compare him, especially in the post-season, to guys like CC and Santana.
That article in Forbes said he could easily make another $50M over 6 years in endorsements by playing for the Yankees.
He has been one of if not the best pitcher in the game the past 3 years and has made an average of about $5.5M in those 3 years. He is gonna cash in, as he should, it is the American way.
If he leads them to a world series victory, I think he may want to stay.
I agree.
If he leads them to a world series victory, I think he may want to stay.
Gammons said it
I’m a northern guy from New Jersey, but if I were a decade older and had already spent my career in Philadelphia, Cleveland, Seattle and Texas I don’t think I’d care if I played in Boston as opposed to say, the Astros.
My point is geography and where he’s “from” probably factors very little beyond leverage. CC is his best friend, if you want to argue the fact he’s from Arkansas and Arkansas is in the same part of the country as Texas as a strength, I would think close friends on a roster would have a bigger impact.
Of course he said he’s happy where he is, Texas wouldn’t bother giving him a bid if he said anything else. This is all just typical Free Agent speak, you can come up with a theory for him to go anywhere if you try hard enough.
I tried to post a reply (sorry if there’s redundancy)
Go to main page here on MLBTR and it even talks about the same thing, Jon Heyman of SI reported he likes the proximity to home in Arkansas. So what I’m saying isn’t necessarily going out on a limb here.
Also, Mike Francesa on YES brought up a great point on his show today before the game. Taxes. New York taxes are outrageous. Texas does not have state income tax and has a lower cost of living. Francesa estimated Texas has about a $40M advantage in that regard.
It will be interesting to see this play out. But don’t automatically assume he’s in pinstripes in 2011, no matter how badly the Yankees want him.
I’m a northern guy from New Jersey, but if I were a decade older and had already spent my career in Philadelphia, Cleveland, Seattle and Texas I don’t think I’d care if I played in Boston as opposed to say, the Astros.
My point is geography and where he’s “from” probably factors very little beyond leverage. CC is his best friend, if you want to argue the fact he’s from Arkansas and Arkansas is in the same part of the country as Texas as a strength, I would think close friends on a roster would have a bigger impact.
Of course he said he’s happy where he is, Texas wouldn’t bother giving him a bid if he said anything else. This is all just typical Free Agent speak, you can come up with a theory for him to go anywhere if you try hard enough.
Phillies will DEFINITELY not be getting Lee seeing as they already have $150M on the books for 2011, and that is not including Werth (who they also won’t be resigning).
#1 Priority=Cliff Lee. How much would the Yankees dominate in the season and pistseason with the one-two punch of Sabathia and Lee?
Sabathia doesn’t exactly have a stellar postseason resume.
Sabathia doesn’t exactly have very many innings in the post season either and his faltering in the postseason can be explained
2007 with Cleveland his total innings pitched from the year before jumped by over 50 IP.
2008 with Milwaukee he pitched on 3 days rest for about a month straight just to get his team into the playoffs. He was definitely gassed by the time his first start came around.
2009 he was well rested due to the Yankees running away with the division goes on to have a dominant postseason
2010: game 1 ALDS he pitched on 8 or 9 days rest. Game 1 ALCS followed 8 days later. Almost any pitcher will not be sharp after pitching only twice in 16-17 days.
So in other words he can’t rest too long or too little. Being able to bounce back is what sets apart decent postseason pitchers from great postseason pitchers.
CC can go on short rest, but if you start him on 3 days rest for 5 or straight starts, he’s bound to get tired. In fact most pitchers can’t even go on short rest once. CC can be a dominant starting pitcher in the post season and last year was a clear example of that.
Most people would call one out of four the outlier rather than the expectation.
Me? I’d call it “the entire concept of a ‘postseason pitcher’ is ridiculous.”
Prior to this year with the Yanks he does. Besides he’s pitching on alot of rest. That’s definetly going to hurt. Personally, I’m already putting the Yankees down 3-1. Poison Pill A.J. is gonna possibly ruin our repeat hopes right here, Girardi is foolish not to start CC.
Did you forget when he laid an egg in 2007 and 2008? He’s pitcher poorly in the playoffs more than he’s pitched well. Again, as noted above, I don’t believe that there’s any such thing as a “postseason pitcher,” but Sabathia’s postseason resume is pretty pedestrian. He has a 1.542 postseason WHIP, a 4.79 postseason ERA and his hits per nine is higher than his strikeouts per nine. On his career, he’s been worse than league average in the playoffs.
Did you reall forget the fact that both the Indians and Brewers really overworked him in the middle of a pennant race? He basicly started every 3 games in he last month of the 2008 season. If he has enough rest, he’s a postseason ace as he proved last year.
“Besides he’s pitching on alot of rest. That’s definetly going to hurt.”
“If he has enough rest, he’s a postseason ace as he proved last year. ”
Reconcile those two statements, please. I’ll wait…
You mean the one-two punch of Lee-Sabathia… I think he has proven himself to be more dominate in recent years.
And “pistseason”, I like it (which I think was on accident but still).
Winning 100+ games with a 1-2 punch of CC-CLee is likely.
To be fair, winning 62+ games with a 1-2 punch of CC-Lee is what’s likely. They can’t pitch every game.
For all the talk about adding Lee, I don’t see him improving too much on what Pettitte did as far as overall W-L record goes. I mean, sure, the wins will look a lot more spectacular, but he can only win about 32 games a year.
This is a part of why I point to the fact that Teixeira was a MUCH bigger signing than Sabathia last year in terms of the Yankees’ success. Sure, Sabathia had better peripherals than Mussina, but he only actually accrued one extra win. The difference between Teixeira and Giambi, on the other hand…
My point is essentially that the Yankees will put up sexier numbers with Lee, but signing him is more of a matter of replacing Pettitte’s production than actually making them any better. If Pettitte sticks around, they’re drastically improved by adding Lee, on the other side, if Pettitte leaves and they don’t snag Lee? Well, thinks could look bleak for their pitching.
Well we will find out in about a month or so how much the Yankees will offer Lee. I wonder if the Yankees will try and sign Jeter and Rivera before they are able to hit free agency so they can offer Lee a huge deal right away. I’m not sure but isn’t it only 5 days after the World Series that players become free agents and they don’t even have to file anymore starting this year.
I think the Yanks should give Lee 5 Years with the same amount of money CC is getting yearly, 23$M. That NTC is kind of scary to me, but if he can stay in shape and pitch great over the next few years, definetly worth all that.
The no-trade clause is pointless. If the Yanks sign Lee he will be getting at least $20 mil per. If they have reason to WANT to trade him it’s not for good reasons. Those same reasons they might want to trade him will be the same reason why he would be untradeable @ $20 mil per. You will almost NEVER see a situation where the Yankees trade away a stay caliber player already earning major $$$$$. I can’t even think of 1.
Agreed. An NTC on a $20 million a year player is absolutely pointless. If he performs up to his contract, no one will trade him; if he fails to perform up to his contract, no one will want him.
As a Blue Jay fan about A.J. – ‘Told ya so’.
best season was his last with the Jays and nobody in Toronto was sad to see him leave.
Lol I know we’re out of the playoffs and all but it’s a double victory when you see Burnett fail and Yanks lose. Stuck with a terrible contract another good 3 years, lol.
(cough!) Vernon Wells…(atchu) Roy Halladay pitching in October for another team.
Just sayin’. AJ has a ring. Might get another.
Wells was pretty good this year and usually is when healthy. Had one of his best seasons actually.
Even Oliver Perez could have had a ring last year on Yankees roster.
I think Burnett has two actually. He wasn’t on the Marlins postseason roster in 2003, but generally anyone on the 40 man gets a ring, as I recall.
It would be awesome if we could just have an assumption at the top of the MLBTradeRumors that reads that Andy Pettitte is considering retiring. No final word on if he will be back next season.
That would encapsulate about 100 different posts on this website over the past few years. Looks like we are starting up yet another year of will he or won’t he. Call me when a decision is made. He’s just not that good of a pitcher to garner all the attention he receives.
He’s the closest thing to Brett Favre baseball has. And while he may be no Roy Halladay might I point you to the following….
240 wins, 25-11 record w/ a sub 4.00 ERA @ ages 37-38 and 5 WS rings.
…scoreboard.
(just Yanking your chain dude).
Comparing Andy Pettitte to Brett Favre is an insult to Andy Pettitte. Favre is a drama queen with his “I’m retiring boo hoo, I’M BACK BABY!” BS every year and he’s widely known for blowing it in the big moment rather than Pettitte’s clutch big game performances. Pettitte’s said the last few years “yeah, I might retire. We’ll see how I feel…eh, I guess I feel up to it.”
I’d call Clemens more of a Favre comparrison outside of the steroids. Before the Yankees he was considered a “blows it in the big game” guy and he pulled the “I’m done/I’m back” crap a couple times.
Umm Cal Ripken Jr = the Bret Favre of baseball. Not because of the drama but because of the durability and leadership.
Wow you’re Captain Missed the Point
I guess so Mr. Hilarious Yankee fan
I guess so Mr. Hilarious Yankee fan
You know what is odd about AJ Burnett? He had an awful season but it’s probably not as bad as most would think when you see a record of 10-15 w/ a 5.26 era.
When he’s good, he’s great.
In wins he’s great. 10 wins w/ a 1.08 era and a 1.02 whip and 6.6 IP avg.
In no-decisions he’s decent w/ a 3.54 era and 1.37 whip and 6 IP avg.
But when he loses…..man…..IT’S FREAKIN’ EPIC!!! I’m talking “The Adventures of Pluto Nash”, “Gigli”, “Speed Racer” and “Ishtar” type failures.
In 15 losses a 10.35 era, a 2.07 whip and an avg of about 4 IP.
His runs allowed differental in Wins and losses is scary @ in 10 wins only 8 runs allowed. In 15 losses 82 runs allowed!!!
AJ is like a manager who was prematurely kicked out of game by an umpire so they figure “What the hell. Let me kick some dirt at him. Rip the base out of the ground and give some fan a souvenir. Curse out his Mom and say something funny about his wife”.
That being said, this year AJ is 1-0 in 3 starts vs the Rangers w/ a 2.50 era and 1.27 whip in 18 IP against them. Maybe he will man up and throw a good game for us. He did pitch 3 out of 5 excellent games last year vs MN, LAA and PHI (@ NY).
Let’s all whip out our incense and summon the “spirits” of Buckey “F’n” Dent and Aaron “Freakin” Boone and hope for great results from an unlikely NY player.
I of course remember that epic Chase Utley 3-Run Homerun in the first inning. Turned off the TV right there actually. Don’t have confidence in Poison Pill AT ALL
Prediction…. Lee gets Doc Halliday money from NYY…4yrs/$80M
Greinke gets Roy Oswalt money from NYY… 4yrs/&70M
Greinke is under contract until 2012.
Right, for $for $27M, but the front office is looking to reduce payroll, and have asked Greinke for a list of 10 teams he will not accept a trade to. The odds are in favor of Mr. Greinke wearing another team’s uniform when ST arrives, it would appear. Seems to be only a question of who will make the best offer. This AM it is reported the Twins are offering Kevin Slowey, Delmon Young and an unnamed prospect for Grienke
— On Tue, 10/19/10, Disqus wrote
Greinke has to get traded first. Or are you talking in 2 years when he’s a free agent (in 2013)??
Trade..players
Lee will get much more than that. The Nationals have already come out saying they’d blow that offer out of the water (They’re willing to offer 5 years, $125 MM to an ace). I don’t care how much Lee may or may not want to win, if SOMEONE offers that, he will take it if nothing better is offered.
Whoa! Are the Nats getting government subsidies? That is a lot of bread to toss at one guy, as good as he might be…
I herd that Grienke wants to go to the Twins. He does not want to go to the Sox, Yanks, Phils, or Cubs.
verification?
verification?
He cant handle a big city with his anxiety disorder. I wouldnt want him on the Red Sox anyway…unless its as a number 3 starter and the royals take john lackey(which is obviously not happening ever).
I herd that Grienke wants to go to the Twins. He does not want to go to the Sox, Yanks, Phils, or Cubs.
lol, there is nothing sweeter than seeing the Rangers DESTROY the Skankees and putting them 1 game away from elimination.
elimination, you will see later today, and a lot of people will be happy.
As a Sox fan, I’d appreciate the idea, but I seem to recall another team down 3-1 with their ace coming up for game five just a few years ago…
Given, I honestly don’t see the Yankees taking this one. With Teixeira down and Sabathia in game one not even being close to 2007 playoff Josh Beckett and Lee still able to pitch another game, odds are way against them, but as I said about the Giants/Phils series yesterday: this is a best of seven.
lol, there is nothing sweeter than seeing the Rangers DESTROY the Skankees and putting them 1 game away from elimination.
the Yanks really need to be practicle this off season…and offer Jeter market vaule so they can have that extra money to get Cliff Lee…because no player in recent history is more worth out bidding your competition over than him…and they probably should trade for a solid #3 starter…because if the Red Sox are healthy and the LA Angels return to form it will be a tight race for the AL East and the West…which will make for a tight wild card race in 2011…
Lee is on the wrong side of 30, so no team should go overboard on a contract offer. I think the Rangers, with their new $3B tv deal, and the Angels, with their rumored to be $4B tv deal, will be in on the bidding for Lee.
if the Yanks don’t get lee…and Grienke puts the Yanks on his notrade list…then the Yankees can forget making it to the WS…unless they pull off a major trade with Seattle for King Felix…and if they are willing to over pay for Arod and Probably Jeter then why not Lee…pitching is precious so the risk is worth it…