Agent Terry Bross told Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post that there has been some “movement” in negotiations with the Marlins about a long-term deal for Dan Uggla. The second baseman, who is one year away from free agency, seeks a five-year deal and the Marlins had been offering a three-year extension worth roughly $24MM.
Though Bross didn’t say as much, the “movement” could mean the Marlins offered a four-year deal. Earlier in the week, Marlins president David Samson told Capozzi that the team is “definitely” discussing a deal with Uggla and hopes to work something out.
Uggla, 30, hit 32 homers in 2010, reaching the 30-homer mark for the fourth consecutive season and posting the highest OPS of his career. He earned $7.8MM and is headed for an arbitration raise that could place his 2011 salary at $10MM or so. I suggested a month ago that a three-year $24MM deal would not be fair for someone as accomplished and close to free agency as Uggla.
i think he is worth a 4yr/40million deal. that seems pretty fair IMO.
I’d say about 4/40-45, maybe even 50.
maybe if he was a better second baseman. 4/45 would probably be the absolute high i go for him on the open market. keep in mind, if things go accordingly, he will be a free agent at the same time as Rickie Weeks, Freddy Sanchez, Kelly Johnson, and possibly Brandon Philips and Aaron Hill.
I still think it’s not right that the Marlins wouldn’t give him what he wanted at first, 6/60.
6 years is a lot to offer to a guy who can’t field the position well and is already at his prime.
How many 2B are as good as him in MLB history and how easy is to find a 30 HR 2B?
Not many. Uggla has great power for a 2B. That said, he’s still limited defensively and in his 30’s now. I still want to sign him to a deal, but something reasonable. 4/42 is reasonable to me.
at least put in a club option.
Agreed.
ok, but he is also terrible deffensively. it doesn’t cancel eachother out or anything, but he isn’t worth 6year deals. especially since he is already what, 30? 31?
you need to be careful with the “how many 2B are as good as him…” He can hit 30 HR’s no doubt, but it is a stretch to call him a 2B. He is a hack with the glove. Guy isnt worth elite player money becasue he isn’t an elite player. There is a reason why they didnt get any great offers this off-season; GM’s don’t give up anything of value for 30 HR’s if those 30 HR’s are going to cost you runs throughout the season with this glovework
5.1 WAR
A negative nearly 8 UZR rating on Defense. Again, there is a reason why GM’s wouldnt trade anything of value for him. He can hit but just because he plays second base doesnt mean he is a second baseman
And WAR? Kelly JOhnson has a better WAR, doesnt mean he is worth 10 MIL
WAR? well in that case, he was the 3rd best second baseman in the national league. not baseball, just the NL. that doesn’t merit a 6yr deal when the 2 guys in front of him are free agents at the same time.
It might be worth noting that the only two guys ahead of Uggla in WAR had career years far beyond anything they had done before. Uggla has been fairly consistent with the good bat and bad glove, and yes I realize Uggla had a career year as well. The point being that we know what Uggla will provide. Johnson and Weeks would be really questionable to approach those outputs again.
Oh, and no, I don’t think Uggla should get 6 years; 4 MAYBE 5 max. If johnson or weeks could show some consistency, id take either of them over Uggla personally.
Well, a couple of “2B” that I can think of off the top of my head are Alphonso Soriano and Jeff Kent… but neither of them are what I would call “second basemen”. I’ve always referred to them (and Uggla as well) as “clanks”.
i do…the dude already has an iron glove and it won’t improve any going forward. he’s also a power hitter and that would decline as well. 6 years is WAY to much IMO. although i agree the marlins are lowballing him.
I think you’re right, 6 years seems like too much for me, especially for a team that can’t afford bad contracts. If it were a big market team they might be able to live with it but the Marlins are already hamstrung by a tightwad owner, getting hamstrung by a bad contract isn’t what they need.
I highly doubt the Marlins will hand Uggla anything close to a five-year deal.
I know Uggla isn’t the most sure-handed fielder, but those power numbers are mighty attractive for a MI. I could see a trade to the Tigers…
How can the Marlins logically offer Uggla 3yrs/24mm??? A second basemen with his kind of production can get around 10mm annually no problem. I don’t think the Marlins are going to be able to afford guys like Uggla and Ramirez in the long-term if they’re going to make garbage offers like that to lock them up.
A 3/yr, $24 million dollar offer would just be posturing on the Marlins part, knowing he wouldn’t accept it. That way they’d be able to say that he wouldn’t accept what they could offer when they traded him. Given that we know they have more money than they claim it’s a pretty big slap in the face to Fish Fans.
Gotta start somewhere. I’m sure the Marlins fully expected Uggla to reject that offer. This is how negotiation works. The two sides present their numbers, probably not fully expecting either side to say “OK THAT WORKS!”, and you find something you can agree on.
And speaking as a Marlins fan, I love the hell out of Uggla. But personally I think 5 years is too much, considering Uggla’s age as well. Highest I’d go is 4 with the club option of the 5th year.
Lol We Fish fans deal with this every offseason
they should just trade him for a new host of young players…as a team that doesn’t like to spend money…they are making to small an offer and at the wrong time…they should have given him an extention earlier in his career that took him into his early thirties…he is now more of an injury risk especially if he gets the years he wants…a big contract combined with some injuries would make him very difficult to trade…and they live by philosophy…
problem is not many teams are looking to move elite level prospects for a 10 Mil all bat no glove 2B. I think its possible that Uggla will make more money going year to year in arbitration than he would signing a long term deal. Arbitration is almost entirely offensive production based, the real world (free agency) takes into account defense and range.
Don’t do it, Florida. There are more power-hitting 2B players than there have been in recent memory, and he’s already 30 and bad defensively.
I agree he’s worth 4/40 or 4/45 tops, but you’d have to consider playing him elsewhere. He’d have more value in Minnesota, the White Sox or maybe the Dodgers.
I think he would be worth more in a trade then he is in a extention…. If his power drops of he becomes absolute deadweight. I would trade him for some upper level prospects in hopes of compeating in the near future.
Uggla is definitely worth more. Sliding him over to 3B would help too.
I will finally side with the Marlins on this one. A second baseman that is 30 already should only get three guaranteed years with the fourth being a vesting option. If he does not take that there is plenty of motivation to move him. Many teams would being willing to trade good prospects if they felt they could sign him long term. The twins are the perfect match. they have the farm system to do it, the money to sign him, and the need for a 5 or 6 hole right handed power hitter.