Soon-to-be free agent outfielder Jayson Werth is now represented by Scott Boras, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com (via Twitter). Werth split with the Beverly Hills Sports Council earlier this month and was said to be looking for an agent that charged less than the usual 5% commission.
Along with Carl Crawford, the 31-year-old Werth figures to be the most highly sought-after free agent outfielder this winter. His 3-for-5 day today included a walk-off homer, pushing his season line to .292/.381/.521 with 24 homers and a career best .902 OPS.
Speculation earlier this season had Werth getting something similar to the four-year, $66MM contract that Jason Bay received last winter, but never underestimate Scott Boras. Both players hit the market at age 31 and put up very similar triple-slash lines in their walk years (Bay had a .921 OPS in 2009), but Werth is superior defensively and has World Series experience to his credit.
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SHOCKED I tell you. SHOCKED!
inorite? I thought for sure that would never ever happen.
Ca-Chingggggg$$$$$$$
He would be
so he couldn’t find someone to charge less than 5% so he got boras….
Yep, it’s all about the Benjamins with this guy. Can’t fault him for that though, that’s just good financial planning. Greedy or astute, call it what you like but he’s taking an active role in looking out for himself.
People coul say whatever theey want…This is a smart, smart move by jayson Werth…
It’s an even better move for Boras.
Sayonara.
Basically.
you mean his home run today? Or his status after the season?
Both! Hahahaha
Both! Hahahaha
you mean his home run today? Or his status after the season?
Werth just became the greatest outfielder of this generation.
I love Jayson Werth’s power/speed toolset, but if Boras is seeking anything like 4/60 or 5/75, teams really should take pause.
His talent and production are real, no question — but he’s still not a “cornerstone” type player on a contending team. He’s not an elite 3 or 4 hitter — far too raw fundamentally to ever be either, and too old to realistically expect to suddenly improve (he’ll turn 32 next year).
He’s absolutely a phenomenal athlete — you watch him play and he is just the definition of a “5-tool player” — but any team that signs him has to realize that he’s hardly an “anchor” type player now, so it’s unlikely he’ll become one as he approaches his mid-30’s.
Again, I’m a big Werth fan — just trying to be as honest as possible.
“Now playing for the New York Yankees: the overpaid Jayson Werth.”
Sorry but i’d rather have Swish in RF who hits .395 w/ RISP while Werth is a walking strikeout with men on base.
Check out Werth’s RISP numbers the last 3 years before you speak so quickly. It isn’t a skill, it’s bad breaks.
Clutch hitting is like Bigfoot, a lot of people have claimed to see it but there isn’t any proof of it. A further look at the details is all it takes. Hitting with RISP fluctuates just like every other category, it’s not magic, it’s luck/skill/opportunity all combined into a specific subset of at-bats culled from the course of a 162 game season. In other words, it doesn’t exist unless we see the numbers and will it into existence without looking at all the other numbers as well.
That said, I’d rather have Swish than Werth too.
100% true.
Bad breaks I think not… Ground balls, K’s, are far from bad breaks. Hitting with RISP makes you a clutch hitter. Being a clutch hitter is a skill.
Virtually every statistical analysis I’ve ever seen says you’re wrong.
Virtually every statistical analysis I’ve ever seen says you’re wrong.
Agreed. Besides, the Yanks need the money to spend on Cliff Lee and Carl Crawford. LOL.
The stat you bring up to prove why swish is better than werth….
and you use RISP AVG………… LOL
that is almost as funny as me replying saying
NO WERTH IS BETTER HE HAS A HIGHER BABIP
Did you find anywhere in my post where I’m trying to say Swish is better than Werth I think not. I just said I favor him over Werth. “RISP average… LOL” RISP average is better than you sound giving it credit. Hitting with runners in scoring position is important because it drives in runs. If you have a let’s say .270 or below AVG w/ RISP, you wouldn’t be driving in many runs would you?
Did you find anywhere in my post where I’m trying to say Swish is better than Werth I think not. I just said I favor him over Werth. “RISP average… LOL” RISP average is better than you sound giving it credit. Hitting with runners in scoring position is important because it drives in runs. If you have a let’s say .270 or below AVG w/ RISP, you wouldn’t be driving in many runs would you?
I agree with the others who responded to this as well. In addition to that Swisher has struck out in a higher percentage of ABs this year than Werth.
Swisher with RISP: 36 Ks in 143 ABs
Werth with RISP: 40 Ks in 174 ABs
So you say trade Swish and get Werth… No I say I perfer Swish over Werth
Why do you turn every post in to a this guy or that guy comparison to a player on the yankees?? are you capable of baseball talk with out mentioning a player from the yankees? I’m beginning to think no.
So you say trade Swish and get Werth… No I say I perfer Swish over Werth
No stats are perfect. But I’ve been watching Werth all season, and his issues with men on base are more than just luck. He needs to change his approach and be more aggressive. He finally swung at a first pitch fastball with 2 outs and a man on second today and drove it into left for a hit. But usually he just stands there and takes until he has 2 strikes on him. There isn’t anything unlucky about that.
Due to the fact that it was a fastball…? Werth sees alot of pitches in his at bats and that’s not a bad apprach actually.
When there’s a man in scoring position and you get a fastball in the middle of the plate, I dont care what the count is, you jump on it. Walks don’t drive men in from second.
When there’s a man in scoring position and you get a fastball in the middle of the plate, I dont care what the count is, you jump on it. Walks don’t drive men in from second.
No stats are perfect. But I’ve been watching Werth all season, and his issues with men on base are more than just luck. He needs to change his approach and be more aggressive. He finally swung at a first pitch fastball with 2 outs and a man on second today and drove it into left for a hit. But usually he just stands there and takes until he has 2 strikes on him. There isn’t anything unlucky about that.
I’m a Phillies fan, and I agree with you. Swisher may not be Jayson Werth defensively, but he’s not far off either. Offensively, there isn’t much difference at all. I’m not sure that the Yankees NEED to give Werth the money he’s looking for, it really wouldn’t be that much of an upgrade.Now Cliff Lee, that’s a different story.
Carl Crawford will be a Yankee before Jayson Werth is.
Carl Crawford will be a Yankee before Jayson Werth is.
Guys I just noticed something. Way off topic but, I just noticed that the son of the greatest clutch hitter in Rockies history Dante Bichette Jr. will be in next years draft, or at least is eligible. I also hear DB Sr. is close to Joe Girardi.
I need to call Damon Oppenheimer and practically yell at him(Sarcasm folks).
The ‘cl’ kinda blurred together for a second so I read “son of the greatest dutch hitter”.
So… Who’s the greatest clutch hitter in Rox history?
wouldn’t it be funny if he had dutch ancestors?
It’s gonna be weird not seeing Jayson Werth not in a Phillies uniform next year. It’ll be awesome but weird. Unless Ruben can somehow fork out the money for him…I doubt it though.
“It’s gonna be weird not seeing Jayson Werth not in a Phillies uniform next year.”
This is like a rubik’s cube of not’s.
pardon me lol, take out one of those not’s
Call me crazy, but the Phillies COULD re-sign Jayson Werth, if they pleased. The way I look at it (which is very bluntly, Lol.), the Phillies have the fouth highest payroll in baseball, and trail the Red Sox by about 20MM dollars. The Phillies are a very profitable team, and if ownership really thought that re-signing Werth put them over the top, they COULD do it.
The way I see it, adding Domonic Brown to such a predominantly left handed lineup is a bad decision. If ownership is willing to expand payroll for one season in 2011, Ibanez walks before the 2012 season, and the net gain is only about 4MM between Ibanez and Werth. So what I’m saying is, is it hard to imagine the Phillies expanding payroll for one season to add Werth?
So where does that put Domonic Brown? LF and Ibanez gets moved or released?
I don’t know if Phillies ownership could do it or not, but they certainly aren’t as profitable as the Red Sox — or even the Mets.The Yankees, Red Sox, Mets all televise their own games, whereas the Phillies do not. Those teams make more money from TV alone than the Phillies do from ALL revenue sources combined (ticket sales, merchandise, etc).That’s actually a pretty staggering fact, when you think about it.
I was pretty vague in my post. Sorry about that. You make a valid point about the broadcasting of games, but to be honest, I don’t know much about that and I couldn’t find any information about what the Phillies are actually worth. My point was that the Phillies should be able to increse their payroll for at least a year. I didn’t mean to imply that Jayson Werth would accept a one year deal. What I meant was that the Phillies could resign Werth for about 15MM dollars per year, and when Ibanez’s contract expires at the end of 2011, the payroll would only have been inflated for the 2011 season. Domonic Brown plays another season at AAA, instead of platooning him with a right handed veteran, and the Phillies go into 2011 with the same outfield they have assembled now.
That said, it’s unrealistic, and any kind of increase in payroll would be better invested in the bullpen / back of the rotation.
I mis-read your post, my apologies.
Anyhow, in case you were still curious, here’s a quick rundown of franchise value:
Yankees: $1.6 billion
Red Sox: $870 million
Mets: ~$850 mil.
Dodgers: ~$750 mil.
PHILLIES: ~$540 mil.
Then there are another 9-10 teams in the $400-500 mil. range, then another 8-9 teams in the $300-400 range…and the rest are all under $300.
Assuming these numbers are accurate (they’re pulled from Forbes’ 2010 audit), the Phillies are at their payroll limit. They’re already spending 75% of all revenue on player payroll alone, with the rest going to stadium costs, employee salaries, etc etc.
Hm, I see. Thanks for pulling up those statistics. Still though, I find it hard to believe that with the recent success that the Phillies have had as a franchise, that they’d be unable to increase their payroll. Like you said though, if the franchise really is only worth 540MM, adding 15MM to an already staggering payroll would be a tough feat.
The Phillies are for sure profitable, just probably not as much as fans think.
I’m not sure if the Forbes audit is taking into account national TV contracts, such as ESPN and Fox, so there probably is money there also. However, keep in mind that the Phillies also most likely pay a hefty amount to the revenue sharing pool.
The Phillies are for sure profitable, just probably not as much as fans think.
I’m not sure if the Forbes audit is taking into account national TV contracts, such as ESPN and Fox, so there probably is money there also. However, keep in mind that the Phillies also most likely pay a hefty amount to the revenue sharing pool.
Hm, I see. Thanks for pulling up those statistics. Still though, I find it hard to believe that with the recent success that the Phillies have had as a franchise, that they’d be unable to increase their payroll. Like you said though, if the franchise really is only worth 540MM, adding 15MM to an already staggering payroll would be a tough feat.
I mis-read your post, my apologies.
Anyhow, in case you were still curious, here’s a quick rundown of franchise value:
Yankees: $1.6 billion
Red Sox: $870 million
Mets: ~$850 mil.
Dodgers: ~$750 mil.
PHILLIES: ~$540 mil.
Then there are another 9-10 teams in the $400-500 mil. range, then another 8-9 teams in the $300-400 range…and the rest are all under $300.
Assuming these numbers are accurate (they’re pulled from Forbes’ 2010 audit), the Phillies are at their payroll limit. They’re already spending 75% of all revenue on player payroll alone, with the rest going to stadium costs, employee salaries, etc etc.
I don’t know if Phillies ownership could do it or not, but they certainly aren’t as profitable as the Red Sox — or even the Mets.The Yankees, Red Sox, Mets all televise their own games, whereas the Phillies do not. Those teams make more money from TV alone than the Phillies do from ALL revenue sources combined (ticket sales, merchandise, etc).That’s actually a pretty staggering fact, when you think about it.
Additionally, I just noticed that the Phillies have had the best attendance in baseball this year, probably aided by those 3 extra home games. There MUST be revenue coming from that. And Philadelphia is a larger baseball market than any other with only one team aside from maybe Boston. Simply put: they should be able to spend.
Well, they HAVE been spending, that’s the thing.
As I outlined in my response above, the Phillies are at their payroll limit, as they’re already spending 75% of all revenue on player payroll alone.
According to the numbers Forbes has outlined, I’d imagine that the Phillies can support just over $150 million payroll before they really start to risk cutting into operating expenses.
Believe it or not, the Phillies actually netted less than almost half the teams in baseball last year — less than every small market team other than KC. The Marlins netted almost 3 times what the Phillies did.
what Forbes and you dont know is that the phillies contract with Comcast is up this year. with the recent success i am assuming that they will get more money this contract.
Well, they HAVE been spending, that’s the thing.
As I outlined in my response above, the Phillies are at their payroll limit, as they’re already spending 75% of all revenue on player payroll alone.
According to the numbers Forbes has outlined, I’d imagine that the Phillies can support just over $150 million payroll before they really start to risk cutting into operating expenses.
Believe it or not, the Phillies actually netted less than almost half the teams in baseball last year — less than every small market team other than KC. The Marlins netted almost 3 times what the Phillies did.
Now I don’t want to make assumptions about your comment, but you are saying that PHI has a larger market than all the teams mentioned earlier with TV contracts? Larger than the 2nd most valuable franchise in the World, the Yanks? You do realize they only have 11 playoff appearances since 1950 and 12 in their entire existence? Don’t get me wrong, they are doing some rad things recently, but…???
I’m going solely on population. I was unaware of the TV market thing, but it seems like the profitability of owning one’s broadcasts isn’t related to actual market size anyway. In terms of potential fan base size, the Philadelphia market is larger than any other 1-team city’s market with the exception of Boston since all of New England follows the Red Sox. You might also notice that I said “1 team city”, which makes the Yankees irrelevant, as they are not the only MLB team in their local area.
Now I don’t want to make assumptions about your comment, but you are saying that PHI has a larger market than all the teams mentioned earlier with TV contracts? Larger than the 2nd most valuable franchise in the World, the Yanks? You do realize they only have 11 playoff appearances since 1950 and 12 in their entire existence? Don’t get me wrong, they are doing some rad things recently, but…???
Yeah but with a roster chock full of thirty somethings all signed to 3+ year deals wouldn’t you want a young gun in there somewhere? I don’t think trading Domonic Brown would be a good idea at all.
God, no. I wasn’t implying that they should trade Domonic Brown. Lol. I meant that he could benefit from another year in AAA instead of platooning with a veteran in the bigs.
I think the Phillies are going to miss Werth more than they realize. They don’t have another power bat from the right side, and unless they can trade for someone still under team control or vastly underpay for it like they did for Werth’s prime years (Which Ruben Amaro had no of), then I feel teams will just throw lefty specialists at the middle of their lineup (Utley’s power splits are virtually identical against both lefty and righty, Howard and Ibanez stats drop significantly, and Brown’s power was cut about in half in the minors) effectively neutralizing the Phillies offense. I think he may have been what put the phillies over the top and I feel this could be their last year to make a serious run at the World Series, if he’s not resigned.
With three of the top 10 pitchers in the National League, the Phillies will be ahead in 70% of those games already by the time the lefty specialists come in…
Perhaps. Although considering Hamels inconsistency throughout his career I’d hesitate to call him a top 10 NL pitcher just yet (Although the 3 of them have quite easily been in the top 6 or 7 since the ASB). But being in a position where your offense is knocked down a wrung or two for a third of a game is not a position I’d want to be in during the regular season and definitely not during the postseason.
Hamels has had 1 bad season out of 4.5. I wouldn’t call that inconsistency. I would call that having 1 bad season.
He hasn’t had any bad seasons. He’s had unlucky seasons and lucky seasons. What I meant was that he hasn’t consistently been one of the best pitchers in baseball( but he has since the all-star break), his peripherals look different this year and if it continues through 2011 then he could very well be one of the top 10 NL pitchers. But throughout his career he’s been more Wandy Rodriguez than Tim Lincecum. I just don’t think he’s reached the ace status yet, and as a Braves fan I’m sure you and I have different hopes on what he does tonight (My bias is showing).
He hasn’t had any bad seasons. He’s had unlucky seasons and lucky seasons. What I meant was that he hasn’t consistently been one of the best pitchers in baseball( but he has since the all-star break), his peripherals look different this year and if it continues through 2011 then he could very well be one of the top 10 NL pitchers. But throughout his career he’s been more Wandy Rodriguez than Tim Lincecum. I just don’t think he’s reached the ace status yet, and as a Braves fan I’m sure you and I have different hopes on what he does tonight (My bias is showing).
Hamels had 1 bad year. hes not inconsist. go look at his stats before you start shooting off
I had already explained that in another reply, it might have been poor wording (although not as poor as your spelling), but I’m not sure what planet saying that someone has been one of the 6 or 7 best pitchers since the all-star break is considered “shooting off.”
Well, it kind of depends on what your definition of “ace” is.
If we’re going to use a really strict definition, such as pitchers who generally are under a 3.20-3.30 xFIP, then Hamels is outside of that. However, that would also exclude Sabathia, Verlander, Haren, Peavy, Santana, Hudson etc — since only about 6-8 pitchers per year go below that threshold.
If we extend the threshold to a 3.50 xFIP, then we get about 10-12 pitchers per year, still a really small number.
Hamels has a career 3.56 xFIP, which clearly puts him in the top-15 pitchers in baseball since 2006.
If I remember correctly xFIP is a stat which normalizes home run rates, and is more predictive of future success than present success, and I believe there have been major discussions about how much control a pitcher has over HR%, and thus normalizing them may not be the best method for measuring sucess. Which might mean FIP is a better measuring stat. Which sits at 3.76, which would probably put him closer to the top 3rd rather than the top 5th of pitchers. I think we’re probably more or less just splitting hairs at this point, and I agree that Hamels is a damn good pitcher. Either way it doesn’t really doesn’t significantly alter my original point that it’s not a very good idea to have a lineup that is going to depend so heavily on lefties. In the short term it would probably be extremely beneficial for them to retain Werth, if only for games that are going to be close in the postseason. Especially since the Phillies seem to be in “all in” mode at the moment.
Yes, you’re correct about FIP being a more accurate predictor of future success.
The reason I chose to go with xFIP is because rather than trying to predict future performance, I figured we were discussing what kind of pitcher he is presently.
Regardless, you’re right that we’re just splitting hairs.
Great. Now he can get an obscene contract with ridiculous years attached. Sorry but Werth does not produce those numbers unless he is surrounded by other big bats. Good luck Boras.
I say the Sox sign this guy at around 4/50MM. He’s drunk off his arse if he expects to get more.
It’s because of the ensuing realization hangover that he hired Boras
Great. Now he can get an obscene contract with ridiculous years attached. Sorry but Werth does not produce those numbers unless he is surrounded by other big bats. Good luck Boras.
I say the Sox sign this guy at around 4/50MM. He’s drunk off his arse if he expects to get more.
Always been a big fan of Werth, and I can’t blame the guy for wanting the best out there. I hope my Braves end up with him, he’d look really good hitting between Heyward and McCann.
Can’t afford him.
He’ll end up around 4/60 and if that’s the case, then we certainly can afford him.
Why do you assume that? That’s roughly what Bay got, and Werth is a similar hitter, better defender, and has enough speed that can swipe a few bags.
In fact if I said “RH power hitter with some speed and good defense in the outfield” I’d think about Holliday before I thought about Bay, and you can be pretty sure that’s exactly the hints Boras is going to start dropping. I don’t expect him to get as much as Holliday, but I do think you’re underestimating the potential size of this contract (even though I agree that that is about what he is–ahem–worth).
Because he’s a late bloomer with an injury history and there will be concerns over his ability to hit outside of CBP. Holliday dispelled those concerns after a terrific half season with the Cardinals.
#1)Bay is nowhere close to the hitter that Werth is. The only reason he got such a good contract is because being on the Red Sox is enough to put hype on any player. What kind of deal do you think JD Drew is gonna get when they finally dump his rear end? #2)Werth is much faster than Holliday and is a good baserunner despite that pick-off a few weeks ago. #3)That was kindof an unavoidable pun lol
Why do you assume that? That’s roughly what Bay got, and Werth is a similar hitter, better defender, and has enough speed that can swipe a few bags.
In fact if I said “RH power hitter with some speed and good defense in the outfield” I’d think about Holliday before I thought about Bay, and you can be pretty sure that’s exactly the hints Boras is going to start dropping. I don’t expect him to get as much as Holliday, but I do think you’re underestimating the potential size of this contract (even though I agree that that is about what he is–ahem–worth).
He’d be a hell of a centerfield upgrade. I’m sick of waiting for Jordan Schafer.
Just because Werth can play some CF, doesn’t make him a CF’er. He can play there in a pinch, but he’s a corner outfielder.
He’ll end up around 4/60 and if that’s the case, then we certainly can afford him.
Can’t afford him.
Always been a big fan of Werth, and I can’t blame the guy for wanting the best out there. I hope my Braves end up with him, he’d look really good hitting between Heyward and McCann.
We know one thing for sure now. The Dodgers aren’t one of the teams that he’s going to sign with in the offseason.
We know one thing for sure now. The Dodgers aren’t one of the teams that he’s going to sign with in the offseason.
lol evil you need to delete off heredude biased much you must want a salary cap then get a real life. i see werth staying in the Nl and crawford possibly with the angels tigers possibly red sox or even a team in the NL.smart players go with boras they want money over anything most of the time unfortnatly but werth sure can fit with many teams.as for lee baseball needs more competive balance its not good for like 3 or 4 teams to always sign free agents i hope for the competive factor he goes outside of the al east baseball will die out soon if it gets to pathetic needs some kind of salary restrictions sooner rather than later
@Rays Fan33
Guy, if you are going to make comments for the world to read. You NEED to make it coherant. It’s really difficult to read your postings and try to decifer what you’re trying to say when there’s asolutely no puncuation. Try writing in english and forego the self-centered gimmick.
lol evil you need to delete off heredude biased much you must want a salary cap then get a real life. i see werth staying in the Nl and crawford possibly with the angels tigers possibly red sox or even a team in the NL.smart players go with boras they want money over anything most of the time unfortnatly but werth sure can fit with many teams.as for lee baseball needs more competive balance its not good for like 3 or 4 teams to always sign free agents i hope for the competive factor he goes outside of the al east baseball will die out soon if it gets to pathetic needs some kind of salary restrictions sooner rather than later
Werth is a douche
Scott Boras is nothing but a dirty leach.. He has no talents of anykind.. He just takes 20% of over 60 players he steals from.. Scott Boras should be banned from baseball. He’s hurting the game.. Its all about money and the need to win now.. these players dont give a s*** about the ame anymore.. its all about getting paid
Of course Boras has talent — he’s a talented agent.
I understand why fans despise him — but seriously, we (the fans) have no one to blame but ourselves because we’re the ones who are willing to pay ticket prices, the ones who are willing to watch games on TV. It’s Boras’ job to get what his clients ask for. How he was able to get the Cards to pay Holliday that contract when no other teams were bidding is beyond me — the Cards have no one to blame but themselves.
This is free enterprise, the freedom to **TRY** to make the best living we can. If you’d rather live in an economic system in which everything is “fair”, then you have that choice also — after all, there are plenty of countries in the world in which communism is still practiced.
I hope Werth signs with Boston, because they most likely could not afford to add a Prince Fielder type bat.
“Jayson Werth Now Represented By Scott Boras”
Was Satan too busy to help Jason Werth instead?
no surprise there.