7:39pm: Ramirez has told friends that he would waive his no-trade clause to approve a deal to the White Sox, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (on Twitter).
6:50pm: Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times hears that the Dodgers and White Sox are discussing a potential Ramirez trade (Twitter link).
5:43pm: The Dodgers are preparing for trade talks with the White Sox, according to Toni Ginnetti of the Chicago Sun-Times. The Dodgers are reviewing scouting reports on some of Chicago’s minor leaguers, since the White Sox have previously shown interest in Manny Ramirez, who hit the waiver wire today. Ginnetti reports that the Dodgers “appeared to be trying to negotiate a trade” instead of handing Ramirez and his salary over.
All National League teams have to pass on Ramirez for the White Sox to trade for him, but the Dodgers seem to be anticipating a claim by Chicago. As ESPN.com's Buster Olney pointed out on Twitter today, any team that takes on Ramirez's salary would be "committing $4MM for a player whose last hit came 57 days ago." The slugging left fielder has struggled to hit in the majors since returning from the disabled list, but the White Sox could use an upgrade at DH.
You mean Manny is going to take time off from his vacation to play for the White Sox? We shall see about that… better get him a contract with 5 hour energy drink too … he’s a lazy son of B
couldn’t have said it better
im willing to bet its 1-2 lower level prospects, a pitcher and a position player, probably from AA and the whitesox taking 100% of mannys remaining contract
2 players AND take on the money? That’s a tall order.
not if they are lower level prospects not named danks, mitchell, morell, flowers, or vicedio, and considering most of the 4 mill is differed its not that bad of a deal.
When will you people realize that Viciedo is on the 40-man roster? Jeeez.
since when does a player being on the 40 man mean they are off limits in a trade?
Players on the 40 man roster must pass waivers to be traded. No way that Viciedo would pass waivers, every AL team would put in a claim.
Yes, thank you.
he could be a PTBNL if he was in the deal
Bad deal. Prospects and LA pays or nothing and we take on the contract. That’s it.
How do they determine WHEN or HOW a team passes on a player such as Manny before he hits the Whitesox? Is it a matter of CWS placing a claim and then MLB informing the NL teams and lower ranking teams that they now have XX amount of hours to block claim; or is it a matter of NL & lower ranking AL teams letting be known their intentions, and if their is no claim, CWS makes one?In simplest terms—what are the mechanics of placing a waiver claim? Thanks!
As far as I know, every team that wants him will send to whatever source the claim, then the one with the worst record (own division, then other one) would get that claim.
if kenny williams is smart (which i never give him credit for being) he’ll just say no prospects and the white sox will pay manny’s salary.
what do you mean if kenny williams is smart he did it last year with rios
Kenny – please don’t give up a legit prospect for this guy. $4M+ for ~ 30 remaining games? Please think about this again.
If he clears waivers & you can get him for partial salary only then fine. Otherwise, take a chance on pen arms, i.e. Rodney, Fuentes.
Manny for Dayan Viciendo.
Fail.
lol not a chance in hell
Maybe if the Dodgers throw in Casey Blake the White Sox will kick back Gordon Beckham, too!
AH HAHAHA, then the whitesox can call the twins and get mauer for flowers, then call the yankees and offer brent morell jared mitchell and bobby jenks for arod, tex and mo…right
but seriously why the hell would the sox want old man casey blake and lose out on young dude beckham? literally make NO SENSE
Fail
lol. wow.
Be careful what you wish for.
This is simple. Ask the Blue Jays what we gave them for Alex Rios last year.
still the best trade JP ever made
OK. And the Jays are still stuck in the middle of that division. Worked out pretty well for them.
Being stuck in the middle of the AL East is a lot different than stuck in the middle of the AL Central.
I’m sorry and alex rios would have taken us over the hump? enjoy watching the back end of the twins down the stretch.
Oh and fyi, jays are 5-3 verse the white sox this year. and have dominated them the last few years, with or without rios, so goes to show how much stock you should put in to division standings.
Wow. A little bitter there, big guy. I was just responding to the ridiculous logic of “best move ever made”. If it was the best move ever made, why has it produced NO results? And why do Jays fans have such a hard-on for Rios that they are unwilling to realize that maybe, just maybe, 1. the Jose Bautista deal may have been a bit of a better deal and 2. Alex Rios may have floated all the way to Chicago after finding out he didn’t have to play baseball in a hockey town anymore.
HAHAHA when was the last time the blue jays won the world series? Maybe Joe Carter will come back and DH for you guys.
Since when is being stuck in the middle of a division a good thing?
Not only is that an awful trade for the White Sox, it’s also not going to happen due to Viciedo being on the 40-man roster. Only players not on the 40-man can be traded, unless the Sox place those players on waivers as well, and then they clear waivers.
Bottom line, 0% chance Sox trade Viciedo for Manny.
Why would the Dodgers accept no prospects and partial salary? If the White Sox make the claim the Dodgers can force them to take all the salary, the White Sox lose the leverage as soon as they make the claim. They won’t have to part with any important pieces, but please believe they’ll have to pay all of his deal if they don’t.
I said “if he clears waivers” – i.e. goes unclaimed.
McCourt is very PR-conscious. It’s not just about money. LA is now 5 1/2 out of the WC race, so while their chances are slim, they are not none.
Trading Manny has to look like a solid win to LA fans — a prospect who gets tongues wagging — or else this will not happen. Because so much of Manny’s remaining salary is deferred, there is less financial pressure to make a deal.
If Williams offers Wimpy Paciorek for him I’d take it.
Id put money on they get blocked by the angels. Mike just said he believes the angels are still in it and they showed some interest in Manny in the past. Worst comes to worst you get Manny for nothing and have to pay off the contract and maybe boost the offense.
Maybe have to spark a match under his ass to get him to try for once lol.
By no means am I saying its a good move, but i could see the angels doing it.
i really dont see this happening, considering the Reagins basically said that Manny will never be on the Angels (and that was during FA when he actually was an intriguing bat). Plus, i think the angels are hoping to shed some salary and looking to deal Fuentes, Rivera, and maybe Abreu and Rodney
except the angels aren’t still in it.
Try to remember for a second that if we aren’t going to get anything worthwhile for Manny, we can just pull him back. Nowhere is it written that we HAVE to let him go for a salary dump just because someone claims him. Granted, we’re deep in penny pinching mode, & it might be worth just getting the money back, but we could roll the dice & keep him if the Sox or Angels decide to refuse to deal
“Id put money on they get blocked by the angels.” How much are you willing to lose? The Angels have never wanted that juicing clown on their team.
Dodgers will take the 4M and run. This pretend interest in prospects is so someone actually makes a claim.
$4million saved = $1million to Frank McCourt, $1million to the ex wife, $2million to the divorce lawyers
Another Dodgers outfielder? Seems like a tired act.
I don’t know,,,,Pierre has done a nice job for us
Can he pitch out of the pen?
I cant imagine giving the Dodgers any players for Manny unless LA is going to pick up some of the salary.. The more they pick up the better the player LA would get. If anyone thinks that KW will give players AND eat all of Mannys contract they are sadly mistaken. Getting rid of 4 million is a great deal for LA considering they arent going anywhere and have no intention of extending his contract
Then again, I think Sox fans will riot if after hearing about Manny to the Sox for almost a month now, and then the trade never happens because Kenny is too stubborn. I think Kenny is going to do whatever it takes to get Manny, and hopefully that won’t require any notable prospects.
I too think that Kenny will do whatever it takes to get Manny, and as much as I don’t want to see him give up good prospects. I can see it happening. Kenny is an aggressive manager, and if it takes a good prospect or two to get Manny I think he’ll pull the trigger. Just look back at the Peavy trade. Peavy was on the DL at the time the deal was made, and he gave up Poreda and Richard as well as a couple other guys.
And look no more recently than the Hudson/Jackson trade. Most would have figured that the Dbacks would be the one throwing in a prospect or cash in that deal, but in the end, it was Kenny who overpaid to make sure he got Jackson. I think sometimes he won’t get the best out of the trade just in order to make sure the trade happens.
Yeah that’s another great example. They gave up a good young lefty for a lackluster Jackson who threw up an ERA of 5, and had really only had one good season in his career. Those examples show that Williams is willing to overpay to get what he wants.
You can get what you pay for, or in Williams case you can get substantially less than what you paid for.
Jackson has a 1.38 ERA in his three starts with the Sox and was throwing 98 in the 7th inning the other day….I will take my chances with him considering Don Cooper will be working with him. Hudson was a righty as well not a lefty.
Whoops, my bad on the Hudson screw up. Yeah Jackson has been pretty good with the Sox no doubt, but before he came to the Sox he wasn’t flattering. He had the no-hitter, but aside from that he didn’t look like a terrific piece to add at the deadline, and yet Williams gave up one of their best prospects for him.
Have you ever heard of “buy low”?
wasnt one of our best prospects. He is a guy with a lot of potential but still not proven. A prospect is exactly that. A prospect.
I am not saying I didn’t like the Jackson trade, but I definitely think that AT THE TIME Hudson had more value than Jackson did, yet the Sox gave up Hudson AND Holmberg for Jackson. Yeah, Jackson has been great, but that’s in hindsight.
If you need to sum up Kenny Williams job, just look at the Nick Swisher deal. The two best guys in the deal went to NY.
this is widely regarded as his worst move(s). if you want to sum up his job i recommend factoring in a world series, and the sox competing nearly every year he’s been the gm.
should package Dylan Hernandez with Manny…
this is gonna be hilarious when another team claims him before the white sox.
why would it be funny? it would just be simple business. but considering besides the NL the teams in the AL that could block him are non contending teams there is no point to claiming him, The NL is worried about his lack of defense and why would you want a 4 million dollar pinch hitter or a guy who simply cant field if your making a puch at the WS. In the AL he can actually DH and out of the teams that are in it the sox have the worst record. thats not saying there are not a few teams that “think” they are in it might make a play at him it seems likely that he will wind up in a sox uni, hopefully before the yankees series, that would be fun
And then the joke will be on that team when they are on the hook for $4.4 mill, $1.1 mill this year and $3.3 mill deferred.
Believe me, McBroke and Colleti will walk away from Manny if another team claims him.
How many teams can afford to take that salary when they don’t need him?
If it’s justa straight waiver claim, no trade is worked out but the Dodgers just LET the Sox take him, can Manny still block it?
Yes, I believe so, but according to reports, Manny would accept trade to white sox.
Does anyone know what a team can or can not trade during this period; I’ll use this trade as an example in my question.Could the White Sox acquire Manny for a package of: a low level prospect, and Andruw Jones?or can a team (the White Sox in the case) only trade players that have cleared waivers or are not on the 40 man roster?and if so, what would happen if the Dodgers claimed someone like Lyle Overbay, while on the flipside, the Jays claimed Manny, could they be traded for each other then? (provided that both teams win their respected request… … and not saying that this situation would ever happen, just curious)
Insert obligatory no way in h3ll Andruw is ever ever back with the Dodgers comment
They can trade players who are on the 40 man and don’t clear waivers as PTBNLs, with the PTBNLs changing hands in the offseason.
Yeah, please don’t ever mention Andruw Joke coming back to LA under any circumstances. Jerk thought we should be worshiping at his feet even though he was hitting like a high-schooler. Him & Jason Schmidt were the worst deals the Dodgers ever made
No, Dreifort beats both of them together.
i love this. White sox might get manny, red sox got denied by damon, and the rays dont do squat. this is why i love the rays front office
Rays can’t do anything unless Kenny & Ozzie ultimately pass on Manny (which now seems like a longshot).
Can’t believe Cincinnati wouldn’t claim Ramirez. If they could live with Gomes’ defense in left field for 96 games and lack of offense, they could certainly live with Ramirez’s lack of defense and plus offense.
i’m a white sox fan, and i wondered about this too. i just assumed ramirez’s defense was just so abysmal..
RAmirez and two prospects from L.A. to W sox and they pay the 4MM for Ramirez.
you want the Dodgers to send the Sox prospects? You are crazy
I said clear 2 prospects and Ramirez and maybe they pay 4MM, I’m not crazy,Ramirez is overpay,so you pay for your mistake.
Manny is overpaid only because he was hurt. Had he not been hurt, he wouldve been worth this 2nd year… and still, we are trading something to the Sox, not the other way around
The Dodgers only make that deal if they have to throw in Clayton Kershaw, too.
Yeah, you’re out of your mind. The Sox want some help at DH, there’s no way we pay them to take him off our hands. We can keep him & finish out the year – maybe even make a run at the wild card if they turn it up right now. No way we make a bad deal worse
Some part of me wishes the Braves would get him. We have had terrible production out of LF this year and he would only be here for 2 months so it’s not like we have to deal with his headache for years to come
I don’t understand how so many people are 100% sure that KW isnt going to overpay. When he sets his site on a player, he gets him, and seems to be overpaying. Peavy and Jackson stand out. KW has wanted Manny for a while, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he gives up too much. Look at Manny today, it looks like he has his swing back…
He is just the kind of cocky player who would play hard for the rest of the season to get a nice two year deal to retire on. He will screw up once or twice on the basepaths, but sox fans can deal with it, considering the lack of production they have received from the dh spot, he will be greatly welcomed.
as far as the waiver comment goes after the 31st players on waivers are ineligible for postseason, no one would take him and since he is being paid no need to leave the team, even though he may just no longer show up if the sox are out of the race very quickly.
Just the fact that the Dodgers are talking trade with the White Sox tells you that they believe he will make it all the way through the NL and get claimed by the Sox. There are two scenarios:
1) Sox give up nothing, and take Manny and his $4.4M in a straight waiver claim
2) Sox give up some prospects and Dodgers take on some of the salary remaining.