A look at the Orioles players who will arbitration-eligible after the season…
- First time: Adam Jones, Felix Pie
- Second time: Jeremy Guthrie, Matt Albers
- Third time: Luke Scott
Albers could be a non-tender candidate, in that his 2010 numbers are nothing special. On the other hand he's earning only $680K this year.
Last November Jones was on the losing side of a three-way tiebreaker to determine whether he'd receive Super Two status. He'll get his first big payday this winter, perhaps $3MM or so.
Guthrie, 31, and Scott, 32, are a couple of late bloomers. I expected the Orioles to shop them this summer, but there hasn't been much in the way of rumors.
Doubt Guthrie gets dealt this summer.
The Os have entered every offseason the last decade with a wish to add dependable starting pitching only to get spurned by the better options who have offers from contenders. Thats why they have had such a list of older vets added every year trying to reestablished themselves or on their way out of baseball (e.g. Trachsel, Millwood, Rodrigo, Sele, etc..). The only way I see the Os dealing vet starting pitchers is if one or more of their young guns have broken out, and they need roster room. They’re not there yet, and they won’t be this offseason.
Agreed. They’d have to get a knock out offer to deal Guthrie.
Every year I wonder who will be the Delmon Young of ’10, the Adam Jons of ’09…The player who has a breakout campaign and really puts on a show. Well I think Felix Pie will be thatin 2011. I think something like a 2yr/5MM deal through arbirtration should get it done given that he hasn’t had more than a couple hundred AB’s in a season.
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Casey McGehee is one that I forgot but he’s having an incredibly good break out year. Maybe even better than Delmon but that’s a different story. Add the Ax man to that list as well. He’s only blown 2 saves right?
Felix Pie has really turned it around in Baltimore. He’s no longer a free-swinger chasing balls, bailing, and striking out. He’s been injured somewhat this season but whenever he has been in there, he’s been remarkably consistent and exciting to watch. He’s also become a pretty exciting fielder as well.
It just makes you wonder how he might do in a full season. He can imagine him turning himself into one of the best, say, #2 hitters in the AL next year. He’s become so much more reliable now that he’s embraced being a singles hitter who let’s it rip in occasionally favorable counts.
“I” not “He”. Haha.
And he also has a ton of power. He hit one to dead center at progressive and just has been great this season when healthy as you said. I really like Pie a lot I just he has tremendous potential and hopefully next season is the season where he just turns in to a star. Glad were on the same page here. Nice.
I like Pie a lot too, but I think he’s a better player when he sees himself as a Jimmy Rollins, not Ryan Howard.
With a Jimmy Rollins type of player, they have a level line-drive swing and are swinging to the situation either to the left or right side, on the ground or air, trying to get good contact. And, they’re good enough to hit it out of the ballpark occasionally if they get great contact in and around 20 HRs per year. Couple that with a great consistent glove and double digit SBs, then we’re talking about a star.
The Ryan Howard type of player has an uppercut swing and thinks about driving the ball in most counts, getting RBIs, hits everything in the air, and believes in an acceptable amount of Ks. If the balance of exchanging AVG and Ks for HR and RBI works out, these guys get the most glory and respect, but if it doesn’t, these guys can offset their win value added.
Really good analogy and comparison.
I fully agree. Really has potential to be I guess way Carlos Gonzalez is or even better.
I think it’s fair to say that Luke Scott is going to get traded this off-season.
He’s inline for a big pay day and a team not competing doesn’t need to be paying a player 8+MM.
Sad thing is no team is going to pay him what Arbitration will require. Better chance of being non-tendered. Will probably be a victim of the system. Not worth what Aribitration will say he is worth
The Matt Capps of 2010? (best non-tendered player and completely unexpected as to why he was non-tendered)
I agree with you.
And also, this might be the year that Adam Jones gets locked up. His OBP has been dreadful but overall he has had a decent season, he’s still 24-25 and he is a rising star. I think he at least deserves something in the neighborhood of what Denard Span got in spring training.
I think its one year premature for Adam Jones. He’s still very cheap, and a long ways away from becoming expensive or reaching free agency. You have to factor in how much longterm money it would save you to lock him up today vs. waiting an offseason or two more. The guys who gets such extensions that far out of free agency tend to be great batting eye strike zone stalwarts like Longoria and Markakis. They age better, are likely to reach your expectations, and are better bets not to regress. In spite of Adam’s great star potential, his strikezobe judgment makes him a decent gamble.
But he plays better defense than maybe every outfielder in Baseball except for maybe 5 or 10? I agree with you man I’m just saying he’s has a better season than last, so if he puts up huge numbers you don’t want to be paying him 20 mil over 3 years whereas you can pay 15 mil over 4 years now.
I think we both more or less agree. We just move around our numbers differently. It just doesn’t make that much sense to me to extend him now to only buy out one free agent year, which may work out to a substantially higher than 3M immediate raise.
Keep in mind that even a certifiably quality player like Markakis has suffered a power decline this season. So anything can happen with jones who may exhibit great promise but strike zone judgment below markakis. And even with Markakis they waited a few seasons into arb to give him the big extension. IM just saying the Os should wait one more season. Maybe he gets slightly more expensive, but if he has a 3rd good year, he’s a better bet to continue and you’re more reasonably able to buy out more free agent years when he’s in his prime. It’s also about buying about years when he is in his peak.
Okay I got you now and I agree. Sold.
I just think that they should not trade him if his value does increase.
Oh yeh for sure. We agree there. Based on what I’ve seen, I think he stands to be a lifelong Oriole. The fact that he started off the season in arguably the worst slump of all the regulars but is where is now says a ton about how good he is. He was looking the most lost of the bunch in the first half, but has still managed to salvage a strong year and perhaps better last year’s breakout season. He should never get traded.
You bet
The argument that the O’s should trade Scott because they won’t be competing next year is rather self-defeating. And Scott lack trade value because of his age. If you trade him, then you have to replace his power through free agency. It may be better to roll the dice on Scott hitting home runs for an improved O’s team next year than rolling the dice trading him for filler who won’t add that much to the team, whether they compete or not. Even though the O’s have had a dismal season this year, there are clearly hopeful signs for next year. Who would have thought the 2003 Tigers would be competing a couple years later? Who would have thought the 2007 Rays would be in the World Series the following year? Ditto with the ’97 Marlins, ’01 DBacks. The O’s have a good amount of young talent like these teams do/did (even though they have a few more holes to fill than they did). The O’s are closer to competing than horrid season suggests. Trading Scott could make them more competitive in the long run. But of course it depends on who they can get for him — only if the return is very good (not Erik Bedard trade good, but maybe somewhere just below Miguel Tejada trade good and way better than George Sherrill trade good). But trading Scott just because he is a candidate to be traded, without pushing his value to the limit, would be the work of a defeatist. By the way, the situation with Guthrie is similar to Scott. But even though Guthrie probably has more trade value, as a solid starting pitcher he is even less likely to be traded based on his performance this year.
The Oriole’s seeming refusal to go into rebuild mode is what’s really hurting the team. Luke Scott should not be there next year and even though Guthrie is still somewhat young he can be traded for someone younger. Until they commit to starting over they’re going to stay in last place. Showalter seems to be the right direction though.
All the outfielders will stay. I can see them aggressively shopping Guthrie, but Albers will stay.