As they search for a proven starter, the Phillies are discussing Jayson Werth trades with “a lot of teams,” according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Twitter links). Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported yesterday that the Phillies would likely consider trading Werth if they fall from contention. The Phils are 43-40, three games out of a playoff spot, but it appears that they are open to trading Werth now.
Werth, 31, is about to hit free agency and his projected Type A ranking likely boosts his trade value. Werth's team will probably be able to obtain two top picks in next year's draft by offering arbitration. But Werth would have a big impact before next season. He is hitting .279/.365/.518 with 13 homers and plays solid defense in right field.
The Giants, Padres, Red Sox and Rays are among the teams that could be discussing a deal with the Phillies, though that is speculation on my part.
San Diego would love Jayson Werth, Jed.. are you listening?
You beat me to it, Mickey. Man, would Werth look good patroling RF in PetCo! An addition like that would completely change their lineup.
You have to wonder what it would take. With Domonic Brown waiting in the wings, the Phillies may not require was much in return as some think. The Phillies need help in the pen. Maybe an arm like Adams or Gregerson and a prospect?
I have heard more than once that the Padres are “going for it”. Well, he would sure be a guy that I would love on my team that would fit that profile.
Maybe Adams and a legit prospect. Pipe dream or not that is what MLBtradrumors is all about, speculation and dreaming of the ideal lineup. Man, I do not want to give up the farm for any player now that we (the Padres) have finally brought in some good talent for the minor league system however, the Padres have many potential chips. I also see them taking a very realistic shot/look at Gurthrie. If the Padres are going to give up any prospects they might as well go for the “big bat”.
Agreed. He’s the best player I’ve heard “linked” to the Padres. He hits for power and average, plays good D, has a strong arm, and has enough speed to fit their style.
This is the opportunity for Moorad to show fans he’s serious about winning. He’s smart enough to realize that giving Padres fans a playoff run in his first year will buy him 4-5 years as he continues to re-tool the system, team and organization. If he goes for broke and makes a couple smart trades, people will circle the wagons around him and his program. He’d be a fool to not do everything in his power to make that happen.
Guthrie would be a nice addition, as well. Nothing special, but capable of being very effective in this ballpark, with this defense behind him, and this bullpen to support him. I’ve heard the Padres may be interested in Wigginton, which seems like a KT move to me (bring in the league average San Diego product and hope to catch lightening in a bottle).
Agreed. He’s the best player I’ve heard “linked” to the Padres. He hits for power and average, plays good D, has a strong arm, and has enough speed to fit their style.
This is the opportunity for Moorad to show fans he’s serious about winning. He’s smart enough to realize that giving Padres fans a playoff run in his first year will buy him 4-5 years as he continues to re-tool the system, team and organization. If he goes for broke and makes a couple smart trades, people will circle the wagons around him and his program. He’d be a fool to not do everything in his power to make that happen.
Guthrie would be a nice addition, as well. Nothing special, but capable of being very effective in this ballpark, with this defense behind him, and this bullpen to support him. I’ve heard the Padres may be interested in Wigginton, which seems like a KT move to me (bring in the league average San Diego product and hope to catch lightening in a bottle).
he probably can’t hear you over every team yelling that they want him.
Hoyer is a Jedi, he can hear everything.
Fire Ruben Amaro Jr. Please.
I think he wants to trade Werth and Flip the prospects for Lee and sign Lee to an extension and bring up DomBrown…that is my guess.
I didn’t think of that. Good call. I just don’t want to see him dump Werth for prospects on a team that needs to win now. I don’t know if this would help the Phils or hurt them. Offense is so scratchy, but pitching wins games. It’s a tough call. Haha
I agree…Werth is my fav. player…but, if it meant that he was going to get Lee back without giving up any Phillies prospects, the fans would be at an impass on whether to crown him or crusify him…although they could have had them both ALL season, but we know that story.
Or it could mean Haren for the Phillies as well…who knows.
Angels, please go after him! Send Saunders and Rivera to the phils.
HAHAHAH how the tables have turned, I remember all these annoying philly fans saying that they had depth to cover injuries like what happened to the mets last year. Now if they lost rollins victorino and howard for the remainding of the season than you can say they sustained the same exact injuries to position players as us mets. Now im not saying i HOPE they do get hurt but its karma, now WILL THE BRAVES PLEASE LOSE ALREADY
Come back when your team wins a ring. As it stand now, the Mets haven’t won squat since mullets and striped tube socks were cool.
Lol a botched ring you mean, as you could see when you guys won the WS it was against weaker teams ala dodgers who made it with like a record of 84 and 82 i believe, the Rays who are inferior to the yanks, and as you witnessed you cant go toe to toe with REAL pwer houses, enjoy 4th place 😉 just as EVERYONE thought the mets were gonna finish this year, BTW we have 2 WS in our 40 something years of existance in comparison of 2 WS in 100 years to the phillies, 10,000 losses and counting
Well if it was such an easy road through the World Series, why weren’t the almighty Mets there?
24 years and counting!
same reason why it took you guys 100 plus years to have 2 rings
If the Mets had been around since 1883, they would also have 10,000 losses. In fact, through 2008 the two franchises had incredibly similar all time winning percentages. One was .489 and one was .487. I don’t remember which was which, but clearly neither were very good. And since 1962, the Phillies have a better overall record and as many WS titles as do the Mets.
If the Mets had been around since 1883, they would also have 10,000 losses. In fact, through 2008 the two franchises had incredibly similar all time winning percentages. One was .489 and one was .487. I don’t remember which was which, but clearly neither were very good. And since 1962, the Phillies have a better overall record and as many WS titles as do the Mets.
Wow you are salty.
As niether a phillies or mets fan; you need to chill. First off the Mets have made it to the world series once since your were out of diapers. I assume the 84 means you are about 26?
Calm down man; you telling me that the Red Sox winning in 04 (when i was old enough to remember it mind you) against the Cardinals was a fluke cuz the Cards didn’t have the best record in the game that year? Please.
If you make it to the World Series, and you win the D** thing; you get the same trophy as everyone else does when they win one.
The Buccaneers superbowl with Gruden at the helm meant less b/c they beat the Raiders?
thats ridiculous….
“The Buccaneers superbowl with Gruden at the helm meant less b/c they beat the Raiders?”
Actually in this case yes, it does mean less, it is the exception proving the rule. =p
“The Buccaneers superbowl with Gruden at the helm meant less b/c they beat the Raiders?”
Actually in this case yes, it does mean less, it is the exception proving the rule. =p
Kelvin, almost everything you just said was completely wrong. The Rays in 2008 were better than both the Yankees and Red Sox, beating both teams out to win the AL East and then defeating the Red Sox in the ALCS. Almost everyone in the media picked the Rays as favorites going into the World Series, and about 50-60% of the so called experts favored the Dodgers in the NLCS as well There is nothing “tainted” about the Phillies 2008 World Series victory; they beat good, competitive teams, several of which were favored to beat them.
Kelvin, almost everything you just said was completely wrong. The Rays in 2008 were better than both the Yankees and Red Sox, beating both teams out to win the AL East and then defeating the Red Sox in the ALCS. Almost everyone in the media picked the Rays as favorites going into the World Series, and about 50-60% of the so called experts favored the Dodgers in the NLCS as well There is nothing “tainted” about the Phillies 2008 World Series victory; they beat good, competitive teams, several of which were favored to beat them.
Braves did lose, remember 2006-2009?It was terrible. We had all our pitchers go down in ’08 and are still suffering. Mets have a good chance to do damage over the weekend.
this is coming from a giants fan….this is why mets fans are dumb. do you realize last year when all the mets got hurt they ended up 23 games back. the phillies have had quite a bit of injuries (not as much, i know) and they’re only 3 games behind the mets at the moment and 6 behind the braves. that’s a scary team. not to mention were not even to the all-star break yet. they’re within striking distance and in 2 weeks they could be 3 games ahead of both mets and braves.
Hey Giants fan, we were still in first place when reyes and Delgado got hurt, we lost delgado reyes beltran for a WHOLE SEASON, what i am saying is if the phillieslost howard/victorino/rollins/utley for the whole year do you think they can be in contention? im sorry but thats ignorant. the phillies will be a 4th place team this season
i’m willing to bet that they will be in 1st of 2nd.
Im betting the youll finish in third place, phillies arent going nowhere this year, it will only take a “Choking Collapse” by either the braves or mets for them to win the division (like always,they need someoen to choke to go above) thats why i always said the phillies were overated in their band box of a stadium
The Mets do have a reputation for collapsing…
The Mets do have a reputation for collapsing…
that’s why i always blah blah blah. I don’t want to hear any excuses of why you’re team is going to blow this season.
“your” haha. It’s always the other tense corrected. That said you can’t assume any team is going to collapse horrendously unless “you’re” Nostradamus
that’s why i always blah blah blah. I don’t want to hear any excuses of why you’re team is going to blow this season.
i guess winning three straight division titles and going to back to back world series and winning of them is overrated? just another salty mets fans
i guess winning three straight division titles and going to back to back world series and winning of them is overrated? just another salty mets fans
if you haven’t been watching in the last few days i’ll update you. the mets have started their “choking collapse” and the phillies are making them pay
Lol, are you serious? Yeah and if the Yanks lost A-Rod, Jeter, Tex, and Cano, they’d still win right? That isn’t even wishful thinking you are just a retard.
Mets injuries were worst than the phillies. The moment santana got injured the season was over even wright was out for a month.
Ya, i agree.
I think all Mets fans suffer from little man-itous.
They constantly in the shadow of the Yankees; give them a few good games and second place HALF WAY THRU the year and all of a sudden they’re the champs.
My mom once had a poodle that had little man-itous. that’s what i see when i think of a Mets fan.
I think it’s called “little man syndrome” isn’t it?
I think it’s called “little man syndrome” isn’t it?
I hate how Mets fans like you whine that they can’t ever come through in a clutch in the division race. Whenever the Braves lose and you have the oppurtunity to move up you blow it. How long were the Mets .5 games behind this year and they never overtook sole possesion?? I’m not gonna bother with the years that you guys collapsed at the very end because there is no point in beating a dead horse but still…quit b!tching and win some clutch games for once.
It’s a long season. I clearly remember the Mets being ahead this time of the year in 07, and 08. Let’s see how it plays out.
Sox are going to get him. They are in the most need for an OF with a good stick, especially a right handed one, as when Ells gets back he and Drew are lefty and reports are that Cam is going down for the season. Sox also could send 3 prospects to Seattle for C Lee in a 3 way trade, or send a guy like DiceK plus Kalish/some other prospect to Philly. Dice would do well in the NL, he just needs to learn to pound the strike zone.
I know I know, nobody wants DiceK, but he’s actually not a bad pitcher, just too inconsistent for me.
he has a no-trade clause in his contract. they could only move him if he wanted to move.
“Hey Dice. Translate this. You can either sit in the bullpen or go pitch for the Phillies. Your choice”
Seriously, when Buchholz and Beckett are back in a couple of weeks, Wakefield totally deserves to be in the rotation over Dice-K.
That’s a tough choice. They’re both incredibly inconsistent, but when DiceK is on, he’s much better than Wakefield when he’s on. But…Wakefield usually can chew up 7 innings and that’s huge when our bullpen is in the state it’s in. I would just go with Felix Doubront
I’m as huge a fan of Wake as anyone, but he’s been just plain bad this year. Worse than Dice-K
Dice-K is killing the bullpen when he pitches. He can barely get through five innings. I’ll take Wakefield.
I’m as huge a fan of Wake as anyone, but he’s been just plain bad this year. Worse than Dice-K
You don’t think he would be willing to waive it for the right team/city? Having a NTC clause is like a security blanket for some guys. Would he exercise the clause on a deal to PHI or SEA? Maybe, but it’s less likely than if he were being moved to, say, Pittsburgh. It’s probably something Boras wanted in the contract to make himself feel like he won something in the negotiations.
That sais, I doubt Dice-K is going anywhere during the year.
I could imagine him saying yes to Seattle. Closer to home. And maybe Ichiro could explain to him what “stop nibbling, you idiot” means.
If he’s too inconsistent for you, what makes you think the Phillies would want him?
I’m sure the Phils would accept Buch as a replacement though 😛
That’s what I’m saying. He’s been too inconsistent, but we’re not talking about a straight up deal here, we’re saying DiceK plus a blue chip. Dice can be very very good if he pounds the K zone. We’ll give you Buch for Werth, Utley, Halladay, and Howard. I think that sounds fair 🙂 haha jk obviously.
I agree that Dice-K isn’t as bad as he’s made out to be, he’s shown flashes of being a very good pitcher. I think the main problem is the amount of money he’s owed, he’s just way too overpaid to be that inconsistent.
The money owed isn’t bad at all…he’s owed less than 4 million for the rest of this year and then 10 million in each 2011 and 2012. The Red Sox already covered the posting fee. I think Dice-K could be a very good pitcher in the NL…he seems to be a master of getting himself in and out of jams. I think he fears the premier hitters and doesn’t attack them enough. The NL has more holes in the average lineup, and I think Dice-K could be a solid #2 pitcher in the NL. I don’t think he would get them Werth, but if the Red Sox do get him some other way that lineup will be absolutely stacked if/when everyone gets healthy. Who bats 6-9? Werth, Beltre, Drew and Scutaro? Crazy!
The money owed isn’t bad at all…he’s owed less than 4 million for the rest of this year and then 10 million in each 2011 and 2012. The Red Sox already covered the posting fee. I think Dice-K could be a very good pitcher in the NL…he seems to be a master of getting himself in and out of jams. I think he fears the premier hitters and doesn’t attack them enough. The NL has more holes in the average lineup, and I think Dice-K could be a solid #2 pitcher in the NL. I don’t think he would get them Werth, but if the Red Sox do get him some other way that lineup will be absolutely stacked if/when everyone gets healthy. Who bats 6-9? Werth, Beltre, Drew and Scutaro? Crazy!
I agree that Dice-K isn’t as bad as he’s made out to be, he’s shown flashes of being a very good pitcher. I think the main problem is the amount of money he’s owed, he’s just way too overpaid to be that inconsistent.
The Red Sox do need an OF. Ellsbury should come back later,but Cameron is really the problem. Bottom line is that he can’t play every day. Cameron should have been given more time to come off the injury or been shut down a couple weeks ago. He could be shut down now, but then he’s pretty much done or ineffective for the rest of the year. It takes time to do nothing, rehab, and get back to the majors. That is why Werth would potentially be a good fit. However, keep in mind that the Sox could just sign him in the offseason. It will be interesting to see if and what they offer for him.
Peter Gammons just reported (a couple days ago) that Cameron is most likely going to be shut down after the ASB because of his injuries. So that leaves a gaping hole for the Sox order. Although, Cameron left the same gaping hole…
They might start looking at a deal for Dejesus and Soria.
What about Sean Marshall of the cubs?
That would be a good fit
That would be a good fit
What about Sean Marshall of the cubs?
Actually the Q/A guy On mlbtraderumors said that the dodgers may be interested in dice-k.
For who? Maybe some bullpen help, because that’s where he’s headed. I wouldn’t mind making Felix Doubront (guy who threw game 2 vs the Rays) our 5th guy. He just proved that he is better than Dice and Wake.
Doubront hasn’t proven anything. He has potential to be a good starter one day. So far he’s just pitched two games, lasting under 6 innings, against teams that have never seen him before. He absolutely is not far from being majors-ready, but to be a part of a rotation, he really needs to get consistency with his curveball. Otherwise, he’s a two-pitch pitcher with good, but not overpowering stuff. Once he has a bit more time to develop that pitch, then we can talk. If we shoved him in there as is, hitters would catch onto him pretty quick.
BLOCKBUSTER TIME: 3 way deal – Lee back to Phils, Werth to Yankees. Yanks send Jesus Montero and Ivan Nova to Seattle and Javier Vazquez to Philadelphia.
Lee and Vazquez for Werth? Done deal. Lol
Why would they ever do that?? The Yanks need SP, not OF. Their OF is fantastic right now. Plus you’re now losing Vaz.
actually they do need offense and bullpen MUCH more than SP, SP is, or should be, their last concern
Bullpen I agree with, but what are you going to do about your offense?? Posada is your DH, and your OF has been incredible. You have Teix and A-Rod who have been not performing, you going to replace them??
Yankees do not need SP at all actually. They could definitely use a 7th/8th inning guy and to answer you’re question about offense, I personally don’t see it as a huge concern, but if Posada is going to catch regularly we could use someone better than Kevin Russo to slot in the DH spot.
Yankees do not need SP at all actually. They could definitely use a 7th/8th inning guy and to answer you’re question about offense, I personally don’t see it as a huge concern, but if Posada is going to catch regularly we could use someone better than Kevin Russo to slot in the DH spot.
LOL yeah I love Werth, but I’ll throw him in a sack and drive to NY myself for that deal.
Yankees trade: montero, Heath cott, de Leon, nova
mariners trade: lee
Yankees get: werth
phillies get: vazquez and ramirez.
No. that’s all i’m going to say.
I’m pretty sure that the Phills would not take Vazquez for Werth straight up. not even close.
my bad i mis read that.
my bad i mis read that.
You misread the insanely unlikely trade: the Phils are giving up Werth for Vaz AND Lee.
You misread the insanely unlikely trade: the Phils are giving up Werth for Vaz AND Lee.
No. that’s all i’m going to say.
I’m pretty sure that the Phills would not take Vazquez for Werth straight up. not even close.
that is the most one sided blockbuster suggestion ever! Phils get Vazquez and Lee while Yankees lose Montero and Nova for Werth? If the Yankees ever give up Montero, which I doubt they will, they would give him up in a package for SPECIAL player(s), like for Joakim Soria/David DeJesus or Prince Fielder. Although he is struggling now Montero has a REALLY high ceiling. Most scouts project him to have a Miguel Cabrera/Mike Piazza bat when he fully matures as a player. Trading him away for a poor man’s Nick Swisher (Werth) would be extremely stupid. Now a package with Montero for Prince Fielder or Corey Hart or Joakim Soria/DeJesus, now that seems fair.
I would be extremely disappointed in Cashman if he gave up Montero in a package for Soria/DeJesus, don’t get me wrong I like both those players, but no way in hell would I like that deal if it was made.And Werth being a poor man’s Swisher? Really? Did you even look at their stats?Werth career slash line: .266/.361/.473Swisher career slash line: .250/.359/.466They’re pretty much the same player, both have also been through similar rough patches with teams that their not currently on.
Edit: I forgot to mention that Werth is the vastly superior defender in RF.
what your not showing is the stolen bases his patience and his plus defense which makes werth much better than swisher
I edited it to mention the defense ~2 minutes after I posted, Werth has Swish on SB, but Swish has a better BB%, so I’d give him the edge in patience. And I wasn’t arguing that Swisher was better, I was criticizing the person who said Werth was a poor man’s Swisher by showing him how alike they are.
what your not showing is the stolen bases his patience and his plus defense which makes werth much better than swisher
I would be extremely disappointed in Cashman if he gave up Montero in a package for Soria/DeJesus, don’t get me wrong I like both those players, but no way in hell would I like that deal if it was made.And Werth being a poor man’s Swisher? Really? Did you even look at their stats?Werth career slash line: .266/.361/.473Swisher career slash line: .250/.359/.466They’re pretty much the same player, both have also been through similar rough patches with teams that their not currently on.
Edit: I forgot to mention that Werth is the vastly superior defender in RF.
God awful idea. I hope you were joking.
God awful idea. I hope you were joking.
Phillies stats don’t translate to AT&T. (Lookin’ at YOU Rowand!!)
i laughed pretty good at this one.
Well unlike you filthy mets fans the phils dont use injuries as an excuse. The phils are palying horrible not because of injuries but because they are playing just horrible. So while the phillies struggle live it up when they get it going we shall see if the Choke artists can even make the playoffs. Season isnt over a rumor is a rumor until the trades start to go down and the phils are down and out maybe you should keep your mouth shut.
cut the crap. i know a ton of philies fans using the injury bug for underperforming. please don’t act high and mighty.
Is that not a reason for under performing? A lot of guys are having bad years, but with key guys like Madson, Happ, Utley, Polanco, Ruiz, Bastardo… all on the DL, it’s a HUGE part of the reason the team is under preforming. I’m not a fan of excuses, but if I had to use one…
of course it is. re-read what i said and what he said.
i said it is a reason, and thats ok. the other guy was denying that injuries aren’t in excuse.
Ah, my bad. Mis-read.
At least the Phils are still in contention despite their injury bug….the Mets went right down the toilet when injuries hit.
yeah thats true. but i think the mets had more/worse injuries.
And the Mets fans are awful cocky for what a slim lead they have on the Phils. The tables can turn in this division quickly.
If I had to guess, the Red Sox would be the best spot for him. They have what it takes to resign him at years end. I don’t see why the Rays want to add another rental player when Crawford is already going to walk. As for the Padres, it would be a rental also. The Giants might be a good spot for Werth but it’ll take big money to sign him.
Jason Werth is a critical piece of the roster. You can’t replace his production with Dom Brown. Ibanez on the other hand…
I’m sure if they could get rid of Ibanez they would have already.
They can’t trade him, but the Phillies could always cut Ibanez. The value in that move is a question of how ready Brown is and whether they can fill in the hole for Werth (or magically resign him) after the end of the season.
Its a big contract to eat and I don’t think Amaro is in that mindset, but Ibanez hasn’t contributed much with his bat and next year he is only getting 1 year older. According to fangraphs he has a negative WAR so far in 2010. It’s a dangerous move unless the Phils already have a free agent target to replace Werth in 2011.
The only way Werth gets traded is a3 way deal, anyone who wants him is obviously in contention and wouldnt give up starting pitching, so the Phils would have to send him to the Sox or Yanks to get the parts for Haren or Lee.
If Werth does get tradede, Dom Brown comes up and I would platoon Ibanez and Francisco to get the right handed bat when needed. Adding Wigginton would be nice too, he can play some outfield when Utley and Polanco come back.
I think this premise is correct. Werth only goes to get an advanced, good prospect to add to some of the Phils teenage top prospects for a top pitcher (Haren, Nolasco, maybe Oswalt + cash).
Or if the Phils lose 15 in a row here
I like the platoon idea between Ibanez and Francisco. People forget that Jayson Werth started in a platoon with Geoff Jenkins. Haha
All the contenders need to just get rid of their crappy/old players, throw them into a big pot, and then everyone gets to go in and pick and choose who they want. The Sox would get rid of Lowell, Okajima, Delcarmen, Ramon Ramirez. Any takers???
Only if you take Ibanez, Moyer and Baez
They’re not dumping those guys. Maybe Lowell. Other than that, the farm system is pretty much staying in tact also. Kalish isn’t going anywhere. Pull your head out of fantasy land. It seems like Werth would be best suited for Boston but given Theos track record, Kalish won’t go anywhere.
Oh and about Kalish – Don’t be so sure about that, I wouldn’t be at all surprised given the Sox situation right now, and the fact that the Sox will get talking rights with Werth, who is a Type A free agent, and they were going to more than likely go after him next year anyway, which would have closed the door for either Reddick or Kalish. Theo’s “track record” shows that he thinks Reddick is more able thank Kalish at the moment anyway.
What, because Reddick has been called up and Kalish hasn’t? I don’t think that really defines whether or not Theo thinks Reddick is more able than Kalish at this point. Reddick is already on the 40-man roster, Kalish isn’t. Reddick also started the year in AAA, Kalish started at AA. Reddick is also older than Kalish and has a better arm if you needed a defensive replacement. If I had to bet I would say Kalish is slightly higher in Theo’s mind than Reddick.
What, because Reddick has been called up and Kalish hasn’t? I don’t think that really defines whether or not Theo thinks Reddick is more able than Kalish at this point. Reddick is already on the 40-man roster, Kalish isn’t. Reddick also started the year in AAA, Kalish started at AA. Reddick is also older than Kalish and has a better arm if you needed a defensive replacement. If I had to bet I would say Kalish is slightly higher in Theo’s mind than Reddick.
I would really like to see Werth in a Braves uniform. He’s the answer to our right-handed OF bat we’ve been wanting for the past couple years. I know it makes little sense to trade for him right now since he’ll be a rental, but they should sign him as a FA. An OF and lineup with Heyward and Werth would be great.
It makes no sense for the Phillies to trade him to the Braves.
True, Phillies would be very reluctant to do that. But the braves have the pitching the Phillies might want. I don’t see this happening either right now but I think he’d be perfect when he hits free agency.
Theres another side to it too..if the Phillies really believe they’re out of contention then trading him within the division doesn’t make a difference. Theoretically, he’ll only be a Brave for 1/2 a season unless they extend him..
idk who the Braves would give up. Phillies would want pitching help that is ready THIS year. I wouldn’t give up Medlin for Werth. Diaz has been a monsta the last two games. I’d rather get an upgrade in CF.
idk who the Braves would give up. Phillies would want pitching help that is ready THIS year. I wouldn’t give up Medlin for Werth. Diaz has been a monsta the last two games. I’d rather get an upgrade in CF.
I don’t understand why the Phillies want pitching. Well, okay, I understand why they might want bullpen help, but starting pitching? Their rotation has been good for at least 3 quality starts every time through all year (1 from Halladay, 1.5 from Moyer/Hamels, and one from either Kendrick or Blanton). It’s the offense that’s the problem. A bunch of guys are hurt and those who aren’t are underachieving. They can go out and score 12 runs three nights in a row and then get virtually nothing for a solid week. If Cliff Lee came back here he’d just pile up a lot of complete game losses like Halladay has had to suffer through.
I don’t understand why the Phillies want pitching. Well, okay, I understand why they might want bullpen help, but starting pitching? Their rotation has been good for at least 3 quality starts every time through all year (1 from Halladay, 1.5 from Moyer/Hamels, and one from either Kendrick or Blanton). It’s the offense that’s the problem. A bunch of guys are hurt and those who aren’t are underachieving. They can go out and score 12 runs three nights in a row and then get virtually nothing for a solid week. If Cliff Lee came back here he’d just pile up a lot of complete game losses like Halladay has had to suffer through.
True, Phillies would be very reluctant to do that. But the braves have the pitching the Phillies might want. I don’t see this happening either right now but I think he’d be perfect when he hits free agency.
I agree with you on the free agency part, I don’t want to see it though, if he walks or gets traded I hope it is to the AL.
Werth, Cosart, & Singleton to Seattle for Lee and Jose Lopez. Seattle either retains Werth this offseason or recoups the two draft picks when he walks as a type A free agent.
Why would the phillies trade a bat for a pitcher for half a season when the rotation has been the only consistent aspect of teh team?
Amaro has said his goal is to add pitching. The bats, minus all obvious injuries, are good enough to win a World Series…they have just not produced. Plus, a Werth trade would mean injecting a new bat into the stagnant lineup in the form of Dom Brown.
What the Phillies need isn’t more offense, it’s consistent offense. If they score 4 runs every game, they’ll go .600 the rest of the way with the way the starting pitching is performing. If they score 8 here, 0 there, 17 here, 1 there, they’ll continue to be mediocre.
What the Phillies need isn’t more offense, it’s consistent offense. If they score 4 runs every game, they’ll go .600 the rest of the way with the way the starting pitching is performing. If they score 8 here, 0 there, 17 here, 1 there, they’ll continue to be mediocre.
Cosart and Singleton? Wow, that’s a good haul for a guy that will be a FA, Ruben only okays that deal if Lee signs and extension because they could offer that deal to the dBacks and get Haren out of it. But then again, Lopez would be a big upgrade for the Phillies and he can play every infield position like Dobbs.
I don’t think Lee will sign an extension without fully testing free agency…it’s been his goal for a long time. That said, with a Werth extension out of the picture if he’s traded, we could field an offer to Lee (using previously earmarked Werth money) that actually competes with a NYY offer if we move Hamels’ salary in the offseason. I’d be all for a rotation of Halladay, Lee, Fat Joe, JA Happ, and a Moyer-one-year-deal/Kendrick/free agent 5th starter pu-pu platter.
I don’t think Lee will sign an extension without fully testing free agency…it’s been his goal for a long time. That said, with a Werth extension out of the picture if he’s traded, we could field an offer to Lee (using previously earmarked Werth money) that actually competes with a NYY offer if we move Hamels’ salary in the offseason. I’d be all for a rotation of Halladay, Lee, Fat Joe, JA Happ, and a Moyer-one-year-deal/Kendrick/free agent 5th starter pu-pu platter.
If the Phillies trade Werth why the hell would it be to any contender in the NL? Don’t be silly.
As a fan that really likes Werth I don’t know how I’d feel about trading him. He’s been extremely inconsistent all year then goes on a tear then sucks for the next bunch of games then repeats the cycle. I’d rather them get rid of Ibanez somehow and bring Domonic Brown up. But these are just “discussions” reported by the same guy that said Phillies and Cardinals are “discussing” a trade for Ryan Howard and Albert Pujols.
If the Phillies trade Werth why the hell would it be to any contender in the NL? Don’t be silly.
As a fan that really likes Werth I don’t know how I’d feel about trading him. He’s been extremely inconsistent all year then goes on a tear then sucks for the next bunch of games then repeats the cycle. I’d rather them get rid of Ibanez somehow and bring Domonic Brown up. But these are just “discussions” reported by the same guy that said Phillies and Cardinals are “discussing” a trade for Ryan Howard and Albert Pujols.
Werth would kill it in Fenway. I hope it happens.
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Looks like Werth is getting a little too friendly to be any fun in the clubhouse?
No way….if they do trade him I guarantee they get much more than that in return. I don’t see a trade happening unless they are 10 games + back of a playoff spot-not the way the Mets always choke, the weak offense the Braves have, and the way the Phils always pick it up in the second half. In ’08 and ’09 they had the identical record of 43-38 as this year. If anything I think a trade of Victorino to San Diego is more likely or Ibanez to an AL club, with the Phils eating some of his salary.
Are the Braves still being tagged with the “weak offense” tag? Really? Weak in comparison to what? A freight train?
Haha-good one- I guess it would be more like a choo-choo train- The Braves currently rank 15th in baseball in Batting Average-20th on the road- 20th in home runs and 23rd in slugging percentage-As horrific as the Phils offense has been to this point they share identical team batting averages- Who exactly scares anyone in that lineup?- Glaus has come back to earth- the outfield is trash, besides Prado- there isn’t one hitter having a good year. Do your homework before you make dumb comments.
the Braves offense might not be electrifying but they have the right combination of players to win ball games. Good pitching, above-average offense, and a good bench.
I agree with you that no one exactly “scares” anyone (i dont think anyone really scares anyone in the Majors, everyone can be pitched), but the lineup doesn’t have anyone who is completely under producing, besides McLouth.
i would agree with that
i would agree with that
Yep, as much as it hurts me to say it, the Braves are the best team in the East right now. They do what they have to do to win games. The Phillies have done that for the past 3 seasons, but they are not doing it this year. They win very few close games, never come back in the late innings, and almost every single one of their losses is a complete disappointment. Maybe if we trade Werth and replace him with someone who makes contact with men on base instead of striking out trying to slam the ball out of the park, the Phillies can at least give us a little bit of excitement for the rest of the year.
the Braves offense might not be electrifying but they have the right combination of players to win ball games. Good pitching, above-average offense, and a good bench.
I agree with you that no one exactly “scares” anyone (i dont think anyone really scares anyone in the Majors, everyone can be pitched), but the lineup doesn’t have anyone who is completely under producing, besides McLouth.
Oh no! I’ve been transported back to 1997! Someone used batting average and home runs as an argument for determining which offense is better. How about the fact that the Braves have scored 398 runs this season, which ranks tenth in all of baseball. And that’s not their strong suite. Their pitching has given up only 306 earned runs, good for 5th in all of baseball, which translates to a 3.66 ERA, also 5th in baseball (DUH!). What’s that? You want to know their ranking in Defensive Runs Saved? Why it’s 4th in the majors.
All this transpires to being the best NL team, and (Ooo, this feels good) “The Class of the NL East”…
……again.
Haha- As much as you hated those stats you had to use them in your argument too. OH NO! We’re transported back to 1995 when the Braves actually won something. I heard Dave Justice is making a comeback to plug that huge hole you have in the outfield! And if you actually read my post like a grade schooler you would see that I was merely pointing out that the Braves offense is not the “freight train” that the idiot I replied to wrote. I know it sucks being a Braves fan. All those chokes at the end of the season. And to call yourselves the class of the NL East- You didn’t win anything yet genius- There is 80 GAMES LEFT!
Haha-good one- I guess it would be more like a choo-choo train- The Braves currently rank 15th in baseball in Batting Average-20th on the road- 20th in home runs and 23rd in slugging percentage-As horrific as the Phils offense has been to this point they share identical team batting averages- Who exactly scares anyone in that lineup?- Glaus has come back to earth- the outfield is trash, besides Prado- there isn’t one hitter having a good year. Do your homework before you make dumb comments.
Yeah, if you mean Thomas the Freight Train.
ATL Games 85, Runs 398
PHL Games 83, Runs 395
3 more runs while playing to more games than a team with half it’s players on the DL.
7 runs off an 85 year old last night.
Yeah, if you mean Thomas the Freight Train.
ATL Games 85, Runs 398
PHL Games 83, Runs 395
3 more runs while playing to more games than a team with half it’s players on the DL.
7 runs off an 85 year old last night.
Im not sure the Giants would be interested unless they can trade and sign him. Sabean has already said that he would not be looking for rental players.
Werth, Cosart & Singleton for Lee and Lopez? LOL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…If the decide to Phillies trade Werth, they sure as hell won’t want to trade two of the best prospects in baseball to rent Lee and not make the playoffs.
Seriously now- time to check out some farm systems.
Red Sox fans- since Theo would either resign Werth or use those comp picks to sign expensive players we couldn’t afford, I’m expecing a pretty decent return. Werth could push you over the top and past the Yankees. He’s a fan favorite around here. Some players I like: Kalish, Middlebrooks, Renfroe, Tejeda, Exposito, Younginer, Tazawa, Gibson, Iglesias, Navarro…make an offer.
We’ll give you Middlebrooks, Kalish and Gibson for Werth (if we’re excluding the Mariners.) You might have to add a prospect as well to the Mariners if you are going to swap the RS players for Lee.
We’ll give you Middlebrooks, Kalish and Gibson for Werth (if we’re excluding the Mariners.) You might have to add a prospect as well to the Mariners if you are going to swap the RS players for Lee.
I could see Reddick, Middlebrooks and maybe Navarro.
I could see Reddick, Middlebrooks and maybe Navarro.
Ruben is going to ruin a World Series team in under 1 year. That is pretty impressive.
Yeah it is… We need to hire a new GM that has their head straight!
Yeah it is… We need to hire a new GM that has their head straight!
Trade Werth to a contender and have the contender send prospects to the D-back’s or M’s for Lee or Haren to the Phils. Then have Mayberry and Brown play RF.
where did Mayberry go, I liked him last year ad he can’t do any worse than Ibanez. Is there a reason why they haven’t called him up?
Ibanez has proven he is a second half player… look at last year when we recieved him from Seattle… God he sucked the first half with the M’s… but with the Phils his bat came alive.
Yeah, uh…the Phils signed Ibanez as a FA in the offseason. He wasn’t traded.
Ibanez has proven he is a second half player… look at last year when we recieved him from Seattle… God he sucked the first half with the M’s… but with the Phils his bat came alive.
Can’t give a real reason, though he’s not exactly lighting it up at AAA… .245/.316/.407…virtually identical to what Ibanez is giving the big club.
Can’t give a real reason, though he’s not exactly lighting it up at AAA… .245/.316/.407…virtually identical to what Ibanez is giving the big club.
Mayberry strikes out. A TON. He is not the bat the Phillies need. They have too many strikeouts in the lineup already, which is why they can’t manufacture runs late in games (manufacturing runs late in games is just as if not more important than scoring a lot of runs). Ibanez might be hitting .240, but at least he makes contact. When the Phils are in a spot where all it takes is a grounder or a fly ball to score a run, I’ll take Ibanez over Mayberry 10 times out of 10.
Mayberry strikes out. A TON. He is not the bat the Phillies need. They have too many strikeouts in the lineup already, which is why they can’t manufacture runs late in games (manufacturing runs late in games is just as if not more important than scoring a lot of runs). Ibanez might be hitting .240, but at least he makes contact. When the Phils are in a spot where all it takes is a grounder or a fly ball to score a run, I’ll take Ibanez over Mayberry 10 times out of 10.
where did Mayberry go, I liked him last year ad he can’t do any worse than Ibanez. Is there a reason why they haven’t called him up?
Trade Werth to a contender and have the contender send prospects to the D-back’s or M’s for Lee or Haren to the Phils. Then have Mayberry and Brown play RF.
Put Charlie Manuel as GM not Ruben god he just ruins the team each year
Put Charlie Manuel as GM not Ruben god he just ruins the team each year
Again- if the Phillies are trading Werth, they aren’t trading for Cliff Lee. Thats not going to happen.
I like Kalish and Middlebrooks but never heard of Gibson. We don’t want any speedy outfielders or 1st basemen, but could use pretty much anything else.
The Padres, Rays and Giants have better high-end prospects, but the Red Sox system seems pretty deep. If Rube plays his cards right, he could start a bidding war and get a decent return for once.
Again- if the Phillies are trading Werth, they aren’t trading for Cliff Lee. Thats not going to happen.
I like Kalish and Middlebrooks but never heard of Gibson. We don’t want any speedy outfielders or 1st basemen, but could use pretty much anything else.
The Padres, Rays and Giants have better high-end prospects, but the Red Sox system seems pretty deep. If Rube plays his cards right, he could start a bidding war and get a decent return for once.