Oliver Perez is currently on the disabled list with a knee issue, but that hasn't stopped Mets' GM Omar Minaya from trying to unload the enigmatic lefty. ESPNNewYork.com's Adam Rubin reports that the Mets approached the Royals about swapping Perez for Gil Meche, but were told no thanks. Talks with other teams have gone nowhere.
Perez, still just 28, hasn't pitched since the end of May because of the injury, though the team didn't exactly want him on the mound anyway. He had been sent to the bullpen after allowing 24 runs and walking more batters (28) than he struck out (27) in his first seven starts, and continued to pitch poorly in mop-up duty after the demotion. The injury was suspicious enough that the league decided to investigate, which is understandable after he refused a minor league assignment not long before.
Both Perez and Meche will earn the same $12MM this year and next, so the money would have been a wash if a trade did occur. Perez started a rehab assignment last Saturday, so the team has 30 days from then to activate him. It's hard to imagine any team taking on Perez without the Mets eating a significant portion of the money owed to him.
Just RELEASE him.
And what went through Minaya’s mind thinking the Royals would accept this? Maybe he thought Dayton Moore is a more incompetent GM than he is.
Heh. They might as well have asked for Soria as part of the deal.
No. I’m pretty sure he was simply thinking of exchanging one bad contract for another.
Yes, but Meche actually contributes, Ollie does not. I wouldn’t deal Meche for Ollie, even if Meche was making the same $12MM, and Perez was making MLB minimum.
omar should have asked for grienke.
Kudos to the Royals! i wouldn’t trade Gil Meche for Oliver Perez either. Meche has been solid for the Royals most of the contract, at least until the inevitable injuries piled up. Meche has done all he could to pitch up to his capabilities with the Royals, and to get rehabbed properly after injuries. I don’t see Oliver Perez as doing that with the Mets.
The only place they may be able to get something from, and it won’t be much, might be the Brewers. I said MIGHT only because Rick Peterson is there, and he might think he could work with him again. Then again, Peterson has enough headaches with the Brewers staff. He probably has enough pain in his life right now.
LOLMets.
I don’t think even Dayton Moore is that dumb.
This offer says a lot about the Mets farm.
Like what…?
What exactly does trying to dump Oliver Perez say about the Mets farm system?
This comment says a lot about basemonkey.
This comment says a lot about basemonkey.
Ha! Maybe if Perez was once a Brave, then Minaya might have a chance at pulling it off!
“We’ll give you Francoeur and Perez for Heyward…deal? Kthnxbai.”
If I’m a Mets fan, I’m glad Minaya is doing what he can to trade Perez.
Okay, pause – you guys are making it sound like this is a really bad player for a really good player. While I agree with the first part, as Perez has been awful, let’s not make Meche out to be the second coming of Dennis Leonard.
Career numbers
ERA Perez 4.60 Meche 4.51
WHIP Perez 1.47 Meche 1.42
As for just 2010
ERA Perez 1.97 Meche 1.85
WHIP Perez 6.28 Meche 6.66
Not to mention while both have visited the DL, Meche’s injury was to his shoulder, while Ollie’s was not arm related. In fact, many questioned if Ollie actually did have an injury, or was just placed on the DL to clear up space.
Minaya has made some dumb moves, one of which was, ironically enough,to sign Perez. And I agree that Perez is far from a good pitcher. HOWEVER, this is not that far from a trade in which both players may be able to get their careers going in the right direction from a change of scenery.
And before you Sabermetrics nerds start throwing xFIP and wOBAs at me… stop. I’m just saying that it’s not crazy to compare the two pitchers. I mean, the article says Meche, not Greinke…
You mixed up the ERA and WHIP for 2010.
ZING!
D’oh! Let me quickly edit it to make your statement look foolish…
“And before you Sabermetrics nerds start…”
You might as well have said “Gimmie your lunch money NERRRRD!”
2 things, omar has mad A LOT of dumb moves not just some…and its not IRONIC AT ALL that he signed perez
Hey, I agree. But while bringing him in was (hence the irony), trying to ship Perez out isn’t one of them.
trading garbage for Santana = dumb movedrafting Mike Pelfrey = dumb movedrafting Jon Niese = dumb movedrafting Josh Thole = dumb movedrafting Ike Davis = dumb movetrading for Pagan = dumb movesigning Beltran = dumb movesigning RA Dickey = dumb moveNOT signing Molina = dumb moveNOT signing Zito = dumb moveNOT signing Sheets = dumb moveNOT signing ( _______ <—- insert free-agent 2010 pitching bust ) man this guy is a dummy…we should hire that guy that signed Ben Sheets or that other one that signed Kei Igawa or the other one that signed Julio Lugo or the other one that signed Raul Ibanez…..
Way to be just as obnoxiously selective but in the other direction!
this is my point aap212….people seem to have a ha4d on for Omar for whatever reason…they’ll ignore all the stuff he’s done or downplay it when u mention it…
had Cashman, Bean, or Epstein signed RA Dickey, people would talk about them like they are the 2nd coming of Christ…but since its Omar, its lets wait and see if RA wins a Cy young before we give him any props for it…
Yeah, but Omar also made the dumb decisions or plans that made it completely necessary for a wild card like Dickey to come through. That’s a big problem.
…right…like cashman made the dumb decisons ( kei igaway ) that made it completely necessary to sign CC…u can say that about any GM who made a good move after a bad one…it just seems like Omar has become the whipping boy since the SI cover in 06…he might as well come to a press conference in a robe, surrounded by 2 bikini wearing chicks, pimp shades…and scream whooooo ric flair style to the camera…
I’m well acquainted with Minaya’s positive accomplishments and Cashman’s negative ones. Cashman deserved all the heat for signing Pavano, Wright, and Womack instead of Beltran, not to mention many others, like Igawa. But Minaya built a win now team with only two starters a rational person would depend on going into this year.
ok…so what starting pitcher would you have signed if you were Omar…had Omar signed the best SP on the market…he would be getting crucified ( Lackey )…had he gone after the other picks people were begging for ( Marquis…Sheets….) he would AGAIN be crucified…the only SP that has performed well so far is Garland…and he never wanted to leave the West Coast…The Braves were NOT going to trade Vasquez to the Mets…The Phils were NOT going to trade Lee to the Mets…
I’m sick of people getting on Omar for not picking up bums that have been outperformed by the stuff he’s picked out of the scrap heap for pennies on the dollar.
I’d take Niese and Dickey’s first half over ANY 2 pitchers that were on the FA market last year
Minaya wouldn’t have had to trade for Pagan had he not traded him away before hand anyway. And Sheets hasn’t been too terrible this year, he just doesn’t have a solid team around him.
I don’t think you should compare career numbers for Meche, because he didn’t become a respectable pitcher until getting away from the Mariners. In his first 2 seasons with KC, he put up much better numbers than he had in SEA. You can attribute the poor stats for 2010 to an injury. Overall, though, he hasn’t been a terrible investment for KC.
the only comparable for perez is willis
And I’d rather have Willis. He can at least hit the ball every once in awhile, even though he can’t throw a strike anymore.
“Minaya has made some dumb moves[.]”
And Dayton Moore hasn’t?
Paul Konerko+Alex Rios+Gordon Beckham+Carlos Quentin+Daniel Hudson+Mark Buehrle+Sergio Santos for Ollie-Beltran-Reyes and castillo hahahha
If you really want to go all in for the playoffs, take out Beltran and Reyes and add in Maine and Cora lol.
At least Perez has some upside. I’d be inclined to take that trade on that factor alone. Meche has never been good, Ollie has. It’s not like things could get worse for either team.
Meche was an all star in 2007, had a mid 3s ERA, and had a 2.5 K/BB ratio.Try again.
upside?! what world do you live in?
Meche? Really? I doubt Perez could fetch a White Castle burger at this point. The Mets just have to accept they made a massive mistake and release him.
Meche is certainly no superstar for certain, but even swap for Oliver perez, who refuses to go to the minors to improve himself and help the team? prez, he of the losing record in the NL and Meche, pitching for overall poor teams even in the AL even with a better record and stats even? No thanks. At least Meche can be counted on to try and pitch as best he can through his struggles and do a decent job in most cases of it.
There probably is no pitcher of likewise horrible contract the mets could unload perez for and that even includes Zambrano and the AT LEAST 37M he is due in 2011 and 2012, plus that nasty vesting option for 19M in 2013.
19m?! What the hell were they thinking! Do you know what it vests with? IP or GS or something else?
Zito?? Not a horrible player, but certainly a horrible contract (about $72M still due plus a vesting option in 2014 worth an additional $11M). Full NTC though.
You can’t compare Meche’s contract directly with Perez’s because the Royals knew they were overpaying for him as a free agent because NO ONE wanted to sign in Kansas City. The Mets were not in the same situation when signing Perez (utilizing money to make up for the lack of success on the rest of the team).
Lol, Minaya is crazy. Why on earth would the Royals trade Meche for Perez when the money is identical? So, according to ESPN’s GM pole Minaya asks for crazy returns in trades (like this?) and we know he hands out stupid contracts to undeserving players…. how much less could you hope for in a GM?
I’m not thrilled with Jim Hendry as the Cubs GM. He hands out stupid money to free agents too and he seems to get back pennies on the dollar in trades. That said, I’d much rather have him than Minaya. Along with Ed Wade and perhaps a few others he is one of the worst GM’s in the game.
Why are you calling him crazy for trying to be on the good end of a trade? Was Jim Hendry crazy for trading Milton Bradley?
I fail to see how he’s trying to get a crazy return. This is Gil Meche, not Zack Greinke. Let’s not confuse the two.
thats like trading a bus seat for a porsche.
No, it’s like trading a bus seat covered in fecal matter for a bus seat that just isn’t very good.
I guess a lot of people have dyslexia and read “Gil Meche” as “Zack Greinke.”
No, it’s like trading a bus seat covered in fecal matter for a bus seat that just isn’t very good.