10:12pm: The talks broke down not over Valentine's salary desires, but over philosophical differences, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. While their source indicated that the team's decision is final, the FOX Sports duo writes that the volatility of Valentine and owner Jeffrey Loria creates the possibility for a reversal.
Interim manager Edwin Rodriguez will remain manager for the Marlins' series against the Mets in Puerto Rico and the foreseeable future. The Marlins now figure to expand their search to other candidates.
9:30pm: Valentine is no longer a candidate for the job, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
7:57pm: On ESPN's Baseball Tonight, Valentine declined to quantify the chances of him becoming the Marlins' next skipper, writes Capozzi:
“I can’t mention that chance or percentage because I’m in the middle of the process," said Valentine.
Meanwhile, Valentine remains a candidate for a job, a high-placed source tells Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald (via Twitter).
5:27pm: Valentine says that he has no idea if he's still in the running for the Marlins job, tweets Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post.
4:55pm: Bobby Valentine is no longer in the running for the Marlins' managerial position, tweets Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated. Heyman added (also via Twitter) that he is uncertain of what derailed talks between the two parties as all signs pointed to the job being his just a few days ago.
On Friday, the former Mets manager and the Marlins reportedly had a tentative agreement in place. Valentine, a friend of owner Jeffrey Loria, has been linked to the Florida job since Fredi Gonzalez was let go earlier this week. On that same day, Bobby V told the Orioles that he was no longer interested in managing their club.
Well that’s a suprise
That came out of nowhere
bobby came to his senses
Jeffrey Loria is the worst owner in Professional Sports! Where do we go from here? Bobby Valentine would have been an excellent fit for this team and he would have done a marvelous job! So let me get this straight not only will Loria not spend on signing quality players and he refuses to spend the neccessary amount of money to make this team a legit contender, he also refuses to pay the right price for a high quality manager as well?! So if this report is true which I think it is since John Heyman is a very credible source and he gets the inside info, then where do we go from here? Edwin Gonzalez or lousy third base coach Bo Porter? If we end up hiring eitther of these scrubs, we will be talking about a major downgrade from Fredi Gonzalez. So the fact of the matter is we have had terrible ownerships here in South Florida Wayne Huizenga, John Henry and Jeffrey Loria! Fans of other teams especially the Yanks and Sox better have some sympathy for us because we have been through a lot with very cheap disgraceful ownerships. Loria deserves all of the criticism he gets because he is absolutely pathetic! This is very upsetting news for Marlins fans. The talks must have ended because they could not reach an agreement on a reasonable contract. The mood will be melancholy among Marlins fans if the organization ends up failing to hire Bobby V.
So wait you want sympathy from Redsox fans but also take a shot at John Henry for being a terrible owner. I’m sure there isn’t one Sox fan that would like the Yawkeys or the Yawkey-Trust back in the ownership. Henry has been Great as an owner in comparison,so no I don’t have sympathy when you plead your case as such.
Henry may have not felt so bad about investing some of his incredible wealth in the team if the community had invested in the team with support, which will never happen with the current stadium’s location and probably won’t with where the new stadium will be located either.
Nothing against Miami, but take a walk to land Shark stadium at night and tell me how safe you feel.. Imagine the majority of fans that want to attend a game have the same sentiments also and the new 400m stadium is not leaps and bounds better location either.
Before bashing owners into throwing money at teams that the community will not support, possibly think of having the teams play at a location where the possible fans that would attend the games feel as if they won’t get mugged (or worse) going to/from the stadium.
I really hope Heyman is wrong lets see what Bobby V says on Baseball tonight. This Franchise will be taking a step backwards if we don’t hire Bobby V. It is Bobby V or bust. Don’t you guys love meddling cheap owners who refuse to spend money on increasing payroll. Just in case you don’t know, Loria also pockets revenue sharing money and tv contract money instead of spending the dollars on players.
I heard ESPN was giving him a lot of crap about his contract with them….
Why is John Kruk laughing about the situation? I think I happen to have a pretty good sense of humor but I don’t really see anything really that funny about the contract talks. Why does ESPN even care whether he accepts the Marlins job or not to begin with?
Just bringing it up, relax man. They said it was actually holding it up before and it was an issue that had to be taken care of before he took the job….now thats all void anyways
Didn’t Bobby make it known that he wanted to manage again in the MLB when he got back from Japan? So why wouldn’t his contract with ESPN have some kind of out to let him leave if he was offered a managerial job?
I don’t see why many coaches would want this job. They aren’t that bad of a team but it’s such a difficult team to coach. The ownership doesn’t give them any resources to improve the team and they just have to hope their young guys are good for a few years until they get a little pricey then start all over again.
I’m sure you can say this for other teams as well, but the Marlins are usually close to contention yet they rarely make any moves to get their team over the hump. Girardi and Gonzalez each got treated unfairly, why will it be any different for the new coach?
How did Gonzalez get treated unfairly? the team wasnt doing well so they canned him. he never did anything special to try to get the team back into the win column. granted, the bullpen and inconsistent offense have been issues, but fredi stuck with some terrible relivers (pinto) way too often and never shook the lineup around….never argued, never seemed like he was even into the game. so he got canned. he’s still getting paid, so whats so unfair?
you are right on the money Gonzalez showed absolutely no passion, fire, intensity or enthusiasm! However, you can’t blame him in particular for the lousy bullpen because thanks to the Front Office’s lack of motivation to upgrade the bullpen over the offseason he was given a terrible mess! You can’t blame him for the failure of the bullpen to record outs and throw strikes. Did he maybe mismanage the bullpen at times? I definitely think so but still he had to throw the relievers out there that he had available. I am happy to see a Marlins fan who truly realizes how lousy of a job Fredi did as far as managing every aspect of the game is concerned!
Likewise actually, im tired of everyone saying how dare we fire him….everyone wanted his head and thought he was terrible till the Hanley situation, then suddenly he’s the greatest thing ever….
And Girardi was a terrible manager for us. i say that again, FOR US. He didnt know anything about our players and if it were up to him Josh Johnson wouldnt have been a starter cause he said “he does not have what it takes to be a starter.” He didnt know anything about our team and talent system. it was kind of a blessing in disguise. he however, was treated unfairly cause he didnt take shit from anyone and gave it back to loria and got canned. i really enjoyed his fire and risks while he was here. but come on , JJ doesnt have what it takes?
Well, when Girardi (Yankees) & Fredi (Braves) are facing off in the WS next October, come back & explain to me again just how bad of managers both of those guys are. Gonzalez is a winner & I just pray the Braves make the right decision & bring him back. Thanks for making it that much easier, Loria!
What those 2 guys did with that awful payroll/roster should be applauded. Instead, they get canned.
Well, when Girardi (Yankees) & Fredi (Braves) are facing off in the WS next October, come back & explain to me again just how bad of managers both of those guys are. Gonzalez is a winner & I just pray the Braves make the right decision & bring him back. Thanks for making it that much easier, Loria!
What those 2 guys did with that awful payroll/roster should be applauded. Instead, they get canned.
I think this is the end of the marlins for 2010. they are most likely giving up. people are going to be traded and hopefully for pieces that will help in the next couple years. And why not manage the marlins? they have a bunch of terrific talent, and a stadium opening soon so there will be more money to spend coming soon. Bobby V was just on Baseball tonight right now saying he wants in to change the attitude on the franchise. And while im not a fan of Loria either, just playing devils advocate. In 2004 he didnt really dismantle the team, as a couple guys signed massive deals. in 2005 Loria spent money on Carlos Delgado, a bunch of bullpen arms (mecir, todd jones to name a few) he signed Al Leiter and paid most of his players what they wanted. No one went to the games and the season was big dissapointment. so he spent the money and got nothing out of it, so i understand some of his skepticism. at least he gave JJ a contract. But in the end, yes i do agree he is just a terrible person….
I say this is all a smokescreen so that the Puerto Rican Manager can manage the next three Games in Puerto Rico. Then, miraculously, Bobby V will be named as Marlins Manager next Thursday.
That way, the Marlins can HYPE a feel-good story AND get Valentine as Manager too.
man i HOPE TO GOD your right!!! lol
come to the burgh robert. come on….
I for one, am not surprised. I’m pretty sure Loria wanted a yes man down there, same with Angelos. I want Bobby back, but with a guy that’ll let him handle the team the way he wants.
Somehow I can see Loria making the decision to hire Dave Trembley on the cheap
WTF, what a joke… its getting harder and harder to be a marlins fan…. i love my team, but HATE the management… you want the marlins to be successful Loria?? fire Samson, fire Beinfest, fire Hill and after all of that resign!!!!
sorry not resign, i meant sell the team to another owner
The Marlins should interview DBack’s AAA Coach Rick Burleson. Check out his stats, a winner at every level and the type of manager that can fire up a team.
The Marlins should interview DBack’s AAA Coach Rick Burleson. Check out his stats, a winner at every level and the type of manager that can fire up a team.