10:28pm: Morosi and Ken Rosenthal provided a Fukudome update on the FOX Sports MLB Buzz page. They note that the Nationals are on Fukudome's no-trade list, but the Yankees and Red Sox aren't. New York and Boston aren't known to have interest in Fukudome, though both teams have some need for an outfielder.
Morosi and Rosenthal report that the Padres were interested in Fukudome when he originally came to the majors from Japan, though that was when Kevin Towers was the team's general manager. The Padres could use outfield help but couldn't pick up Fukudome unless the Cubs paid most of his salary.
6:09pm: Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com looked at the fortunes of the Windy City's two clubs following their weekend interleague series, and headlined his piece by stating that the Cubs should be looking to deal rightfielder Kosuke Fukudome and infielder Ryan Theriot.
There's little question the Cubs would love to get Fukudome's hefty contract ($13.5MM for 2011 and a little under $8MM remaining for this season) off the books, especially given the club's desire to give more playing time to youngster Tyler Colvin. Both Colvin and Fukudome are left-handed hitters so they can't really be effectively platooned, and obviously Alfonso Soriano and Marlon Byrd are in no danger of losing their starting jobs.
Fukudome's slash line for the season is .276/.370/.453, generated in large part by a 1.084 OPS in April. Since Fukudome's pattern over his first two major league seasons has been to start strong and then tail off into the summer, it seems as if the same is happening in 2010.
Given Fukudome's salary and no-trade clause that reportedly covers 15 teams, Morosi suggests that Chicago's best option is to deal Fukudome for another player with a bad contract of a similar length (here's the list of potential free agents after the 2011 season). Of course, if the Cubs are willing to pay a large portion of Fukudome's salary, then that widens the trade market considerably. Washington apparently showed some interest in Fukudome back in April and he could provide some stability for the Nats' outfield. Their current RF platoon of Roger Bernadina and Mike Morse seems to be working well at the moment and obviously comes at a much lower price tag than Fukudome, even if the Cubs were to foot most of the bill.
As for Theriot, Morosi hasn't heard any shortstop-needy teams sniffing around, though he cites Detroit, Minnesota, Oakland and San Diego as contenders who could use some help at the position. According to Fangraphs, Theriot provides better defensive help at second base (a 15.5 UZR/150) than he does at short (1.4 UZR/150) based on his career numbers. Given the Mets' problems at second with the currently-injured Luis Castillo, Theriot could be a nice pickup for them. He is controllable through 2012 and is making a reasonable $2.6MM salary this season.
The Tigers could definitely use the riot
Garbage for Garbage:
Giants get Fukudome
Cubs get Rowand + $10 mill
did you not understand that the Cubs have 5 everyday OFers and are trading the surplus? They are looking for INFers and pitching, not Rowand.
Lighten up Francis!
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If I remember right, the Padres were interested in Fukudome at one time. But, with better options out there, I don’t know if they would take on the salary unless the Cubs were to cut a deal and throw Theriot in.
I’ve been wary about this team from day one, only because they seem to place no value on speed. How many 1 run games have we lost?
How much would it help to have a top of the lineup that moves guys over?
I’ve always loved the idea of having a Brett Gardner-Juan Pierre type in the 2 spot (to bunt and move guys over) but baseball execs don’t seem to think that way.
The Padres have a good #2 hitter, he’s just unfortunately hitting leadoff right now. Eckstein does all the little things that you and any team in the league wants in a #2 hitter. What the Padres need is a true leadoff man. I like the idea of getting Gardner to leadoff and play center and if I remember either Towers or Hoyer have contacted the Yankees about him in the past. I’m not sure if I’m the Yankees I’d want to get rid of him though.
As for Theriot the Padres could use him at the top of the lineup as well. They could send Cabrera down to AAA were he sure could use some seasoning and he could come up next year with more confidence and possibly play 2nd, his natural position.
If the Padres could somehow get both of these guys, and I know it’s highly unlikely, I think with there pitching they could really make a push this year and maybe even get a bit of a hometown discount from Gonzalez.
Thank you for the reply, but I was talking about a number 2 guy in the Cubs lineup, not the Padres, but your analysis still applies. 🙂
Sorry dude. You are right about the Cubs, they could use a #2 hitter. Oh yeah by the way, the Padres don’t want Fukudome. Does anyone? 🙂
Sorry dude. You are right about the Cubs, they could use a #2 hitter. Oh yeah by the way, the Padres don’t want Fukudome. Does anyone? 🙂
Thank you for the reply, but I was talking about a number 2 guy in the Cubs lineup, not the Padres, but your analysis still applies. 🙂
I’m not sure Gardner would be successful in CF in PetCo, he has a wet noodle for an arm. The Padres have been trying to find outfielders who can throw (Gwynn has a great arm, as does Venable), Gardner’s arm is no where near strong enough for an outfield that size. That said, he would improve the top of the order.
I agree that Theriot would be a great fit. Eck is a stop gap at second, and Theriot would add speed, is adequate defensively, and would take some pressure off of Cabrera over the next couple years. Just getting Theriot to hit lead off would be a dramatic improvement to the lineup.
They still need a big right handed bat to protect Adrian, though.
I’m not sure Gardner would be successful in CF in PetCo, he has a wet noodle for an arm. The Padres have been trying to find outfielders who can throw (Gwynn has a great arm, as does Venable), Gardner’s arm is no where near strong enough for an outfield that size. That said, he would improve the top of the order.
I agree that Theriot would be a great fit. Eck is a stop gap at second, and Theriot would add speed, is adequate defensively, and would take some pressure off of Cabrera over the next couple years. Just getting Theriot to hit lead off would be a dramatic improvement to the lineup.
They still need a big right handed bat to protect Adrian, though.
I can’t see the Yanks getting rid of Gardener. At least not this year. He’s been one of the most consistent players in the line up this season. (Besides the ridiculous season Cano is having.)
I can’t see the Yanks getting rid of Gardener. At least not this year. He’s been one of the most consistent players in the line up this season. (Besides the ridiculous season Cano is having.)
The Padres have a good #2 hitter, he’s just unfortunately hitting leadoff right now. Eckstein does all the little things that you and any team in the league wants in a #2 hitter. What the Padres need is a true leadoff man. I like the idea of getting Gardner to leadoff and play center and if I remember either Towers or Hoyer have contacted the Yankees about him in the past. I’m not sure if I’m the Yankees I’d want to get rid of him though.
As for Theriot the Padres could use him at the top of the lineup as well. They could send Cabrera down to AAA were he sure could use some seasoning and he could come up next year with more confidence and possibly play 2nd, his natural position.
If the Padres could somehow get both of these guys, and I know it’s highly unlikely, I think with there pitching they could really make a push this year and maybe even get a bit of a hometown discount from Gonzalez.
55saveslives the cubs want to move Fukudome to free up playing time in the OF. I doubt they get Rowand, even with the added money thrown in.
Im curious what they want to do with Nady and Lee too. Fukudome, Theriot, Lee & Nady would bring in a quite substantial bounty, to re-up the farm and whatnot.
I’m not sure how much those 4 would really net.
-Nady has averaged 102 games since ’06, and has a career .334 OBP, and he’s not exactly setting the world on fire this season with a .250/.330/.424 line. He’s useful, but nothing a team is going to give up a top 10 prospect for.
-Fukudome is going to be a salary dump, and he’s been cold since the beginning of May, Hendry would be lucky to get someone to take on next season’s salary and get a warm body back.
-Lee has said he doesn’t want to waive his NTC, maybe if presented to a real contender he’d think about it, but either way he’s having an abysmal year so far and a rental of Lee isn’t going to net much in return. (His numbers might be poor due to a low BABIP, but he’s still not going to get much back for the Cubs.)
-Theriot would probably net the most out of any of the aforementioned players and that’s probably because of his versatility and inexpensive control left.
Overall I wouldn’t say the Cubs could get “a quite substantial bounty” in return for these 4 players, mostly salary relief from Lee and Fukudome, and a couple of B level prospects for Nady and Theriot.
Good analysis.
Good analysis.
I’m not sure how much those 4 would really net.
-Nady has averaged 102 games since ’06, and has a career .334 OBP, and he’s not exactly setting the world on fire this season with a .250/.330/.424 line. He’s useful, but nothing a team is going to give up a top 10 prospect for.
-Fukudome is going to be a salary dump, and he’s been cold since the beginning of May, Hendry would be lucky to get someone to take on next season’s salary and get a warm body back.
-Lee has said he doesn’t want to waive his NTC, maybe if presented to a real contender he’d think about it, but either way he’s having an abysmal year so far and a rental of Lee isn’t going to net much in return. (His numbers might be poor due to a low BABIP, but he’s still not going to get much back for the Cubs.)
-Theriot would probably net the most out of any of the aforementioned players and that’s probably because of his versatility and inexpensive control left.
Overall I wouldn’t say the Cubs could get “a quite substantial bounty” in return for these 4 players, mostly salary relief from Lee and Fukudome, and a couple of B level prospects for Nady and Theriot.
Well if they’re looking for a bad contract swap, what about Oliver Perez. The money lines up well. The Mets could use Fukodome as a 4th or 5th OF of the bench. Just a thought. If the Mets through in some money or a prospect, maybe they could get Theriot in the deal too. He’d be a much better backup MI then Cora.
I understand getting anything for Ollie, but the combination of Bay/Pagan/Frechy has been decent. With the season Pagan is having, when Beltran comes back, their outfield will be the strongest part of the team. A 4th/5th outfielder just doesn’t make sense.
And obviously, Reyes isn’t going anywhere so Theriot would have to move to second if we follow your plan. Lastly, I don’t think he is a backup player, nor would the Mets deal for him to put him on the bench.
He could start at 2B then and maybe platoon with Castillo if he returns. Theriot is someone I’d really like to see the Mets snag. He’d be an instant upgrade over Castillo and much better SS or 3B insurance (I’m sure he could handle 3B) then Cora or Tatis.
Good point about Fukodome.
He could start at 2B then and maybe platoon with Castillo if he returns. Theriot is someone I’d really like to see the Mets snag. He’d be an instant upgrade over Castillo and much better SS or 3B insurance (I’m sure he could handle 3B) then Cora or Tatis.
Good point about Fukodome.
I understand getting anything for Ollie, but the combination of Bay/Pagan/Frechy has been decent. With the season Pagan is having, when Beltran comes back, their outfield will be the strongest part of the team. A 4th/5th outfielder just doesn’t make sense.
And obviously, Reyes isn’t going anywhere so Theriot would have to move to second if we follow your plan. Lastly, I don’t think he is a backup player, nor would the Mets deal for him to put him on the bench.
right now that could work..but if beltran ever gets healthy (which i believe the team is planning on) that will put them in an extremely similar situation..not opposed to doing anything to get rid of perez though
Fukudome and $5M to the yanks for Nick Johnson’s injured contract? Fukudome can shift to right and Swish can move to DH.
Theroit’s pretty useful but not for what the Cubs need, he doesn’t walk, he’s not particularly fast, he’s right-handed which we don’t really need more of.
Nady, as I’ve said before should be traded off for whatever gets offered.
DLee should be held onto unless he picks it up and can pull in prospects that’ll make a difference.
I think Swish has been pretty good in right field i mean he isnt the greatest but he worked hard with improving in the field in the off season and its done quite well. But i may be a little biast but i think jay bruce has one of the best throwing arms in the out field
I think Swish has been pretty good in right field i mean he isnt the greatest but he worked hard with improving in the field in the off season and its done quite well. But i may be a little biast but i think jay bruce has one of the best throwing arms in the out field
Theriot not that fast? He leads the team in SB. He isn’t Reyes/McCutchen fast but he definitely isn’t slow.
i like the idea of koske to NY, it would allow the cubs to get Johnson then very likely release him clearing up a full time spot of culvin. What about koske to the braves for melky caberera, melky is nothing more than a controllable 4th out fielder. Move culvin to RF full time and let melky be a back up…or package koske+theroit+pitching prospect(or 2)+ money to the dbacks for dan haren(but only if the connor jackson to the rangers possible deal goes through.
I dont really get why the cubs would want to trade theroit but they do have another SS in their farm that the team is HUGE ON, he basically took castro’s spot as the top IF prospect.
Koske to the rangers for farm hands
theroit to the mets for farm hands
gorzelony to anyone for anything
DLee to the angles for prospects.
Aram to anyone in the AL(he can DH) for anything
Silva(sell high on him NOW) for prospects
Some problems with this idea. Nick Johnson can’t be trade since he’s on the DL. Braves can’t afford such a contract so Cubs would have to eat alot of money so little to none that it will happen. Arizona would probably like some younger pieces as they seem to want to rebuild and a package for Dan Haren would have to be pretty good to make them want to move him. Cubs don’t have that much payroll room so they can’t exactly take on more or give away money but maybe I missed something also Cubs farm system is pretty barren except for a few so they don’t have many pieces to move.
Even if Silva is pitching quite good at the moment he’s still hard to trade because of his contract, Finding trade opportunities for Oswalt seems quite hard so Silva should be even harder.
Now Theriot could probably fetch a decent prospect or two and moving him shouldn’t be to hard.
all good points. BUT johnson being on the DL does not mean he cant be traded IE jake peavy last year… the DL only means the league would have to approve the deal..Also the cubs do have money to spend. The rickets are a very very rich family and they said that money will not stop them if they need to spend it. They are one of the biggest grossing teams in the game today…
also i understand they would have to eat alot of silvas deal. But why not, no one knows how long he can last like this and his history proves he wont do it again next year. Look at his history. He has one good year followed by several bad ones. Sell high on him, eat a big portion of his deal and get some prospects back. the more money the eat the better prospects they get….And its only hard to move oswalt because, well 1s his deal is bigger and im pretty sure his option becomes a guarantee if traded. and second he is having a bad year, well maybe not bad but not a good year.
Yes Nick Johnson can be traded but as you said it have to be approved which may be hinder or not. While I don’t doubt the owners of the Cubs could increase the payroll I’m not to sure they want to do that in a rebuilding effort and while the Cubs have a pretty big budget the have really spent alot already and they haven’t really showed any sign of increasing the budget.
As history shows Silva is really having a career year and most would find it hard believe he would be able to repeat that, I believe that very few GM are really high on Silva this year even though there are some evidence that he have improved and it’s not just a fluke. If Cubs eat almost all of Silvas salary for this and next year the maybe will be able to get B prospect but not much more, trading Silva next year might be more succesful if he’s able to continue have decent ERA for this years as it would show that his performance is sustainable.
Oswalt may have a larger contract then Silva but it’s not like Silvas cheap or something and Oswalt contract seems to match his performance quite good. Also how does Oswalt not have a good year? which stat did you base this on?
Some problems with this idea. Nick Johnson can’t be trade since he’s on the DL. Braves can’t afford such a contract so Cubs would have to eat alot of money so little to none that it will happen. Arizona would probably like some younger pieces as they seem to want to rebuild and a package for Dan Haren would have to be pretty good to make them want to move him. Cubs don’t have that much payroll room so they can’t exactly take on more or give away money but maybe I missed something also Cubs farm system is pretty barren except for a few so they don’t have many pieces to move.
Even if Silva is pitching quite good at the moment he’s still hard to trade because of his contract, Finding trade opportunities for Oswalt seems quite hard so Silva should be even harder.
Now Theriot could probably fetch a decent prospect or two and moving him shouldn’t be to hard.
i like the idea of koske to NY, it would allow the cubs to get Johnson then very likely release him clearing up a full time spot of culvin. What about koske to the braves for melky caberera, melky is nothing more than a controllable 4th out fielder. Move culvin to RF full time and let melky be a back up…or package koske+theroit+pitching prospect(or 2)+ money to the dbacks for dan haren(but only if the connor jackson to the rangers possible deal goes through.
I dont really get why the cubs would want to trade theroit but they do have another SS in their farm that the team is HUGE ON, he basically took castro’s spot as the top IF prospect.
Koske to the rangers for farm hands
theroit to the mets for farm hands
gorzelony to anyone for anything
DLee to the angles for prospects.
Aram to anyone in the AL(he can DH) for anything
Silva(sell high on him NOW) for prospects
How about dangling Lily to ditch Fukudome? Lily, Theriot and Fukudome for Neive,Francouer and Cora – maybe even pay rest of lilys salary for this year ( I think about $6mil ). Mets would be a solid contender with Lily in rotation and cubs can platoon righty Francouer plus drop $13mil off next years payroll. Mets salary stays roughly the same this year and a playoff series or two at citifield would help the pain of paying FUkudome next year. Of course we might be able to get more for Lily if sold separately but just a thought
How about dangling Lily to ditch Fukudome? Lily, Theriot and Fukudome for Neive,Francouer and Cora – maybe even pay rest of lilys salary for this year ( I think about $6mil ). Mets would be a solid contender with Lily in rotation and cubs can platoon righty Francouer plus drop $13mil off next years payroll. Mets salary stays roughly the same this year and a playoff series or two at citifield would help the pain of paying FUkudome next year. Of course we might be able to get more for Lily if sold separately but just a thought
I like the idea of TheRiot going to the Mets, anything that doesn’t allow Cora to get his 80 appearances for his vest to kick in…
I like the idea of TheRiot going to the Mets, anything that doesn’t allow Cora to get his 80 appearances for his vest to kick in…
As a Mets fan, I’d rather give Ruben Tejada a chance to develop into an everyday player then to waste my time on Theriot.
As a Mets fan, I’d rather give Ruben Tejada a chance to develop into an everyday player then to waste my time on Theriot.
what would it take to get theriot?
what would it take to get theriot?
I don’t see either of these guys going anywhere. Theriot is a big fan favorite and is a good option for the money he is paid. Hak-Ju Lee will hopefully be ready by the time Theriots contract is up in 2012. Fukudome would be hard to move I believe. They would need to be real creative to get anything in return for him especially knowing he may crumble again in the second half. I see them offering up pitching, D. Lee, Nady, and either Baker or Fontenot at some point.
I watched Hak-Ju Lee play last year for the Boise Hawks. There is no way he will get ahead of Theriot with his fielding errors. If you had Lee and Castro as your 2b/SS you are going to have error city and plenty of frustrated pitchers. Castro needed more time to work on fielding (he has 8 or 9 errors already). As a Cubs fan, if they trade Fukudome or Nady I would be fine with, if they trade D-Lee I would be a little down but I would understand. But trading Theriot would bother me. He has bent over backwards for this team and to trade him away like that would really bother me. #2 is my boy.
I don’t see either of these guys going anywhere. Theriot is a big fan favorite and is a good option for the money he is paid. Hak-Ju Lee will hopefully be ready by the time Theriots contract is up in 2012. Fukudome would be hard to move I believe. They would need to be real creative to get anything in return for him especially knowing he may crumble again in the second half. I see them offering up pitching, D. Lee, Nady, and either Baker or Fontenot at some point.
Trade Lou it has happened before
Trade Lou it has happened before
I don’t think it will happen, but with Hardy and Hudson both injured, Theriot would be a nice addition to the Twins lineup. He could bat #2 until Hudson returns and would be in the mix for semi-regular playing time as a “super-utility” type player that Gardy loves so much. He would definately be a better IF option than Brendan Harris. Not to mention, Alexi Casilla and Luke Hughes are both injured.
im a whitesox fan so i like the twins being hurt. but theroit on that team would be great for them he is cheap and under control and a solid bat…he could be the everyday SS and when hardy comes back see if hardy can play 3rd(wouldnt be any worse than any other option they have)
I hope you realize the Twins are not currently the White Sox biggest problem… They need to get above .500 before you should be making comments like, “i like the twins being hurt.”
As far as Hardy at 3B… doesn’t make sense because he is the better SS (lifetime UZR of 11.8 vs Theriot’s 1.4). Theroit could see time at 3B, but Hardy is the starting SS if he is healthy.
I hope you realize the Twins are not currently the White Sox biggest problem… They need to get above .500 before you should be making comments like, “i like the twins being hurt.”
As far as Hardy at 3B… doesn’t make sense because he is the better SS (lifetime UZR of 11.8 vs Theriot’s 1.4). Theroit could see time at 3B, but Hardy is the starting SS if he is healthy.
im a whitesox fan so i like the twins being hurt. but theroit on that team would be great for them he is cheap and under control and a solid bat…he could be the everyday SS and when hardy comes back see if hardy can play 3rd(wouldnt be any worse than any other option they have)
I don’t think it will happen, but with Hardy and Hudson both injured, Theriot would be a nice addition to the Twins lineup. He could bat #2 until Hudson returns and would be in the mix for semi-regular playing time as a “super-utility” type player that Gardy loves so much. He would definately be a better IF option than Brendan Harris. Not to mention, Alexi Casilla and Luke Hughes are both injured.
I hate to admit it but yeah I’d trade almost anyone on this team with Kosuke if it meant wiping his numbers off the books. Lilly, Theriot and Fukudome for Daniel Murphy? Which GM says no to that first?
I hate to admit it but yeah I’d trade almost anyone on this team with Kosuke if it meant wiping his numbers off the books. Lilly, Theriot and Fukudome for Daniel Murphy? Which GM says no to that first?
You probably don’t want Theriot on third. He has a rag arm. Part of why he’s been better at 2nd is that he doesn’t have to throw as far as he does at short.
Morosi gives all the reasons why the Cubs won’t trade Theriot while supposedly giving the reasons they should: his replacement is a prospect and he’s getting paid 2.6M.
He had something with the Fontenot-Baker platoon though.
Morosi gives all the reasons why the Cubs won’t trade Theriot while supposedly giving the reasons they should: his replacement is a prospect and he’s getting paid 2.6M.
He had something with the Fontenot-Baker platoon though.
Won’t waive his NTC for Washington? He has a better chance at contending in DC than he ever will as a Cub
+1 (sad but true). Any player would be really dumb to turn down the Nats at this point. They have so many good young players.
On the other hand, they are still in 5th place- and without Strasburg their rotation is Lannan, Livan Hernandez, Atilano and Martin. And only have 3 above average players in their lineup at the moment.
So maybe they are better than the Cubs, but if you have a NTC why not use it to hold off for a month and see what they do, or see what other teams are looking to trade for you.
On the other hand, they are still in 5th place- and without Strasburg their rotation is Lannan, Livan Hernandez, Atilano and Martin. And only have 3 above average players in their lineup at the moment.
So maybe they are better than the Cubs, but if you have a NTC why not use it to hold off for a month and see what they do, or see what other teams are looking to trade for you.
+1 (sad but true). Any player would be really dumb to turn down the Nats at this point. They have so many good young players.
It’s not always about contending, some guys just dont want to move to certain parts of the country. Peavy blocked the first trade to Chicago, ended up accepting it finally. Oswalt has said in the past he didnt want to go to certain places, and that’s his right.
Hah, Jake Peavy. Now he’s trying to get traded again since the White Sox might not really be contending in 2010.
Hah, Jake Peavy. Now he’s trying to get traded again since the White Sox might not really be contending in 2010.
It’s not always about contending, some guys just dont want to move to certain parts of the country. Peavy blocked the first trade to Chicago, ended up accepting it finally. Oswalt has said in the past he didnt want to go to certain places, and that’s his right.
Don’t see the Yankees getting involved in Fukodome. He’s a nice 4th OF, but his numbers just don’t warrant the contract. The Cubs would have to eat a lot of the salary to get a team to take him.
In the case of the Yankees and Red Sox, they would be least likely to take him as his salary would add to the luxury tax hit for both teams. He’s not worth taking that hit for.
The Cubs best bet would be to call the Mets and try to match bad contracts with Oliver Perez and see if the Mets would bite, although as mentioned earlier the Mets have nowhere to play the guy either.
And what would the Cubs want with Oliver Perez? It’s not like it saves them years or money. They don’t have room for left-handed pitchers as it is. Gorzelanny’s already in the pen, Grabow is on the DL, Russell had to be sent down to the minors. They also have better lefty relievers in the minors such as Gaub. Perez is the last thing the Cubs need. At if you’re going to pay a guy, at least Fukudome is useful as a reserve. Perez stinks. Why would the Cubs even bother? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Now if the Cubs could trade Grabow for a bag of peanuts I would be happy. I would rather they eat his contract then put him back into a game. Ugh, every time he takes the mound, I shut off the game because I know he is going to blow it.
And what would the Cubs want with Oliver Perez? It’s not like it saves them years or money. They don’t have room for left-handed pitchers as it is. Gorzelanny’s already in the pen, Grabow is on the DL, Russell had to be sent down to the minors. They also have better lefty relievers in the minors such as Gaub. Perez is the last thing the Cubs need. At if you’re going to pay a guy, at least Fukudome is useful as a reserve. Perez stinks. Why would the Cubs even bother? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
koske would actually not be a bad option for the yankees…any left handed bat would thrive in that stadium. plus his defence is not that bad, more than likely better than swisher….that allows swisher to move to DH, swisher then rotates between Dh,1st,rf,lf, maybe Cf if needed…and posada, granderson,tex,gardner, koske to swap between their positions and DH thus allowing more flexibility and everyone to stay fresh. If i were the yankees i would call about him. offer an expiring contract and a prospect or two..
koske would actually not be a bad option for the yankees…any left handed bat would thrive in that stadium. plus his defence is not that bad, more than likely better than swisher….that allows swisher to move to DH, swisher then rotates between Dh,1st,rf,lf, maybe Cf if needed…and posada, granderson,tex,gardner, koske to swap between their positions and DH thus allowing more flexibility and everyone to stay fresh. If i were the yankees i would call about him. offer an expiring contract and a prospect or two..
Cubs SHOULD NOT trade Theriot
Does anyone know what the Cubs would be asking for to get Theriot? He is 30 years old, but under team control for another 2 years.
The Twins got Orlando Cabrera last year for a low level SS. They also sent Luis Castillo to the Mets for a AA-ball Catcher and an A-ball OF in 2007. These seem comparable, expect for the fact that Theriot is under team control for 2 years.
The Giants got Freddy Sanchez last year from the Pirates for an AA-ball pitcher last year and before the start of this season Tampa sent Akinori Iwamura to Pittsburgh for a reliever.
I think a couple of mid-level prospects would be fair.
The problem is the Cubs don’t need to get rid of Theriot. They have two more years so they have a little more control. MLBTR listed him as a borderline Type A/Type B player. So if the Cubs hold on to him and his small salary for a few more years, they could reap a lot in return if he left in free agency.
I would agree, but the Cubs should at least listen and if they could get more than a couple mid-level players take ’em. Never know, a team might offer the right package (something along the lines of the 2003 Pierzynksi trade, sorry Giants fans).
Does anyone know what the Cubs would be asking for to get Theriot? He is 30 years old, but under team control for another 2 years.
The Twins got Orlando Cabrera last year for a low level SS. They also sent Luis Castillo to the Mets for a AA-ball Catcher and an A-ball OF in 2007. These seem comparable, expect for the fact that Theriot is under team control for 2 years.
The Giants got Freddy Sanchez last year from the Pirates for an AA-ball pitcher last year and before the start of this season Tampa sent Akinori Iwamura to Pittsburgh for a reliever.
I think a couple of mid-level prospects would be fair.
Theriot would be a great fit for the Tigers. He would be an upgrade for them at 2b or SS. As for Fukudome, how about the Braves or are they on the non-trade list? Braves have got to be able to do better than Hinske/Melky Cabrera/Diaz/McClouth in CF and LF if they want to make a playoff run.
If I remember correctly Braves haven’t much budget room so they probably can’t take Fukudomes contract unless Cubs eat salary or take on Lowe’s contract both options are probably not happening. Also even though Fukudome have played center he’s a corner outfielder and Braves got those covered with Hinske/Diaz in left and Heyward in right, center is more of a problem but Fukudome wouldn’t help with that.
Maybe the Braves call the Pirates again for their CF, I heard Morgan might be out of a starting spot soon anyway, and his defense is good, plus he can’t be any worse than Mclouth this year.
Haha, I’m dumb, I totally forgot that Nyjer was traded to Washington, well nevermind then.
If I remember correctly Braves haven’t much budget room so they probably can’t take Fukudomes contract unless Cubs eat salary or take on Lowe’s contract both options are probably not happening. Also even though Fukudome have played center he’s a corner outfielder and Braves got those covered with Hinske/Diaz in left and Heyward in right, center is more of a problem but Fukudome wouldn’t help with that.
How about Theriot for Ryan Streiby from the Tigers. He’s a power bat that plays 1st (but is being converted to the outfield) that is wasting away in the minors because he is blocked by Miguel Cabrera. Throw in Fu Te Ni as well, and it might be beneficial to everyone.
If the Cubs go into rebuild mode and trade theriot fukudome lee etc I’d rather see them get prospects than mediocre major league players. If the mets want theriot for 2b send theriot to the mets for wilmer flores cash and louis castillo.
While I agree that Cubs should try for prospects if they go for rebuild but many of their players have expensive contracts that would be hard to get any value out of unless they eat alot of salary aswell. Now Theriot should have decent trade value but Fukudome and Lee would be hard to get much more then salary relief.
It would be hard but moving Lee is of the utmost importance right now, Make Nady the everyday 1B…How much worse could he be than what Lee is doing. That makes less of a logjam in the OF, four is a lot easier to get in than 5, colvin could give everyone a day off a week and play against the Lefties for Fukudome, who hits them worse than Colvin…The Riot needs to be held onto until Lee(SS) makes the conversion to 2B and figures out his glove.
Trading Silva should cost the Cubs nothing. For crying outload he is 9-1 with ERA under 3, we should get 2 A prospects for him.
Trading Theriot really serves little purpose, maybe we got a decent AA prospect
Trading Fukodeme, would cost us a lot of money, probably about 16 million of remaining 21 million, so why trade him to play Colvin, if you want to play colvin, simple Bench Fukodome
Derek Lee isnt going nowhere, he has to approve a trade
Lilly is an interesting trade piece, about 6.5 million left on deal, partial no trade clause is possible obstacle.
Silva have been great this season that I agree on but Silvas track record isn’t the best, his 2 previous years he was unable to post a ERA under 6 which is quite scary when it comes with a ~12 million dollar pricetag for two years. Now there is some hope that the success Silvas having is in fact sustainable so it might be wise to deal him in this offseason if he’s able too keep this up as he could be a rather interesting piece and could fetch some really good prospects. You have to remember this was the Silva that in his two years with Seattle had 6+ ERA while pitching home games in Safeco Field, I’m not sure too many GM is ready to take such risk by taking on his contract and giving up premium prospects.
There is no way Cubs should trade Silva and Eat salary, 9-1, ERA under 3.00.
No trading, Fukudome, would have to pay too much.
Trade Lilly and Ryan Theoriot and dont change the team after that