The Yankees offically signed pitcher Chan Ho Park to a one-year, $1.2MM deal. He can earn another $300K in incentives. Kang Seung-woo of The Korea Times first reported the agreement a week ago.
At his press conference in Korea, Park said he was leaning toward the Cubs until recently, as they were willing to let him battle for a rotation spot. The Yankees' "history and championship contention" won out, and Park will join their bullpen. Joel Sherman of the New York Times says Yankees GM Brian Cashman lobbied ownership to expand the payroll for Park, but now Chad Gaudin or Sergio Mitre could be traded.
Park, 36, posted a 2.52 ERA, 9.4 K/9, and 2.9 BB/9 in 50 relief innings for the Phillies last year. The Type B free agent was not offered arbitration by the Phils, but they did reportedly make a $3.25MM proposal.
Great decision by Ho Park. Cubs to Yanks is a big jump.
Most Cub fans think this is a great decision too. We’d rather see aging middle relievers take up someone else’s roster space.
Perception meets reality:
fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/breaking-news-chan-h…
There is a reason why the Cubs haven’t won in 4,786,381 years.
LOL
Yeah, and the reason is that they don’t sign guys like Park. A Yankee fan gloating about acquiring Park…absolutely brilliant. Well, you can have him. CHONE has him at a 4.39 FIP, translating to a 4.50 ERA — all in relief. Those pitchers are a dime a dozen.
And who cares about the Cubs not winning a championship since 1908? How does that affect me? I like baseball, but I don’t center my self-image around the team I root for. Try that stuff with a teenager.
You sound upset. And your projections are based off relief and starting. Self image? You need a chill pill.
Upset? From that bush league stuff? You give yourself too much credit. But you do seem to be having some trouble with comprehension. I’ll make things simpler for you.
The CHONE projections are based on 53 Games and zero started…4.39 FIP. Read it again. Like I said…you can have him.
Is it that time of the month?
Here’s a little Cubs genius to feed off for a little while:
chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago_sports_mob/2010/02/ma…
I can forward you the 4th grade reading level translation if you would like.
Wow dude, you sound quite bitter about something.
No Yankee fan is gloating about Park, its stated he is a veteran arm for a middle inning most nights.
He doesn’t determine anything for the Yankees in 2010.
I don’t see why you even comment on Chan Ho Park if he is irrelevant trash. I would just ignore him.
Kind of like the Cubs trading for Carlos Silva, who cares. 🙂
Its not that serious at all. Chan Ho Park will not determine the Yankees success or failure in 2010, and that is the point all along about his signing.
Not bitter at all…some of the comments on here are weak and I probably should have ignored them, but I think, for the most part my comments are being misread or taken out of context. If anything I’m relieved. Some of us Cub fans were worried we’d be using our limited resources on marginal (at best) bullpen upgrades. If you read some of my later posts, I’ve stated the reasons why I believe Park (or any other middle reliever) is not a good fit for the Cubs at this time. Whether he’s a good fit for the Yankees isn’t something I’ve delved into at all. They’re in a different situation than we are.
Fair enough, you were speaking more from a perspective of a Cubs fit on their roster.
you are still covering yourself by saying park is “marginal (at best)” this is wrong. you dont even need to go thru all the numbers that the pro- park and con- park people trot out. chan ho park was literally the ONLY reliable bullpen arm for the NL champs last year and carried the Phillies thru october from a bullpen perspective. I’m willing to bet his ERA was sub 2.00 in the 2nd half of last year, dont have the numbers in front of me. you may have missed this being that the cubs were out of it by july and you stopped paying attention.
Park is a marginal UPGRADE at best over what the Cubs already have in their bullpen. And I don’t think ERA and a small second half sample size is something to hang your hat on anyway. I’m looking at the overall picture. Per CHONE, the Cubs have about 4-5 relievers who project a better FIP than Park in 2010– and all make less than the 1.5M he’ll probably get. I’m relieved the Cubs will go with cheaper, internal options in the bullpen. If you like Park, fine. If you’re a Yankee fan who thinks this is great, fine. I just didn’t want him for the Cubs.
Park is a marginal UPGRADE at best over what the Cubs already have in their bullpen. And I don’t think ERA and a small second half sample size is something to hang your hat on anyway. I’m looking at the overall picture. Per CHONE, the Cubs have about 4-5 relievers who project a better FIP than Park in 2010– and all make less than the 1.5M he’ll probably get. I’m relieved the Cubs will go with cheaper, internal options in the bullpen. If you like Park, fine. If you’re a Yankee fan who thinks this is great, fine. I just didn’t want him for the Cubs.
I can’t believe there is this much talk, this much fixed opinion, and this much energy to argue on the subject of Chan Ho Park. It’s hilarious. No one in the Cubs organization is devastated by Park’s decision and not a single Yankee is breathing a sigh of relief. This meant nothing to anyone. Just stop, people. Really.
you are still covering yourself by saying park is “marginal (at best)” this is wrong. you dont even need to go thru all the numbers that the pro- park and con- park people trot out. chan ho park was literally the ONLY reliable bullpen arm for the NL champs last year and carried the Phillies thru october from a bullpen perspective. I’m willing to bet his ERA was sub 2.00 in the 2nd half of last year, dont have the numbers in front of me. you may have missed this being that the cubs were out of it by july and you stopped paying attention.
When he relieves, he’s actually very very effective. When he starts, he is the least bit effective.
Not so brazen prediction: he’s their LaTroy Hawkins of 2010. Traded by June after he flops.
Good pickup for the pen. I would not have minded him staying in Philadelphia.
Well this came out of left field
Alright good pickup, just another arm for us.
i thought this bum was done…but i guess not
We shall see. I can see him being another carl pavano or kevin brown. The Yankees: where the stars of yesteryear come to die…
If the Mets would of sign this guy there would be nothing but more Met jokes but since its the Yankees then all good in the world
maybe, but park would upgrade the mets shaky pen.
omar likes to sign bad players
yes it would have been a joke for the Mets because they would have signed Chan Ho as a starter. Park is a good reliever so good move by the Yankees.
Completely agree, it would go something like this…
FIRE OMAR! The last time this guy was really good was before the millenium! We had him a few years ago and he was terrible. Another instance of signing a guy coming off an uncharacteristically good year. He’ll be worse than jorge julio. Absolutely terrible, he’s old and has no upsided. Omar sucks, the wilpons suck, the mets suck, and oh yeah (insert your favorite team) is so much better than the mets and i feel bad for all you mets fans.
That sounds about right…
Park would have been the Mets best offseason pitching acquisition, Park is now 4/5 on the bullpen depth chart for the Yankees.
Do you see the difference?
By the way 1.25m for Park or 1.25m for a guy who’s pitched 5 innings over the last 2 seasons (Escobar)?
That’s why Omar gets bashed.
who has the higher upside, park or escobar? i’m not saying park is a terrible reliever, but metgiantfan is right, this would have been laughed at just like the barajas signing is being laughed at. I also dont think the mets have done a good job this offseason, they completely neglected the rotation. but the bullpen needed an overhall, and park would not have done that. Escobar and igarashi have the potential to creat a very good pen along side feliciano and k-rod. yet escobar’s health is a question mark, basically more risk but more reward.
Yes it would have been laughed at because once again, it would have been the Mets #1 pitching acquisition. If they signed a starter or two THEN added Park then it wouldnt be laughed at because its a depth move.
How can you say Escobar has more upside? He has 5 innings in the last 2 seasons
I can easily say he has more upside, I dont know how you can even deny it. Upside has nothing to do with health. yes i understand he has been injured. but if he is healthy he has the ability to be better than park. Look at the year before he was injured, he was very good. much better than any of park’s recent seasons. The upside is in the IF he’s healthy. No one was giving park a starting job this offseason, not even the mets, they have better in house options than him in nieve, niese, and maybe takahashi.
Even if he is healthy, doesnt mean his stuff is the same. If he’s the same pitcher as before, except in a bullpen role, then yes he’s better than Park. I think we need to seperate upside with realistic outcome.
Does it even matter, Escobar is playing a bigger role on the Mets roster than Park will on the Yankees roster. Hence the difference right there.
The Mets are counting on using Escobar as what “their setup man” or something, Park is not sniffing that anywhere close to the Yankees bullpen, he is at the back of the pen, way back.
Can’t say the same for Escobar
From the Daily News about Escobar
“Escobar, who recently was shutdown with shoulder weakness, said he won’t pick up a baseball until he’s cleared by rehab coordinator Chris Correnti, who is charged with evaluating his shoulder strength. Still, Escobar expressed little concern about being ready for Opening Day, or about the rigors of pitching regularly in the back end of the bullpen, the NY Daily News reports.”
Enough said right there.
Frankie K-ROD last season…3and 6 -371ERA -7 blown saves. Maybe the Mets should of signed him.
The Mets had him back in 2007. Wasn’t pretty.
I like this signing. Gives them some bullpen depth and keeps them from relying too heavily on young arms out there. Also wouldn’t mind Mitre getting traded, but Gaudin has slightly more value.
Nah, keep Gaudin. I’ve always been a big supporter of using average starters in the bullpen, as it usually translates to success there. Mitre just needs to go. The love that Girardi and the coaching staff have for him is completely confounding.
I would also prefer to keep Gaudin. Just saying he is (unfortunately) more likely to be traded than Mitre given that he actually has the ability to get people out.
If we trade Chad Gaudin I will be pissed! Mitre is garbage, but you can’t have too much pitching.
I’m a New Yorker first and foremost. The Yankees are my team, but I do root for the Mets on the National League side. That said, the Yanks should throw the Mets a bone and give ’em Mitre for that 8 feet of wall they’re tearing down in Citi Field.
I’m a New Yorker first and foremost. The Yankees are my team, but I do root for the Mets on the National League side. That said, the Yanks should throw the Mets a bone and give ’em Mitre for that 8 feet of wall they’re tearing down in Citi Field.
BaseballRef shows he threw 83.1 innings with a 4.43 .era which one is it?
Park, 36, posted a 2.52 ERA, 9.4 K/9, and 2.9 BB/9 in 50 relief innings for the Phillies last year.
Key words are relief innings.
He’s very solid as a reliever and not so much as a starter. This is a good signing by the Yankees. He’s proven as a reliever and you could definitely do worse as a #5 spot starter. Basically a no-lose situation for the Yankees considering it’s only a 1/1.5 mil investment.
His stuff is still solid, especially out of the bullpen, and the peripheral statistics back that up.
Beckett has a lifetime 4.05 ERA with the red sox and they call him an ace, the Red sox should have signed Park as a starter.
Greinke 553.2 IP 149 ERA+
Halladay 710.1 IP 141 ERA+
F. Hernandez 629.2 IP 133 ERA+
Lackey 563.2 IP 129 ERA+
Sabathia 593.1 IP 129 ERA+
Beckett 587.1 IP 126 ERA+
What is the point?
Greinke 553.2 IP 149 ERA+
Halladay 710.1 IP 141 ERA+
F. Hernandez 629.2 IP 133 ERA+
Lackey 563.2 IP 129 ERA+
Sabathia 593.1 IP 129 ERA+
Beckett 587.1 IP 126 ERA+
“BaseballRef shows he threw 83.1 innings with a 4.43 .era which one is it?”
As a
Starter – 1-1, 7.29 ERA, 33.1 IP, 41 H, 27 ER, 5 HR, 17 BB, 21 K, .311 BAA (7 Games)
Reliever – 2-2, 2.52 ERA, 50.0 IP, 43 H, 14 ER, 0 HR, 16 BB, 52 K, .231 BAA (38 Games)
Thank you Yankees for taking another mediocre reliever off Hendry’s radar! Maybe you can sign Calero too. That would leave Hendry with no relievers coming off a career year that he can overpay.
I’m on board with that, too. Park is an option for someone’s pen. You can use solid, decent, mediocre, average to describe him. The Cubs do not need another pen guy with one of those descriptions. They have plenty of young arms that can post Park’s year end numbers and for less than the 1.2MM. They can save that money and the Theriot arbitration savings for a better need around July if they are in the race. Park choosing the Yankees over the Cubs saves Hendry from himself!
Exactly…Park isn’t a bad pitcher in relief, just mediocre… he just isn’t a difference maker in my opinion. And if he isn’t going to make a difference compared to the guys we have now, why bother? But the really scary part is we were offering him a chance at starting! I’m sure we’ll go bump the offer up to Calero now because the Cubs seem determined to add a veteran relief guy. It wouldn’t bother me if someone signed him first either. I just don’t see anyone out there that will change the makeup of our bullpen in a meaningful way.
I was fine with the Cubs signing Calero when the offseason began. They wanted a veteran presence and I thought the price would be right. Knowing Hendry would sign a pen guy, I figured it would be a cheap, little signing. I was wrong. He wanted more money than I thought and a two year deal. Even Hendry balked! They ended up signing Grabow out of the gate anyway.
Now I hope Hendry continues to pass on Calero or any other pen guy still on the market. One encouraging thing is I heard Hendry saying there is not much quality left out there on the FA market, but he still wants a pen guy. So I guess he’s thinking trade and the Heath Bell rumors start back up. Ha!
I think a trade midway into the season makes some sense. Let’s see what we’ve got with these young arms. There will be plenty of teams shopping relievers (i.e. Toronto) come May or June. And unless the Padres unexpectedly contend, they should make Heath Bell available by then too. If the Cubs bullpen flops, they should be able to get an arm or two by then. It’s not that I don’t think the Cubs wouldn’t be able to use Calero or even Park, but I wonder if it’s wise to spend that money now. What if they turn out to be mediocre (which wouldn’t be a surprise) and not any better than our young arms? Then we’d have given up another 2M from our already stretched out budget for little to no upgrade…you have to wonder if that would hamstring our ability to make a more meaningful deal later.
I just read that the Cubs plan on going with internal options after “losing out” on Park. The favorite for that spot is Caridad with Jeff Stevens as plan B. Caridad has good stuff and good control pitching out of the pen…and Stevens projects a superior FIP (4.09 to 4.39) per CHONE than Park. Personally, I think this works out just fine!
I think that works out just fine, too. Save the money and put it towards an upgrade later on.
I just read that the Cubs plan on going with internal options after “losing out” on Park. The favorite for that spot is Caridad with Jeff Stevens as plan B. Caridad has good stuff and good control pitching out of the pen…and Stevens projects a superior FIP (4.09 to 4.39) per CHONE than Park. Personally, I think this works out just fine!
Sabathia
Burnett
Pettitte
Vazquez
Chamberlain
Rivera
Hughes
Robertson
Park
Aceves
Gaudin
Marte
I am wondering if the guy who does not get the #5 spot ends up at Scranton, with Mitre going to the pen. If Joba keeps the 5 spot, not sure they want Hughes in the pen all season if they plan on him starting next year.
This is my hope and I think it would explain them going after another reliever, but who knows.
Well, the Yanks found themselves in the same situation last year, and Hughes helped them win the WS in the pen, so he has more value up here then at AAA.
True, but last year they had no Marte and Robertson didnt establish himself yet.
When you have Mo, Marte, DRob, Aceves, Park there is less need to put Phil/Joba into that role. Compared to Mo, Marte on DL, Veras/Ramirez sucking, unproven DRob and Aceves
Vazquez > Pettite IMO
That remains to be seen.
That is actually fact.
That is actually fact.
Yeah I know Vazquez>Pettitte, but rotation politics will win out.
Yankee fans (at least the not very intelligent ones) seem to hate Vazquez, while, obviously, loving Pettitte. It’s sad.
Yankee fans (at least the not very intelligent ones) seem to hate Vazquez, while, obviously, loving Pettitte. It’s sad.
What really is the difference between a 3rd and 4th starter aside from the match-ups? I don’t think it will matter too much. Politics as Gallo pointed out is more important.
hughes is better in both bullpen and starting over joba. but joba is better for himself in the bullpen so put joba in the pen instead cuz hughes could do both.
hughes is better in both bullpen and starting over joba. but joba is better for himself in the bullpen so put joba in the pen instead cuz hughes could do both.
1.2 million is overpaying? really
Yes, really. But I’m speaking specifically to Hendry overpaying. He usually bids more than he needs to for mediocre relievers (see John Grabow). Additionally, even 1.2 M + incentives is too much for the Cubs to be wasting on a middle reliever when 1) they’ve got plenty of good young arms who are capable of putting up the numbers Park is projected to put up (7.2K/9, 4.50 ERA, 4.39 FIP per CHONE). And 2) they’ve got more important needs than a veteran relief “presence”. They could use that money midseason to fill other needs as they arise. Maybe it’s a good fit for the Yanks, but I don’t care so much about what they do. I’m just thankful the Yanks swooped in and saved Hendry from himself.
gotcha, i don’t know too much about the cubs
Yikes! I feel like a dope. I posted above what you already posted earlier…almost word for word. I didn’t scroll down and see this before I posted. Again, I am glad it turned out that way, too.
The Yankees should just trade away Hughes. All that wasted starting talent rotting away in the bullpen. The problem with the Yankees is when they buy players, their own can’t develop in the MLB.
They bareley have any good players of their own. Their farm system was rated 26th in baseball. If not for all the $$$ they waste they’d have nothing. They haven’t developed a true superstar since Clinton Was prez. They trade anyone with any upside for other teams overpaid establish stars.
The stupid comments continue:
a) I am 99% sure that Chan Ho Park will in no way intefere with the developement of Hughes or any of the other young pitchers. IF anyone might be effected it could be the likes of Mark Melancon, Chad Gaudin or Sergio Mitre. I’m sure then pen makeup would be some combination of Rivera + Hughes + Robertson + Marte plus 2 out of the group of Aceves, Gaudin, Park, Mitre and Melancon. With the signing of Park I would assume that Aceves and Gaudin will battle for the long man position/spot starter with the loser along w/ Mitre and Melancon shuffling back and forth from AAA as needed.
@ Qbass187: Got anything intelligent to add to the conversation other than lame takes from the early 1990’s? I think Robinson Cano and Chein Ming Wang qualify as home grown stars. As for organizational ranking..well….think about this. The organization was ranked top 10 a few seasons ago and at that time Chamberlain, Hughes, Aceves, Gardner, Austin Jackson, Dave Robertson, Phil Coke and Ian Kennedy were all top ranked prospects. A couple of years later 5 of those guys are now integral parts of the 2010 season and Jackson, Coke and Kennedy were used to acquire Curtis Granderson, a 2 9year old star player who is signed for the next 3 years. And with Montero, Romine, McAllister and many others coming up from A+ and below, I think the organization has more talent that will pay dividends thru 2011 and beyond.
If anything the Yanks are doing an excellent job of developing their own and using their financial might to field a good team.
Chan Ho Park doesn’t really affect Hughes at all. The Yankees went out and signed CC and AJ, while if they really thought Hughes could be an established starter, I doubt they would’ve done that.
A few pitchers from the 1st round of the 2004 draft class (when Hughes was drafted)
Justin Verlander
Jeff Niemann
Jered Weaver
Look where they are all at in their careers compared to Hughes. This is because their teams actually gave them a chance to start, instead of signing pitchers from free agency and denying these young pitchers chances to prove themselves. Where would Derek Jeter be in his career if the Yankees had signed a star shortstop to a 7 year deal in 1995? He’d have been rotting away on the bench, or in the minors.
Yankees haven’t given Hughes a chance, and that would be an entire season starting.
Your point is misleading. Those three guys are all at least 3 years older then Hughes and were drafted as college pitchers unlike Hughes. It would only be logical due to their age they would move at a different pace then someone Hughes age. Niemann in particular is bad example he didnt make it to the majors until his age 25 season (16 innings) while Hughes made it at age 21 (72 innings). Hughes is on a more advanced pace then Niemann, you just need to look at the numbers in context.
Hughes was 22 when CC and AJ were signed not 26-27, hes not being buried in his prime years or thrown to the wayside. Net year Pettitte will most likely be gone and Hughes will be given the shot to step into his rotation spot.
There are also roughly 11 pitchers in the first round of that draft that have done little to nothing in the majors or havent seen the bigs at all.
Not fair, Hughes has had his chance to start with the Yankees. He’s in the bullpen because that’s where he has proven himself. And you can believe, he has a shot at the No.5 starting position. I think he’s better in the bullpen, but I’ll let Joe make that call…
robinson cano, jorge posada, derek jeter, andy pettite, mariano rivera, phil hughes, joba chamberlain to name a few
I don’t think the Yanks have a horrible farm at all, but listing players like Jeter, Mo, Posada, Pettitte is a little disingenuous. Those guys were all drafted @15yrs ago…not really an indication of current farm quality.
Fact is, the Yanks have greatly improved their drafting in the last 3-4yrs; I’d say they’ve done a very good, not excellent, job…but they had about a 10yr stretch where they could barely produce average MLB talent.
The Yanks have some decent talent in their farm, and don’t need to have a great overall system. They have one potential offensive monster coming up in Montero and an all-around catcher in Romine. They don’t really need anything else for quite a number of years, as Posada is the only person of significance leaving soon, so those two will cover up the C/DH spots (though my gut tells me Montero is going to learn an outfield spot.)
Exactly i was getting read to say something about romine and montero but they also have Gary sanchez who looks pretty good at catcher and zach McCalister who is getting better every year and looks to have a bright future and hopefully Andrew Brackman can come back from his injury and be the propect he once was he is 6″11 with a good slider and mid nineties fastball. The yankees farm is not what it was earlier because we traded Ian kennedy, our top prospect austin jackson and we have also graduate prospects like hughes,joba,gardner,cervilli and etc..
Total waste of money.
Chan Ho just gives the Yanks more bullpen depth. As much as I love the rays, you have to admit the yankees have assembled by far the best team in baseball, and you can make an argument that the yankee infield is the greatest infield ever assembled in major league history.
I second that opinion.
When the numbers are done I am sure Cano will rank right up there with Kent , Sandberg , Biggio and Morgan.
Those guys were considered the best 2nd baseman of their eras. Looking forward, Cano will probably be a top 5 2nd baseman but I can’t see him being considered the best, and certainly not one of the best of all time. He does still have some upside though, so I could be wrong.
I think somewhere Alomar feels he should be in that team photo.
loooooooooooooooooooool
loooooooooooooooooooool
His good days are behind him. Pitched good during the steroid years..Huuumm
he’ll make a great mop up man by mid summer.
Mets……….been there,done that,it’s over
Behind him, LOL
The guy in 38 games out of the bullpen in Philadelphia went
2-2, 2.52 ERA, 50 IP, 43 H, 14 ER, 0 HR, 16 BB, 52 K’s, .231 AVG
You make it sound like the guy is useless, when as a reliever he does have some value as his numbers showed with less than a hit per inning, low walks and a strikeout per inning, while allowing 0 HR (including pitching in Citizens Bank Park, a hitters park)
No one is saying he is anything special but he does give bullpen depth.
Over/Under 4.5 ERA in the AL East for Park
Every move the Yankees make folks tend to over think it way too much.
I’m laughing reading at the folks here who are going on about “Chan Ho Park is terrible, awful”
Newsflash Chan Ho Park is not the Yankees Closer, Setup Man, Primary 7th inning man even. He is a veteran BACK of the bullpen arm that can be effective providing middle innings over the season.
The Yankees bullpen depth chart sees Park well down the list with
1. Rivera – R – Closer
2. Joba or Hughes – R – Setup Man
3. Marte – L – Primary lefty reliever
4. Robertson – R – 7th inning power arm to bridge to setup man
5. Aceves – R – Long or Short Relief around the 6th and 7th inning
6. Park – R – Short Relief
7. Gaudin or Mitre – R – Long Relief or Spot Starter
As you can see Park is well down the priority on that list, just a veteran arm to give bullpen innings.
If they hadn’t signed him they would have either gone with Mark Melancon or Boone Logan depending on who performed better in Spring.
Last season the Yankees had major bullpen issues early on relying on hot garbage like
Jonathan Albaladejo – sent to the minors
Jose Veras – Yankees DFA’s Veras and Cleveland traded for him and then released him in December
Edwar Ramirez – sent to the minors
Biran Bruney – injured and then wild last season
You can never, ever have enough bullpen depth in this day and age of baseball.
Park is just another arm, the Yankees didn’t pick him up to be a lights out closer, far from it as the bullpen depth chart shows.
I agree, but generally “back of the bullpen” means the late inning guys.
I was expecting the Yanks to go after another lefty. Marte is decent, but behind him…Royce Ring? Kei Igawa? Am I missing something?
They must believe they can find someone during ST…can’t see them going into the season with one lefty.
“I was expecting the Yanks to go after another lefty. Marte is decent, but behind him…Royce Ring? Kei Igawa? Am I missing something?”
++++++++++++++++
David Robertson is pretty good against lefty batters – .189 AVG vs lefties, 74 AB, 14 H, 6 ER, 9 BB, 30 K’s
Well if anything they needed a guy on the roster the ASIAN media would cover.
I am not sure how well the Korean media covers Park anymore.
With Matsui leaving they are losing alot of exposure in Japan. It would of been nice to keep Matsui if only for another year. But I know that the DH spot is going needed to save Posada’s legs. Imagine if you the Yanks signed Mauer to replace Posada and Carl Crawford to fill the hole in the OF.
Yanks have no interest in Mauer, they have young catchers galore that they are grooming, they aren’t leaving that position to chance, they have both Jesus Montero, who can flat out hit and Austin Romine in AAA and AA respectively this coming season.
I hope for baseball Mauer resigns and stays in Minnesota.
i am with you i hope for baseball that he stays but i dont think the yankees are looking at montero as a future catcher because the say he to big so he would play left or first/dh but tex has first. I am really excited about austin romine maybe a future jorge posada but yes both will be in minors
Mauer is big also and is a great catcher, big can be an asset behind the dish. Remember Lance Parrish? I just read where his arm is really good, he has to work on a slow delivery on throws. He has to shorten up that arm action. I hope to watch him some at Scranton this summer, they have a great park up there to see games in. Kid may be something special. He appears to be pretty good working with pitchers also. It will be interesting to see what he does @ AAA this season with the bat.
mets fans need to relax, yankees already have a great bullpen with either joba or hughes going to be the 8th inning man.
they dont need park
Mets fans should be more worried about Kelvim Escobar after seeing this in the Daily News.
“Escobar, who recently was shutdown with shoulder weakness, said he won’t pick up a baseball until he’s cleared by rehab coordinator Chris Correnti, who is charged with evaluating his shoulder strength. Still, Escobar expressed little concern about being ready for Opening Day, or about the rigors of pitching regularly in the back end of the bullpen, the NY Daily News reports.”
Just what you want to hear, shoulder weakness for a guy that hasn’t been healthy in over 2 years
I think Yankee Stadium should be renamed Chan Ho Park.
Ya he had a 2 something ERA in relief, but if you include his 7 starts his ERA is 4.43. Therefore in 33 innings or 7 starts (4 and 2/3 innings per start) whichever way you want to look at it his ERA ballooned about 2 runs. Add that fact to him being in the NL instead of the AL East.
Some WHIP numbers from 2009:
Chan Ho Park: 1.40
Kerry Wood: 1.38
Brad Penny: 1.40
Barry Zito: 1.35
Honestly
As a Red Sox fan; after WATCHING the playoffs last year (the numbers aren’t bad but he was deff shaky), i can’t wait until the Yankees bring Park in in the 7th inning with a runner on base and a 1 run lead. He’s giving up the gopher ball in the clutch all year.
I haven’t been this excited about a Yankee bullpen addition since…Kyle Farnsworth!
Park’s not gonna see the 7th inning in a close game unless Robertson, Aceves, and possibly Gaudin are all hurt/unavailable.
I doubt that very strongly. Taking into consideration that one of hughes/joba will be in the bullpen i have park the 4th best they’ve got in the pen, and even if he’s 5th; Delcarmen/Ramirez were the 4th/5th relievers for the Sox and they saw time in tight games.
Obviously he’s going to pitch in some tough situations. But like I said, only on the rare occasions where the better relievers are unavailable. Also, Delcarmen and Ramirez were more reliable than Park presumably will be, so of course they’d see a bunch of tight games. Bad comparison IMO.
It’s the only comparison that can be made, the 4/5 best reliever on both teams. Because one teams 5th reliever is more reliable than anothers does not mean it is a bad comparison, it means the team with the more reliable reliever has a deeper bullpen. If i were comparing Park to the #7 guy in the Sox pen (whoever that may be out of spring training) it would be apples and oranges.
What i am trying to say comparing Delcarmen or Ramirez to Park is that he will be pitching is some (not all) tough spots. That is what a 4th/5th reliever is. Whether one is better than the other does not affect whether or not you can compare the two.
We compare Papelbon to Rivera, we compare ace starters to one another, even though one is more reliable than the other.
I looked into it a bit more. Depending on how you see Marte being used, Park is 6th ahead of only Gaudin who will probably be used mainly in long relief. As for the comparison, I see the Yankee’s bullpen as a bit more top-heavy than the Red Sox bullpen. Rivera/Hughes is the combo they will use most often (with Hughes pitching multiple innings at times). Looking at 2009, the Sox didn’t have a definite 8th inning guy, just 4 or 5 great relievers who could all be the 8th inning guy depending on the match ups. Just because the 5th best reliever on one team has the ability to get high leverage outs does not mean the 5th (possibly 6th) best reliever on another will be put in that situation often.
i guess we can agree to disagree then.
either way i can’t wait to see him warming up in the pen when the sox are playing the yanks. i remember there was no better feeling than seeing Farnsworth getting ready to come in. whatever the situation may have been.
I can only imagine how good it must have felt for Sox fans to see Farnsworth coming in in a tight game.
LOL, now Kansas City is trying to make him a starter. Farnsworth was the pits.
Funny seeing the Red Sox fan Ron comparing Farnsworth with Park.
Farnsworth was our setup man in those god awful bullpens that had Mike Myers, Ron Villone, Edwar Ramirez, Jose Veras.
Park is way, way down the pecking order in the current bullpen. Probably the second to last option outside of Gaudin or Mitre depending on whichever one makes the roster.
Those Yankee bullpens that Farnsworthless was in couldn’t sniff the jocks of the current bullpen.
“i can’t wait until the Yankees bring Park in in the 7th inning with a runner on base and a 1 run lead. He’s giving up the gopher ball in the clutch all year.
I haven’t been this excited about a Yankee bullpen addition since…Kyle Farnsworth!”
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Please Quit Trying.
You mean like how Daniel Bard gave up those HR’s to the Yankees, or how Papelbon blew that game in Fenway to let the Angels SWEEP the Red Sox out of the playoffs.
In case you missed it Chan Ho Park is going to be nowhere near the Yankees 7th inning on most nights. Where do folks get these goofy ideas from is beyond me.
The only way he pitches the 7th inning is if he starts off the year pitching well and migrates to that role.
1. Rivera – R – Closer
2. Joba or Hughes – R – Setup Man
3. Marte – L – Primary lefty reliever
4. Robertson – R – 7th inning power arm to bridge to setup man
5. Aceves – R – Long or Short Relief around the 6th and 7th inning
6. Park – R – Short Relief
7. Gaudin or Mitre – R – Long Relief or Spot Starter
Yeah we’ll let David Robertson sit in the bullpen to play tiddlywinks, with the game on the line
C’mon make some sense please before making assumptions about the Yankees bullpen when you don’t even seem to know its makeup.
What I see is
Gaudin vs Wakefield
Aceves vs Delcarmen
Robertson vs Ramirez
Marte vs Okajima
Joba or Hughes vs Bard
Rivera vs Papelbon
so that still leaves Park with some Red Sox like Michael Bowden or Joe Nelson
“Some WHIP numbers from 2009:
Chan Ho Park: 1.40
Kerry Wood: 1.38
Brad Penny: 1.40
Barry Zito: 1.35”
That’s including his horrid starting numbers.
His reliever numbers were outstanding. (2.06 FIP)
For the Yankees, a 1.2 mil gamble is hardly a back breaking deal.
“Some WHIP numbers from 2009:
Chan Ho Park: 1.40
Kerry Wood: 1.38
Brad Penny: 1.40
Barry Zito: 1.35”
That’s including his horrid starting numbers.
His reliever numbers were outstanding. (2.06 FIP)
For the Yankees, a 1.2 mil gamble is hardly a back breaking deal.
As aYankee fan, I hope to see Park pitch against you in the seventh inning too, becasue tht will mean we haven’t least a five run lead. I love how people are acting like he’s going to be a main cog when Joba to hughes, robertson and Marte will take it from the seventh in games that count. Farnsworth was paid like 5 mill a year to be a setup, Park was paid 1.2. I wish they would have got a lefty instead it’s a signing that could be goor or bad. Either way the signing of park isn,t going to have a huge impact on the Yankees
13 player on my projected 25 man roster are homegrown.
C: Posada
C: Cervelli
1B: Johnson
2B: Cano
SS: Jeter
SS: Pena
CF: Gardner
SP: Pettitte
SP: Chamberlain
CP: Rivera
SU: Hughes
SU: Robetson
RP: Aceves
what a dope. if he would’ve taken the phils offer he’d be 2 million dollars richer and be playing for an equal contender. instead he goes and looks for a sp job, doesnt find one, and signs up for a bullpen gig and takes less money. some of these agents are literally ruh-tards.
Where is the risk in this deal?
Exactly.
LOL, there isn’t one exactly, even if they release him down the road, they would just call up some minor leaguer like Melancon or Boone Logan.
If he is effective they have another bullpen option, if he isn’t his spot in the bullpen goes to someone else.
He isn’t the setup man or the bridge to the setup man, heck he might not even be the bridge to the bridge to the setup man, that is Aceves, Robertson, Hughes/Joba, Rivera.
There is no risk for his role at 1.2 million dollars.
Park for 1.2 mill is nowhere near “buying another player”. Nor can that type of phrasing be used when talking about a mid/late reliever that may or may not top 40 appearances.
Some of this banter and Park bashing is simply directed at Yanks fans. It is the percieved arrogance that many posters have in their words when cutting up other teams acquisitions and then being so flippant about their own teams spending. So really the Park bashing is not what it really appears to be, just others lashhing out at Yanks fans.
I think it’s just frustration directed at an organization that has more resources than other teams.
It’s like watching a really rich and famous guy get a discount for being famous.
This is definitely a good deal with minuscule risk. (Especially when you look at the other FA reliever signings)
Now to hear a Yanks fan say “WE have no interest in Mauer”..the WE always cracks me up unless of course BCash and Jeter are regular posters and use the term ‘WE’ a lot when they post on here.
MLBTR was loaded with Yanks fans making comments like “when we sign Mauer” or he will only sign with the Yanks or Sox…To see a regular poster that is a Yanks fan now do an about face AFTER it looks like Mauer is staying is funny. Sure the Yanks would rather have Montero, a projected DH and Romine over Mauer. Just makes sense seeing a comment like that from a Yanks fan.
And to the guy that said they only spend $30 million more than the next highest teams payroll, that might be correct…ONE teams payroll…
The Yanks have so much “home grown” talent because they never lose it due to $$$$, whereas other teams that spend $100-$150 million less per year than the Yanks have a harder time keeping their home grown talent.
So yes, they have home grown stars, but they also never lose them.
No team in recent baseball memory drafted and produced more home grown stars then the old Montreal Expos. But because the likes, Brandon Phillips, John Wettland, Cliff Lee, Marquis Grissom, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Larry Walker, Delino DeShields and many others (that list was off the top of my head) all ended up elsewhere it skews the home grown argument. If the Expos could have spent $100 million + more on their players they would still have a franchise.
So dont be misled about how much “home grown|” talent a team has.
For me, home grown talent means nothing to me as long as it’s talent.
Does it really matter in the end? Is it the Yankees fault if they’re not allowed to draft guys like Strasburg? Do prospects that were traded from team to team count towards being “home grown”?
The point is forming a winning team and to get rings. I care more about watching my team in October than the fact that they don’t use their money to acquire FAs.
Google “most homegrown players” and the first link is about the Rockies and the Yankees, so go figure…
What do you think the Marlins would look like if they got to keep their home-grown talent? What about the Pirates (you know they wouldn’t be the mess they’ve been the last almost 2 decades if they could have)? What about the Royals from the late 90s and early 2000s? That outfield would have been so completely sick. Obviously it comes down to what the owners can and want to spend, but as we have seen only a select amount are willing to spend over 120 million, and many won’t go over 80 million.
It’s sad to see, because teams like the Yankees, Mets, and Red Sox are the ones who prosper (well, not so much the mets, but they’ve got the money to sign good players, lol).
Yes, and I agree that it is a bit of a problem. However, it is all within the rules. All I hear about are more complaints than solutions. It doesn’t take a genius to find a problem, it takes one to solve a problem.
You have teams like the A’s and the Rays who have a good front office and can keep a team competitive even with a minuscule payroll. (Although, it takes time to field a competitive team) Then you have other teams not spending their revenue share money like the Marlins.
If some teams aren’t willing to spend then why should big market teams care?
Am I to get frustrated that big corporations seem to get bigger and bigger? That’s life. Frankly, they don’t need to spend so much. However, if they don’t, they’ll just pocket the extra money.
Yes, and I agree that it is a bit of a problem. However, it is all within the rules. All I hear about are more complaints than solutions. It doesn’t take a genius to find a problem, it takes one to solve a problem.
You have teams like the A’s and the Rays who have a good front office and can keep a team competitive even with a minuscule payroll. (Although, it takes time to field a competitive team) Then you have other teams not spending their revenue share money like the Marlins.
If some teams aren’t willing to spend then why should big market teams care?
Am I to get frustrated that big corporations seem to get bigger and bigger? That’s life. Frankly, they don’t need to spend so much. However, if they don’t, they’ll just pocket the extra money.
What do you think the Marlins would look like if they got to keep their home-grown talent? What about the Pirates (you know they wouldn’t be the mess they’ve been the last almost 2 decades if they could have)? What about the Royals from the late 90s and early 2000s? That outfield would have been so completely sick. Obviously it comes down to what the owners can and want to spend, but as we have seen only a select amount are willing to spend over 120 million, and many won’t go over 80 million.
It’s sad to see, because teams like the Yankees, Mets, and Red Sox are the ones who prosper (well, not so much the mets, but they’ve got the money to sign good players, lol).
Agreed. Personally, I think the team on the field is the team on the field. I was writing in response to a Yanks fan defending payroll and claiming how many players are “home grown”. Again, the fact that the Yanks can spend and pay whatever they want ALLOWS them to keep home grown players the way other teams simply cannot.
It is a nice luxury being the fan of a team that can outspend others by 600% to field the exact same roster (as far as size, positions, etc). All within the rules of the game I might add…..
Agreed. Personally, I think the team on the field is the team on the field. I was writing in response to a Yanks fan defending payroll and claiming how many players are “home grown”. Again, the fact that the Yanks can spend and pay whatever they want ALLOWS them to keep home grown players the way other teams simply cannot.
It is a nice luxury being the fan of a team that can outspend others by 600% to field the exact same roster (as far as size, positions, etc). All within the rules of the game I might add…..
For me, home grown talent means nothing to me as long as it’s talent.
Does it really matter in the end? Is it the Yankees fault if they’re not allowed to draft guys like Strasburg? Do prospects that were traded from team to team count towards being “home grown”?
The point is forming a winning team and to get rings. I care more about watching my team in October than the fact that they don’t use their money to acquire FAs.
Google “most homegrown players” and the first link is about the Rockies and the Yankees, so go figure…
No about face on Mauer staying in Minnesota, I’ve always felt that way and have no interest in seeing Mauer coming to New York.
So I don’t know how you can presumptuously assume that is an about face. I don’t comment for other Yankee fans. They have their own voices.
But I’m not the only Yankee fan that would like to see Jesus Montero and Romine continue to develop and reach the major leagues.
Mike Piazza wasn’t some terrific defensive catcher and he carved out a pretty good career for himself.
If a guy can hit, he can hit and Montero can hit. There is not a question mark about his ability to do that.
So you can denigrate it whatever way you want about him being a DH and Romine over Mauer.
Montero is 20 years old, he hasn’t stopped developing at the catching position and is up to AAA this coming season.
Not every Yankee fan is some greedy pig that needs every superstar. I don’t and have never cared for Mauer in New York. I’ve always maintained it is best for baseball to see him stay in Minnesota.
I will take the DH to be Montero and Austin Romine that you flippantly cast aside to make your point about the Yankees.
I think Montero is a hitting stud. I don’t know as much about Romine, but i suspect he will soon supplant Posada behind the plate. I am not the ‘expert’ projecting Montero to not be a catcher, others are. The Yanks cant use him at 1b and Cashman is way to good a GM to use a 21 year as a fulltime DH. Personally I think mopntero will be used at some point to fill a need for the Yanks, You never know though.
I must ask, as a fan of the game of baseball, do you really expect me to believe that you wouldnt want your favorite team to acquire the BEST player at a certain position? Is there any instance where a fan wouldn’t want the BEST player? Would a Sox fan say, “WE don’t want Pujols, we have Lars Anderson waiting in the wings..I would prefer St Louis kept him?
Right….another example of a “Yanks” fan.
Would the Cavs fan not want Kobe, because they have LeBron?
I’ve already spoken on that subject and stated I would like to see Mauer stay in Minnesota.
I have no desires for Mauer to come to New York and that has been my position all along. The New York Yankees don’t NEED Joe Mauer to be successful.
I can’t comment for a Sox fan about Pujols that is on them. All I know is that as a Yankee fan I have the utmost confidence in Jesus Montero and you don’t have to be the greatest defensive catcher in the world to play behind the plate and carve out a career for yourself.
The kid is 20 and can flat out hit, he still has time to continue to develop his catching skills. Why wouldn’t I want to see a young, talented player with his potential come up to the major league’s and succeed in New York.
I don’t know why you are finding it hard to believe that as a Yankee fan I’m not all over them signing Mauer.
As a fan of the game of baseball I prefer to see him stay in Minnesota, its that simple, no mystery about it.
I’ve already spoken on that subject and stated I would like to see Mauer stay in Minnesota.
I have no desires for Mauer to come to New York and that has been my position all along. The New York Yankees don’t NEED Joe Mauer to be successful.
I can’t comment for a Sox fan about Pujols that is on them. All I know is that as a Yankee fan I have the utmost confidence in Jesus Montero and you don’t have to be the greatest defensive catcher in the world to play behind the plate and carve out a career for yourself.
The kid is 20 and can flat out hit, he still has time to continue to develop his catching skills. Why wouldn’t I want to see a young, talented player with his potential come up to the major league’s and succeed in New York.
I don’t know why you are finding it hard to believe that as a Yankee fan I’m not all over them signing Mauer.
As a fan of the game of baseball I prefer to see him stay in Minnesota, its that simple, no mystery about it.
I think Montero is a hitting stud. I don’t know as much about Romine, but i suspect he will soon supplant Posada behind the plate. I am not the ‘expert’ projecting Montero to not be a catcher, others are. The Yanks cant use him at 1b and Cashman is way to good a GM to use a 21 year as a fulltime DH. Personally I think mopntero will be used at some point to fill a need for the Yanks, You never know though.
I must ask, as a fan of the game of baseball, do you really expect me to believe that you wouldnt want your favorite team to acquire the BEST player at a certain position? Is there any instance where a fan wouldn’t want the BEST player? Would a Sox fan say, “WE don’t want Pujols, we have Lars Anderson waiting in the wings..I would prefer St Louis kept him?
Right….another example of a “Yanks” fan.
Would the Cavs fan not want Kobe, because they have LeBron?
No about face on Mauer staying in Minnesota, I’ve always felt that way and have no interest in seeing Mauer coming to New York.
So I don’t know how you can presumptuously assume that is an about face. I don’t comment for other Yankee fans. They have their own voices.
But I’m not the only Yankee fan that would like to see Jesus Montero and Romine continue to develop and reach the major leagues.
Mike Piazza wasn’t some terrific defensive catcher and he carved out a pretty good career for himself.
If a guy can hit, he can hit and Montero can hit. There is not a question mark about his ability to do that.
So you can denigrate it whatever way you want about him being a DH and Romine over Mauer.
Montero is 20 years old, he hasn’t stopped developing at the catching position and is up to AAA this coming season.
Not every Yankee fan is some greedy pig that needs every superstar. I don’t and have never cared for Mauer in New York. I’ve always maintained it is best for baseball to see him stay in Minnesota.
I will take the DH to be Montero and Austin Romine that you flippantly cast aside to make your point about the Yankees.
Now to hear a Yanks fan say “WE have no interest in Mauer”..the WE always cracks me up unless of course BCash and Jeter are regular posters and use the term ‘WE’ a lot when they post on here.
MLBTR was loaded with Yanks fans making comments like “when we sign Mauer” or he will only sign with the Yanks or Sox…To see a regular poster that is a Yanks fan now do an about face AFTER it looks like Mauer is staying is funny. Sure the Yanks would rather have Montero, a projected DH and Romine over Mauer. Just makes sense seeing a comment like that from a Yanks fan.
And to the guy that said they only spend $30 million more than the next highest teams payroll, that might be correct…ONE teams payroll…
The Yanks have so much “home grown” talent because they never lose it due to $$$$, whereas other teams that spend $100-$150 million less per year than the Yanks have a harder time keeping their home grown talent.
So yes, they have home grown stars, but they also never lose them.
No team in recent baseball memory drafted and produced more home grown stars then the old Montreal Expos. But because the likes, Brandon Phillips, John Wettland, Cliff Lee, Marquis Grissom, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Larry Walker, Delino DeShields and many others (that list was off the top of my head) all ended up elsewhere it skews the home grown argument. If the Expos could have spent $100 million + more on their players they would still have a franchise.
So dont be misled about how much “home grown|” talent a team has.
As a Dodger fan I would like to ask Yankee fans a question.
Can you send us a good catching prospect, please 😀
That probably will happen eventually. I mean the Yanks have Montero, Romain, Sanchez, JR Murphy, Cervelli (a glorified back up) and Kyle Higashioka (a lesser gloried back up). The Yankees need to flip some of these guys for outfield prospects. I mean other than Melky Mesa and Kelvin De Leon the Yanks have no OF’ers in there farm system.
Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the guys below Montero and Romine traded away pretty soon.
I wouldn’t be too concerned about the outfield, though. Granderson is going to be around for awhile, Swisher can always be re-signed, and Gardner can cover every position out there.
That probably will happen eventually. I mean the Yanks have Montero, Romain, Sanchez, JR Murphy, Cervelli (a glorified back up) and Kyle Higashioka (a lesser gloried back up). The Yankees need to flip some of these guys for outfield prospects. I mean other than Melky Mesa and Kelvin De Leon the Yanks have no OF’ers in there farm system.
As a Dodger fan I would like to ask Yankee fans a question.
Can you send us a good catching prospect, please 😀
I love how some guys trying to act like there teams have no money. It’s not my fault that the Steinbrenners put money back into their product. I mean the guy who use to own Walmart owns the KC Royals, you can’t tell me he can’t spend.
I love how some guys trying to act like there teams have no money. It’s not my fault that the Steinbrenners put money back into their product. I mean the guy who use to own Walmart owns the KC Royals, you can’t tell me he can’t spend.
I would also as a Yankee fan want to see Montero or Romine be the future catcher of the Yankees.I would love to see Mauer resign with the Twins.
Most Yankee fans don’t want Mauer and haven’t been drooling for him and want him to remain in Minny. The consensus is excited about the young catching coming up.
I know I’m Korean and I might be biased but I don’t see how a projected value really would predict how ‘mediocre’ Park would be for 2010. How often do guys from PECOTA or CHONE get it right? if they had taken out the staring numbers and just left the relieving numbers there, couldn’t there have been better ‘projection’ for Park?
I love this move for the yankees. They take a 35 year old player who can only pitch in the NL and stick him in an AL hitters park that has a history of beating up mediocre righty pitching. He perpetually got beat up as a Ranger, and his only real stock was when he pitched as a Dodger. Great move for a waste of roster space.