Padres CEO Jeff Moorad stated the obvious yesterday regarding first baseman Adrian Gonzalez. Tim Sullivan of the San Diego Union-Tribune has the quote:
"While I’d be thrilled to have him part of the organization for the long term, the early signals indicate his cost will be greater than our ability to pay."
Gonzalez's agent John Boggs agreed, and explained that he expects a trade:
"The feeling we're getting is more than likely (the Padres) are going to have to trade Adrian because (they) can't afford him."
These quotes are far from groundbreaking, so consider this your official Gonzalez Trade Prediction post. Tell us the acquiring team and players given up. Keep in mind that at $10.25MM over the next two years, any team willing to surrender the right players could acquire Gonzalez. Given their first base incumbents, though, the Cardinals, Brewers, Phillies, Reds, Yankees, and Twins appear unlikely.
What a shocker LOL it almost blew me out of my chair in shock when I read this, wow-
Awaits 500 red sox posts involving lars anderson..
Why would the Sox sell low on Anderson? He had his worst year and still has a tremendous ceiling right there with Justin Morneau or Mark Teixeira. Giving Anderson up in a package for AGon at this stage would be silly.
-1 for Homer Fail.
LMFAO!!
“He had his worst year and still has a tremendous ceiling right there with Justin Morneau or Mark Teixeira.”
Wait…what?
Lars Anderson most certainly has a ceiling as high as morneau or teix. He struggled last year, but if you look at player comparisons, those are the two names that show up. To sell low on him coming off a bad year would be silly. What part of this is hard to understand?
I hate to be the bearer of bad new but Lars anderson does not have the ceiling of Teix or morneau.
The part that’s hard to understand is why you don’t think the Sox should trade a minor leaguer who’s coming off a bad year for one of the best first basemen in the majors. Lars would likely be a throw-in if a deal was made between those two teams, not a major centerpiece. He’s got upside but last year counts and it affects his ceiling going forward. Selling low on him is a concern but if he’s the difference between getting or not getting a player like AGon you don’t think twice about it.
I wouldn’t include him in a package deal. I would see what I have. There are many other expendable pieces in the Sox number 2 ranked farm system that can be moved over a guy with 40 Homer potential.
And since when is AGon even a top 10 1B guy? I’d much rather have Pujols, Teixeira, Youkilis, Morneau, Cabrera among others over AGon. Guy hits .250. Talking about guys like Lars who have 1 off year badly, but acting like AGon will move to a new town and become a .320 hitter is pretty naïve of you.
Why say Gonzalez is not a top 10 first baseman and then only name 5 first basemen? I also disagree that Youkilis is better then Gonzalez, but that certainly just an opinion.
Actually his career BA is 281 in 6 seasons, and he had 40 HR last year, how many more do you think he’d have if he played in Fenway? So ya I’d say he’s AT LEAST a top 10.
I am still looking for that #2 ranked farm system confirmation. I have come across the following: insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?colu… – which was from Jan 09. insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?colu… – which is from Dec 09. mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/01/26/2010-farm-system-ranki… – which is from Jan 2010.
I am just a bit confused…
A comparable player in my eyes to AGon is Jason Bay… AGon is just younger giving him higher value
Dude, I’m a huge Red Sox guy, but its people like you that make us look bad. Sorry man. AGonz is a .281 career hitter including the first two seasons of his career where he struggled and his below .240 both years. He’s also averaged 36HR/162Games. He isn’t even 28 yet. There’s a chance he hasn’t even hit his peak, never mind the fact that he’s a fantastic defender.
You always trade the unknown commodity for the proven talent if that talent is one of the best at his position. That’s without considering that AGonz is extremely affordable and under 30. Factor that in and it’s a no-brainer.
In the end, the price for AGonz is going to be a hell of a lot more than Lars Anderson. It’ll probably be in the range of Casey Kelly + Lars Anderson + either Clay or Jacoby.
And you sir obviously do not understand the stock market, or trade market. I’m not saying that Lars Anderson is great, or going to be. But anyone with any knowledge of our farm system, knows there are other guys who we could sell high on. Theo is still very fond of Anderson and I highly doubt he’s going to move him as a spare piece of a package deal for another 1B when his history shows he’d much prefer to see how Lars responds this year.
As far as AGon goes, sure he’s impressive. Not denying that. Bay is too, and is also around a .280 career hitter who smashes the ball out of any ballpark he walks into, and did the same with the Pirates with LESS protection than AGon has ever had. Xavier Nady was the only other above average player on that team. Bay’s average didn’t rise in the move to Boston where he was much more protected.
AGon is still in the NL. Let’s just call a spade a spade. The NL is weaker than the AL right now, and almost always. Even the greats have struggled with the transition. There is no way of saying if AGon goes to an AL team, he will have the same success. Look at great hitters like Matt Holliday, and their plummetting stats when they moved to the AL.
Theo loved Hanley. Hanley was a piece of the Beckett/Lowell deal (Don’t tell me it was a trade by committee. Theo was still involved, just not under contract). He was fond of Masterson. Masterson went in the VMart deal. Theo has proven time and time again that he will trade almost any prospect in the right package for a proven star. The fact that both are at 1B means that he would probably like to do it even more. Getting AGonz without moving Lars essentially blocks him in the minors. Why would you keep Lars to have him blocked?
You clearly don’t know the trade market, not me. You’re looking at his value as a 1 year rental. He’s under team control for 10ishMM in 2011 also.
Also, you forget that the Padres GM is Jed Hoyer. He knows the Sox farm system just as well, if not better, than Theo.
youks the only infielder on payroll beyond 2010 how would anderson be blocked
Huh? Youk, Pedroia, and Scutaro are all on payroll beyond 2010 and there is a player option for Beltre, but that is beyond the point. You’re talking about getting AGon without trading Lars. Doing that will put Youk at 3rd, AGon at 1st and Lars in the minors. That sounds like it’s a block to me.
And pedroia and scutaro are NOT corner infielders. Scoots can play 3B, but that doesn’t effect anderson… What are you talking about? And that player option for beltre is only going to be used if he’s not effective, in which case shifting youk to 3B and opening up a job at 1B is beyond likely, its imminent.
You didn’t say corner infielder. You said “youks the only infielder on payroll beyond 2010”
Regardless of if Beltre leaves or not. You’re proposing trading for AGon and keeping Lars. That would mean Youk plays third and AGon plays first. This would still block Anderson. My point was that by including Anderson in place of a prospect that plays a different position is preferable, because a 1B prospect like Anderson would be blocked for the forseeable future with the acquisition (and assummed extention) of a player like Adrian Gonzalez. Not sure what’s hard to grasp about that.
I’m NOT saying keep Lars. I’m simply saying once again DO NOT SELL LOW on him coming off an injured off year. That’s all I said… You guys are the ones twisting my words around. I’m not just talking about not trading Lars for AGon, but not trading him before 2010 regardless. Best case, they trade for AGon and sell high on Lars Anderson in 2011 for another piece they need, when Lars has a chance to rebound his value. Second case, don’t trade for AGon, and see what you have going into an off-season that could have a laundry list of superstars who can be picked up without losing important pieces and perhaps give lars a shot if he does well this year. Worst case, Lars is garbage in 2010, and you move him as a spare part once you know he won’t be a star or reach his ceiling in a close enough time period to make him worth holding onto for the Sox. Once again tho, if that happens there are plenty of high profile free agents that could be had without losing guys with enormous ceilings.
Trading Lars Anderson for Adrian Gonzalez is not selling low.
Straight up? Thatd be great. But as everyone has stated repeatedly including me, he would just be a small piece addition in a package that would be surrounding Clay Buchholz and/or Ellsbury. That’s a lot to give up along with a guy like Westmoreland, even for AGon
For AGon you basically say “Choose any two from the farm, plus Jacoby or Clay”
And pedroia and scutaro are NOT corner infielders. Scoots can play 3B, but that doesn’t effect anderson… What are you talking about? And that player option for beltre is only going to be used if he’s not effective, in which case shifting youk to 3B and opening up a job at 1B is beyond likely, its imminent.
Huh? Youk, Pedroia, and Scutaro are all on payroll beyond 2010 and there is a player option for Beltre, but that is beyond the point. You’re talking about getting AGon without trading Lars. Doing that will put Youk at 3rd, AGon at 1st and Lars in the minors. That sounds like it’s a block to me.
youks the only infielder on payroll beyond 2010 how would anderson be blocked
Theo loved Hanley. Hanley was a piece of the Beckett/Lowell deal (Don’t tell me it was a trade by committee. Theo was still involved, just not under contract). He was fond of Masterson. Masterson went in the VMart deal. Theo has proven time and time again that he will trade almost any prospect in the right package for a proven star. The fact that both are at 1B means that he would probably like to do it even more. Getting AGonz without moving Lars essentially blocks him in the minors. Why would you keep Lars to have him blocked?
You clearly don’t know the trade market, not me. You’re looking at his value as a 1 year rental. He’s under team control for 10ishMM in 2011 also.
Also, you forget that the Padres GM is Jed Hoyer. He knows the Sox farm system just as well, if not better, than Theo.
sorry, but your comments are just retarded. stop overrating your own team’s prospects, and don’t compare Adrian Gonzalez to jason bay. bay sucks defensively, and has always been in good hitters parks, and with the sox he had more than enough protection. A-Gon has been doing it with kouz behind him in petco. Your NL to AL argument is weak, too. Holliday moved from Coors to a pitcher friendly park with no protection, and started hitting after a few weeks of struggle.
Did I not say twice already, I was speaking offensive numbers only. And once again: Pedroia, Youk, hanley, papelbon, bard, buchholz, ellsbury, ect. All have come out of our farm system. We are the number 2 farm system in baseball according to ESPN’s Keith Law. stop being a hater and read the thread. I’m not underrating or overrating anything. As I said, LAST TIME I’m gonna say this so pay attention!!! The Sox have many other guys, including another 1B prospect anthony rizzo, that they could build a package of prospects around NOT including Lars Anderson. There is no need or reason to trade Anderson when he still holds a ceiling of 40 Home run potential and a 300 average. He has the plate discipline of Kevin Youkilis. He’s an incredible athlete, and he’s intelligent and a fast learner. see any scouting report on the kid or just watch him play before you say the dumb things you are. As I’ve said MULTIPLE times of course he’s still a prospect, but moving him now is selling super low on him. It’d be like holding onto an AIG stock for years hoping it will build, and then trading it as the company collapsed… Its absolutely retarded. Think about what you say before you say it, and don’t hate just to hate on someone. Make sense.
As far as offensive number go, which as I’ve also said multiple times is what I’m referring to, look at them idiot lol. Bay has a career line of .280/.376/.519 playing mostly with a team as bad or worse than the Padres.
Agon hit .281/.362/.506 also on a garbage team. If anything Bay is BETTER offensively… So stop acting like AGon is the second coming of Pujols, cause he’s nowhere near it. He’s good with the glove, but he’s not that much of an upgrade over Lars’ projected .300/.400/.480 line that was established after the 08 season. He was playing hurt last year. Give him a chance to rebound. Once again, think, analyze, then speak. Or just don’t speak. Even better.
This is without mentioning he’s a lefty that crushes southpaws
yah yeah… Jasoy Bay is better than A-Gon, you’re right…. (NOT).
And you sir obviously do not understand the stock market, or trade market. I’m not saying that Lars Anderson is great, or going to be. But anyone with any knowledge of our farm system, knows there are other guys who we could sell high on. Theo is still very fond of Anderson and I highly doubt he’s going to move him as a spare piece of a package deal for another 1B when his history shows he’d much prefer to see how Lars responds this year.
As far as AGon goes, sure he’s impressive. Not denying that. Bay is too, and is also around a .280 career hitter who smashes the ball out of any ballpark he walks into, and did the same with the Pirates with LESS protection than AGon has ever had. Xavier Nady was the only other above average player on that team. Bay’s average didn’t rise in the move to Boston where he was much more protected.
AGon is still in the NL. Let’s just call a spade a spade. The NL is weaker than the AL right now, and almost always. Even the greats have struggled with the transition. There is no way of saying if AGon goes to an AL team, he will have the same success. Look at great hitters like Matt Holliday, and their plummetting stats when they moved to the AL.
This is a horrible comparison. AGonz with 2 gold gloves, crushing the ball in a pitchers park with 0 lineup protection? Marksawx is completely right. Dude, do your research before posting comments like that.
Jason Bay had a whole lotta protection in Pittsburgh when he hit over .300 didn’t he… Lol. I’m not comparing defense, by the way. I was comparing offense.
It’s hard to say that there was alot of protection in PITT, true, but… You have already mentioned Nady. McClouth was solid in 08, check the stats. LaRoche was solid in 07. Combined with Bay who has only hit over .300 one time in his career, and in fact had a great power year in 09, but poor low BA on a loaded lineup like the BOSOX. And, add AGonz defense on top of that, 27 years old and under dirt cheap control for the next 2 years. How many teams are actually building their team around Jason Bay? None. The AGonz, Tex, Pujols, Wright, Jeter, C. Jones, Berkman, etc in the baseball market are players that encompass a franchise with their all around play, durability, and demeanor, not just a big bat. If you decide to actually compare a player, you need to compare all of the playing or point out in your initial statement that you are only comparing batting instead of backpeddaling like you are doing. These 2 players are not good comparisons and this entire forum knows it. You are making BoSox fans look really bad with your low end remarks.
I don’t know why you’re hung up on .300 as a number that is expected for an average. there are only 202 players that have EVER played the game that finished with a .300 average. (baseball-reference.com/leaders/batting_avg_career.…) and there are some active players near the bottom of that list that will almost certainly fall off over time as their career progresses.
And how can you say that you’re just going to ignore defense? That’s a weak cop-out. You’re ignoring 50% of the game.
Your “above average” player hit .275 when I grew up as a kid. If you hit .275 with 20 homers and 100 rbis, you were a star worth top dollar. In 2010, the above average players hit .290/.360/.480. Far better than their 1980s counterparts.
Look at the list you sent me, and then look at how many are current or recent players. Then also look at guys who are skewed by a few bad seasons later in their careers at 36. See kenny lofton, jim rice, ect.
Jason Bay had a whole lotta protection in Pittsburgh when he hit over .300 didn’t he… Lol. I’m not comparing defense, by the way. I was comparing offense.
Alright Lars, you can stop defending yourself now.
Why would it be silly? Lars Anderson’s absolute ceiling is Adrian Gonzalez – if you have the money why not just pay for the guarantee considering he’s likely to fall something short of Adrian Gonzalez (that is not to say he’s a bad player)
How about Adrian Gonzalez straight up for Lars Anderson. Maybe the Padres could include cash also to sweeten the deal. We all know that every single Red Sox prospect is the second coming of Mickey Mantle for Nolan Ryan.
Lol did I even suggest anything close to that? I simply said, see what you have. Do you understand the concept of a ceiling? A ceiling simply means he could be that good. Does not mean he’s going to be. And yes, Texas and Bostons prospects are ranked the best in baseball. 1 and 2. We have a handful of prospects in the top 100, and 3 in the top 50. Lars doesn’t need to be mantle on this team. If he wound up even being close to another Youkilis, I’d be happy.
Also you can’t hate on what the boston red sox farm system has put out already. Youk, pedroia ellsbury lester buchholz bard papelbon delcarmen hanley ramirez… The list goes on man. The last decade, the sox have pounded more superstars out of their farm system than any other team in baseball, while still being a world series competitor. Name one other team you can say that about.
You can keep Anderson and all the other Boston prospects. I would rather
have Matusz and Weiters from Baltimore.
Lol did I even suggest anything close to that? I simply said, see what you have. Do you understand the concept of a ceiling? A ceiling simply means he could be that good. Does not mean he’s going to be. And yes, Texas and Bostons prospects are ranked the best in baseball. 1 and 2. We have a handful of prospects in the top 100, and 3 in the top 50. Lars doesn’t need to be mantle on this team. If he wound up even being close to another Youkilis, I’d be happy.
Also you can’t hate on what the boston red sox farm system has put out already. Youk, pedroia ellsbury lester buchholz bard papelbon delcarmen hanley ramirez… The list goes on man. The last decade, the sox have pounded more superstars out of their farm system than any other team in baseball, while still being a world series competitor. Name one other team you can say that about.
How about Adrian Gonzalez straight up for Lars Anderson. Maybe the Padres could include cash also to sweeten the deal. We all know that every single Red Sox prospect is the second coming of Mickey Mantle for Nolan Ryan.
The Sawx for eh, Jed Lowrie, and er, eh, Bill Hawl and em, Mike Lowell!
LOL I wish, but NO WAY lol.
The Mariners would LOVE him!! But there is no way to get that done. Seattle just doesn’t have the prospects. Even including Ackley, it would still require emptying out the entire farm system, something Jack Z has said numerous times he wouldn’t do. But if Seattle did get ahold of him…then there would be no doubt they become the team to beat in the west. Too bad it’ll never happen. 🙁
Wouldn’t put it past Jack being able to swing a deal.
Ackley cant be traded until next offseason. But, at the time Ackley could certainley be a major centerpiece. A deal with the mariners could get done, but not until next year.
1 year from when he signed he can be traded. You will often see trades around the trading deadline with a PTBNL that turns out to be a draft pick from the previous year.
Still puts a potential trade including ackley months away. If the padres can aquire ackley I would be stoked
1 year from when he signed he can be traded. You will often see trades around the trading deadline with a PTBNL that turns out to be a draft pick from the previous year.
Cue ludicrous trade proposals, in 3-2-1- go!
I’m waiting for the ratio of Met fan proposals to people laughing at Met fan proposals.
I would love to see a trade get done that doesn’t include Ike Davis so we can play him in RF after this year. Who I would send over there? I wouldn’t even know where to start, but Murphy and F-Mart would be included.
Daniel Murphy has no value.
I already got my desperate proposal in (see below). Start laughing.
:-/
I don’t foresee a trade with the Mets involving David Murphy or Fernando Martinez. Think bigger (no Niese doesnt count, either). It would start with Ike Davis,
Please stop with Murphy. The guy is useless. And F-Mart’s value decreases by the day. I would not give up anything for those two.
I REALLY hope the Braves don’t try the Tex trade again. We have the specs like last time, but also just like last time we won’t be able to keep him past two years. It’s just inefficient.
Actually, I was thinking the Braves. Not as my first choice, but as a team who might make a serious offer. Might be wrong.
Wren values Hanson, Heyward, Freeman, and Escobar too much to give any one of them up as a headliner in a trade for a player with only two years (even cheap years) left on his contract.
Maybe not Hanson or Heywayd, but no Escobar or Freeman to headline a trade for AGon? Really?
I put the braves in the same categorie as the Redsox. Both have the prospects to get a deal done. Both will refuse to part with the prospects the Padres want. I think Seattle or Baltimore are better options.
Hmm…I don’t think Seattle can make that deal. Baltimore might be a thought.
Interesting. I thought the Braves might make want to a run at Gonzalez and sign him long term. Fair enough.
Can you say Adrian Gonzalez to Boston Red Sox? Although I don’t know that they will get the same offer now with Beltre on board. Best offer they will receive will be something like Buchholz, Bowden and maybe one more small piece. If this is the route they are going to take, they should have accepted Bostons previous offers, which were probably much more lucrative…
I seriously think NONE of these GM’s have learned from the mistakes surrounding Johan Santana. Blue Jays didn’t learn with Halladay… Padres didn’t learn with Gonzalez… Tigers won’t learn with Cabrera… Trading a guy with a half-season value deal, and then expecting a mega-contract WILL NOT net you in return what having a guy with 1.5-2 years left on the deal.
Net what you can when you can. Don’t let it come down to the last half-season and take what you can get. That’s just flat dumb. If you are going to do that, hold onto the player and net the prospects with high ceilings that you can sign with that teams pick and the supplementary pick unless a ridiculous offer somehow hits the table. Padres have literally 0 chance of making the world series. In fact, so much so that the Vegas odds are +10000. To give an idea of how bad that is… the Yankees are +350, Boston is +650, Philly is +650 and the Pirates are tied for the worst with the Padres at +10000… Come on now…
If Jed Hoyer has half the brain on his shoulders that I think he does, and he has any say in the matter, Adrian will be in another uniform by May.
The pirates did learn with bay. so i take that back.
I think the Padres want to confirm what they have in Kyle Blanks before making a deal unless the deal is too good to pass up.
I understand that, but I just hope they realize they lose return on AGon each day into the season that passes.
I agree with B_L_LFTW
If only the Padres were as smart as he is!
Unfortunately they probably have NO IDEA when is the best time to trade Gonzalez?
I wonder if they think they should keep him a little while to sell tickets and compete while they can afford him?
Amazingly the Padres have improved a little and the West isn’t that tough.
NAH…..They’re just sitting around waiting for his prime trade period to pass so they can look foolish…..yea……that’s it!
Jed Hoyer was a huge loss to the Sox organization. You won’t hear me say a bad word about him. I’m saying I think that he is a smart guy and will move Gonzalez early to maximize his return. If you can’t sign him beyond this year, you wouldn’t hold onto him anyway… Competitive or not.
And to say that the NL West is weak enough that the Padres will compete is a bold statement. the Giants will run away with that division with one of the best rotations in the NL. If manny steps up again, the Dodgers will compete too with ethier and crew. But the Padres? That’s a bold statement
I think the NL west will see only a 10 game difference between 1st and last place. I have the Padres winning about 80 games. The padres have about a 10% chance to sniff the playoffs if all their young players progress and limit injuries. Anything can happen but most likely the padres are looking at competative baseball but 75-85 wins.
Jed Hoyer was a huge loss to the Sox organization. You won’t hear me say a bad word about him. I’m saying I think that he is a smart guy and will move Gonzalez early to maximize his return. If you can’t sign him beyond this year, you wouldn’t hold onto him anyway… Competitive or not.
And to say that the NL West is weak enough that the Padres will compete is a bold statement. the Giants will run away with that division with one of the best rotations in the NL. If manny steps up again, the Dodgers will compete too with ethier and crew. But the Padres? That’s a bold statement
I agree with B_L_LFTW
If only the Padres were as smart as he is!
Unfortunately they probably have NO IDEA when is the best time to trade Gonzalez?
I wonder if they think they should keep him a little while to sell tickets and compete while they can afford him?
Amazingly the Padres have improved a little and the West isn’t that tough.
NAH…..They’re just sitting around waiting for his prime trade period to pass so they can look foolish…..yea……that’s it!
Red Sox: Anderson, Ellsbury, Bard would probably do the trick, although I’m no expert on the Sawx farm system
A guy who was atrocious in AA last year, a guy a year away from arb, and a reliever? Don’t think so.
pretty sure it’d take more than that. For one thing, I don’t think the Padres are interested in Lars, with Kyle Blanks waiting. For another, not sure how much they want Ells, as he’s bound to get pretty expensive pretty quick in arb.
Maybe a Westmoreland, Ellsbury, Kelley deal?
Something like that.
though quite sure Theo wouldn’t do that. Probably really is hard to figure out what the middle ground would be they could agree on- at any rate, it wouldn’t be happening before the ASB at the very earliest, more likely after 2010.
“Anderson, Ellsbury, Bard”
Not even close.
The Padres have no need for Lars Anderson. They have Kyle Blanks who would move to 1B if Adrian were traded. Ellsbury would be nice, but since he’s arb eligible in two years the Padres probably wouldn’t take on that risk.
My guess is any deal would need to start with Buchholz. From there, some combination of Bard, Westmooreland, Kelly or Reddick would be required. They would probably need to part with Clay plus at least two of the above mentioned players to get it done.
Mostly agree. I used to say the same thing about Lars, but nothing wrong with aquiring prospects that can be traded later.
if the padres wait and trade him after the season, then the sox wouldnt trade clay,bard and westmoreland or kelly all together. no way that happens. one year for all that is bull and hopes theo dont do it. all the talk like the red sox are desperate for adrian is bull. they would love 2 have him but theo is not going to ship everyone out for him. im happy with youkilis being the red sox 1st baseman and next season there are some good FA 1st baseman.
I am not sure who is saying the red sox are desperate for Adrian, other than red sox fans.
the red sox would want adrian so would the rest of baseball(even da padres if they could of resign him) but theo has made it clear his not going to over pay. im all for trading for him but if the padres wait until next season to do it, then the red sox should fork over everyone.
Then I say F. Theo, lets trade Adrian to Baltimore. Baltimore has quite a few decent prospects, lets trade him there and screw Red Sox nation. You can keep your Bucholz, Bard and Kelly. Baltimore’s top 3 prospects are better then yours anyway. Gonz to Baltimore for Matsuz and Weiters.
I like baltimore as a trading partner but baltimore is in a similar situation as the Pads. They have a farm system that is looking better than it has in the past and a young core of talent that still needs to mature. They may be 2 years away from possibly contending and can thus wait until Adrian is a FA. I do like baltimores prospects though.
Once Adrian hits the open market other teams will out bid Baltimore for
Gonzalez; therefore, it makes sense for Baltimore to trade for him and have
exclusive bidding rights to him. It would make sense for Baltimore to
control their future by locking up a superstar without the interference of
the Red Sox or Mets. Baltimore can afford him because they offered large
contracts to other Free Agents in the past few years and saw those Free
Agents pick other clubs because they were winners. If the Padres got
Matusz, Weiters and perhaps another upper level prospect for Adrian I would
take that. The Padres would be getting a premium Catcher and another
potential staff Ace. With Matusz, Castro, Luebke, Latos, and all the other
upper level pitching prospects the Padres would be absolutely loaded. This
trade could yield a Padre lineup in 2013 of: 1. Cabrerra – ss, 2. E.
Williams [I think Williams will be a better player then Tate] – CF, 3.
Darnell – 3rd, 4. Blanks – 1b, 5. Decker – RF, 6. Weiters – C, 7. Rymer –
LF, 8. Zawadki/Cumberland – 2nd, 9. SP. The bench could have
speedster Durango as the 4th OF. The Rotation: Latos, Castro, Matusz,
Luebke, Sampson [so many possibilities here]. I would venture that at least
15 of the Padre roster would be making the MLB minimum at this point. If
the Padres could turn Adrian into Matusz and Weiters I think that would be
the best possible outcome. My prediction is that the Padre farm system will
be ranked either first or second after this season ————– it is
loaded with everything except for premium catchers and Weiters would sure
solve that issue.
There is no way that Baltimore would trade matusz and wieters. We would be lucky to get:
Tillman
Caleb Joseph
Britton
Erbe
You might be right; however, I would insist on one of Weiters or Matusz
[prefer Weiters] and two to three of those others you mention.
Then I say F. Theo, lets trade Adrian to Baltimore. Baltimore has quite a few decent prospects, lets trade him there and screw Red Sox nation. You can keep your Bucholz, Bard and Kelly. Baltimore’s top 3 prospects are better then yours anyway. Gonz to Baltimore for Matsuz and Weiters.
In late July 09 according to Buster Olney of ESPN, the Red Sox were reportedly offering pitchers Clay Buchholz, Junichi Tazawa and young slugger Lars Anderson as part a 5 for 1 trade for Adrian Gonzalez.
The Padres turned it down.
It is going to take a true block buster 5 fo 1 that includes areas of need for the Padres, not schlubs the Red Sox want to give away.
And don’t forget, Padres GM Jed Hoyer knows the Red Sox system as well as any man after having been the assistant GM there last season.
Lol….if you admittedly don’t know what you are talking about, then why say anything ??
I got an extension for him: this is me & the rest of the Mets faithful extending an open-armed invitation to come to Flushing…and show Omar & the Wilpons what a REAL 1B looks like .
OK…actually, this is me begging….
Dodgers trade James Loney and Ronnie Belliard, make Blake Dewitt starting second baseman with Jamey Carroll still a utility man on the bench. Won’t happen because of the McCourt divorce and the resulting unstable Dodgers financial situation, but I would go for that all the way. I’d even throw in a young decent prospect.
So, a replaceable second baseman and a power lacking 1b. No, you will need WAY more than that. Look at the proposed deal they had at the deadline last year, and you might have an idea.
The Dodgers might look into trading Chad Billingsley but I highly doubt the Pads will want him after the way he tanked after the all-star game in 2009.
You being serious?
Sadly, I think he was. Regardless, Billingsley will be too expensive for the Padres next year after he wins the NL Cy Young in 2010 (kidding about the last part, but not the first).
I always like trading away my marquis player for a player who is slightly above at the same position, plus another guy I could get off the scrap heap anytime. – My name is Allard Baird and I approve this message.
Haha, point for you.
We have a clubhouse leader for worst proposal by far…
thats basically james loney straight up for adrian gonzalez? never gunna happen. typical dodgers fan idea.
No, it really isn’t a typical Dodger fan idea.
More a typical Mets fan idea.
Keep dreaming. How about starting that offer with Kemp – then we have something to discuss. Belliard is an extra piece, that’s all. Loney is never going to develop the power people projected for him.
bahahahahahahaha. Oh man, thats worse than his deal
hah. I wouldn’t trade Kemp straight up for Gonzalez. Besides, thats stupid from the Padres side. They’d be trading Gonzo to get rid of payroll and getting back a player making more over the next 2 years and wont stay long term
I’m merely trying to make the point that if the Dodgers want a player like Gonzalez, they will need to give something up. Belliard and Loney don’t qualify as a legitimate offer. I thought the best way to make this point was to exaggerate what it might take to get Adrian from the Padres.
Last year there was a proposed trade for the dodgers from the padres. Adrian Gonzales and Heath Bell, for James Loney, Russel Martin, and Chad Billingsley.
You are only missing three more players that were rumored on this site and by Ken Rosenthal to be coming to the Padres in that deal.
Thats ok. What can we expect from a Dodger fan?
You are only missing three more players that were rumored on this site and by Ken Rosenthal to be coming to the Padres in that deal.
Thats ok. What can we expect from a Dodger fan?
You must be kidding. The package would have to be higher thank from most teams for the Pads to trade him to the dodgers
please don’t assume all Dodger fans are like this. One of the worst proposals i’ve ever seen.
Actually, I was thinking the Braves. Not as my first choice, but as a team who might make a serious offer. Might be wrong.
how can the white sox not be an option? they need a left handed power bat and konerko is a free agent after this year
The White Sox have the worst farm system in the game. Absolutely no way they have the talent that the Padres are most certainly looking for.
Worst? Far from it. The Padres would have to listen to a deal involving Daniel Hudson, Jared Mitchell, and Tyler Flowers.
Hudson, Mitchell and Flowers are the Sox top three prospects. After those three, it gets pretty barren.
Mitchell’s got, what, like 30 games of pro experience? Hudson and Flowers both look solid, but I think it takes more than those two to get it done.
i think either one of mitchell or danks would habe to be in it
This package and throw in Jordan Danks could get a deal done. Would the wsox really give up their entire remaining farm system?
You’re being a little dramatic here. Yes they may not have top of the line elite prospects, but they have some very solid major league ready players in Hudson and Flowers, and other nice pieces in Danks, Viciedo, Morel, etc. If some team decides they really want to mortgage their future for less than two years of Gonzalez I’m sure they could be outbid, but their is enough pieces there for a deal to happen. However it would likely destroy an already pretty bare farm system.
I think that the prospect of getting Adrian Gonzalez some time in May or June is what KW has been thinking during the Thome mini soap opera a couple of weeks ago. Remember, he’s stated that they’ve never really shut the door on going shopping for LH power during the season if needed. The whole “DH by committee” that Ozzie babbles about may just be a smoke screen for this too. Moreover, it’s not like Kenny and Towers haven’t orchestrated some sort of shocker deal in the recent past. If Hudson looks good in the opening month or so, I would not be surprised if John Danks ( and maybe Jordan too) is dealt. Morel and Rethorford are solid middle infielder types that may not get significant playing time with the Chisox because of Alexei Rameriez and Beckham at 2d and SS and thus could be dealt as well. I would hesitate, however, putting Tyler Flowers in the mix, given that it’s AJ’s last year on his contract and there is really no one in the organization other than Flowers to handle catching in 2011. Also, Konerko’s contract is up this year too, freeing up a good chunk of cash for2011. Remember, Kenny always cries that he doesn’t have the money to make deals…until he does.
I think the whitesox would have to truly believe that Adrian will put them over the edge and into the world series for them to consider depleting their system.
Really? guess the acquiring team? considering all those BoSox-Padres links it would come as a shock if they didn’t agree to give away Adrián for next to nothing to them.
The Padres are in desperate need of help, they need to find a good, cheap player that cautivates their fanbase, they found it on the González brothers, both by being locals and because they give back to their community, which in turn helps a lot to increase their “like-a-bility”, since the good old days of Tony had an everyday player been so popular.
I’m not even sure if I am gonna be back to their stadium, it’s my home team, but then again I don’t like the way they move players like it was a used pair of underwear.
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The Mets need this guy terribly!!! Come on Omar, the Murphy/Tatis platoon is not cutting it.
Martinez, Mejia, and niese would only be the beginning to a Mets package.
You’re insane if you believe that package would “only be the beginning”.
He is being realistic. The Padres were asking for Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Ryan Westmoreland, and Justin Masterson on July 31st last season. Its going to be just as big of a package they are looking for this season.
What do the Mets have to compare to that package?
He is being realistic. The Padres were asking for Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Ryan Westmoreland, and Justin Masterson on July 31st last season. Its going to be just as big of a package they are looking for this season.
What do the Mets have to compare to that package?
I’m sorry, I meant that would only be enough to get Jed on the Phone. Thanks for pointing out my obvious blunder.
i think the chisox can get him after ozzie realizes the rotating dh is dumb and they need another power bat badly
To Beckett_Lackey_LesterFTW: Your uninformed analysis forgets that Adrian has a cheap team option for 2011 – meaning he currently has 2 seasons under contract. Who are you kidding with the Bucholz/Bowden proposal?
As a Red Sox fan, I am actually not sure why the Red Sox have much of an incentive to trade for Adrian right now anyways. He’s currently at his peak value and the Red Sox have already filled the corners. In fact, they’ve overfilled them. Unless there’s another corner IF position that I’m unaware of, I would have to think the value of Gonzalez to the organization has gone down. If the Sox and Padres couldn’t reach an agreement previously, I don’t think there’s any match unless the Red Sox have an injury or the Padres lower their asking price.
This is not to say that Adrian is not worth more than that kind of proposal, but that I think we’d all have to assume that the current offer by the Red Sox would be no greater (and probably less) than their reported offers earlier in the offseason. In that respect, a proposal like Bucholz and Bowden and another solid might be all he is worth to the organization at this point with respect to improving team.
With DLee at the end of his contract and living around the SD area, I could see the Cubs trading for him. The cubs would give up DLee and a couple prospects for Adrian. As a Cub fan that really likes DLee, I would hate to see him go, but would like to see someone that will be around for awhile and DLee will probably not resign with the Cubs.
…and why would the Padres trade for Derrek Lee?
Lee would have to be a throw in and the Cubs would have to pay his salary. He also wouldn’t affect the amount of prospects going to the Daddy’s because he’s not something they’re looking for. Can’t see a possibility there because the Cubs apparently don’t have the financial flexibility to pay DLee and AGon plus give up the required prospects. It’s a non-starter.
I understand what you are saying but DLee has said in an interview with the tribune that he would love to go play on the west coast. He would be willing to give the Pads a “hometown” discount if he was traded. The issue is, the Pads are not going anywhere (playoffs) and the cubs have the chance (not saying they will… depends on a lot of things). Dlee knows his career is winding down and wants to win a championship, so the first key would be for him to waive the no-trade.
I’m not saying this will happen (my original idea) but it would be nice. We could worry about ext. at the end of the year.
More realistically I could see the Cubs getting in if AGon is still a Padre at the end of the 2010 season. They could let DLee walk, get AGon and save money. They’d need to deal the likes of Vitters, Hak-Ju Lee and perhaps either Cashner or Jackson. That’d be a lot to give up but AGon is a lot to get.
We here in Seattle would love his services…
some delusional O’s fans say we should blow up the farm for him – Arrieta, Erbe, Snyder + change
stupid idea in all respects, but theoretically we certainly have the pieces to get it done, and we only have “good” prospects at 1B – no great ones.
I think the O’s are the best match for a possible trade. The O’s have the need and the prospects.
I just don’t see the rationale for the O’s to get in on this deal. Their pitching staff is in the crapper and they have no chance of competing in the AL East. Why empty the farm that much for a guy that isn’t even going to put you into the playoffs? Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Want to trade off the farm? Fine, do it for pitching.
I dont disagree. I just like the Orioles prospects and they can use Adrian. I am not familiar enough with the O’s to know if they have any pressure to add pieces(while looking up at Boston/New York) or if they are being given the time to develop long term like the Padres are right now.
Mats need this guy terribly. The Murphy/Tatis platoon is not cutting it. Make it happen Omar, you bum!
FOR THE LAST TIME THE PADRES DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT WANT OR NEED LARS ANDERSON THEY HAVE KYLE BLANKS!!!!! Why do people insist in putting him in a Red Sox trade proposal.
Mostly because their current GM once again has strong ties to the BoSox, as did their past one, both proposed by a former padres GM who now is with the BoSox, actually i think he even owns part of the BoSox.
Just check the connections between the two teams, who replaced who, where are they now, and the trades they made a bit before they were no longer with the frailes.
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because for some reason people think every non contender is just dying to send away their best player for a handfull of overhyped nobodies. This is an MVP caliber player signed for half his value or less, for two more years. It will take a kings ransom or it won’t get done, simple as that. And no GM, not epstein, not cashman, nobody is gonna pull it off without paying.
Let’s hope Hoyer knows that, or better yet, enforces it.
With the way they sell tickets (averaged over 26,000 people per game), I think the Padres can afford him, the thing is… it seems they don’t want to afford him and ‘pocket’ money.
Why pay him $15/per or more if they can pay Blanks far less for the next 6 years. If Blanks can put up numbers this year like: .280/.360/.550 with 30 HR and 80 + RBI…. this type of performance would require the padres to trade adrian. This type of performance is not far fetched.
Here’s a excerpt from Moorad, “Availability of resources is not the issue. How we choose to deploy our resources is where the focus is.” So you would be correct, Padres want to focus the money on more than 1 player.
seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thehotstoneleague/2…
half his value? i think he was rated around 40.25 MM last year..
If the Padres value Lars Anderson highly they would be dumb not to take him just because they have Kyle Banks at the same position. The Phillies/Jays trade provided a perfect example of this. People questioned whether the Jays would want Taylor or Brown because their OF seems set for the near future. They took Taylor then flipped him for a player that filled their needs better.
If the padres think Lars won’t bounce back that is a perfectly reasonable point for not acquiring him. To take a lesser prospect because they have Kyle Blanks would be short sighted.
but Anderson is not exactly a prime prospect at this point, after a horrendous 2009.
That is not the point the Padres fans are making. They say they don’t need Lars Anderson because of the position he plays. If they don’t think Lars will live up to his potential and will be the 2009 Lars, that is fine, but to discount him solely because of his position is short sighted.
well right, you have a good point that the value of the prospect is not necessarily his value as a player on the major league team, but the relevant fact remains that the Padres almost certainly don’t want Lars.
I think the appropriate stance is that Lars value is less to the padres than to some other teams, because the Padres already have 1B taken care of.
Agreed.
Theo will not overpay for A-GON. Forget a package of Westmoreland-Kelley for him…
Where in the elite firstbasmen does everyone rank him? I have it like this, but I want to know what the general consensus is of his talent is outside PETCO.
Pujols
Fielder
A Gonz
Cabrera
Texiera
Morneau
Votto
Howard
Domination!
If you take into consideration that PETCo Park is purely a pitcher’s park, you can get a pretty good idea how good could he be playing in a bandbox stadium like Fenway 81 times a year.
Adrian is the second best 1B in baseball behind only Pujols. He’s a superior defender and his offensive totals are suffocated by PetCo. He would easily hit .300+ and 50+ HR in any other park. Yes, he is that good.
You know, folks in the Bronx are having a hard time hearing you. Speak up!
After pujols, it is almost 6 in one/half a dozen in the other.
The Mariners will make a run at him. They have showed interest several times over the past 2 seasons and they really cant afford to let the Red Sox get him with the Yankees already stacked in the AL.
Im saying Dustin Ackley, Mike Carp, and Michael Saunders or one of our many young pitchers (Luke French or Doug Fister) could get that deal done. The M’s dont want to empty the farm system but for AGon I think they would consider this. Our farm system wouldn’t be depleted we would still be very flexible team with lots of young talent.
The M’s have the pieces, the flexibility, PAYROLL, and most importantly a GM who has shown the ability to pull of a major deal.
Saunders/moore/triunfel/pineda would be acceptable but would deplete the Mariners farm system considerably. Dont want Carp and ackley cant be traded until next year.
Ackley can allways be the ” player to be named later “, like Bonderman was when he was traded by the A’s to the Tigers.
The Padres should be focusing on receiving high ceiling talent in the lower minors. What good does a guy like Buccholz do the organization? If he is the real deal, the team will be faced with the same situation they have with Gonzalez – namely a player they cannot afford. For a team going nowhere in the next couple years you don’t want players to peak during this time. You want them developing.
If I were the Padres I would raiding teams at their A and AA levels with an eye towards the talent cracking the bigs in 2-3 years. It’s more risky – sure. But, by assuming that risk you can often obtain more talent.
I think Buccholz has 4-5 years of club control remaining. I think the Padres would be interested in prospects or players with at least 4 years of club control left. The Padres farm system is loaded at the rookie, A, and AA levels. They would want near major league ready talent.
Control is not all that it’s cracked up to be.
Lincecum is under control for 4 more years. However, his primary value isn’t in control but in cost certainty. If Lincecum continues down his current career path, the Giants could easily be looking at 4/70 type deal for the rest of his “control” years. Sure that’s better than what you would pay on the FA market but it would cripple a team like SD.
So, if Buccholz starts to get really good the Padres will “control” him. But they will also be paying him well for his services. That’s something they can’t afford to do. They need guys to perform well BEFORE they are arb eligible.
THis is the problem with some MLB teams…You have control until their arb years ,then if they turn into great players,your going to have to pay them anyway..then what? trade them away cause ya cant afford them anymore? Linccicum wants 13mil his 1st year of arb..ryan howard got a huge arb salaries..Paps is being payed 9mil and has 1 more year of arb left..If your gonna own and run a team ,ya gotta spend some $$$..Bottom line..or just sell the team to someone that will..Gonzo should be able to stay in SD..But with a flimsy 40mil payroll,what can ya do? The sox can offer Buchholz or ellsbury,but if theyre performance keeps rising, your Going to have to pay them too..Thats why Sox fans are mentioning names like Gibson, Dubront, navvaro, reddick, et al….Pads fans laughing because of some proposals but forget that they have one of the LOWEST payrolls in MLB..If you want top tier guys like Kelly and Westy, in a couple years they are gonna want to get paid..so I ask again..can you pay them?
The O’s have the pieces to get him… its just depends on what they are willing to give up. If a trade did happen i see this happening tho. Adrian at first, atkins to 3rd and tejada to DH or just Atkins as DH and keep tejada at 3rd. The O’s can offer prospects, major league ready prospects and pieces that are already in the majors such as Pie, Wiggy, Luke Scott, Lou Montanez that can be included in the Prospect package….. just a idea tho if anyone else has something about the O’s.
Just get rid of Atkins all together… The padres would probably want something like Josh Bell and Brian Matusz or Zach Britton, in which case, I’d rather they just wait it out and see if they could get Prince Fielder down the road as a free agent.
I’d gladly give up Bell and Britton (plus more, probably) for Gonzalez.
Bell doesn’t have much range at third and he can’t hit lefties. Britton hasn’t played north of A-ball.
If those two were the headliners in a trade for Gonzalez, I’d say the Pads got shafted.
True, but their stock might rise by the trading deadline… I’d hope so atleast.
Probably all three.
I doubt the O’s would trade Matusz. But, Matusz, britton, arrietta would certainly get a deal done.
Any deal with the O’s would have to include Matusz.
Not necessarily… they could get by with a package of Tillman, Britton, Pie, and Snyder or something along those lines
Not necessarily… they could get by with a package of Tillman, Britton, Pie, and Snyder or something along those lines
I think the O’s might be more realistic next year and definitely a player if he hits free agency. their system has a lot of nice pieces in it, and a lot of them are on the way soon. Take into account that they do have some money, and I say expect to see them attempt to make a splash in 2011.
Any package from Baltimore would HAVE to include at least one of Wieters or Matusz just for starters
Theres no way the Os are giving up either of those two for anyone.
I really don’t think a trade for Agon would be wise for Baltimore. You know that Pie, Wiggy, Luke Scott, Lou Montanez do not entice the Padres. It would take a Matsuz led package, the O’s shouldn’t do that.
If the O’s are to be considered, I think you have to throw in the names Matusz and Tillman in order to even get a reaction from the Padres. In reality, the asking price is going to similar to Teixiera’s: at least three top prospects. Pie would be a nice pickup for the Padres right away to play in the OF, but by no means is he going to be the focus of any potential deal.
While I don’t want to see a repeat of the Teixiera deal, the Braves would make a lot of sense if/when Glaus breaks down. Since San Diego doesn’t need Freeman with Blanks ready to move back to 1B, the package would likely include J. Schafer, J. Teheran, K. Medlen, and a 4th. Of course, it would also block Freeman for 1 1/2 more years, so we’ll have to see whether they would actually pull the trigger. Or they could move Freeman to another team for a prospect or two that SD preferred, making it more of a 3-team deal.
IF Heyward is not the centerpiece, then the braves can get lost
He will go to the Red Sox. Bucholz would probably be involved, not sure if the sox would be willing to include Casey Kelly, but that’d probably work too. I’d love to see the Orioles get him but I’m scared of what it would take, I don’t want to give up Matusz.
After the much anticipated “Aubrey Huff Era” in San Fran, Sabean should go after Gonzalez. I know an inter-division deal in unlikely. but no one needs a left handed-power hitting first baseman more than the Giants. Revive the Cove!
…No one except for the Mets — considering that the TWO guys they have cued up don’t even amount to half a first baseman in the real world.
The Mariners will make a run at him. They have showed interest several times over the past 2 seasons and they really cant afford to let the Red Sox get him with the Yankees already stacked in the AL.
Im saying Dustin Ackley, Mike Carp, and Michael Saunders or one of our many young pitchers (Luke French or Doug Fister) could get that deal done. The M’s dont want to empty the farm system but for AGon I think they would consider this. Our farm system wouldn’t be depleted we would still be very flexible team with lots of young talent.
The M’s have the pieces, the flexibility, PAYROLL, and most importantly a GM who has shown the ability to pull of a major deal.
No, not gonna involve ackley. Instead it would be Lopez, Carp, and Saunders for A-Gon and one of their minor league outfielders or SP’s. This would also mean that the M’s wouldn’t be able to sign Bedard, dang it!
It might have to involve Ackley. Is it worth it? Is blazerbeliever’s trade something the Padres would consider? I would love to have Adrian Gonzalez, that power is the biggest hole in the Mariners lineup. I followed the Dodgers for a long time and don’t know as much about the Mariners prospects. All I know is the Dodgers will not get Adrian for James Loney and Ronnie Belliard! Maybe if they threw in Clayton Kershaw. Come to think of it, maybe the Ms should be going for Kershaw instead.
’10 Trade Deadline
Orioles receive: Adrian Gonzalez
Padres receive: Chris Tillman, Brandon Erbe, Caleb Joseph, Matt Angle
Oh, wait, I just remembered that our GM is allergic to risk. Nevermind…
This is close, throw in reimold and ok.
Depends on how Reimold’s performing in 2010, if he’s hitting well:
Tillman, Reimold, Erbe, Joseph and Angle for Gonzalez and James Darnell
I love playing GM…
PS – If Reimold is on pace for 25-30 home runs, I doubt the O’s will even consider trading him.
How about Weiters and Matusz for Adrian?
How about Weiters and Matusz for Adrian?
Red Sox. Lars Anderson, Casey Kelly, Mike Lowell and Michael Bowden, for Josh Banks and Adrian Gonzalez.
Horrible.
Mike Lowell? Seriously?
Why would the Padres want Lowell?
Josh Banks isn’t even on the Padres. What an awful proposal.
Wow, congrats ladies and gentleman…we have a new winner for worst trade proposal of all time. What are the Pads going to do with Mike Lowell? Make him an honorary bat boy?
I think it would be best if you just sat back and let the adults talk….why not watch awhile before your nap
three team deal? Sox and Cubs both send prospects to the Padres (Vetters and another top guys from the Cubs, Kalish, Bard, etc from Boston) and the Sox also send Lars Anderson and Ellsbury to the Cubs. Not the worst idea I’ve ever come up with, although I’m sure it’ll get shot down.
Last season there was talk of a 3 team deal for Gonzalez including the Cubs, Red Sox and Padres.
I saw several different versions of basically the same trade. They included the following players in different combinations.
Cubs getting Ellsbury and Lars Anderson.
To me there are just too many moving parts in those proposals to ever make them work.
Red Sox getting Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres and Jay Jackson or John Gaub from the Cubs
Padres getting Buchholz, Kelly, and Kalish or Westmoreland from the Red Sox and Cashner or Samardzija, and Hak-Ju Lee or Castro from the Cubs.
Last season there was talk of a 3 team deal for Gonzalez including the Cubs, Red Sox and Padres.
I saw several different versions of basically the same trade. They included the following players in different combinations.
Cubs getting Ellsbury and Lars Anderson.
To me there are just too many moving parts in those proposals to ever make them work.
Red Sox getting Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres and Jay Jackson or John Gaub from the Cubs
Padres getting Buchholz, Kelly, and Kalish or Westmoreland from the Red Sox and Cashner or Samardzija, and Hak-Ju Lee or Castro from the Cubs.
As much as I don’t like to say it, the Red Sox do make the most sense.
Of the “elite” farm systems in the game right now with the highest ceiling prospects (i.e. Braves, Rangers, Marlins, A’s, Rays, and Red Sox). Boston makes the most sense. Of course, to do so they’d either have to send Beltre elsewhere in order to move Youkilis back to 3rd or have an expensive bench.
I don’t see the Braves repeating the Teixeira move, the Marlins and Rays and A’s are pretty much out of the question. The only way the Rangers would do it is if they included Smoak as a part of the package.
Think that the M’s are going to give up Lopez, Saunders, and Rob Johnson. Yep, that’s how it’s going to go down.
For those of you automatically attacking Sox fans who are about to make possible proposals for Gonzalez remember a few things:
1) Theo covets Gonzalez, he tried to trade for him a couple of times when he was a prospect in Texas. Now he’s one of the top first basemen in baseball… when had a 1.045 OPS outside of PETCO last season.
2) Hoyer knows the Red Sox farm, he knows the players he’d want (take that as a plus or a minus however you want)
3) If the Pads owners doubt an extension he will be traded.
4) If he’s traded his peak value will likely be at the trade deadline this season.
So the Red Sox, as everyone keeps pointing out, will probably be in the market for a power bat since one of Beltre or Ortiz will probably not be providing power. I’d say at the break Theo will offer one of Westmoreland or Kelly (more likely Kelly), one of Kalish or Reddick (depends on who’s doing better at the deadline, likely Kalish), Pimentel, add to that probably 2 more out of Rizzo, Bowden (yes, Bowden), Navarro, and possibly Gibson.
People attack the Red Sox proposals because they are generally very stupid, as if the Sox can just give up spare parts and guys they don’t need. Yours wasn’t, though I agree with the above poster that Buchholz would probably need to be included. The only problem with yours is that most of those guys are pretty far from the majors.
I’ve been attacking Mets fans all offseason because half of their trade proposals implied Murphy was a blue chip, a year ago yanks fans were putting up trade proposals of Kennedy for anyone, Cubs fans have implied Theriot had the same trade value of a top SS. Heck I’ve even seen Royals fans make proposals that made me annoyed. But for some reason people seem to always want to shout it’s the Red Sox fans. The truth is within EVERY fanbase there’s a group of idiots who think they can get someone for nothing. The reason why there’s more from Boston, New York, and Chicago is because we have the largest fanbases.
As for my proposals… I’m more wondering how close to the majors do the Pads want their players? Kelly could be a 2011 midseason call up, Kalish could potentially be starting in 2011 on the expansion roster end of 2010, same for Navarro, Pimentel could see work in late 2011, same for Rizzo, Bowden could work out his kinks in the majors now. Or another name I left out, Doubront could be starting in 2011. So all in all not so far off and they have a fresh roster in 2011 with a few additions in 2012. By the way this paragraph wasn’t meant to attack… just stating I’m wondering if the Pads would really want major league ready or if they trade at the deadline if they’d want players fresh for 2011.
yes,but the Pads are a few years away from contending, so it would work out nicely..
Can we all stop with the “this team’s GM would probably want to trade with this team because he used to work for them and knows their farm system best” thing?
In 2010, with the internet and video and advanced scouting, it’s just plain ridiculous.
Hoyer has said his working with Epstein makes it harder to work out a deal since they value the Boston players with the same methodology and opinion.
According to this site, the Padres were asking for Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Ryan Westmoreland, and Justin Masterson on July 31st last season.
i am sure they are not going to be looking for any less in return for Gonzalez in 2010.
I wouldve done that deal in a heartbeat
According to this site, the Padres were asking for Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Ryan Westmoreland, and Justin Masterson on July 31st last season.
i am sure they are not going to be looking for any less in return for Gonzalez in 2010.
As a Mets fan, I do not see Gonzalez coming to Flushing (nor would I want him to).
I could see a straight up swap with the Giants for Jonathan Sanchez. Both teams would win.
I hope he gets traded and I hope it’s soon and I really can’t wait for the uproar when it’s not to the Red Sox.
The Red Sox would HAVE TO give up Kelly and Westmoreland just to start. Theo will not do that because he is a prospect junky and think the Red Sox system breeds all stars.
I honestly think a team like Mariners, Mets, Giants and Dodgers (if they get the divorce thing settled) would empty the farm for this guy.
They also wouldn’t wince at the price tag to get him. Boston will use Gammons like the puppet he is to pump up all their fringe prospects, but Hoyer has to know that if he takes a Boston package and it doesn’t rebuild the Padres into a real team, he will lose his job.
Theo won’t go to the mattresses for this player. He’ll offer Laptops aka Buchholtz, Bowden, Lars and more garbage. Other teams will blow that offer out of the water.
Once Mauer signs on the dotted line in Minny and Gonzales is traded to anywhere other than Boston, then Boston fans will have to come to the stark realization that their system is not developing top positional prospects at all.
Can’t wait to see the outrage in here when Gonzales goes somewhere else.
Dicky your’re totally right about Theo not wanting to give up those to players in a deal. If he was Roy Halladay would be in Boston not in Philadelphia.
Actually,he’s completely wrong.The Sox made a huge offer for Halladay that Riccardi turned down,which is why he was fired (partly),but Theo wasn’t going to go any higher for a mid 30’s starter that only had a year and a half left on his deal. But for Adrian, they will get it done. Dicky’s just a little bitter.
Not bitter. Just tired of Yankee and Red Sox fans proposing ridiculous trades in here and declaring their garbage prospects are enough to get all stars under reasonable contracts.
I also hate how the Boston centric media has declared Gonzales theirs when there are plenty of other teams in the league who would trade for this guy and offer more.
It’s that kind of arrogance that enrages fans of other teams in this league. As if Boston and NY is the only place great players can play.
The Yankees outbid everyone else on players. The Red Sox try to pump up their marginal prospects through the likes of their puppet Gammons and Keith Law and hope the opposing GM drinks that Kool Aid.
Hoyer knows the Boston system well enough to know who to target, but he also might know that the Boston prospects are built through the hype machine.
We’re seeing two short season A ball prospects who have proven nothing be mentioned as top prospects in the game in Kelly and Westmoreland. That’s outlandish.
The Mets could get him if they empty the farm and give the Padres players closer to the majors who are projected just as high as the Red Sox players.
If Hoyer makes the trade with Boston and it’s a bust, it will follow him for the rest of his career. The only positive thing for him is he’ll always have a job waiting for him in Boston for gift wrapping a young all star 1b to them.
I think he has bigger aspirations than that though. Like building a winning organization on his own.
Theo won’t do him any favors here and he knows any deal with Boston will be under the microscope for the rest of his career.
I expect Gonzales to go to a team other than Boston since the only tongue lapping Hoyer is going to get from trading him to Boston is from Gammons and the rest of the world know he’s Theo’s lap dog.
Gammons is a borderline “whack packer” when it comes to Boston these days.
“Theo will not do that because he is a prospect junky and think the Red Sox system breeds all stars.”
Maybe not ALL all-stars, but guys that could start on most teams like Youkilis, Ellsbury, Bard, Pedroia, Papelbon, Del Carmen, Buchholtz and Lester have been bred through the Sox system.
Are there teams that can put a better trade package together? Certainly, but your $500 baseball card isn’t worth $500 if no one is willing to pay that price. It’s all about what a GM is willing to give up. With 7 of the top 100 prospects and 4 picks in the top 60 in this years draft, I think Theo could pull off a trade for Agon if he so chooses. I, as a Red Sox fan, hope he does not.
“Boston fans will have to come to the stark realization that their system is not developing top positional prospects at all.”
At all? Westmoreland, Kalish, Rizzo, Anderson, and Iglesias are all top 100 MLB prospects and they are positional. Add Reddick, Fuentes, Lin, Exposito and I would hardly call their system devoid of positional prospects. (please refer above to Youkilis, Pedroia, Ellsbury who have graduated through the Sox system as positional players)
Take your Sox hatred elsewhere Dicky, or at least try to control it.
thanks Royal..you said almost exactly what i was going to type..Before you sox haters start bashing our farm system, please have some idea what your talking about…
They’re all top 100 prospects by Boston biased evaluators. Keith Law is Theo’s best buddy. I wonder why the Red Sox system always ranks so high? Hmmm?
The Red Sox do not have a better system than the Rays. Every scout in the game knows this, yet they get ranked higher.
This is why I HATE the Sawx. They are arrogant and they use the media to manipulate.
They also crap all over players once they are done with them. No wonder why there is no Old Timer’s Day in Boston.
You couldn’t get any ex-Red Sox players through the door without them spitting on the Green Monstah first.
What they’ve done to Lowell is a disgrace. Same as they did to all the guys who get traded and then Gammons does a hatchet job on them as they pass through the door.
No other team in the league makes it a point to kill a players rep when they deal him like Boston does.
It’s a disgrace.
For the trade to have gone through in June of 2009, the sox would have had to give up Bard, Westmoreland, Masterson, and 1 more. Now the Padres are going to be selling low because they are pushed up against the wall. Look for a trade involving Expisito, Tazawa, Buchholz, and possibly a nice prospect they get in return for the Lowell trade that is inevitably going to happen.
How exactly are they pushed up against the wall? A-Gon still has two more years under contract at a bargain salary. Wishful thinking on the Expisito/Tazawa/Buchholz proposal, as well as the idea that they’ll get anything of quality for Lowell.
Typical arrogant Sox fan proposal. Other teams will blow that offer out of the water for this guy.
According to this site, the Padres were asking for Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Ryan Westmoreland, and Justin Masterson on July 31st last season.
According to Buster Olney and this site, the Padres turned down a trade that involved Buchholz, Tazawa, Anderson and two more prospects.
They are certainly not going to be looking for any less in return for Gonzalez in 2010.
According to this site, the Padres were asking for Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Ryan Westmoreland, and Justin Masterson on July 31st last season.
According to Buster Olney and this site, the Padres turned down a trade that involved Buchholz, Tazawa, Anderson and two more prospects.
They are certainly not going to be looking for any less in return for Gonzalez in 2010.
For this type of deal,the acquiring team is going to have to have the talent required and the money to sign AGon to a big extension. That pretty much leaves the Yanks and Red Sox. The Yanks have Teixeira, so would obviously not be involved. It’s a nice pipe dream for other team’s fans,but if the Sox want the guy,and the Yankees aren’t in the picture, then the Sox will get him. And we ALL know this. I’m pretty sure they could even get it done without Kelly or Westmoreland, but would have to pretty much give up their next 5 best prospects after them (except Iglesias). Not exactly sure who Hoyer would want those 5 to be but Buchholz would prob be in also. Just reality,with no Yankee involvement, if SD decides to move him, he will be in Boston (especially since he’s already said that’s where he wants to go).
Chimoca – You hit it on the head. No one’s trading major prospects for Gonsalez unless they are going to pony up a 7 yr/150M-175M contract extension. There’s a narrow group of teams willing to pay this much money AND able to provide quality young players….I think now is when Hoyer has the MOST leverage – the longer the Pads wait, the weaker the trade proposals will become(just ask Toronto). Hoyer is smart enough to learn from the mistakes of his peers. Unless the Pads are making a run this year, Gonzo will be gone by the trade deadline.
11 teams have players with deals that give then an average annual salaries of $18 million or more. The Yankees have several.
17 teams have players with deals that give then an average annual salaries of $17 million or more.
In 2010 11 teams will have a player with a salary of $18 million or more.
That means a pretty big group of teams in the major leagues already have players with contracts with similar salaries to what Gonzalez will likely get in FA.
The Mariners, Orioles, Dodgers and Cubs were all also rumored to have made offers to the Padres for Gonzalez.
So the Red Sox and the Yankees are definitely not the only teams that can
A) afford Gonzalez
b) make a offer of enough talent to land Gonzalez
11 teams have players with deals that give then an average annual salaries of $18 million or more. The Yankees have several.
17 teams have players with deals that give then an average annual salaries of $17 million or more.
In 2010 11 teams will have a player with a salary of $18 million or more.
That means a pretty big group of teams in the major leagues already have players with contracts with similar salaries to what Gonzalez will likely get in FA.
The Mariners, Orioles, Dodgers and Cubs were all also rumored to have made offers to the Padres for Gonzalez.
So the Red Sox and the Yankees are definitely not the only teams that can
A) afford Gonzalez
b) make a offer of enough talent to land Gonzalez
I have just sat at my computer and read all of these deals and focused mostly on the deals with the BoSox because I’m from BoSox Nation and I have to agree with Beckett_Lackey_LesterFTW that the Padres don’t need Lars Anderson. Also I read trading Ellsbury, Bard, and Anderson. The BoSox don’t have any big name relievers due to the departures of Wagner and Saito to the Braves. Their only good relievers are Bowden, Paps, Okajima could be ok considering his ’08 season, and Bard. Also depending on what they decide to use for their rotation. I project the starters to be Beckett, Lester, Lackey, Matsuzaka, and Wakefield with Buchholz in the pen. I just looked at Blanks’ stats from last season and they seem to the stats of an avg. player through his first 54 games of the year. If needed he could start for the Padres on opening day.
The Pads should give him part ownership of the team.
the pirates should offer
Jose Tabata, Tim Alderson , Robbie Grossman, Zach Duke/Paul Maholm, ryan Doumit
No chance.
Let’s see, Delmon Young, Alexei Casilla, and Trevor Plouffe for AGon. Then we could trade Jesse Crain to the White Sox for Gordon Beckham and their DH spot, we could bat one DH for our pitcher and the other for Punto.
Talk about an awesome lineup:
Span CF
Mauer C
Morneau 1B
Gonzalez DH1
Kubel LF
Cuddyer RF
Thome DH2
Beckham 3B
Hardy SS
(God, I hope this is over the top enough that no one takes it seriously.)
You achieved your goal! 🙂
I actually could see the Twins trying something here. With their “surplus” of outfielders in their minor league system I think something could get done.
I think a trade of Aaron Hicks, Ben Revere, and Delmon Young could get Gonzalez out of San Diego.
You figure to put Cuddyer in Left, Span in Center, and Kubel in Right with Adrian as the DH/1B and this could work out. It is just a thought.
For two years the Twins would have the most power heavy lineup they have ever had in their history.
You figure for
and what of Morneau?
Seriously?! Why would the Padres want a return of three outfielders?! Plus Kubel isn’t an every day outfielder in any sense of the word. He belongs at DH.
The Twins lineup is already lefty-heavy as is and there is no spot for Adrian. His Gold Glove defense is wasted at DH and if you play him at DH, you have to put Kubel and his bad legs in the outfield. It’s a poor decision, plus look at the lineup.
Span – L
Mauer – L
Morneau -L
Gonzalez – L
Kubel – L
Cuddyer -L
Hardy – R
Punto – S
Harris – R
…gross.
Delmon Young, huh? Awesome…
For one the AL has a DH spot so that is taken care of for morneau and Adrian. Also, Young is still very young and I think the Padres wouldn’t have any issues taking a guy in his low 20’s to work towards the future. By getting these three players you have a future setup of 3 possible all-stars.
Would you rather have service time from three players totaling more than 10 years of service time that doesn’t cost a lot of money or one player who you only have for two more years at a high price and would only get you two draft picks?
imagine pittsburgh with a lineup including Gonzalez, Mccutchen, Alvarez, G Jones, in the middle
My guess it will be a couple names that people who arent familiar with the sox system will see ,along with a known name or 2…. And realize that Kelly, westy, and Bard would NEVER, and I repeat NEVER be in the same deal..Someone please tell me what the Pads needs are…I heard It was C, SS and maybe OF…In that enormous field in SD, you look for gap hitters with speed…Guys like (of)Reddick, (ss/2b)Gibson,(of)fuentes,(of)Che-Hsuan Lin,(c)Federowicz….add a couple of those guys with a known name that isnt Kelly,Westmoreland or Bard.. Maybe Buchholz or Ells…..
Why would the Padres want a heap of Red Sox C grade prospects, with the possibility of soon to be arbitration eligible and overrated Buchholz or Ellsbury?
Of course the Padres want the Red Sox garbage. After all, it’s Red Sox garbage. Peter Gammons will tell you Red Sox garbage is sweeter smelling and better for the community than another teams garbage.
Dicky, It would be nice for you to control all this sox hatred you have in everyone of your posts..but Im sure your too arrogant to do that…
I’m just here to remind the moronic Sox fans that they can’t just snap their fingers and be handed the best players in the league. That and there happen to be other teams in the league other than the beloved Sawx.
You want to talk arrogant? Look at a Sox fan trade proposal. Read a Gammons piece praising Sox prospects who become nothing in the hopes of raising their trade value for Theo and still try to tell us he’s regular media and not a PR arm of the Sawx.
That’s arrogant.
No, your partially right..I believe,after rethinking, that One of Kelly or Westy would be involved…and as far as c players..While Jed hoyer was here, he talked highly of those players i mentioned..So your c prospect opinion is just that, your opinion…
Hoyer has stated that his working for Theo makes it much more difficult to work out a trade. This is due to similar valuations and opinions of Boston players.
I don’t see the Padres going for someone like Buchholz as he is approaching his arbitration years. The Padres want cost controllable players with high upside. At this point Westmoreland is looking like a risky prospect, Kelly hasn’t proven himself above A ball, Bowden is a younger Kevin Correia at best. I’m just not seeing how the two clubs will match up.
I could see another club that wants to make a huge splash give up the farm. I hadn’t thought about it, but someone like the Orioles makes sense as they have the young players as well as the constant shadow of the Yankees and Red Sox.
Maybe the Dodgers for Loney, Ethier, Gordon and one of McDonald, Troncoso or Belisario. But considering the division rivalry, if they could get a fairly equal package out of the division, the Padres would go that way. There’s the Red Sox. Possibly the Rangers for Chris Davis, one of their catching prospects, Nelson Cruz and Derek Holland.
The Dodgers should trade Kershaw as well, that is fair.
The Red Sox have Youkilis, Martinez, Lars Anderson and Anthony Rizzo available or coming up in the system to play 1st base. The Sox need to be looking for a future 3rd baseman.
Youkilis plays fine 3rd base (its his natural position). His bat is more valuable at third anyway.
3rd Base was Thome’s and Pujols natural position too. Youkilis is built like a 1st baseman. How long until he is no longer a plus fielder at 3rd? When that happens, we’ll be looking for a 3rd baseman in a year or two. Keep Youk at 1st where is a gold-glover. If we need a big stick, try for Fielder or Cabrera who will both be DH candidates in a year or two and hope the Nationals won’t be able to afford Zimmerman when his contract starts getting expensive.
The Z Man will get it done. He’s a genious. Here’s my call:
Lopez/Saunders/Aarsdma/Olson/ (maybe even Triuenfel, though I hope it’s not necessary cause I want him to replace Wilson at SS in 2012)
Getting Aarsdma allows Pads to slip him into Closer role, and then move Bell for even more prospects.
Go Z Man!!!
Aardsma and Olson? Seriously? I hope that was a joke…
heres the deal…the mariners are going to be the one who ends up with adrian. they have slowly but surely been assembling solid, low cost chips at first base for the padres and they have enough pieces in the farm system to satisfy them. how does a trade of kotchman, garko, truinifel, and maybe adam moore sound?
Not even close…Kotchman AND Garko? Really? When Blanks is ready to go?
The Cubbies should definitely be in the mix. This is the LH bat they need so badly. It would need to be a three way deal though as D Lee is making about the same $$$. They have plenty of young arms and a couple of nice position players that I would give up for this guy. If they could find a taker for Lee I would do it.
how about the Red Sox? they were looking for Gonzalez & Cabrera in the offseason, how about the Sox send both the Pads & Cubs some prospects, Cubs send Sox Lee, & Pads send Cubs Gonzalez? Win, win, win?
I’ll say it again, the Tigers actually match up pretty well here. Cabrera goes to DH. One of their elite pitching prospects (Crosby or Turner) goes to SD along with a dude like Streiby or Wilkin Ramirez and maybe a solid relief prospect. And Dombrowski (who originally drafted Gonzalez) signs AG to a fat extension. The Tigers have a ton of money off the books after this season. This makes way, way more sense than signing Damon. But yeah, the Red Sox will probably get Gonzalez.
I really would love to see him in a Mariners lineup.
(L)Ichiro
(S)Figgins
(R)Lopez
(L)Gonzalez
(S)Bradley
(R)Griffey
(R)Gutierrez
C
(R)Wilson
That would be a fun lineup to watch.
NTCs aside, I think a Cubs/Pads swap could work well for both teams. Cubs give up Lee, Vitters and some pitching prospects for Gonzalez. Of course, Cubs would have to eat as much of Lee’s contract as necessary to make the deal palatable for the Padres.
Padres get a year of Lee at a reduced cost with a chance to re-sign the 35 year old to a contract they can handle and the Cubs third basemen of the future to eventually replace Kouzmanoff’s replacement, probably Headley.
Cubs get a 28 year old LH stud to replace Lee at first, hopefully with the idea of extending him long term. They would also have to be willing to sign Aram to a longer deal than they would have liked as there would no longer be a ready replacement for him.
Not even close…
Vitters has fallen off a little and the Padres system is full of 3rd base prospects in Darnell, Forsythe and Rincon. A deal centering around Starlin Castro would interest the Padres much more.
I just really hope he doesn’t go to the redsox, i doubt it happens, but that would not be fun as a yankee fan. Most likely, i see him going to the orioles (for what ever the reason, they think they should compete now) or the redsox.
the Sox will get A-Gon. I posted above that they will have their backs against the wall, but I thought this was his contract year. My bad. Anyway – I think Westmoreland +Kalish + Tazawa + Buchholz + Reddick will get the job done. Thats 5 top 10 prospects from the Sox, all of which could reach the MLB in the next 1-2 years. Huge ceiling for all of the prospects, dodged the 1b that the Padres have, 2 great pitchers, 3 great OF.
Gonzalez to the Angels for Hank Conger (C), Jordan Walden (SP), Howie Kendrick (2B) and Juan Rivera (OF). The Angels move Morales to LF to make room for A-Gon.
I know it would be great for any team to see Gonzalez in the line up however who will play 2b? Izzy is our premiere IF bench player. I guess its always fun to wish haha.
Gonzalez is a great fit for the Orioles especially with his LH power at Oriole Park at Camden Yards. He could probably hit close to 50 HR a year playing his home games there.
I’d love to see Andy MacPhail trade for him but he’s way to cautious to make a move like that. And he’d never pay the money it would take to extend him.
Still I would deal Tillman, Arrieta, Snyder, Pie and one more for him if the Orioles could get him to sign an extension for something like 8/160.
Yankees move Jeter to CF, A-Rod to SS, Texiera to 3B and trade for Gonzalez, then promptly sign him to a 200M extension.
Then move posada to pinch hit role, sign mauer, then trade romero pena plus dave roberstson for albert pujols to DH.
Exactly! Which frees up some cap room when Beckett’s available next year! :-0
I don’t see a trade happening before the trade deadline at the end of July. San Diego needs AGon to sell season tickets and, short of injury, his value will not decline from now until then.
I believe the Sox will go after him hard and that it will take a raft of good prospects to get it done. The Padres want cheap talent that they can control for as long as possible. This means all of the packages that include Ellsbury or Papelbon or other Arb eligible players (esp. with Boras as their agent as is the case with Els) are unlikely, IMO. The Fathers will ask for Buchholz (made expendable by acquiring Lackey), Kelly OR Westmoreland, and a couple of second tier Sox prospects (not including Lars Anderson as many SD’s fans point out above).
I think it will come down to Theo & the FOs willingness to part with one of their top two farm hands Kelly or Westmoreland to land AGon. To date, Theo has apparently said “no” but let’s see what the Sox do in the first half of the year. Weak offense/injuries might shift his response to “si!”
Go Sox!
It will take much more than “one of your two top farmhands” who have only played A ball and haven’t shown they can do anything at a higher level than that.
If Hoyer traded for players 3-4 years from the majors, which is what your “two top farmhands” are as the centerpiece to his deal, he would lose his job in another year or so.
The Padres will try to get talent that is close to major league ready. Think what the Mariners had to give up to get Bedard. Does Boston have an Adam Jones like prospect right now? Not in their upper levels.
The team that offers the Padres the most impact players at AA and AAA will get him.
Lars and Bowden are not impact players.
Just to be clear, the center piece of the deal would be Clay Buchholz, a current MLB SP who is under control for several years and has SP1 or SP2 upside potential. Better than an AA or AAA impact player, right?
Westmoreland and Kelly are projected to be on the Sox in two (not 3-4) years (Kelly may be as soon as 2011) and are listed as the 1 and 2 prospects in the Red Sox farm system. I also mentioned above that Lars would not be part of the ask. Bowden could be the third or fourth player in the deal or not.
It will be an interesting trade deadline!
Carlos Triunfel (3B), Mark Lowe (RHP), Greg Halman (OF), and Gabriel Noriega (SS), for Gonzalez.
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Theo only has to beat the Yanks in the AL, he knows this..And the Yanks are vulnerable now full of aging stars and questionable starters..So Theo will wait on AGON. What if age finally catches up to Pettite, Rivera, Posada, Jeter ? Theo knows there is a good chance the Yanks take a step back – normal cycles, law of averages – the Yanks were lucky with their rotation last year..So Theo will wait…What is AROD’s balky hip acts up ? What if Gunderson is a bust ? Theo will wait, his team is strong and getting stronger…One caveat, if Papi struggles, all bets are off…Don’t rule out Sox going for Fielder instead.
I have to say MCab and A-Gonz hitting next to eachother, each signed through their respective primes is one of the best 3-4 punches in the league. AROD/Tex, Mauer/Morneau, Utley/Howard and Pujols/Holliday are up there, but it would be very interesting to see what MCab and A-Gonz using eachother as protection can do, considering neither had that last year and they both are under 30 years old! Tigers have the money to extend A-Gonz after 2011, when his contract expires.
Are the tigers prepared to give up?:
Sherzer
Sizemore
Austin Jackson
Alex Avila
these are all MLB ready players that the Tigers plan on using this season and next to compete. Scherzer is less desirable for the Padres since he already has one year exhausted. Sizemore is not that touted of a prospect. San Diego will want players that have full 6 years. Detroit wants to compete now, so it won’t send any prospects that they need to use now to win.
P Casey Crosby
P Daniel Schelereth
OF Strieby
OF Casper Wells
SS Cale Iorg
Padres is loading up on pitching, OFs, and Middle Infield. When they were talking to Boston, the players that San Diego was bent on getting were SS (Iglesias), OF (Westmoreland), OF (Kalish/Ellsbury), P (Kelly), and RP prospects. In this deal, the Padres are getting exactly that. Westmoreland is a similar player to Strieby and Kalish is similar to Casper Wells. Iglesias is better than Cale Iorg but Crosby is better than Kelly. Schelereth is an excellent RP prospect and could close for them one day.
According to this site, the Padres were asking for Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Ryan Westmoreland, and Justin Masterson on July 31st last season.
According to Buster Olney and this site, the Padres turned down a trade that involved Buchholz, Tazawa, Anderson and two more prospects. Iglesias may well have been one of the prospects. I would think the Padres would be swayed more by a good catching prospect than a good SS prospect with Cabrera manning SS for them now.
According to this site, the Padres were asking for Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Ryan Westmoreland, and Justin Masterson on July 31st last season.
According to Buster Olney and this site, the Padres turned down a trade that involved Buchholz, Tazawa, Anderson and two more prospects. Iglesias may well have been one of the prospects. I would think the Padres would be swayed more by a good catching prospect than a good SS prospect with Cabrera manning SS for them now.
Braun/Fielder? u gotta put them up there too, just saying
you’re right, totally forgot about them. they are another awesomely talented, young aged group. but you have to wonder if they still will be together after the 2011 season with Prince Fielder having Boras as his agent. that would be another perk for the Tigers. Having one of the best 3-4 hitting crews in baseball, and neither of which represented by Scott Boras :).
Not saying he would be the centerpiece of the deal by any means, but Michael Bowden would probably be a pretty attractive piece to the Padres. Bowden would probably be pretty decent-to-good in that stadium and division. Something around a low-to-mid 4 ERA. He’s under team control for a while and his numbers will probably never be earth-shattering, so he’s not gonna cost a ton in arbitration when he gets there. So I would say he’ll probably be included and perhaps even coveted by San Diego. Provides decent performance for low cost, which is exactly what the Padres probably want. And he doesn’t really have a future in Boston, clearly.
Bowden showed nothing in the majors so far. He looks incredibly hittable with no out pitch. Why would the Padres think he, all of a sudden, is going to fill a rotation spot for them?
Let’s be realistic about an Agonz deal: This has 3 way trade written all over it. No team wants to exhaust their farm and that is exactly what it will take to get him. Red Sox make sense and he would be an animal at Fenway. Is a 4 way deal out of the question? I don’t think so. This will be a 5 or 6 for 1 type deal (Tex, Bedard). Low salary, GG, slugger…
Out of curiosity, what are the Padres wants? Do they want prospects? Do they need relievers? They are about to sign Torreabla, so they don’t need a catcher. I doubt a deal with the Dodgers would get done, except that there was apparently one brewing at the deadline last year. I wonder if they would still want to include Heath Bell in a deal for A-Gon. Do they have anyone else who can close? I think any deal would have to start with Loney, as why would we need two 1B? That being said, I really like Loney and would be happy with him playing first for the Blue Crew this season. I’ve said before though that I think the only player I wouldn’t mind trading him for(or at least the one we could conceivably get) is Gonzalez.
Torrealba is going to be a one year deal and would only backup Hundley and the Padres farm system does not have many good catching prospects other than Dusty Ryan whom they recently traded for. A real good catching prospect could be the centerpiece of a 3 team trade for Gonzalez.
And yet no one mentions Luis Exposito? But still Exposito shows a lot of upside.
If he makes it to majors and that’s a big IF, he’ll be backup catcher at best. No scout I know projects him as a major league starter unless they have Red Sox Kool Aid flowing in their veins.
Luis exposito. Second getting on my pc just to prove you wrong. He’s the third best hitting prospect catcher in baseball next to Jesus montero and buster posey. He hit .337 at double A last season with an .860 ops… Yea… Prettttty baddd.
He is not even close to be a top catching prospect
scoutingbook.com/prospects/c
Not to mention 314 in the fall league
Exposito may indeed be one of the prospects that would be part of a deal for Gonzalez. He is not a top 20 catching prospect though, so he would not be one of the major pieces.
The Padres were asking for Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Ryan Westmoreland, and Justin Masterson on July 31st last season.
So maybe Buchholz, Kelly, Lowrie, Westmoreland and Exposito would get it done.
Torrealba is going to be a one year deal and would only backup Hundley and the Padres farm system does not have many good catching prospects other than Dusty Ryan whom they recently traded for. A real good catching prospect could be the centerpiece of a 3 team trade for Gonzalez.
To be completely and totally wowed. Every offer on this forum is a biased offer from a “team” that wants to conserve their farm and get a top tier player for the lowest possible amount (see NASA). Not one offer on here is someone proposing a WOW type of offer no matter how they justify it in their own minds. Did anyone propose 6 for 1 on here to try and land Tex? NO way! Start betting the farm and that is what the Padres are looking for.
Wow this post is ridiculous.
Let me guess…Martinez, Mejia, Niese, Wright, John Franco(?), Pelfreys son (projected prospect in 2029), a Jackie Robinson bobble head, $75 gift certificate to the concession of their choice (I’d go with Blue Smoke, I’m going there Friday after work…really good) and an autographed Keith Hernandez SNY polo shirt. Maybe we’ll throw in the apple from center field too, just in case their on the fence about things.
Would that get AGon to play in Citi Field? Sounds like a deal to me.
If this thread ends up like all the Halladay ones, a Padres fan is gonna come tell you that that isn’t enough and you should be ashamed of yourself for even assuming it was.
I already got that earlier in the thread for mentioning Daniel Murphys name. Like as if I suggested Murphy for Gonzalez straight up.
Thats the same problem I’m having. Everyone is so focused on my talks about Lars Anderson’s ceiling, that they have completely missed the point of the initial post, which is lets not sell low on Anderson, because the Padres after last year won’t give the Sox much “value” for him. I’d rather wait, see what we have in him, and if we are going to move him as a “spare part” lets do it once we know he’s not going to reach his ceiling. Not move him at his lowest value after a terrible 2009 where he played through injuries and struggled at the plate.
Same goes for F-Mart in NY… I don’t know why they would consider moving him AGon, when the Mets are not going to be able to keep up with the Phillies (which sucks cause I hate the Phillies) this year. They would be selling low on a guy with Granderson or even Sizemore potential. He could well become a 5-tool player, which is hard to come by and AGon is not even a 5 tool player (though he’s got 4 down pretty good). It would be very dumb to sell low on him this year moving him in a package with all that talent. I wouldn’t do it if I were Omar Minaya, but then again, I wouldn’t have done a lot of things he has done as the Mets GM. Of course, this is if you believe that he ever really had control of the franchise.
Tigers match up well. Crosby, Jackson, Sizemore, and either Oliver or Turner + B/C prospect get it done. Gonna have to be after the draft and @ the deadline though if they wanna include one of the last two guys (which the deal should.) Tigers get Gonzo, Padres get two stud starters and an MLB ready CF and 2B.
Friars gonna ask for a similar return to what the Rangers got for Tex when they traded them to the ATL. Mark it down.
No way the Tigers make that trade.
No way the Tigers make that trade.
AGonz to the O’s for Tillman, Pie, and Snyder!
AGonz to the O’s for Tillman, Pie, and Snyder!
Adrian Gonzalez to Baltimore for Matt Weiters and Brian Matusz. To heck with trading Gonz to Boston. They can keep their overrated prospects.
Going to take a lot more than that, although those two would be a good start on a 5 for 1 deal.
If the O’s offered those 2 players, they’d have him right now. They blow whatever the Red Sox could offer out of the water.
Going to take a lot more than that, although those two would be a good start on a 5 for 1 deal.
Adrian Gonzalez to Baltimore for Matt Weiters and Brian Matusz. To heck with trading Gonz to Boston. They can keep their overrated prospects.
dear god why would the orioles want to trade for gonzalez at the cost of their pitching staff/Wieters!!! They’re already pretty solid offensively with Roberts, Jones, Markakis, et al. They’ve plugged in a 1B who could potentially regain .290/20/100 form. Their pitching staff, however, is crap. They need to address that before unloading their best SP prospect/the catcher of the decade for a first basemen. Sure he may be great and have power, but whats really the difference between him and another top 10 1B? Power hitting 1B basically grow on trees. Catchers of Wieters caliber are rare.
How are you going to compete with the Yanks/Sox? CC, Burnett, Pettitte, Vazquez, Joba/Hughes… Beckett, Lester, Lackey, Dicek, Clay…
With Millwood, Guthrie, Uehara, Hernandez, Hendrickson (yahoo depth chart: sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/bal/depthchart)… as the incumbents
Matusz, Tillman, that other prospect… can’t remember his name.. waiting in the wings. call me underwhelmed
This is from MLB.com on Lars…Statistically speaking: Left-handed hitters are supposed to struggle against southpaws. That hasn’t been the case with Anderson. He’s managed to hit .307 against southpaws in his two years as a pro, a touch better than his .302 mark against right-handers.Scouting report: He has an advanced approach to hitting, simple mechanics, knowledge of strike zone and plus power to all fields. He should hit for average and power in the big leagues and he’s worked hard on his defense to the point where he’s a good first baseman.Upside potential: All-Star-caliber first baseman that will contend for batting titles and RBI crowns, with plenty of homers to boot.They said it: “We’re happy with the progress that he’s made. He’s always shown the ability to hit from the day he walked into the organization. He’s continued to improve in his discipline and his ability to drive the ball. He’s also made strides defensively, so there’s a lot of things to like here. He’s somebody we’re very excited about.” — Red Sox Farm Director Mike HazenHe said it: “For me, there’s nothing more enjoyable than hitting a ball well, and seeing that trajectory, and having that feeling in the bat where it’s almost a feeling of nothing, yet it’s something. It’s almost like magic.” — In Baseball Prospectus Q&A
How many times do you need to be told that the Padres already have Blanks to fill that role and he’s a much better prospect. Lars regressed last year. You couldn’t get Alex Gonzales for him right now. Deal with it.
I AGREE WITH YOU LOL. Read my post! He’s not a piece worth moving for Gonzalez. You are not reading. He would be a spare part, if Hoyer wants him at all. Its stupid to trade him now
Keep in mind on all of these possible trade talks that AGonz is not featured in the initial package released by the Padres to season ticket holders… The plot thickens… It was Colonel Mustard in the Library with the Candlestick!
seattle has been stocking up for a player like gonzalez
in fact here is what i saw…
i think that the m’s have a fantastic chance to get that one big bat at the trade deadline guys. what you have to realize is they are stockpiling multiple CHEAP first basemen (kotchman/garko), a CHEAP byrnes in left, and other great prospects in the minors (triunifel, moore, etc.) that they could make a very impressive package for a team that is trying to shed salary (e.g. THE PADRES). Adrian Gonzalez has a terrific chance to end up in seattle. The red sox prospective trade bait has much higher salaries than those guys do. Watch jackie z’s magic unfold this year. If they got adrian they will make a deeeep playoff run this year.