Some Indians tidbits courtesy of The Plain Dealer's Terry Pluto..
- The Indians are keeping an eye on Jermaine Dye, who recently turned down a $3.3MM offer from the Cubs before they moved on to Xavier Nady. Cleveland would like to add a right-handed bat, and Dye fits the job description. However, with a UZR/150 lower that -21.0 in each of the past four seasons, the 36-year-old is a defensive liability.
- Jonny Gomes is another righty slugger on the open market who could land with the Tribe. The 29-year-old is coming off of a banner year with the Reds, though he posted a -23.4 UZR/150 in the outfield. As we've heard before, the club is also talking to Russell Branyan.
- The Indians are expected to have the lowest payroll in the Central Division at about $65MM. It appears that the only club in the American League with a lower payroll will be the Oakland A's.
Il bet sizemore is gone come midseason
I would make that bet if I were you. The Yankees would be a good fit.
I’m so excited for the talks of such a trade to come up.
Possibly the Rockies, Giants, Brewers, Cardinals, Reds, or Red Sox would be a good fit as well.
I agree with all those you mentioned except red sox and cardinals. Sox payed cameron 15million, their not gonna bench him when he can still play he isn’t GMJ yet.
Cards outfield is filled.. OF holliday/rasmus/ludwick with top prospect( and I use the word “top” very loosely) Allen craig waiting in the reins
Well the point of him going to the Cardinals would be for the Indians to demand Rasmus plus others. I would much rather have Sizemore than Rasmus but I think the one team that has a chance to work something out would be the Yankees.
Mark Melancon, Gary Sanchez, Brett Gardner, and Zachary McAllister for Grady Sizemore
Damn that’s a lot for 2years of sizemore.
And I agree, sizemore>rasmus, but when you factor in sizemore is coming off injury and is making 12M/season, I’d take rasmus who is getting 400k
Well the Indians would probably ask for Phil Hughes. The Yankees would then say, no…We will give you Mark Melancon, Brett Gardner, and you can take your choice of a couple of other youngsters. You know what Ferrariman, The Xavier Nady/Damaso Marte really washed out the Yankees system. I’m not saying they have a bad minor league system but they could have had a lot more trade flexibility come time to get some quality major leaguers such as Grady Sizemore. I bet Ross Ohlendorf and Mark Melancon straight up for example could have gone along way in the Yankees pursuit of Grady Sizemore.
lol usually i agree with you but for the yankees to get sizemore try a package of joba or hughes take your pick sanchez or romine, gardner and melancon or/and mcallister lol but your post above about your pick who could trade for him you got me excited for the reds lol stubbs,heisly (sp) cozart and lower guys. Grady would be a monster in yankee stadium some mentioned the bracves but im sure they asked for schafer and others
Two relievers, a fourth outfielder, and a teenaged catching prospect who hasn’t done anything yet is a lot for two years of a superstar? On what planet?
Damn that’s a lot for 2years of sizemore.
And I agree, sizemore>rasmus, but when you factor in sizemore is coming off injury and is making 12M/season, I’d take rasmus who is getting 400k
Well the point of him going to the Cardinals would be for the Indians to demand Rasmus plus others. I would much rather have Sizemore than Rasmus but I think the one team that has a chance to work something out would be the Yankees.
Mark Melancon, Gary Sanchez, Brett Gardner, and Zachary McAllister for Grady Sizemore
My Braves would be a good fit as well, but when he becomes available there will be more teams that would make room for him. It will be a mater of who is willing to give up their top prospects.
Right. Some teams just don’t have room. For example, I wouldn’t expect that the Orioles, Mariners, Twins, Mets (obviously not), Astros, Royals, Tigers, White Sox, Cubs, Pirates, Marlins, or Diamondbacks to hop on just because of the young or untradeable player in the position already. The Braves and Nate McClouth seem excited to have a better season. McClouth isn’t that much worse than Sizemore but he’s not really close to Grady. We’ll see but as I said, I am super excited to discuss and hear potential Sizemore destinations when the time comes.
Nate McClouth would be better suited in left and the Braves need a leadoff hitter.
My favorites to trade for him are the Yankee’s since they are more willing to part with top prospects, and then the Brewers and the giants have the biggest need IMO. I believe that more teams will come out due to injuries or young players not developing as quickly as a team would like and need. Being that Grady could impact a team right away some teams might be willing make trades that they will regret before the trade deadline.
I would love to see the Yankees trade for him as well. I think maybe Nate McClouth could possibly be part of the deal to get him maybe. I just think he would do great on the Yankees especially with the short porch in right and I think the Yankees have enough to get him. Come on Yankees!
But Carl Crawford will be traded before Grady and Indians have the luxury waiting for the offseason or next trade deadline if they don’t get the deal that they like.
Everybody, his name is McLouth. M-c-L-o-u-t-h.
“McClouth isn’t that much worse than Sizemore but he’s not really close to Grady.”
Not really sure what point you were trying to make here, but when healthy, Grady is light years ahead of Nate.
Yankees do not have the top tier prospects that it would take to trade for Sizemore. And Hughes and guys like that are no longer prospects everybody now knows what he’s all about.
The Indians will be looking for at least 3 top tier prospects 2 guys would have to be major league ready stud type guys most likely a FOR Starter type and a powerhitting corner outfielder type.
I would make that bet if I were you. The Yankees would be a good fit.
I’m so excited for the talks of such a trade to come up.
Possibly the Rockies, Giants, Brewers, Cardinals, Reds, or Red Sox would be a good fit as well.
Il bet sizemore is gone come midseason
Dye can DH. It’s not like Travis Hafner showed last year that he deserves the DH spot through 162 games. With Matt LaPorta coming back in late April or May, I don’t think Russell Branyan would be worth it. I think some good fits for the Indians would be
1. Felipe Lopez
2. Jermaine Dye
3. Jarrod Washburn
4. Anybody! This team needs some desperate pitching!!!!!!!!!!!!
When Pronk is making 15M or so, can’t play defense, and has no trade value, I think that pretty much locks him into a spot. Hard to believe this team has a 65M payroll with Lee, CC, and VMart gone.
How funny would it be if this is the year they actually do good and make it back to the playoffs? I’m sure it won’t happen because they have more holes than swiss cheese, but that would be very fitting given how bad they’ve done when people predicted them to win the division.
“more holes then Swiss cheese”
I laughed so hard.
“more holes then Swiss cheese”
I laughed so hard.
Well if hes not productive they shouldn’t play him either way…I bet they could find a team to form a bad-contract swap.
Hafner-Dontrelle Willis?
Dontrelle can’t get A ball hitters out, Hafner is at least useful. Hitters usually have better chances of bouncing back anyway.
Well if hes not productive they shouldn’t play him either way…I bet they could find a team to form a bad-contract swap.
Hafner-Dontrelle Willis?
And just think Westbrooke 11 / Pronk 11.5 / Wood 10 / Sizemore 5.6 / Peralta 4.5 / Carmona 5 / ( 47.5 Mil right there.)
I will be surprised if Wood – Peralta and Westbrooke are with the team after the all star break.
Sizemore will not be dealt this season unless somebody totally overwhelms and totally blows Shapiro with a hugh Bartolo Colon type offer IMO.
When Pronk is making 15M or so, can’t play defense, and has no trade value, I think that pretty much locks him into a spot. Hard to believe this team has a 65M payroll with Lee, CC, and VMart gone.
How funny would it be if this is the year they actually do good and make it back to the playoffs? I’m sure it won’t happen because they have more holes than swiss cheese, but that would be very fitting given how bad they’ve done when people predicted them to win the division.
“Dye can DH. It’s not like Travis Hafner showed last year that he deserves the DH spot”
Hafner hit for a .355 wOBA with a .198 ISO last season. Dye was at .344 wOBA with a .203 ISO. If Hafner isnt good enough for the DH spot on the rebuilding club, then I dont understand how Dye somehow is.
And as far as Dye and the Indians, he would likely be playing Left Field where his defensive shortcomings might actually be limited some. The defensive metrics are often gauged based off the average. Well, the average RF is generally a better fielder then the average LF – the average LF gets pretty close to the ability of a pothole. Dye in left might actually be closer to average then the absolute-trash category he falls into when in Right.
Would create a lineup looking something like
Sizemore (CF)
Cabrera (SS)
Choo (RF)
Dye/Brantley (LF)
Hafner/Brantley(DH)
Peralta (3B)
LaPorta (1B)
Valbuena (2B)
Lasron/Redmond/Santana (C)
doubtful offense would be that teams issue.
“Hafner/Brantley(DH)”
Don’t you mean Hafner/Dye? Why would you DH Brantley and not Dye.
“Hafner hit for a .355 wOBA with a .198 ISO last season. Dye was at .344 wOBA with a .203 ISO.
Exactly.
“Don’t you mean Hafner/Dye? Why would you DH Brantley and not Dye.”
Doubtful Brantley would specifically DH, but both Hafner and Dye would loose ABs to him so his name was put next to both.
“Exactly”
You do realize .355 wOBA and .198 ISO is better then .344 wOBA and .203, right? If given those two numbers and told to pick a DH, you pick Hafner. Over 600 PA, its about a 6 run advantage for Pronk.
Pronk can at least play ‘everyday’ now. He should have a bounce back year. Perhaps not the Pronk of old, but he’ll give something positive. Offense is definitely not the problem, and I know vets are good, but I’d like to see Jordan Brown get his chance to start the year. Lets let the young pitchers get their lumps this year and try to sort it out for next year.
“I’d like to see Jordan Brown get his chance”
I really dont understand why they have never given him a callup even. I understand its unlikely he will ever be a star, but one would think they would have had the chance to at least give him a shot at some playing time and ideally he performs well and possible could be traded to a team in need down the road. Oh well, not my team so dont know their thinking on him.
Why would you put a speedster with little power (Brantley) in the four or five hole? Stick Brantley at the leadoff spot, Sizemore third and move everyone else down a spot. Oh, and switch Marson with Valbuena thereby giving the Indians a lead-off type in the 9th spot.
“Why would you put a speedster with little power (Brantley) in the four or five hole?”
I didnt. I merely put his name next to the players he would take ABs away from.
“Oh, and switch Marson with Valbuena thereby giving the Indians a lead-off type in the 9th spot.”
That I almost did when typing it up. But when I noticed Valbuena was a leftie as well I just moved him up a spot to break up the gigantic string of lefties with only switch hitting Cabrera in the middle. Specifically, I had it at Valbuena 9th, Sizemore, Cabrera, Choo, Hafner, Dye to begin with but then realized that would be 4 LH and one SH in 5 straight spots before the RH Dye. At that point I realized why the team in interested in Dye, they desperately need a Rightie in there.
Either way, it isnt a big deal – the lineup wasnt given as if they must use this configuration, it was an example of about what would be seen.
Dye can DH. It’s not like Travis Hafner showed last year that he deserves the DH spot through 162 games. With Matt LaPorta coming back in late April or May, I don’t think Russell Branyan would be worth it. I think some good fits for the Indians would be
1. Felipe Lopez
2. Jermaine Dye
3. Jarrod Washburn
4. Anybody! This team needs some desperate pitching!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dye turned down a deal with more than 3 million? Is he crazy? He’ll be lucky to get a major league deal
Dye turned down a deal with more than 3 million? Is he crazy? He’ll be lucky to get a major league deal
I wish they would just sign some starting pitching…
I seriously doubt Sizemore would get traded prior to 2011. The Indians hold a $8.5 mil option for 2012 which I’m sure they or anyone else would pick up. If he were to be traded Shapiro would be shot and have his body dragged back and forth acroos East 9th st if he didn’t acquire top of the line talent. No way would Brett Gardner, Zach McAllister and Mark Melancon come close to being the centerpiece of a trade.
I’d rather see the Indians spend their money on Jarod Washburn over Dye. I simply can’t phathom them going into 2010 with Jake Westbrook being their #1 pitcher.
Well the Indians aren’t exactly competing this season. If the Yankees were to trigger a trade as such. It would probably be soon and would certainly have more to it. The Indians just need some way to fix up their rotation without spending on free agents that aren’t even on the market. Maybe Wilkin De La Rosa is in that trade. Maybe Slade Heathcott is in that trade. Maybe Joba or Phil are in that trade. Who knows. But for the Indians to compete soon they need to rebuild which is what they have been continuing to do. Sizemore is their best chance to get some good return products. I’d trade him by July 31st to the Yankees.
I’d rather have Washburn, too. What about Smoltz? He could help mentor the young arms.
I think Joba or Hughes would HAVE to come back in a Sizemore deal, I mean, he’s better than Curtis Granderson so he deserves a better haul. The Yanks will bow out because they won’t trade either of those guys IMO.
What if it was something like Sizemore to the Yankees, McAllister to the Indians. Melancon and Gardner to the Rays. And than Jeff Neimann or a Jeff Neimann type of pitcher to the Indians. The Rays benefit would be that they would be able to use Jeremy Hellickson in the rotation because they would have an opening spot. Or they could trade Andy Sonnanstine. (yeah right)
Why would the Indians trade a positional superstar for a guy who’s probably a fourth starter on a good team?
Hughes or Joba would have to come back in a trade for Sizemore, and he likely isn’t getting traded this year considering he’s still got control for the next 3 seasons and considering Sizemore’s talent, it’s at a great price. Simple as that. No way a “Melancon, McCallister, Sanchez Gardner package gets that done”.
And really, what team wouldn’t want Sizemore? The Yankees fit, but so does about every team in baseball. Even if your outfield is clogged, you make room for a player like Sizemore.
He is under control for 2 years with a club option, but if he were to be traded, the club option becomes a player, so that’s 2 years of control-not 3.
OK, but he is still on the Indians, so it is still 3 years of player control to the Indians, which is extremely valuable.
I say if we trade sizemore make the team who gets him take hafners contract too
I hope you’re kidding with the Melancon, McCallister, Sanchez and Gardner package. Maybe they’ll ask for Montero, but pretty sure one of Hughes/Joba will go to the Indians.
as a die hard wsox fan im sad to see dye ot get a good deal…after watching literally ever game for the past 4 years his defence is not that bad and his bat usually makes up for it…i understand the wsox moving on past him(love the team right now) but he deserves deal. Damon also..a beast last season pretty solid left handed bat for high in the line up would work as a DH and part time out fielder still has no contract? I know people (including my self) hate boras but still the guy can rake…i hope the wsox pick him up on the cheap with a huge incentive laden deal….AS for all this talk about sizemore…If he is under full control for 2 yrs plus a team option for the 3rd year thats STILL 3 yrs of protection for the indians to correct that guy who said he is only under controll for 2 yrs….and Sizemore is one of the best Cf’s in the game..gold glover…30 hr guy 30 sb guy high average literally a 5 tool player.. If a deal with the yanks were to happen(probably wont…stop assuming the yanks will get everyone) it will have to include gardner+hughes/ joba(I would rather have hughes) +2-3 close to major league ready prospects..HE WONT GET TRADED this year…it does not make sense…his contract is very very good for the next few yrs considering his talent
If you are a GM and you have a sure fire all start CF gold glove talent an one of the better over all hitters in the game who can steal 30+ bases under your control for at the very least 2 more season plus a possible 3rd WHy would you trade him early? He wont get traded unless the deal blows them away. So he wont get traded untill the year of his option which the indians will pick up the possible trade him before the dead line of that deal
yea and? they had a very cheap option on cliff lee and v mart and still traded them so whats your point?
But they only had that half year + the one year option on those guys. They have two years + and option (and all cheap) for Sizemore, that is why you don’t trade him yet.
Exactly. The third year is a club option if he remains. This means that he is at his peak trade value right now because the third year option becomes a player option if traded. The farm would be huge for sure. Combine the hauls of Lee, VMart, and Sizemore?! That’s ridiculous! Might as well trade and commit to the complete rebuild process.
Sizemore is the face of the Indians. If they traded him it would be a total slap in the face to their fans.
The Indians would be committing a public relations suicide by even considering trading Grady Sizemore. He’s under contract at what should be considered reasonable salary for the next two years and the team has a club option for the 2012 season. The Indians may consider the cost of losing Grady much too high of a price..as they should. The trade scenarios with the Cardinals or Yankees may have merit, however, it’s highly unlikely the Indians make those deals.. Grady is more likely to stay until at least the middle of the 2012 season. If the current build toward a “window of opportunity” shows itself, either in 2011 and/or 2012, Grady will be a big part of it on the North Coast
Dolan and Shapiro don’t care about you the baseball fan. And I can’t believe that there are so many fans still out there that can’t see that .
It’s about the Biz of baseball , so take off the rose colored glasses and open your eyes.
Lets face the facts the only way the Tribe is going to contend at all is it there is alot of Angels In The Outfield action going on at Progressive Field in 2010.
Sounds like you are suffering from that most terminal of diseases: Certainty. The Tribe may very well have a miserable 2010 but with so many young players and players who may rebound and uninspiring competition in the A.L. Central… well, who knows.
I think its the Florida Marlins syndrome that affects so many. The “I dont know these guys, so they must be bad” thing. But Florida has proven on multiple occasions that a bunch of guys you have never heard of can actually produce a really strong team from time to time.
If they (Shapiro & the Dolans) didn’t care, why are they spending a paltry $ 65 MM on the team in 2010?.. The weak minded are always being poisoned and led to their doom. Keep believing that and I’m sure you’ll soon become a NYY fan.. you fit their mold.. stupid and easily led….
I rather see the Tribe. Pick up Anderson to a 1 yr deal or WillyTavaras Give Brantley time to develop in case Sizemore is gone at the ALL-Star Break. Sign DYE to DH and replace Choo when he needs a day off. You have Austin Kearns to place 1st Base. To LaPorta gets healthy. And find a second basemen.
Branyan had his chance.