The Mets signed left fielder Jason Bay to a four-year, $66MM deal with a vesting option for 2014 that could bring the total to $80MM over five years. The backloaded deal contains a $17MM option for '14 that vests if Bay reaches 600 plate appearances in 2013 or 500 in both 2012 and 2013. The deal also has a full no-trade clause. In additional to a supplemental draft pick, the Red Sox will receive the Mets' second-round pick (currently #53 overall). Bay turned down a four-year, $60MM offer from the Red Sox during the summer; SI's Jon Heyman tweets that they eventually lowered their offer to three years.
One week ago, WFAN's Mike Francesa first reported that the Mets would announce a Bay signing pending a physical. MetsBlog's Matthew Cerrone pegged the value of the deal, with Joel Sherman of the New York Post first mentioning the vesting option and Ed Price of AOL FanHouse contributing as well. The AP added more contract details today. SNY's Brad Como tweeted yesterday that Bay passed his physical.
The Mets are far from done this offseason, but many of the initial reactions to the Bay signing talked about their stronger need for starting pitching. The other concern is Bay's defense, which rates poorly under advanced metrics.
Good news for the Mets. Now they need a first baseman and some pitching.
I agree…
but my question is this…
Can Bay play First Base?
I would like to know if there has been anyone in the baseball know hearing that Bay might play 1st Base?
If he can the Mets may have a lot more options thaan previously thought. If they can sign two starting pitchers it would allow them to trade John Maine for Corey Hart which would make for a much more solid defensive OF. I know this may be outside the box but I was wondering if the Mets who have talked about wanting to focus on speed and defense would take such a massive detour as signing Bay to play LF.
That is creative thinking, however Bay does not logged any time at 1B since he hit the majors. So the idea to put him at 1B would be another “project,” which takes time (and no guarantees).
As for Corey Hart, that subject came up a few months ago. I wasn’t sure I’d want to see him in the outfields of Flushing then…and I am not sure now. Anyway, why Hart? Do the Brewers have a “thing” for Maine?
Yeah, the Brewers offered Hart for Maine back in December. Hart is a solid defender who has some speed. He can be a 20/20 guy and hit .260ish. I think he would be a good fit for the Mets if they can sign 2 pitchers which would make Maine expendable.
Wow, that’s right – they did! Duh! (but then who remembers everything?!). Well, I could definitely live without Maine (as all Mets fans must each season, and for a good chunk of time) but as it is the team is having a hard enough time finding ONE pitcher, so that’s a very big “if.”Anyway, I like the lines of your thinking because whether it’s realistic or not, I live to see really tight “D” at just about every position!
Good idea. Bay has all the mobility of a telephone pole.
Good news for the Mets. Now they need a first baseman and some pitching.
This is huge news for the Cardinals. Now that Bay has OFFICIALLY signed, this eliminates the Mets from the Holliday chase. I was afraid that Bay would fail his physical and that they would make some crazy push for Holliday, but I’m glad that that is not the case
because superstars fail physicals all the time, right?
So being a superstar means you cant have a huge lingering injury?
This is huge news for the Cardinals. Now that Bay has OFFICIALLY signed, this eliminates the Mets from the Holliday chase. I was afraid that Bay would fail his physical and that they would make some crazy push for Holliday, but I’m glad that that is not the case
Sitting on the dock of the Bay…
Sitting on the dock of the Bay…
Pitching is going to be an issue for them I’d think, but given that park and Santana to eat innings they should be ok. I wouldn’t pay the money for Pineiro, but I think Escobar was a great find.
Escobar isn’t going to start
Escobar is now a reliever, so he doesnt help their rotation situation
I hear you about Piñeiro. I wouldn’t pay for him either (not without Dave Duncan thrown in). Also, you could be right about Escobar but remember, he’ll be in the bullpen – not the rotation.
Barring some miraculous transaction, I’d say the Mets’ rotation is in biiiiiig trouble this season. Again. ☹
Pitching is going to be an issue for them I’d think, but given that park and Santana to eat innings they should be ok. I wouldn’t pay the money for Pineiro, but I think Escobar was a great find.
This will end up being a very bad deal. Bay will have a ton of trouble playing (both offensively and defensively) at Citi Field. I pity Carlos Beltran. At his age he is going to have a lot of trouble covering the field that Francoeur and Bay cannot. The Mets love to throw away money on overrated players.
This will end up being a very bad deal. Bay will have a ton of trouble playing (both offensively and defensively) at Citi Field. I pity Carlos Beltran. At his age he is going to have a lot of trouble covering the field that Francoeur and Bay cannot. The Mets love to throw away money on overrated players.
I hope the Bay signing has taken us out of the “race” to sign Molina.
amen
It’s almost silly that the Mets are in on two “races” for players that seemingly have zero interest from the other 29 clubs – yet are still taking forever to actually get the deals done.
The Mets need pitching…I still don’t see them threating for the Wild Card much less the division without someone capable behind Johan.
i don’t think citi would be an issue for bay…
Question from a reporter: Jason, Is it tough to leave perennial contender for a team who won’t compete for the next couple of years for about the same money?
Eh, they can compete next year if they get a reliable #2 or #3 pitcher, realize Murphy is basically a 25th man and NOT a starting first baseman… and fire Minaya.
There’s no # 2-3 starting pitcher outthere and Minaya was napping on the switch when Boston signed Lackey. I agree about Minaya. The Mets need a creative GM with a clear vision. Minaya was bad in Montreal and he’s definitely worst in NY…
Signing Lackey would’ve been one of the stupidest things Minaya could have done. Stupider than signing Bay, even with that vesting option trigger.
Platoon Murphy and Pagan in RF, can Francoeur, get a real 1B, get some solid SP help, and banish Ollie to mop up duty.
I agree about Ollie but there is no way on earth the Mets could put Murphy in RF, unless it’s to mow the lawn. He tried hard but the guy was an absolute blooper reel in LF last year, which is why they pulled him and put him on 1B. Believe me, if he leaves that position it will be to sit on the bench or head back to Binghamton.
Sheets makes sense… could potentially pitch like a #2. But for some reason I see Minaya signing Washburn.
Sheets makes too much sense for the Mets. If I were Mets fan, I’d take a Louisville Slugger to Minaya if he didn’t come out with Sheets and Pineiro this offseason. You can always move Maine to the pen, where’s better suited, or trade him for Corey Hart, as previously mentioned in this thread.
It wasnt the same money. 65m compared to 80m due to his easily triggered 5th year option. And Mets are not years away from contention, lets be serious- if they add a SP and stay healthy (important to every team) they probably have the best shot at the WC
Not with the Phillies as a road block… Jason Bay will help them but there’s no way the Mets are a better destination then Boston for a player… if he want to win. The Mets will not perform well under Minaya. I’m still surprise that this guy still have his job…
1. I said WC = Wild Card, not NL East.
2. I didnt say Mets were better destination for the playoffs, i said they were not years away from contention like you stated. And how are the Sox a lock for the playoffs? Yankees and Rays in their own division, Seattle will probably win West, so add Texas into the WC hunt and the Angels too.
3. “The Mets will not perform well under Minaya.” How many times have we heard this type of statement? Yankees will never win with ARod, CC will never perform in the playoffs, etc.
Well, how many playoffs appearnce the team made under Minaya? One? Since 2000, the Mets were in the playoffs twice. That’s what i call an epic failure for a big market team. When i look at Boston’s lineup versus the Mets lineup, i’m gonna pick the Redsox since they had ( since 2000 ) 7 seasons of 90+ wins. In the same period, the Mets had one season of 90 + wins…
Ok, why are you looking 7 years into the past to determine who is going to make the playoffs this year? Look at the teams and transactions and who got better and who didnt this year.
Again, I dont care about the whole MInaway thing- it’s the GMs fault that the players choked 2 years in a row? How many times did fans say Arod choked in the playoffs and that he would never get a ring? Exactly, so lets not use “never” “always” “impossible” etc when we talk about situations
The past is a good indicator of the future… If a team manage to win 90 + games, 70% percent of the time, it’s because they have a strong organisation ( scouts, coachs and GM ). Aside the last playoffs, A-Rod was an overpaid choke artist and the stats are there to prove it so…
“The past is a good indicator of the future”
If you just look at the past and fail to pay attention to trades/signings/etc of other teams then it’s not a good indicator of the future; if you think the Mets will miss the playoffs simply because they’re the Mets then this discussion is a waste of time.
The past was a good indicator for the Rays success in 2008 right?
Ok
1. Learn correct grammar. Please.
2. Who gives a crap about the last 7 years?
3. Although I agree that he’s not a good GM, how does Minaya have anything to do with the individual performance of his players? Do you think Minaya purposely had Matt Cain hit David Wright in the head? Do you think he purposely made the dugout steps slippery so that Castillo would fall?
4. Why are you comparing the Mets to the Sox? The original post said the Mets had a legit shot at the WILDCARD, and you go on some rant about how they won’t because the Phillies are too good and then you start talking about Boston. If you’re gonna try to argue a completely valid point, please use relevant information and arguments.
i’m not sure if that 5th year option is that easy to “trigger”. puddle, i mean bay, will need to get 140 games per season. 1 strained hammy will dl jagoff, er, i mean jason for a month – 25 games – good bye 5th year. for this, he left the sawx? josh could be the greatest player of all time, but the second the mets signed him to a big multi year fa contract he sucked. the only thing the mets are consistant at is making the wrong fa signings. didn’t frank sinatra sing a song about minaya- if you can’t make it in montreal you can make it in new york?
No, it says he will probably have to AVERAGE 140, not play 140 every season.
i’m not sure if that 5th year option is that easy to “trigger”. puddle, i mean bay, will need to get 140 games per season. 1 strained hammy will dl jagoff, er, i mean jason for a month – 25 games – good bye 5th year. for this, he left the sawx? josh could be the greatest player of all time, but the second the mets signed him to a big multi year fa contract he sucked. the only thing the mets are consistant at is making the wrong fa signings. didn’t frank sinatra sing a song about minaya- if you can’t make it in montreal you can make it in new york?
Mets are a competitive team. we was in first untill all the injuries. we was in first the year before before Wagner got hurt. Mets are a competitive team. they need a #2 and they can win the NL. Boston on the other hand, lost 30-35hr, 100-120 rbi’s and replaced him with a 37 yr old .230 hitter with 20hr (15 solo hr) and 60-70rbi’s. Lackey is good but if you think Bay is overpaid, wait two yrs for Lackey. Next yr probably 4+ ERA going against Yankee lineup. The Yankees have that division for the next couple yrs easy. Boston only hope is wildcard for the next, at least, 5yrs. and it won’t all be them. especially with Mike Cameron solo hrs.
The Mets might be ” competitive ” but they doesn’t seems to know how to ” win “. I remember Mets’s epic failure when they had that HUGE lead in the NL East only to drop the ” ball ” in the end… Bay will help them but they need pitching, first and foremost. Cameron? He can’t replace Bay and that’s not his role. The Sox have set a tag price on Bay and they had their reasons for doing so. You and I doesn’t know all the ” X ” and ” O ” of this negotiation but i assume that the Sox had a major reason to let go a 100 RBI guy… Lackey? He’s overpaid for sure like any top of the rotation pitcher who hit the market. That’s the way the market work in these days. Lackey is not a ” power ” pitcher like Beckett and i like his chance to be successfull for the first 3 years of his contract. For the rest, we will have to wait and see. You says that Lackey will have a ERA of 4 against the Yankees… Aside Doc Halladay who OWN the Yankees, there’s not a lot of pitchers he will not have an ERA of 4 against an offensive lineup like the Yankees have. Boston’ offense will probably rank between 5-10 at the top of the league and with their improve defense, they should be just fine… Wildcard? There’s nothing wrong to be in the playoffs as a Wildcard. The goal is to get there….
your original question was is it tuff to leave boston for a team that won’t compete, the mets. then your reply says the Mets can compete but not win. 99% of teams didn’t win. What I’m saying is the Mets can compete. Even when they didn’t make the playoffs, they were not horrible teams until lasy yr due to injuries. you want to go by the hype the media created to say the Mets can’t compete and win.
I mean Lackey might have an ERA over 4+. not just to the yankees but for the yr. yankees will be one reason for that. I agree some times you have to overpay to get someone like Lackey. that the same reason Mets offered a bit more. what Boston might know about Bay 100rbi and not offer him more money is the same reason Angels didn’t bid hard on Lackey. In fact, they got Kazmir to be his replacement during the season. Lackey numbers have been creeping up, while Bay is in his prime. Wts, I think Boston may be OK but don’t be suprised if next yr, the media is talking about Boston the way they talk about the Mets. Mike Cameron 37yr old defense will not make up for his 37yr old offense.
Why are you knocking Mike Cameron based on “solo” home runs? It isn’t his fault if guys couldn’t get on base ahead of him. Boston is MUCH better off with Mike Cameron who makes less money, plays A+ defense, can steal bases AND can hit home runs.
And the Mets won’t be competitive until they find a replacement for Francoeur AND get a couple of decent starting pitchers.
wrong. when people were on base his .230avg come to bat. his hr only came when no-one is on base or when we are losing by more then 3 runs. the most he had was 30 in 2004 and only had 76 rbi’s. He defense is better then average but not that much better as you think. His glove reputation makes him better then he is. He can’t get on base to steal. 7SB last yr, 17 the yr before that. yeah he is a great base stealing threat. He is better then Bay, hahaha. there is a reason Mike makes less and is available every offseason.
Last three seasons
Cameron overall – .245/.334/.452/.786
Cameron MenOn – .255/.362/.446/.808
As you can see, he has hit better with men on then the bases empty the last three seasons.
Last three seasons
Cameron overall – .245/.334/.452/.786
Cameron MenOn – .255/.362/.446/.808
As you can see, he has hit better with men on then the bases empty the last three seasons.
Really …
The last two years Cameron has racked up a UZR/150 rating of 11.3 and 10.0 while playing CF. That’s exceptional. Good for 14th for all OF’ers in baseball last year. And many of those names above him simply shouldn’t be there. Small sample sizes showed artificially high results. It’s not a stretch to suggest that Cameron is a top 10 defensive outfielder. Now, he gets to play in LF, in Boston, with Ellsbury next to him in CF. That outfield defense is going to be crazy good (assuming that 2009 was an aberration for Ellsbury).
Really …
The last two years Cameron has racked up a UZR/150 rating of 11.3 and 10.0 while playing CF. That’s exceptional. Good for 14th for all OF’ers in baseball last year. And many of those names above him simply shouldn’t be there. Small sample sizes showed artificially high results. It’s not a stretch to suggest that Cameron is a top 10 defensive outfielder. Now, he gets to play in LF, in Boston, with Ellsbury next to him in CF. That outfield defense is going to be crazy good (assuming that 2009 was an aberration for Ellsbury).
25 homers 80 RBI max. If he stays healthy.
If he is batting behind Reyes, Wright, and Beltran all season, he will easily drive in over 100 runs
Craig, why do you think that a player who had 119 RBI last season and who has had a significant of RBI’s throughout his career, even with the Pirates, will suddenly just die off hitting behind Reyes, Beltran and Wright? And that’s a high end estimate? You my friend need to check up on your baseball knowledge.
The dimensions of Fenway had a huge impact on Bay’s power numbers (boston.redsox.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitt…), yes batting behind healthy Mets top of the order he will probably knock in 100+ runs, but i don’t see the same HR numbers. And, obviously the keyword is healthy, bit of an unknown with the Mets at the moment. Bay isn’t the last piece of the jigsaw but i doubt it will play out as badly as people expect (at least next year, the 5th year… not so much).
u know as soon as the world series was over the Mets had 14-1 to win the world series in Vegas. So prior to any aquisitions the Mets were among the top 6 teams in baseball to bet on to take it all. I’m just saying I’m glad someone realizes how good that team could have been over the last 3 if not for 2 september collapses and decimating injuries. As for Bay and ur stupid link are u factoring in how high you have to hit the ball and how many line drives that green monster turns into doubles.
14-1? Top 6? I’m calling BS on this one….I’m a betting guy and I wouldn’t take the Mets at 14-1 to win the division.
I apolagize….just looked it up and they are 20-1 right now…That doesn’t show that Vegas has faith in them though, that shows that Vegas has faith people will bet on them at the number
Stupid… yeah, at least i can locate the ‘y’ key on my keyboard. Anyway, if you looked at the dimensions of Sh… Citifield, compared to Fenway, its bigger, by quite a bit. Plenty of Bay’s HR in Fenway were high popflys, those won’t be doubles in Citi, they will be OUTS.
he may not hit as many HR but he will hit way more doubles
Citi field is an abomination. Wright’s production fell precipitously. Reyes will never be baseball healthy again. Beltran is unmotivated. Bay is fragile. He may play 130 games. You need to take off your rose colored glasses and see reality. The Mets got fleeced. It’s like a broken record. Bay is George Foster all over again.
Citi field is nothing like Fenway park. You’re delusional if you think Bay will drive in 100 runs.
Citi Field has only been open 1 year…
Oh I’m sorry that Citi Field somehow contributed to all the injuries. Please don’t tell me that Wright’s decrease in productivity had nothing to do with the millions of injuries to the team. Opponents had no significant trouble hitting at Citi Field. So it was the 9th best pitchers park in baseball. 9th best still should yield plenty of HR. As for your comments about Reyes and Beltran, although I am a Mets fan and I am slightly biased, I try to be honest when I write things like this. So you’re saying that a young guy, 25 or 26 years old I believe, with a hamstring which was surgically repaired, will never be healthy again? And you’re saying that Beltran is “unmotivated”. What the heck are you talking about? Why is he unmotivated?
Wright’s production fell off because he didnt have anyone on in front of him enough of the times. He was pressing to hit more home runs and instead ended up hitting the most line drives of his career. Also factor in the fact he didn’t have any protection and it may explain why he didnt get 100 rbi’s. Yet his doubles and avg were still pretty good, his OBP didnt suffer much at .390 with 20 less walks and nearly 60 less at bats than his avg over the last 4 years. We will see what happens but ppl who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones because ur arguments will have someone like me leaving you behind to pick up the pieces and show u that what u say is an opinion not fact.
you are talking the same citi field were LUIS CASTILLO hit a homer right!!!????
Are the philly fans in denial here the mets will get another start and we’ve loaded up the pen we’ve added much needed hitting and we gave away the division. Philly has one legitamite starter Hamels is a nut job as was Meyers why dont you bring back adam eaton or trade halladay for King Felix. All the phillies did was rotate the same type players or got back worse players than they had last year. Way to go Philly!!!!!
I don’t like the Phillies… but I still think they’re going to be a much better team than the Mets next year even if the Mets add a number 2 pitcher. You’re talking trash about the Phils pitching despite the fact after Santana the Mets have Mike Pelfrey’s fabulous 1.51 WHIP and wonderfully dominate 5.22 K/9, the perpetually injured John Maine, Oliver Perez who’s career walk rate makes opponent’s happy to see him, and the option for the 5th spot is basically a list of kids who have yet to have a full year starting in the majors. So yeah… I’d take the ace, the headcase, Blanton, the overrated rookie, and the guy who should be in the geriatrics ward over what the Mets have right now.
Mike Francesa of WFAN is teasing more nShawn.
Sad but true… If you combined the rotations of the Mets and Phillies, Johan would be the 1/2 and MAYBE Pelf is the 5. Ollie, Maine, and ? don’t make the cut.
one year of Cliff Lee or 4 Years of Halladay i think i take the 4 years of Halladay. As far Hamels, he has one off year and your ready to burn him at the stake. Now if he comes out and stays the same way than yes you are correct but do not compare a career over 4+ ERA to a pitcher who has a 3.5 ERA. I would take Hamels over the crap that the mets will be pitching behind Johan.
Erm…you “loaded up the pen” last year as well if you recall.
If, as you say, the Phils have “one legitimate starter” (FTFY), where are the Mets? The guy on the Phils that LOST his rotation spot last season (Moyer) put up BETTER NUMBERS than Pelfrey, Maine, or Perez. Maine I suppose you can attribute to injury…but injury is what Maine does best so, the point is still valid.
The Phillies desperately needed a low-K, high avg guy to replace rally-killer Pedro Feliz. Polanco fit that bill better than Beltre, which is why they got him.
The Mets will be better, but seriously man…the team still has a massive amount of question marks and will need everything to go PERFECTLY to challenge Philly for the division. Much more likely they’re fighting ATL for 2nd and a Wildcard berth.
Money in the bank. Sign one more pitcher and the Mets might be legit contenders. My only fear is that they resign Delgado. I know that a lot of people like him but he’s old. I think the Mets need to put Murphy at 1st to start the year and then work Ike Davis into the mix. Either that or maybe sign Adam LaRoche to a 1 or 2 year deal
LaRoche would be a plus. Murphy doesn’t have the pop to be a legit 1st baseman.
I saw Delgado playing yesterday and he looks in good shape altough he was dh and goes 4-1, 2 gems prevent him from a hit and a double
eh i still dont trust him
I do believe Carlos has still some baseball in him. Yet, seems the AL is a better fit for him now.
But what if he comes back to Flushing? I’ve been wondering for a while about the Mets options. Is it bizarre to think about this scenario? The Mets need pitching and a way to add stability to the infield. How about trading one of our catcher prospects + other prospects for discounted value Mike Lowell and any of the pitchers in the Red Sox surplus rotation. Lowell at 3MM would be a great value, even for damaged goods. Land Delgado on incentives and you have Delgado on 1st, with Mike taking over when lefties are penciled in. Plus you can give Wright a day or two free to ease him back in to shape.
On July 4th the Mets had played 80 games and were in a tie with Atlanta for 4th place and still only 3 games behind the Phillies. How are the Phillies so incredible and formidable to say they are a lock for anything. By July 4th Delgado had only played 24 games Jose Reyes had played 36, Beltran 61, Perez had made 5 starts and was injured in those starts, Maine made his last start June 6…so please someone please explain how the Phillies are running away with anything.
1. July 4th is prior to the Phils having an ace. They have one all year now.
2. Polanco fits what the Phils need on offense far better than Feliz ever did.
3. No one has any clue who Reyes will be now…a guy whose entire game is based off speed coming back from a TORN HAMSTRING.
4. Even if the Mets sign a #2 starter, they’ll still be sending out three guys (Pelfrey, Maine, Perez) who were WORSE than the guy who LOST his rotation spot in Philly.
5. No one said the Phils will run away with the Divison, but they’re still the most talented team, with the best track record in the Division, coming off two WS runs…why WOULDN’T they be favored to do it again?…and they’re better now than they were last year. The Mets have shown an incredible ability to fold under pressure, have huge question marks at multiple positions, and are counting on multiple guys to get back to best-of-career form.
Those are a few, but there are plenty more reasons no one thinks the Mets are a big threat for the Division.
1. July 4th is prior to the Phils having an ace. They have one all year now.
2. Polanco fits what the Phils need on offense far better than Feliz ever did.
3. No one has any clue who Reyes will be now…a guy whose entire game is based off speed coming back from a TORN HAMSTRING.
4. Even if the Mets sign a #2 starter, they’ll still be sending out three guys (Pelfrey, Maine, Perez) who were WORSE than the guy who LOST his rotation spot in Philly.
5. No one said the Phils will run away with the Divison, but they’re still the most talented team, with the best track record in the Division, coming off two WS runs…why WOULDN’T they be favored to do it again?…and they’re better now than they were last year. The Mets have shown an incredible ability to fold under pressure, have huge question marks at multiple positions, and are counting on multiple guys to get back to best-of-career form.
Those are a few, but there are plenty more reasons no one thinks the Mets are a big threat for the Division.
Aside from the option year….Isn’t this deal (4 years @65 million) the same offer the Red Socks made earlier in the year? ……anybody know?
If you knew anything, Fenway did absolutely nothing to improve Bay’s numbers. The park doesn’t help a pull hitter who hits no-doubters over the green monster. What actually made his numbers better was the protection he had in the Boston lineup. If he’s surrounded by Reyes, Wright and Beltran, he’ll have no trouble hitting homers to left field in Citi.
People, please, please stop being parrots. Citi is a middle of the pack park on the pitcher’s park/hitter’s park spectrum. If you did only a tiny bit of research, you’d know that. The reason the Mets didn’t hit many dingers is because Wright was the only home run hitter with no legit protection. He’s a fantastic player, but he’s not going to hold the fort single-handedly. He’s not Pujols.
Umm, you’re basically arguing that Wright had a third of the number of homers last season than in the previous 2 seasons simply because he lacked protection? Yeah, not buying that one. For the record, Miguel Olivo and Billy Butler both had over 20 homers for the awful hitting Royals. Branyan and Lopez had 31 and 25 homers respectively. Garret Jones had 21 in only 314 ABs for the perpetually powerless Pirates…
I’m not arguing the park killed Wright’s numbers, but you’re kidding yourself if you think it was loss of support.
I tend to agree. He really seemed to have something going on in his head, but it didn’t necessarily start last season. Hopefully he’ll figure himself out.
It might actually hold a little bit of weight.Both Reyes and Delgado were gone by/around 5/20. Beltran was out of the lineup 6/20 for the long run.Well up to May 20th Wright hit .362/.461/.544/1.004. He hit .316/.387/.429/.816 after the removal of Delgado and Reyes up until Beltran was removed on June 20th. And then .274/.353/.403/.755 the rest of the way without the three of them.
It might actually hold a little bit of weight.Both Reyes and Delgado were gone by/around 5/20. Beltran was out of the lineup 6/20 for the long run.Well up to May 20th Wright hit .362/.461/.544/1.004. He hit .316/.387/.429/.816 after the removal of Delgado and Reyes up until Beltran was removed on June 20th. And then .274/.353/.403/.755 the rest of the way without the three of them.
Aside from the option year….Isn’t this deal (4 years @65 million) the same offer the Red Socks made earlier in the year? ……anybody know?
They offered 4yr/$60mil…no options
Interesting thought of resigning Delgado:
SS Reyes
2B Castillo
CF Beltran
LF Bay
3B Wright
1B Delgado
RF Francouer
C Molina
Looks pretty deadly.
If Reyes is healthy, if Beltran is healthy, if Wright can hit more than 10 hrs, if Delgado is recovered, if Bay blocks out all the talk about Citi. And the last 2 guys will be lucky to have OBP over .310; still a pretty good NL lineup, I wouldnt call it deadly though- too many question marks.
Could someone please explain to me how this is a “backloaded” deal? The contract breakdown by the AP has an $8.5M signing bonus to be paid as soon as MLB approves it, plus a $6.5M salary for year 1 (making his total earnings $15M for year 1), and the 3 seasons at $16M (hardly a significant pay increase). This just doesn’t seem like the “heavily backloaded” contract that was being discussed earlier.
“In additional to a supplemental draft pick, the Red Sox will receive the Mets’ second-round pick (currently #53 overall).”
Ugh..you have the difference between the Red sox and Mets right there. I can almost bet that the Red sox will find a player as good or better than Bay with either their Sup or #53 pick & the Mets will be left hoping that Bay will be the player the Red sox had.
The Mets will seriously regret this deal when Bay will be 34/35 and making 16/17 mil with his declining bat and horrendous D, but I guess it’s win now for minaya eh?..
“I can almost bet that the Red sox will find a player as good or better than Bay with either their Sup or #53 pick ”
Come on, that’s a ridiculous statement.
Why exactly is that ridiculous? All bay really has is hitting ability which is really nullified by his awful fielding.
Throw in his knee/shoulder history and you have a recipe for disaster.
When I said that
“”I can almost bet that the Red sox will find a player as good or better than Bay with either their Sup or #53 pick “”
I didn’t mean right away, but with how good the Red sox scout and draft I’d be surprised if they didn’t find a player in the first 2 rounds that can equal or better bay’s overall game.
Yeah his shoulder/knee has limited him to only 151 and 155 games since his knee issue in 2007. His defense did not nullify his offense, he is still a valuable player; not 5 years from now, but you run that risk with every long contract- like signing a 31 year old SP with an elbow injury 2 years in a row to a 5 year deal.
It is ridiculous that you’re claiming that you can almost guarantee Sox will find an all star player with a career OPS of 895 with their draft pick.
I would have 0 problems wagering that that those 2 picks are going to have more usefulness than Bay is through the life of his contract on the Mets.
“Believe it or not, the Red Sox whiff on draft picks just like everyone else.”
Never said they didn’t.
But
With the amount of picks they have currently this year their system will be stacked.
I love how u completely avoided this point…
“but you run that risk with every long contract- like signing a 31 year old SP with an elbow injury 2 years in a row to a 5 year deal….”
he was talking about John Lackey…who u had to give up a 1st round draft pick for as well…
That is not a smart statement. Even the best drafting teams would be ecstatic to find a player as good as Jason Bay. Believe it or not, the Red Sox whiff on draft picks just like everyone else.
That is not a smart statement. Even the best drafting teams would be ecstatic to find a player as good as Jason Bay. Believe it or not, the Red Sox whiff on draft picks just like everyone else.
When Bay will be 34/35, it will be the tail end of his contract. I seriously doubt anyone will regret that contract if he provides at least 3 out of 4 good years.
No team that signs someone 30+ to a long multi-year contract can reasonably expect that player to perform well at the tail end. It rarely happens. Even if the player signed is younger, you rarely get him performing well in every year of a multi-year deal.
So I think you will be sorely disappointed when Jason Bay’s contract turns out to be a good one.
When Bay will be 34/35, it will be the tail end of his contract. I seriously doubt anyone will regret that contract if he provides at least 3 out of 4 good years.
No team that signs someone 30+ to a long multi-year contract can reasonably expect that player to perform well at the tail end. It rarely happens. Even if the player signed is younger, you rarely get him performing well in every year of a multi-year deal.
So I think you will be sorely disappointed when Jason Bay’s contract turns out to be a good one.
Reyes
Castillo
Beltran
Wright
Bay
Delgado
Murphy
Molina or whoever they sign
Pitcher
Not a bad lineup when all is said and done….with some pitching they can definitely compete
My friend, this lineup can’t make sense. You put Delgado in the 6 hole and Murphy right after him, but both play 1B. If you want to represent them both in the same lineup it would have to be in a platoon. Also you forgot Jeff Francoeur in RF…although hey, in a way I can’t blame you! 😉
Reyes
Castillo
Beltran
Wright
Bay
Delgado
Murphy
Molina or whoever they sign
Pitcher
Not a bad lineup when all is said and done….with some pitching they can definitely compete
The mets to do list…..
1.) Sign Jason Bay (Check)
2.) Sign Bengie Molina
3.) Sign Pinero, bedard and sheets and Trade Maine, Ollie and even Pelfery for prospects that we lost in that putz trade
4.)At least make an attempt to holliday. If not try to aquire Adrian Gonzalez
5.) Get Washburn so the mets can have this as their starting rotation
1.) Johan Santana
2.) Ben Sheets
3.) Erik Bedard
4.) Jarrod Washburn
5.) Joel Piniero
That is unrealistic. Bengie signing seems likely, Mets can probably get one of the 4 pitchers you mentioned. If we stretch maaaybe 2. Holiday is definitly not happening nw that we have Bay. Arian Gonzalez: Dont even get started. And Pelfrey and Maine is possible getting traded, but Ollie is stuck in NY for next 2 years.
The mets to do list…..
1.) Sign Jason Bay (Check)
2.) Sign Bengie Molina
3.) Sign Pinero, bedard and sheets and Trade Maine, Ollie and even Pelfery for prospects that we lost in that putz trade
4.)At least make an attempt to holliday. If not try to aquire Adrian Gonzalez
5.) Get Washburn so the mets can have this as their starting rotation
1.) Johan Santana
2.) Ben Sheets
3.) Erik Bedard
4.) Jarrod Washburn
5.) Joel Piniero
For a guy that just signed a 60mil+ contract, Jason Bay looked and sounded bummed/disappointed…
I’m not trying to rile up met fans or anything, but if you watch or listen to jason bay interviews of the past, he usually sounds much happier, lively, etc…
maybe it’s just relief that has set in now that this FA ordeal is over