Star Mariners right-hander George Kirby has been shut down from throwing due to shoulder inflammation and will very likely open the 2025 season on the 15-day injured list, general manager Justin Hollander announced to the team’s beat today (video link via Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times). There’s no structural damage at play, and Hollander made clear that Kirby felt he could continue pitching, but the team is understandably taking a cautious approach with such an important member of the pitching staff. Said Hollander:
“George Kirby has not been feeling great after his outings. In the outings, he’s throwing the ball well — same velocity as you would expect. He just hasn’t felt like he’s bouncing back great. We did an MRI — MRI looks great. No structural concerns whatsoever, and I will repeat that: zero structural concerns. There is some inflammation in there that we need to get out, so much to George’s chagrin, we are going to take the ball out of his hands. … This is more like a week-to-week thing than a day-to-day thing. We just want to make sure we’re doing the right thing for the big picture of the whole season as opposed to worrying about Opening Day.”
Hollander didn’t paint the issue as one that would require a long-term absence, but it’s nevertheless a cause for concern and a blow to the team’s short-term outlook. Kirby, the 20th overall pick in the 2019 draft, made his big league debut in 2022 and immediately cemented himself as one of the sport’s most promising young pitchers. The now-27-year-old righty has pitched 511 2/3 innings in the major and turned in a 3.43 ERA with a solid 23.3% strikeout rate and a minuscule 3.1% walk rate. He has arguably the best command of any pitcher in MLB and has parlayed that into an All-Star appearance and a top-10 Cy Young finish in his young career.
Kirby has never been on the major league injured list, though Divish notes that he missed a month during the 2021 minor league season due to mild inflammation in his shoulder and also had a bout of inflammation while pitching at the Mariners’ alternate site during the shortened 2020 season. Neither instance proved to be a long-term issue, and the M’s are surely hopeful that’ll be the case this time around as well.
There’s no immediate timetable for Kirby’s return. In his absence, Seattle will still have an outstanding top-four consisting of Logan Gilbert, Luis Castillo, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo. Righty Emerson Hancock is the most experienced depth option on the 40-man roster, although the former No. 6 overall pick (2020) hasn’t yet lived up to that draft billing. He’s pitched in the majors in each of the past two seasons and delivered 72 1/3 innings with a 4.71 ERA. Hancock’s 7% walk rate is strong, but his 14.3% strikeout rate ranks seventh-lowest among the 449 pitchers with at least 70 combined innings over the past two seasons.
Other depth options in camp include righty Blas Castano, who’s also on the 40-man roster (but has not yet made his MLB debut) and non-roster invitees Logan Evans, Jhonathan Diaz, Luis F. Castillo and Casey Lawrence. Evans is generally ranked within the top 10 of an absolutely stacked Mariners farm system after posting a 3.20 ERA in 107 Double-A innings last year. He’s not far from being MLB-ready. Diaz and Lawrence are journeymen who’ve both had brief stints with the M’s in the past. Castillo made a brief MLB debut with the 2022 Tigers and has since spent two seasons in Japan, pitching to solid results.
For all the accolades heaped on their top-five starters, the Mariners are relatively light on depth options behind that prized quintet. It’s difficult to convince veterans who settle for minor league deals to sign on with a team that pretty clearly lacks a path to the majors, as exemplified by the Mariners and Phillies in recent seasons. The M’s generally need to rely on in-house development for depth. Hancock and Evans are products of that process, but the Mariners have also seen prospects like Taylor Dollard and Sam Carlson derailed by injury and traded others like Adam Macko, Connor Phillips, Brandon Williamson and Levi Stoudt in recent years.
It seems unlikely the Mariners would immediately go outside the organization for any sort of notable addition. Beyond the fact that Kirby doesn’t appear ticketed for a long-term absence, the M’s have scant payroll space, as their bare-bones offseason made abundantly clear. Beyond that, any new arms brought into the fold might not be built up in time to factor into the Opening Day rotation.
One route the team could take would be opportunistically grabbing a rotation arm off waivers if the opportunity presents itself, or scooping up a veteran who’s been in camp with another club but is informed he won’t make that team’s Opening Day roster. There aren’t any immediate options available in that regard, but as teams begin to set their rosters in the weeks ahead, both avenues can become more viable paths for Seattle to bolster its depth.
Uh oh….And so it begins….
How often does shoulder inflammation not lead to significant time lost, or not signify a more serious problem? I am curious now.
Often. It’s simply rest needed.
Such a top heavy rotation. They’ve now one injury away from Jhonathan Diaz in the rotation.
What do you consider “top heavy”. I’d hardly say that having all 5 relievers be good as top heavy. Most teams don’t have great depth in their actual rotation let alone minor league depth starters.
I think Hancock will get a shot before Diaz this season, and he’s the 6th SP, so where does the rotation drop off occur… at #6?
Gilbert
Kirby
Castillo
Miller
Woo
Doesn’t look top heavy to me. Instead it looks like the talent is spread out well with 5 SPs anywhere from 15th-70th best in the league. Woo could be a #3 on most teams and a #2 on some teams.
Woo is considered our #5 pitcher well #4 now with Hancock moving in for Kirby. But miller and WOO alone could be ANYONE’S #2 SP on any team. The M’s were wise not to move any of their youthful flame throwers. Diaz in AAA is not a horrible depth piece at all either. If Logan Evans starts balling at Tacoma, I give him the green light if Kirby has to rest till may.
I wouldn’t go that far. I love Woo, he’s a competitor with great stuff. But as of now, I’m taking Cease and King/Darvish over Woo. I’m taking Yamamoto and Snell over Woo. I’m taking Burnes and Gallen over Woo. I’m taking Wheeler and Nola over Woo.
I do agree he would be a lot of teams’ #2, but he’s a #3 on a lot, too.
Yea right now, after one (injury shortened) season in the bigs it’s hard to say Woo is better than any of those SP’s mentioned, except imo Yu Darvish. As talented as Darvish is I think his best days are behind him, but thats just my own opinion.
I think what the commenter is saying about Woo is that his future value is an SP2. If Woo adds another Pitch or 2 its easy to see him becoming an Ace of a staff. His mechanics are flawless, his unique delivery gives him so much deception. I love watching him pitch.
I have the MLB At-Bat app. I like to watch a lot of M’s games while listening to the Opponents Radio Broadcast team. When Woo was on his amazing run last year you’d heard every opposing teams analysts and play by play guys rave about Woo! More than any of our other 4 guys. He has a chance to be really, really special
Woo is clearly better than Darvish and Gallen.
I totally agree with your assessment on Woo. I think he’s a future 2 for sure and think you’re spot on with your analysis of him. That poster was replying to my comment about how Woo would currently be a 2 on some teams and a 3 on a lot, which is why I pointed out teams that I don’t think he would currently be a 2 on.
I appreciate that insight about how others view Woo! I’m glad to know they appreciate him as much as we do. I can easily see Woo being our third most valuable SP this season!
Hey, I’ll take it, but I’m trying not to be overly biased here. I don’t think his track record is strong enough yet and his peripherals (while quality) didn’t quite support his results last season. If he repeats his performance or comes even close to it, I’ll certainly take him over those guys. For now, I don’t agree that it’s clear that he’s better than those two–he’s pitched 209 MLB innings–but it’s an opinion I respect.
I hate agreeing with someone who has yankee in their name. But yes, the Mariners system has no viable MLB starter after Hancock, whom with this injury to Kirby is now in the rotation (he must be thrilled). Thats it, they have no one else. In fact, i expect the M’s to try to get a milb deal with one of the starters floating around in FA still now that this has happened.
There’s probably 0 teams in baseball that have 7 viable starters at any given moment. So I’m not sure why people are acting like the sky is falling with this.
I mean literally viable to put into a ML B game. They need to get a scrap heap guy.
Diaz is a start or two option if they aren’t going to be able to call someone up for an extended time. After Hancock it’s Evans and likely Brandyn Garcia. Any of those 3 would be competing for a 5th spot in most rotations so it’s not bad depth.
Evans is not ready and may never be. Garcia, maybe. But both of those guys you just write off as a loss and are pleasantly surprised if they pull it out. Hancock is just your standard fringy 5th. Some good days, but mostly mediocre or bad.
With prospects you have to consider future projections not just past results. It takes time to adjust to MLB.
This is how the Mariners glass house come crashing down..
“Come crashing down”…Why you hatin’ on the Mariners? It’s not like they’re part of the “evil empire” or “trash can” banging, signal-relay track team or anything.
Probably because they didn’t trade one of those guys to their team for nothing.
Another whiner
Nailed it
I assume he means by “glass house” is that Seattle’s entire season rides on those 5 SPers. They have no depth and no offense. And now one of those starters is hurt and Woo usually ends up hurt as well. Without that rotation, the A’s and Angels will be tough for them. Forget about Houston or Texas.
No depth? Not many teams have 5 legit starters, so losing one still means they have depth. Most teams have 2, and 3 if they are lucky.
No offense is accurate. Even if they had 10 legit starters, it would not matter with their approach to hitting. K or homerun. Problem is, they aren’t even a great home run hitting team so it’s k or k. Plus their defense is average at best, and their front-end bullpen is suspect. Losing 1 of 5 starters is the least of their problems right now.
Emerson come on down, you’re the next man up!
The entire infield is NOT good!
Many times these things end up being mere speed bumps along the road and until we know for sure, we may as well hope for the best, not the worst.
It’s funny how they always say things like ‘not bouncing back’ and ‘not feeling well’ as if they just never want to say that their damn arm hurts.
Imagine an old cash register bell dinging after each time a pitcher says “my arm hurts,” along with a negative sign in front of “$1,000,000” deducted from the player’s next contract.
Best of outcomes to Kirby
The Braves will happily return Jared Kelenic in exchange for George Kirby…Throw in Bryce Miller and the Braves will throw in Bryce Elder! Take that to Divish to tell Jerry Dipoto!
How about garver or haniger for kelnic. Mull that over
i love it, I LOVE IT!
1 week into ST and suddenly half the league is sluggish and tired and not feeling great. they have inflammation, strains, sprains, and soreness. ONE WEEK into ST. these guys spend october-february drinking beer in the bahamas instead of working out, staying in shape.
nobody is saying they need to play with 100% intensity but if you’re an athlete you must do drills year round, throw, catch, maintain good diet. you cant show up february 22nd and say “ok im ready to get into shape now” and then when you’re on the DL 10 days later be surprised by it. players need to do better. teams need to do better. every single day another all star goes down with something. some of these guys havent thrown a single pitch yet! how the f do you suffer a significant injury if you havent even played yet? bc they’re not doing the necessary work in offseason + tms dont keep up until players report. i said it before, ill say it again, and ill keep saying it bc its true and bc as a fan of the game this is becoming kinda ridiculous. athletes makes millions, their job does not end on september 30th and it does not begin march 1st
I heard the opposite is true for most players.. They throw all year round. Go to pitching labs in the off season, and never give their arms a rest.
so kirby felt 100% fine for the last 6 months and suddenly 1 week into ST he’s bad enough that he’s immediately going on the DL and at the very least miss OD?
and its not only pitchers
rafael devers had issues with his shoulders and was shut down in sept 2024. that was 7 months ago. he never said another word, and showed up to ST, still silent, and suddenly after a couple of gms his shoulders are in pain again and his OD status is in limbo. so for 7 months, the tm just assumed he’d rest and get better. nobody checked in on him, and he didnt say a damn thing. bc if someone did check in, or if he did say anything, then something woulda happened between sept and march, like surgery or physical therapy. but he did nothing, he said nothing, the tm did nothing, the tm said nothing, and now he might miss time when it ACTUALLY matters. absolute insanity
If you read the article, you would know that NO, Kirby DOESN’T feel that bad and the Mariners are the ones being cautious here. Kirby said he could keep throwing and didn’t need rest. The M’s don’t want it to progress to something worse. May worsen /=/ will worsen.
cool fanfic
I’ll wager the players put more effort into their offseason fitness programs than you do in writing with proper grammar and punctuation.
You have a very vivid imagination
This may be the dumbest take i have heard on the site in a while.
The vast majority of players today do work out and keep in shape year-round. Back in the day players didn’t work out as much. And many of therm had off-season jobs before arbitration and free agency kicked in. What you’re describing is how it was in the old days.
These guys all have home gyms and personal trainers and even chefs. It’s not that they’re out of shape. It’s this emphasis on throwing/swinging 7000 mph with spin rates equivalent to the rpm’s on a space shuttle that’s causing the injuries.
Even as a fan of a competing AL West team, I enjoy watching Kirby pitch. Sad to see him miss time. Inflammation with “zero structural” reasons sounds misleading. There’s a cause for the inflammation somewhere.
He could have been traded for an Infielder in Baltimore who knows how to swing the bat lmao
He was among the only 4 pitchers NOT available. Baltimore was only offering according to reports, a player that no one wanted, Mountcastle.
Justin Turner spoke and the baseball gods have punished the Ms.
“Punished the M’s”…What active player or former player is going to do anything but argue for higher salaries and “more spending” by teams? If they did anything but, they’d probably be ostracized, demonized and shunned by their player and ex-player brethren.
This should not be taken as suggesting that the M’s(or any team)should not be investing representative sums in acquiring players, but active players who have a built-in bias towards teams “spending” aren’t exactly the best spokesmem for this point.
THIS is why they needed to upgrade the offense this winter. If the rotation isn’t at full strength, this team is in big trouble. They have no depth for the rotation (Emerson Hancock isn’t a replacement level player at this point), so there was little room for error/injury. They may have to make a play for Kyle Gibson if Kirby doesn’t rebound quickly.
The team is already in big trouble. When these guys hit the market the cheap ownership is never gonna pay to keep them. So done with this excuse for a professional franchise, along with a lot of other fans in the PNW.
LFGM!!
no reason to panic. the mariners’ explosive offense can make up for injuries to the rotation
The rest of the rotation should be good managing a 54% win rate. Or maybe they could trade for old pal Taijuan Walker to eat some innings. He’s pitching well this spring.
Gibson, Turnbull or Lynn would be waaaay cheaper
Only if Philly pays 80% of his salary. No team will trade for him without such a deal.
What was Woo going thru beginning of last year?
Pain pills….probably
I feel like this is how the year long absences of Rays pitchers Jeffrey Springs, Drew Rasmussen, and Shane McClanahan started out.
Even more grateful we didn’t trade any of our SP this offseason!
They cudda got a middle of the order bat and a ML ready pitcher for him though. That pitcher would probably be better than Hancock too. You can’t predict injuries though and hindsight is 20/20. What can you do if ownership puts profit over everything. They probably felt like they’d be “robbing Peter to pay Paul” by taking from their rotation when they actually could use a couple middle order bats. Just one may not move the needle.
That was what the reporting said they were targeting, but none of the leaked trade offers included both of those. The fact that they didn’t pull the trigger on any deal implies they were never offered a bat & pitcher they liked.
They were also never trading Kirby – it was always going to be Castillo for salary relief or Miller / Woo for the bat. Either of those scenarios would have left them in a weaker position.
54% and declining.
The amount of starting pitchers around the league that are already inured is pretty shocking
Another reason to fear a season-canceling lockout. Pitchers would drop like flies the following season.
Yeah, they need to get back to changing speeds and location (they obviously care about that still, but it doesn’t seem like the main focus anymore) of pitches. Versus throwing 1000 mph with trying to have a spin rate equivalent to the rpm’s on a Lamborghini. That’s gotta be the main culprit in all this. So many more pitchers use to be extremely durable, but didn’t throw 7000 mph and were just fine.
Next man up! Emerson, take the opportunity and run with it!
I like the M’s approach of developing a mlb roster. draft/sign, develope better than other teams, limit large FA deals. Pay the players that develope and produce. LARGE FA spending limits the broader level of talent on the 24 man roster. ex: spend 30m on Pete or spend on 2-3 quality players: hitter, a bp guy and a veteran rebound/project. OR Pete and 2 all glove and no hit position player. spread the $ around.
Some very weird tin foil hat comments here and needless piling on from fans of other teams. Kirby is hurting. He’s been working on spinning new pitches all winter and spring, so that’s not a surprise. Hancock has to step up and be a 5 inning #5 pitcher, something he’s capable of doing but hasn’t yet. Evans and Diaz are behind them, neither of whom have had a great ST. The injuries to watch are those caused by moving from 75/80 daytime dry weather to 40 degrees nighttime wet weather in a quick turnaround.
This is your chance (again), Emerson, to show doubters why you were drafted in the 1st round.
If it’s not a longterm issue (into June and beyond) this probably benefits the Mariners longterm despite a bit of a drop off in the 5-10 games he’d pitch in the spring. Hancock and Logan Evans are both in need of MLB innings to develop properly.
Please pick Luis F Castillo. So we can have Luis Castillo Squared in the rotation. In other words “Louie Louie”! The unofficial Washington State Anthem!
One of the reasons the Mariners have the best rotation in baseball is because of their depth options.
What depth? Hancock better improve a lot, quickly. There’s even less there after him.
Kyle Gibson or Lance Lynn wouldn’t be a bad idea to add for insurance and either one would come cheap at this point.
The Mariners are marinated anyway. They should have traded a starter for a hitter. Lots of 1 and 2 run losses in their future.
Could have traded Kirby for a major haul in the summer – MLB-impact bat & almost ready pitcher – but …
Obviously you can’t predict injuries, but DiPoto wudda looked like a genius had he got either a haul or a big bat for him. Now Seattle is doubley screwed.
Unless it was him who was traded. Depending on how long he’ll be out. They cudda got a middle of the order bat and a young SP that’s probably better than Hancock. Versus not having any of that and now they don’t even have him.
…..well, there goes .540.
75 W team