The Dodgers are bringing Teoscar Hernández back on a three-year deal. The Republik Sports client is reportedly guaranteed $66MM, including a $23MM signing bonus. There’s a little more than $23MM in deferred money, while the deal includes a $15MM team option for the 2028 season. The Dodgers have not yet announced the signing.
Hernández, 32, gets the three-year deal he’d been seeking. The slugger had called returning to the Dodgers a priority after a huge first season with the team. Hernández slashed .272/.339/.501 with 33 homers across 652 plate appearances. He carried that strong production into the postseason, hitting three longballs with a .250/.352/.417 slash over 16 games to help the Dodgers secure their second championship in five years.
This was the ideal outcome for a player on a pillow contract. Hernández had reached free agency last winter on the heels of a middling season in Seattle. He had turned in a .258/.305/.435 slash over 678 plate appearances as a Mariner. As a result, Hernández didn’t find the lucrative long-term offer he’d been seeking. While the Red Sox offered him a two-year deal that would’ve come with a $28MM guarantee, he signed for one season on a deferred $23.5MM salary with the goal of reestablishing his market value.
It couldn’t have worked out much better for either side. Hernández had one of the best seasons of his career. He earned his second All-Star nod and Silver Slugger award while picking up down ballot MVP votes for the third time. Hernández established a new career high in home runs with rate stats that were in line with his best years in Toronto. He was an instrumental part of a championship roster.
The down year in 2023 looks like an anomaly. He’s hardly the only veteran hitter to struggle in Seattle’s extremely pitcher-friendly home park. Hernández has been an impact hitter in each of the other four seasons since his breakout in 2020. Over the past five years, he owns a .274/.328/.493 batting line in nearly 2700 trips to the plate. There’ll be a decent number of strikeouts, but few players hit the ball as hard as he does. Hernández is an annual threat for 30+ doubles and at least 25-30 homers.
Hernández was the only key offensive player whom the Dodgers feared losing in free agency. He’ll return to join Shohei Ohtani, Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, Will Smith, Max Muncy, Tommy Edman and Gavin Lux in a loaded offense. The Dodgers added Michael Conforto on a one-year, $17MM contract at the Winter Meetings. No other team rivals the potency of the L.A. lineup.
The Dodgers are taking on some risk from a defensive perspective. Despite plus arm strength and surprisingly strong athleticism, Hernández has never graded as a good defender. That continued this season. Defensive Runs Saved felt he was three runs below par in his 1308 combined innings between the corner outfield spots. Statcast rated him much more harshly, estimating he was 11 runs below average.
Hernández isn’t likely to improve on a contract that runs through age 34. An ideal landing spot would’ve allowed him to move to designated hitter in year two or three. That’s not an option on a team with Ohtani. The Dodgers are moving Betts to shortstop and will have Hernández and Conforto flanking Edman in the outfield. They’ll accept a mediocre defensive unit for the chance to stack with the lineup with good hitters.
Adding Conforto and re-signing Hernández blocks the path to everyday at-bats for youngsters Andy Pages and James Outman. The latter feels like a change of scenery candidate after a disappointing second MLB season. The Dodgers will probably be less inclined to move the 24-year-old Pages, who had a league average .248/.305/.407 showing as a rookie. He still has a minor league option remaining, so they could start him in Triple-A if they don’t want to limit him to fourth outfield work.
Pages doesn’t have anything else to prove in the minors, but the Dodgers have the resources to continue loading up. Other teams figure to at least try to pull him away via trade, though L.A. could prefer to hold him as a replacement for Conforto after next season. Signing Blake Snell and retaining Blake Treinen earlier in the winter leaves the Dodgers without any clear holes on the roster.
At the start of the offseason, MLBTR predicted Hernández would receive a three-year deal at $60MM. He’ll land slightly above that forecast in raw money, though the deferrals will reduce the net present value to some extent. A three-year, $66MM deal without deferrals would come with a $22MM competitive balance tax hit. Hernández’s number will end up a bit below that. The specific payout structure, which hasn’t been fully reported, will determine how MLB calculates the contract for tax purposes.
Including Hernández, RosterResource calculates the Dodgers’ luxury tax number around $353MM pending the deferral specifics. They’re well beyond the $301MM mark that represents the final tier of penalization. They’re taxed at a 110% rate on the final AAV. Re-signing Hernández will likely cost them upwards of $40MM next year after taxes. The Dodgers have been undeterred by the CBT as they push for a repeat.
Hernández had declined a qualifying offer. Other teams would have needed to forfeit a draft choice to sign him. The Dodgers only relinquish the right to receive a 2025 compensation pick, which would have come after the fourth round. The Blue Jays and Red Sox had also been linked to Hernández this winter. Those clubs (especially Toronto) could turn to Anthony Santander, who stands as the clear top unsigned outfielder. Jurickson Profar is a tier or two below that as the next-best outfield bat.
Yancen Pujols first reported that Hernández and the Dodgers were finalizing a three-year, $66MM deal. Chris Cotillo of MassLive confirmed there was an agreement in place. ESPN’s Jeff Passan first reported the $15MM option for 2028, as well as the signing bonus and the approximate $23MM in deferrals.
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Let’s go!!!!! Repeat city
And the Padres offseason keeps getting worse.
Hey, Padres ownership, do you want to win?!
Dodgers ownership is lapping you.
And don’t give me “they have all the resources to spend bull!@@$!”
You can make reasonable moves and still, yes, still compete for the division.
You, Padres ownership, haven’t made one move.
They choose to give the money they can spent to sign Xander for 280M and extend Manny for 350M. Now they idle
They gave up far too much for juan soto. I knew that they would trade him so why didn’t they?
How many 300 million dollar players do you think they can afford? Lol Giants are the ones sitting on their hands.
antibelt: How is extending Chapman and signing Adames sitting on your hands?
I feel the same way about my team so the Mariners and Padres should do a deal.
@towinagain
If you think the Padres are having a tough off season, have a look at what shape the Jays are in.
Maybe the Padres should have not blown their budget on a second 300 million dollar deal for Manny and paying Xander 100 million more than what he is worth. Oh and Yu Darvish until he is 42 because sure
Paying Ohtani $68 mil / year for ages 39-48 – a you think paying Yu $14 mil for 39-41 isbad?
Those deferrals aren’t counted towards payroll
yeah but paying ohtani 2 mil/year for his prime, it just world series mode,
You do realize it’s real money though, right?
oh really?
Is it?
for the dodgers it isnt
I feel like this move may inspire Bob Nutting to sign 2 RPs for league minimum instead of one
2 is better than 1…….. right
Ohtani brings in a ship ton of revenue for the Dodgers though.
You do realize Ohtani brings $ in. They didn’t just throw it away. Ohtani is excited. And somewhat a big deal in Japan. Xander not a big deal anywhere. No one cares about him. Like Hernandez. Their value is getting deep in playoffs. Ohtani a big deal.
Who cares we got Othani in his prime thats all it matters is what he’s doing know. He’s going to get us 3 more titles.
@Long Ohtani will be collecting money already paid to fund deferalls from age 39-48. That is not the Dodgers paying him for those years. Those years are being paid for annually as $ is deferred as outlined in the CBA.
For the Dodgers it’s currently $46M annualy they are paying as outlined in CBA. $2M in salary and $44M annually to fund each years deferral.
Deferred $ is nothing new and there is nothing nefarious about it. Every team has ability to do it and most have over the past 4 decades since deferalls started happening.
It ain’t our money! And who will care when the Dodgers win a total of 4-5 World Series’s from 2020-2030? Haha.
You do realize he is worth that real money though, right?
And the circle is complete because, as the original poster started this, Yu is also worth his salary.
His suggestion that Yu wasn’t is what started the comparisons to paying money to older players.
I don’t care how much LA pays Ohtani or when they pay him or how they fund it or how it affects the CBA (or not), or if he is worth it or not worth it.
It isn’t the same for the Dodgers when they are owned by the Guggenheim investment group. If they owe money to a player 10 years from now deferred their whole business is investment. They can put those dollars into funds and then pay part of what they owe in interest generated from the deferred money. In simple terms, if I owe you $100 bucks in 10 days and I have a special skill that makes the money worth $140 in that time then in a way I’m only paying you $60. It’s BS.
Yeah but can you defer league minimum?
Holy moly, it’s incredible how often the Ohtani contract has been explained and yet this still persists.
The Dodgers are setting aside 40+ million a year and investing it. When it’s time to pay Ohtani his 68 million a year for ten years, the money will already be there to pay him. They’re not kicking the can down the road, the money is being set aside now.
The Lerners were deferring before deferring was cool.
Nobody counts 20 except dodger fans.
nobody discounts 2020 except fans of losers
@Black Ace The deferred $ and the principal along with interest rate is how it grows.
It’s in no way a special skill. The Dodgers are lending a $44M annually for nearly 10 years, each and every year of his contract. Investment firms drool to have that type of extra capital for a set term especially 10 years.
Not sure what stipulations are but just and SP 500 index fund would easily see this money double in 7 tears off its historic return. And if allowed some banks would possibly just pay a 6 or 7% rate ro have the extra capital to lend out as credit. Consumers regularly pay 20% or more on credit cards. So investment firm would b tripling their $ by the time the accrued deferrals are due. MLB rules likely stipulate something similar to the former, but just giving u some examples of how it’s in no way some “special skill”.
@Wade I’m not sure, that’s a good question. It would still be counted against luxury tax in present day value as current league minimum. Just unlikely to see someone being paid league minimum able to afford to defer the $. Unless of course they re an aging vet just hanging on for one of final years.
They can still get a good loan with a better interest rate.
Be mad at Preller for giving Xander that outrageous horrible contract. That being said I still think he is a good GM
I’d say Peter was behind that contract but that doesn’t mean AJ wouldn’t have done it too.
That takes out the best trade partner for Kuis Robert. I guess he’ll get moved at the trade deadline.
Kuis.
Padres are broke. Stimulus $ has ran out and credit cards are maxed out.
Padres had better hope for Roki, because Dodgers have improved over 2024 roster.
You realize that all the Dodgers have done this off season is trade Bueller for Snell, right? No other moves, no new players, etc. Stop freaking out…….lol
Buehler and Flaherty
Buehler and Flaherty you could say.
Vermon
Snell, Edman and Conforto, and Treinan coming back, if you’re counting
Run it back isn’t the worst idea for a 93 win team.
They need to sign an actual 1B for trade for one and could use a LF but bringing back Solano to play 1B and Peralta to play LF also isn’t the worst outcome.
You are a serious wimp Tow. Have you thought of getting professional help?
Don’t despair T, if Pads sign Roki and unload Cease in a deal for Suzuki, this will be a very successful offseason.
Hey now! They signed Jose Espada to a minor league deal.
The Padres made smart moves late in the offseason last year. I expect the same this year.
Tbe dodgers can spend like fools all they want. A team full of veterans tends to under perform.
You’re why the padres should have never made those stupid moves. Fans like you don’t have the intelligence to understand that it was a short term strategy that was only taking place because of a dying owner it was dumb then, and shouldn’t have been done because it confusing simpletons like you. Losing money for fans like you to stupidity criticize them now. Hopefully they operate like the A’s going forward and give you something real to complain about.
Let’s go!!!! Good teams get better and bad teams get worse!!!
It’s not just about the money. LA has a smart management team and great farm system.
Great management great farm system and of course good old Satan helping out where he can the Dodgers can’t miss lol
We found the Q follower in the baseball comment section.
I’m a Cubs fan.
Love,
Satan
You make Beavis and Butt – head look like geniuses. Job well done.
What is Q exactly?…any who good signing by the Dodgers!
Aptly named, butt head.
@Misfit, “[hopefully] repeat city.” They’ve never done it.
We’ve got a better chance now with him being back.
Misfit, LAD is definitely the team to beat.
misfit – why you saying “we” are you on the dodgers?
This is always the dumbest comment in any thread. If misfit bought a ticket, or some merch that found it’s way back to ownership and helped put the product on the field, then why can’t they say “we”? Just don’t get haters hating a fan. Hating the Dodgers in general…yeah, I get that.
It is something every fan of a team says because the team represents a city. In this case, Los Angeles. So, while the fans may not be on the team, they are a part of something in the greater scheme of sports. Who is the last acknowledgment by players whenever they get a chance to speak? The fans. “If it weren’t for the fans, we wouldn’t be here.” So, we, the fans, say “We” regarding the team because it is OUR team, and we have an emotional stake. It is ours. Don’t fool yourself; you’ve said “we” when discussing how the Pirates guzzle every last drop from every other baseball team while failing every year. “We just can’t seem to not be on our knees by seasons’ end.”
Ig thats mb – sorry misfit. I realize I have probably said that about the pirates. But usually me personally I dont say we, even though I am a diehard pittsburgh fan.
Don’t be that guy especially with a trademarked Pirates pic as your PFP.
I forgot how using “we” triggers people. Need to get back to using it. And I can actually use it legitimately. I am obviously smarter than anyone working in these front offices so they would be foolish not to take my advice. Just won’t say we signed Xander. I don’t want any credit for that disaster.
Energel, you may have missed it but all fans say “we.”
Cardinal
I think you’re right about Misfit. It can refer to “We Dodger fans”. Not how I talk, but just not a big deal as colloquialisms go.
Well said Van.
Mis – Not a surprise to most of us, we’ve been saying all along he’s staying.
Both he and the Red Sox used each other, so all good ;p)
I’m shocked! All reports (leaked directly from Boston’s front office) were that the Red Sox were in hot pursuit
Sad – Second year in a row too, they use the same playbook every year since 2019!
Who’s the next top guy the Red Sox will not sign … Bregman, Scott, Burnes or Santander?
FPG – You got a lot of nerve, implying the Sox are better at not-signing than the Jays!
Kodion – I think they’re equally bad at not signing players, these are just better at lying about which players they’re not signing lol
There’s a difference. Boston at one time was THE place to go. Like the end of a commercial…NOT ANY MORE.
It hasn’t happened for 25 years. I’ll take the field!
Next?
3 yrs for $66M seems like a solid deal for both sides in this market.
Gives the Dodgers another big RH bat with Mookie and Will Smith to go along with the big LH bats with Shohei, Freeman and Muncy.
I’m not sure what the defensive metrics showed in Teoscar, but it looked like he played well in LF, especially in the playoffs.
The system is broken. Dodgers have 3.5 times the payroll as several small market teams.
He was available to any other team. It’s nearly January. He signed at a very reasonable price for a team he obviously wanted to play for.
I agree on that, but I’m talking about the wide gap between resources of large and mid/small markets. How can the Rays and others compete with a $107 mil payroll when the Dodgers have no limit? They can’t.
If Steinberg can’t make money in Tampa, they could in Nashville, Charlotte, or perhaps Montreal. He could also spend money.
Perhaps, the billionaire owners of smaller markets should spend some MONEY!
The Dodgers need to add Nolan Arenado!!!
He wants to play for the Dodgers if the Cardinals are going to dump him.
He’s a year younger than Muncy. Has a lot higher career batting average than Muncy. Plus, Arenado Averaged between 25-30+ homers a year — with his 16 from last season being a career low.
Arenado’s 10 Gold Gloves along with a Platinum makes Arenado the much better defensive player.
The Dodgers need to take advantage of the Cardinals John Mozeliak and the owners DeWitt’s stupidity.
John Mozeliak is giving away their best Quality players. Just to dump their best Quality Players and their higher salaries.
The Cardinals will trade Arenado to the Dodgers for peanuts …. Plus give them $20-$25 million of his contract just so they will take him.
That seems like a No-Brainer. Adding Arenado strengthens them both offensively and defensively!! Muncy moves to the back-up 3rd & 1st Baseman along with filling in for Othani on days he’s out at DH. Plus —- Muncy could also fill in as a corner outfielder — if needed.
Arenado can they rework his contract to defer it? If so I love it.
17dizzy? Arenado is toast. No one really wants him or needs him. Nice enough fellow. Just done.
This team is a monster. I’ve been a Mariners Fan since my first game at the Kingdome in 1987. My team for the most part sucks. We were good in the late 90’s and early 2000’s but it’s been a grueling journey from there. Yes we made the playoffs in 2022, but it’s been miserable overall. Missing the playoffs by one game over and over again, and the ownerships lack of spending has made me decide to quit on the Mariners. I am now a DODGERS FAN since Mariners ownership decide to sit on their hands. GOODBYE SEATTLE! Selling my house and moving out of Washington state is gonna be a really sad moment. Love this state but politics and this has made me decide to move out of Washington and switch teams. It’s a sad day folks pray for me!
Prayers sent .
Ditto.
Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya
only 63M deferred
And the lame jokes start
Own your team’s shenanigans or deal with it.
what shenanigans?
@Reds: Not to worry. Santander/Boras will exceed Cincy salary comfort zone and they can trade with WSox for Luis Robert.
This is the leagues fault they gotta put a rule in where only a percent of money can be deferred of a players money and a percent of your yearly team salary be deferred. No im not a jealous fan but a person that doesn’t want this to eventually hurt the game. I will even go further that it is time to make a rule that teams also need to start paying for a percent of upgrades or new stadiums. People got a right to complain about how much these owners make. The salaries have gotten high enough. I get the owners are making plenty but so are the players.. it’s time that the excess money should be given back to the fan and that is for them to pay for these stadiums that these organization play in.
what shenanigans? the perfectly fair rules your cheap owner can’t/won’t play with?
Whine whine whine the players can strike and so can the fans. I’ve been in management on multiple levels for 30 years and what I’ve learned is if you want to make your point you hit them in the wallet. No different to baseball. The revenues are paid by you. Don’t come here complaining about the product and then support the product that’s insane.
Stubby- get ready for a long work stoppage before they sign the next CBA because they salary issues are going to expose rifts between owners, and then again between MlB and the PA
@Stubby The league does have rules on deferrals and how they are funded. Ohtani’s deferrals will require $44M annually to accrue to the $68M collection value. That $44M must be funded annually as outlined in CBA.
So the total against luxury tax the Dodgers are being charged($46M). Is the true # of the present value of his contract the $44M + $2M collected annualy now.
There is nothing nefarious and it’s not this advantage some people seem to think.
@Reds
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Yeah it’s within the rules but it counts as salary shenanigans. If Dodgers fans continue to get mad about it we will continue to joke about it
@ TheGr8One. I agree. A select few teams have gobbled up the majority of the talent. Whether you can afford it or not as an owner is irrelevant, it’s bad for the sport and it isn’t being managed, jeopardizing the integrity of the overall product. So why attend the games at the other 20 or so ball parks… Let it collapse, then sit back and see what happens.
Stubby
But in this case the signing bonus is as big as the deferred money. This just is not similar to the Ohtani deal.
Ive been a Dodgers fan since I wee sperm on the swim up the canal and I agree with you.
Something tied to a percentage of the deal.
No deferral periods outside 2x the contract length of deals less than 5 years, and 1..5 for more than 5
Something like this. I should “hurt” sooner than later.
Saying all that, glad the LA offense is essentially back with a better starting staff.
@cws No, it will be more excuses why nothing got done and they go into next year with the same lame outfield group.
Then why do it that way? If it’s not giving you an advantage you wouldn’t reinvent the pay structure for your team.
Subverting the CBT payments is nefarious. Subverting the CBT is an advantage.
Subverting the CBT takes money from other teams.
It does none of those things. The actual value of the contract is lower than the stated value due to when it is being paid out. The player gets paid more than the actual value for allowing the team to pay them later.
If we are going to talk about CBT manipulation with the deferrals, the length of contracts when teams offer players 12-15 years just to lower the annual average. Its the same thing with the difference in deferrals players don’t use a 40 m roster spot.
Wasting your time, tigers. Along with many others, I have explained deferrals more than once.
And you did it well.
Nobody wants to play in Cincinnati. That won’t change with a salary cap simpleton.
Disagree that no one wants to play in Cincy. Home town players like Pete Rose, Dave Parker, Barry Larkin, etc. Some people like a slightly slower lifestyle and if you want to experience something bigger you always take a short flight to that city. Taxes are much cheaper also. So diss Cincy, Pittsburgh or Minnesota all you want but realize some of us choose to live there.
23MM of it is deferred btw
And $23mm signing bonus.
If $23M is upfront in the form of a signing bonus, and $23M is deferred, that leaves about $7M/year in actual yearly salary for the state of CA to tax.
Turns out a lot is deferred though. Great deal for Dodgers.
And for Teoscar. Neither he nor any member of his family will ever go hungry.
@Misfit, but it’s it really a lame joke?
But was he wrong? 23m signing bonus, 23m deferred. Damn near close. *shrugs*
Who cares what’s deferred? This is ridiculous. Every team has the same rules.
Did I stumble into the challenged section of MLBTR? Every team can do the same thing. Good lord!
23 million has been deferred. So, his joke was not far off.
$23.5 million in deferred money.
You must have low expectations if you want to participate in social media.
You should lower your expectations if you want to participate in life now.
and the lame “comebacks” start
Not far off. $23 bonus and $23 deferred. That only leaves $20 over 3 years. Interesting.
I wonder if all these large (relative to the annual salaries) signing bonuses are a hedge by the players against a work stoppage when the CBA expires.
I think the answer is both yes and no. It’ll be nice to have a pile of cash under your mattress during the next lockout. But also it’s a guaranteed paycheck long long after retirement.
Remember the Mets are still paying Bobby Bonilla every year
@Wade Plus the $ to fund the deferred portions each of those years.
I get such a kick outta how the Dodgers deferrels get under so many people’s skin.
The meltdowns are glorious!
A practice in schadenfreude isn’t exactly an endorsement of your own character.
Deferred $ is awesome. Why would you want a higher luxury tax number? They got the city and tv deal. Might as well take advantage of the payroll advantage. If you smaller city fans get upset and stop watching they might change things. But no one cares if you are unhappy as long as they keep getting your $.
We normal people have already given up. It’s only rich white people from past generations who can attend games… Or companies who give free tickets to workers. I don’t give MLB any of my money and don’t really watch. But the league doesn’t care as long as the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, Red Sox exist. They will always bring in lots of money and revenue. The other teams are just fodder to showcase the talent on the richer teams.
“Rich white people?”
@ Rays in the Bay
“It’s only rich white people from past generations who can attend games… ” “I don’t give MLB any of my money and don’t really watch.”
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How do you know who is in attendance if you don’t really watch, and what makes you ‘think’ “it’s only rich white people”..
I can see though that you’ve been well indoctrinated.
The other teams have been fodder to showcase the rich team’s talent for as long as they’ve been playing baseball. Take a look at the yearly American League standings during the Yankees’ dynasty from 1921 to 1964. Teams like the Washington Senators and St. Louis Browns were cannon fodder for the Yanks. And the other five teams also experienced long stretches of ineptitude, including the Boston Red Sox. During the 1950’s the Kansas City A’s were pretty much a Yankees farm team, funneling all their good players to New York. Why do you all act like this is a new problem, when it’s simply history repeating itself?
Man, even the Dodgers are going to need to significantly cut payroll for current players once they have to start paying off all this deferred salary.
Although, the Dodgers cutting payroll means they’ll probably still be spending within the top 3rd of MLB teams on current rosters.
The Dodgers are already paying those deferred salaries into escrow. They have no financial obligation once the deals expire.
Yes. For Ohtani the Dodgers set aside $46M, they pay him $2M, and put the other $44M in a T-bill or something paying 4.5% apr. After 10yrs, the $44M deferred is now $68M, and he gets paid the rest. The Dodgers don’t suddenly have a $68M yearly bill due starting 10yrs from now. Its all paid and over with and on to the next superstar
Only off by 40 million.
Finally
Thank you
They deferred signing him until after Christmas but got it done.
About time!
Seems like a low salary.
It’s fair. At his age and talent would you want to lose a draft pick? Can’t go all in.
Bjhaas – Yeah, how does one live on $7,000,000 a year, with $23,000,000 in the bank and another $23,000,000 coming in the future. Should we start a Go Fund me charity?
Takin’ care of business over there
Now the bidding intensifies for Santander.
Nah. Same boat at Hernandez. Lil younger but not a good enough player or big enough star to want to pay max value and lose a draft pick. They will bid but not intensely.
Even worse because LA has the $ and wouldn’t have received a high draft pick. Baltimore like with Burnes would very much like to not spend $ and receive their draft pick.
Way to go bluejays
Yeah…I think I’m done. I’ve gotta find a new team to follow
Just don’t try the Reds.
Atkins will come up empty handed then hopefully lose his job
He seems to have no ability to attract any free agents. His trades are terrible…and cant seem to retain any players (or extend them).
The farm teams suck. And his draft selections never pan out.
What does he do?
Maybe he has some compromising photos of his boss or something….
Running it back! Tanner Scott next!
God please no they’ve spent enough money
I hope they get em all
Making Steve Cohen look a mite cheap.
Hear, hear!!
To the shock of NO ONE.
Looks like we got the band back together.
Except for Number 21, Buetane. *sniffle*
Rays
I paid only $99 for MLB.com to watch non-local games for almost a full season. That does not require legacy wealth or privilege.
Probably not what a collection of antiques like the Dodgers should be doing if they want to add to the big trophy collection.
Good for him! Finally and well deserved.
This team is stacked!
and handing out STACK$
No one wants to be overpaid in Toronto, Boston or SF.. mine as well run it back
Boston ownership did this to themselves. I have no sympathy for that cheap ownership group.
They did it to you, they knew this whole time it was another bluff.
Some teams refuse to overpay. Overpaying can come back to haunt you.
And some teams often refuse to just plain pay, because, ‘baseball players are expensive’ and ‘you can’t expect to compete for a world series every year.’
So, its so much easier to pocket the cash and not spend it for years on end. At least then you can fund non-baseball related ventures with it right? Just drop some misleading soundbites around ticket renewal deadlines and run with it!
GA: Good to see you. You have been missing for a while.
Yessir suit. Been a rough few months.
Still following the moves, and, can’t say I agree with the direction things have taken with the crochet trade, but, *if* he stays healthy, *if* he’s the real deal, and, *if* they get an extension done it may turn out alright.
Most of my energy has been spent just hanging on around here, but, decided to take a little time tonight on the boards to decompress and do something i always enjoyed.
Hope you’ve had a great holiday season so far
Hope things turn around for you if they haven’t already.
Good to see you hanging in there and hope you are enjoying the holidays. I’m not crazy about the Crochet trade, but we will see how it goes. I think it could turn out to be anywhere from a great trade to a disaster.
Suit: what’s your take these days on Breslow’s negotiating ability?
Looking at the body of work over the last 12 months I’m starting to feel like he tends to give in or give up a bit much for what he gets over most of his transactions?
I can’t tell about Breslow’s negotiating for sure because the price for pitching has gone through the roof.
If he couldn’t anticipate or at least see it happening in front of him, he’s not much of a GM.
Pffft. If you’re not willing to overpay for a FA, you’ll always come in fourth on the bidding.
This team is loaded !
The Los Angeles deferrals strike again with the 23 million
but also 23m bonus! Any team who believes in their product going forward can do the same!
Thought the Dodgers were going to move on?I’m sure I’ve read that here.
all part of the game and this is a rumor site but if you don’t think they had back up plans to back up plans you don’t follow the team.
They would have if need be. But the new what his market was. They have a lil experience in signing free agents. They knew he would come crawling back.
Plain and simple, baseball is lawless and out of control. Big markets buy championships while 90% of the league operates as a farm system for the factory. It’s a tarnished game because of money. Playing field is not equal.
Players union will never let a salary cap be implemented even with a salary floor unfortunately
Gmen: agree but because owners will not truly open their books.
I could see them agreeing to a $400M cap and a $100M floor while leaving the penalty tiers in place. It’s the smaller market teams that may balk at the floor.
I vote for you.
I’d vote for you.
I vote for you. (3rd time(?)
Democrat?
There’s yet to be a study showing salary floors accomplish anything at all except raise salaries a bit.
Were the A’s going to go anywhere in the last three seasons if they’d had to add a $20m AAV 3-win corner OFer?
Yep if you can get a top 5 gm and top 5 player development you can make playoffs somewhat regularly, anything can happen in a 3 5 game series and maybe even a 7 game series.
Royals are only small market to win it all and small markets are still spending the same as they did in 2015 while everyone else is spending 200m even 230 250 300 but it’s still theoretically possible.
A cap and floor are desperately needed, but the damage is done. Aside from that, the owners won’t allow a floor and the players won’t allow a cap. An impasse of two big groups with oversized egos and no compromise.
we had the royals, cubs, rangers, astros, nationals, cardinals, giants win the WS within the last 10-15 years or so. what are we complaining about? something needs to be done about deferrals but something also needs to be done about billionaires refusing to invest in their team. wompwomp
Nothing needs to be done about deferrals the dodgers are mortgaging the future for the now. There will be a time they are paying close to 100 million a year for players they don’t have anymore. And they’re right to do it cause what they bank with the two more rings they win at minimum will pay for those years. They’re choice. Nothing need change.
Thegr8one- you do realize that they have to put the deferred money into an account? They put it into an account that gains interest. So by the time they pay the deferred money it’s already been paid and made more money.
They are dodging luxury tax and gaining interest on the deferred money at the same time. There is no finding the money at the end.
They aren’t mortgaging the future! Deferral are about investments today that pay for a future contract. Money in hand, makes money. $500M making 10% a year in the market today pays for itself. That’s the genius behind it. It has nothing to do with leveraging the future.
You dont understand deferrals. They are not mortgaging the future, the money is paid upfront each year into escrow, there is zero downside to the team to defer. The issue is most teams cant get players to defer because most teams cant get the players period.
You say i don’t understand deferrals that’s silly you don’t understand the luxury tax. Doesn’t matter if it “makes” them money it’s still 100 million dollar tax hit for zero players. By then 40 million dollar contracts will be the norm and they still need to field a team. That will put them behind the field.
You don’t understand the luxury tax. 100 million dollars for zero players it’s still a tax hit. Start your team from scratch while 100 million behind everyone else they are absolutely mortgaging the future.
Yes, you’re right, mortgaging some of the future, for one glorious 10yr run.
They pay for it now. At today’s value. And because they pay for it now there is no tax consideration. It’s literally a zero-sum game. Future definitely not being mortgaged
It’s not a zero sum game you’re talking only in cash. Luxury tax for these contracts are still on the books. These people will be retired and count against the tax. How is that not behind the 8 ball?
Great- that’s not true. They are taking the tax hit today but at a reduced rate because of future value. They won’t be paying a tax on Ohtani in 10 years.
Yea exactly that’s what they are doing. It will be a glorious run and it will die and then it will hurt. It’s their call to do this others are choosing not to.
Luxury tax is paid for at the time due to actual value of the contracts when they are signed. When the playing careers of these players is finished the taxes are 100% paid.
The money is set aside now, the taxes are paid as they come due as calculated by MLB and MLBPA. There is nothing hanging over the team when the contracts are completed.
No not at all. You act like on 10 years from now they have to start finding the money to pay Ohtani.
10 years from now Ohtani will have zero lux tax hits and the money he is owed has already been set aside on an interest baring account. So by the time the dodgers pay it, it cost even less.
There is no mortgaging the future happening. The money is already be paid deposited today.
Dropped- exactly
Fortunately, the Dodgers are generating enough revenue to offset any future obligations. Ohtani revenue alone is going to hit over a billion PRIOR to paying any deferments..
@TheGr8One MLB has rules on how These deferalls are funded. The $ needed to accrue to the value at collection has to be funded annually as the deferalls are taking place. So These deferalls are being funded now. The players collect later. Teams are not just putting kicking the can down the road on paying these.
Dodgers are being lux tax today and for the first 10 years 46MM, there won’t be lux tax for the years 11-20.
The opposite would be, Why if Ohtani is been paid 2MM is been taxed 46MM?
Not to mention what Ohtani generates for the organization. Dodgers will be fine.
@TheGr8 They do not count against luxury tax when collecting deferred money. The principal needed to fund deferral is counted each year along with signing bonus divided amongst playing years of the contract.
A good example would be Snell’s CBA hit last year which can b found on FanGraphs. The amount paid the cost to fund the little bit of deferral and entire signing bonus all fell on last season. He opted out of 2nd year so the one season became lone year of his contract.
Rangers, Astros, Cubs, Nationals and Giants are not small market teams so point not valid. Just look at their payrolls compared to the rest of the league when they won. Show me where the Brewers, Reds, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Oakland, Minnesota…. And so on and so on have won anything. They haven’t. Blame ownership, fine. But the way the rules are skewed for big markets to continually reach the playoffs is obvious.
Fair amount of different teams have won championships in the past 25 years. Higher than the capped leagues even with the (still) most exclusive playoff system.
Cry us a river commies.
The starters are hardly scary and the defense is brutal. Repeat bwaaaa bwaaaa bwaaaa bwaaaa bwaaaa bwaaaa
Hmmm somehow they won the Series with that defense and those starters
Go cry to your teams owner. Every owner in baseball has money and they don’t want to spend.
MLB has had more “different” teams win the title than the NBA or NFL since 2001. I think it’s 16 different teams, out of 30 total.
differentbears- Commies don’t understand actual outcomes or facts. It just feels unfair when their teams lose so it has to mean the system is unfair. Baseball has more parity than any other sport. In the NBA and NFL is is not uncommon for a team to win or lose 80% of their games. That is lopsided as hell. In baseball a team that wins 60% is very good.
Have to think however that the luxury tax tiers have actually prevented teams from spending all their money on terrible players.
I hate the inequity in the game but contracts more often go sour than work out and them not working out gets worse the bigger the contract.
May the entire organization and its fans spend an eternity writhing in a flaming, decaying pit of fecal horror!
Just a game, dude.
We are willing to sign up for that. Just as long as the fecal horror is deferred!
You already are Stoked. You already are.
I wouldnt go that far, but it really is annoying
Be happy energel. Dodgers won’t get their hands on Skenes for another 5 years yet.
why do people not think Pirates wont extend him… Pirates are big on extensions
relax dude. just joshing. Skenes is terrific. enjoy him.
(but he does come from Fullerton CA) wink wink.
also not trying to be rude or mad, sorry if it came off that way, just very passionate for the buccos and skenes.
and oh yeah I’ll enjoy him
Does he have Boras as his agent?
Not Boras. Rafa Nieves is Teo’s agent.
@energel
We’ll see. Pirates are like the Rays. Extend him, give him no supporting cast, fail to meet expectations, and then traded (or let walk in FA). Unfortunately it’s the fate for all small market teams
They can’t afford that extension.
I think Livvy would rather be in LA than Pittsburgh.
May God cure your mind and soul. Sad to see people talk this way if it’s only a game for human kind to be entertained. God bless you
May God cure your blathering ego?
Cheers,
A giants fan, lol. At least you had Willie,
And Juan. And Willie. Orlando, Felipe, Matty, Jesus…
Yikes. Kinda side ways yout.
Hahaha!!
That’s light contract ! Less than 15 mil per over 3 years with some deferred money. How’s there not a dozen teams in in this guy for that cost ?? Yet he gets no buzz
Seems like LA and NYC are only two cities that can afford MLB free agents. Smh
He wanted to be a Dodger. Plain and simple.
“He wanted to be a Dodger. Plain and simple.”
Exactly right. All the whining about deferrals/’buying rings’/etc. overlooks the dirty little secret that’s right out in the open:
Players want to play there.
In fact, some of them want to play there (or remain there) so much the Dodgers actually get a price break.
Where are you getting 15 million per? 3/66 is 22, even if you include the fourth year at 15 is still 4/81 which is still 20.25
23 mil deferred. So 3/43 is all he got over life of contract with 23 up front. So less than 7 mil per if u take out signing bonus
the signing bonus is amortized over the length of the contract
Other teams didn’t want to give up draft pick for a good not great not young player.
@dream He wasn’t issued a QO
@TigersLoveCinnamon the fake news strikes again then. Or Mandela effect. In my timeline it was reported he got a QO
Your timeline jives with mine Dream
Okay I’m dumb, you got me
@TigersLoveCinnamon Impressive honesty. Well done. I would have played I’m from a different multiverse card.
Nope. Go look at owner profits last year. LA and NY are the only ones spending what they make. If you want to shake your head, go see what Boston pocketed instead of investing on players!! Even the smallest markets aren’t hurting.
Where do you see what each team profited?
In his dreams
Does no one know facts on here?? Last year MLB teams made an average of 378M in revenue. The Boston Red Sox made 500M in 2023 and spent less than 200M in 2024. You want to blame LA for spending their money or Boston for pocketing it???
Research is hard for ya huh @Simm? Lol. I love uneducated people who post.
Would you believe they have expenses other than player payroll?
Yeah, I think we all understand the definition of profit! Would you like me to do all the research for you? Do a simple google search on owner profits and payroll boys. I use the Red Sox because it’s an obvious money grab. One little search on the WWW will show you I’m right. OR you can just add dumb comments and think you’re smart.
Only two teams have open books. So any of this is speculation.
The gap between the haves and have nots is massive.
So they invested 40% of their revenue back into the business? I can find you tons of businesses below that
@bluesteele out of curiosity, what is your source on the RSox, what is debt owed and what were profits? That paints a better picture than Revenue alone and profit would be more useful information if we’re drawing comparisons.
Nobody knows the Red Sox profits. People just like to report rev that Forbes or some place guessed at.
MLB team books are not public, except for Atlanta. Whose speculation are you looking at? Would you care to reveal your source?
More large market apologists just making s*** up.
Hey Lousy GM shapiro …WAKE UP !!
Will the Sox pivot to Santander or sit on their hands? Stay tuned…
Oh I think the major off-season moves are done for the Sox.
The lineup really needs a RHB in the middle of the order and this was the obvious answer and they whiffed yet again.
I hope not. If they want to be competitive they need to get another bat. I would also like to see one more piece added to the bullpen.
1 sox doesn’t need outfielders, the other really doesn’t either but they are rebuilding anyways.
I doubt the Red Sox are adding an outfielder until they unload Yoshida’s 3 years/$54M remaining contract. They might not add Bregman until they unload that. They apparently won’t just eat his salary.
Red Sox are loaded with outfielders. I think they’re gonna have a great year. I like their moves.
I still think there is someone willing to take a shot with Yoshida, probably need to sweeten the pot with either money or a prospect or take back a bad contract. I certainly hope they are not done with making moves.
Aloha folks, crazy that on a smaller contract of this size with a team that rakes in the revenue, they’d need Teoscar to defer 1/3 of this contract. I’m amazed he went for this. Mahalo
It’s a loophole mechanism for teams to reduce AAV for luxury tax purposes. They’re also giving him a $23M signing bonus so I don’t think Teo has any personal net losses as a result of the deferrals. I’d imagine that other teams offered more but guess he likes the Dodgers.
Aloha Yankees, I hear you and understand it’s a loophole. I wonder in the next CBA agreement if this will be dealt with. I’m pretty sure no one thought a player given a $700mil deal would have 97% of it deferred. I’ve said to folks maybe a hard line of up to 15% deferred for no more than 5yrs. I didn’t have an issue with the size of the deal but you as the signing team must assume all the responsibilities of lost draft picks, paying the luxury tax to the league, etc. This loophole allows the team to “escape” some of those penalties and no says anything out of the MLB headquarters. So go ahead and sign Shohei, Snell and Teoscar but adhear to the rules as intended and accept the consequences. If LA couldn’t get around this, I wonder if they sign all these folks? Just a question. Take care now and have a Happy New year! Mahalo
Aloha KC! You too! I’m sure it will be addressed but this is a team owners’ problem. 2024 MLB salaries totaled close to $6B and Forbes estimates that MLB had $11.6B in revenues in 2023. I’m not sure what the solution is but players don’t want their share of the pie to shrink while league revenues continue to rise.
Please. Revenue and profit are different. Everyone is quick to point out revenue, but expenses are seldom mentioned. Player salaries are but one part. Did you know expenses continue to rise, also. Grocery stores have a much higher revenue than MLB, but after expenses are around 3% for profit. Not trying to make a comparison, just saying large revenues don’t automatically mean large profit.
Most people are aware of what net income is.
Teo is fine. He seen all the offers. Took the most appealing. Would you really want to give him 22m a year and lose draft pick? So 22m a year deferred in LA was probably the best offer or close enough to play where you are comfortable and have the best odds to win.
Here we go again, and again, and again. No, it is not a “loophole.” In fact, if you read the CBA (and some of us actually have), deferred salaries are treated as loans to the team, which are required to pay the player a set fixed interest annually. You’d think that anyone who has ever paid or been paid interest would immediately understand this concept… but no. And no, this doesn’t need to be “fixed” in the CBA. Both the players and the teams like having this option. No team is forced to offer a deferral and no player is forced to take one. They both do it as a matter of financial self-interest.
1 billion in deferrals
I hope so. That’s the smart business way to do it.
More dodger deferrals lose your minds fans of teams that aren’t doing the same but could.
66 M for an aging DH w/ platoon and K issues. Woof
When you’re giving players 700 million. You’re not really worried about 66 million lol.
@Gmoney
hahahahahahahah
love to know what squad you pull for.
He doesn’t platoon, got many, many clutch hits for LA, including post season, was a joy in the clubhouse, and in one year surpassed Mookie as my favorite Dodger.
Who just put up a 4.3 WAR season and by NPV is probably getting less than a 20m AAV.
Aw, are you crying?
AMEN!!!
Fu#k Yea ! Now Roki… Go Dodgers !
Omg, I actually forgot that they’re going to get him too. To the victors….
HOO F-IN RAY!
Reds sit idle, watching the best outfielders disappear, this team needs a solid bat in outfield and someone with proven home runs, soon the bottom will drop, it’s over, this team has only a few years to succeed with the young guys
So many Reds fans in the comments. Reds are not in this league; this is not about the Reds. Just because they grew some talent doesn’t mean there will suddenly be money for FA’s (or that free agents would choose Ohio over LA).
Reds fans have it pretty rough. I would take Ohio over CA. One of the last free states.
Yeah. We are discussing the real teams still. Once NY LA get all the best players we can pivot to the reds and talk about the scraps they picked up.
A dream gm in your own mind please self mute and save us all from your ridiculous and shallow minded thoughts on the trivial tidbits you spit out as relevant to the ongoing conversation. They,in fact, are amusing but really embarrassing to your parents.
Amusing is enough for me
Also liking your own comment is self amusing also.
Hahaha! What about the Pirates what kind of scraps will they end up with?
It’s getting bad. Back in the good ole days these richer teams were dum dums. They would have given Alonso 200m and Walker 100m. Pirates would have gotten Goldy Santana. It’s a good thing they can somewhat develop pitching now. Because the days of getting #4 starters like Anderson Quintana Velazquez for 3m are over. Cohen will give em 20m.
Pirates traded trash and got a all star platoon at 1b in Horowitz. Maybe they do he same for outfield. Or Winker is more valuable to Pittsburgh than anyone else so maybe they splurge on him. Profar that would really be a splurge so won’t bet on that. At worse I hope they sign 2 of the 4 remaining weak platoon all stars. Jack Suwinski was a platoon all star before hitting coach messed him up. So they could have a all star platoon if they can #GetJackBack They should have signed Tauchman. Maybe get Hayes.
The rich get richer! Welcome home Uncle Teo!
162-0 begins now!
Mookie is really going to be the Ss vs all righties, its been in the picture frame the whole time, but really setting in today
Should be fun for us to watch how this transition goes, an adventure of sorts
Next on the dodgers MENU. Arrenado, Kike, and Tanner Scott. Let’s Go Dodgers
Scott is a low percentage ‘maybe’.
Kike is a ‘no’.
Arenado is a ‘hell no’.
I really hope they get Kike. All he needed was glasses. Even if they don’t need him.
One more Hernandez to go
hope they figure a way to keep him around too. I think he made a speech in SD that turned it around. just speculation on my part but it seemed like that happened
This is lower than I expected for his AAV after the deferrals.
LA deferrals with a steal of a deal
I’m really surprised he came back. He must not have had many offers and obviously no one wanting to give him a 4 year deal.
But I’m glad he’s back.
Just not worth losing draft pick for. Limited his earnings.
The most sickening and predictable news of the day. This loser knows he’s nothing without the purchased superstars around him. All that BS about being far apart on a deal was smoke for fans to believe that someone other than these scumbags were going to get him. He was almost going to come crawling back to daddy. I’m sure he led these other teams on like a c***tease so the moneybags would throw a few extra dollars his way. Shut this stupid league down now before we have to see 6 straight World Series titles by these greedy pigs.
Breath
Just 6 straight division titles. Someone is bound to win a playoff series against them at some point in 6 years.
I hope you’re right but they’re just going to keep buying and buying and other teams will give up
@Mickey 6 years is still small sample. They could go 6 for 6. I won’t bet on it. Still though just getting to playoffs as a favorite is huge. You will get your share.
What a pathetic baby tantrum you’re throwing here. He’s a grown man that chose where he wants to play and you go ahead and grow up while you’re at it.
Wow…. Maybe take a break from baseball. Noms if this actually matters and it doesn’t seem like you’re particularly entertained by what’s supposed to just be harmless entertainment when push comes to shove.
Oh how I LOVE to see Mickey Solis seethe.
I’d tell you once again to seek professional help but apparently you enjoy your anguish as much as the rest of us enjoy reading your posts.
Will Mickey be able to handle it when LA signs Tanner Scott next?
He couldn’t handle it when they extended their utility infielder, so…
Scott and Sasaki, I’m glad DraftKings gave me odds on those two. Who else is on your wish list in the future? Hopefully teams will just start handing you players and stop showing up for games.
In the previous 3 seasons before he joined the Dodgers he was averaging over 27 homers and over 95 rbi lol.
Let the hate flow through you!!
You don’t know the power of the Dark Side Mickey!!!
Maybe switch from baseball to bowling, cut back to every other day on the cocaine, toss the tequila and buy some wine.
Hey, mickey solis checked in. Missed ya buddy. Only a couple more days and your grammar school’s Christmas vacation is over. Did Santa bring you some cool stuff? Hope so.
More to the deferral pile for the LA Deferrals! Nicely done!
Id like to see one division of 32 teams playing a completely balanced schedule where the top 7 teams make the playoffs and the best record gets a bye. That will do away with less than the best record making the playoffs and do away with the division based scheduling disparities. No more bogus regional rivalries or bogus notions of an american or national league. One division of 32.
Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all
The reason they have an imbalanced schedule is because of travel time. Otherwise they would only be doing 120 games or something like that.
Would destroy a dozen tv markets so not happening. Just get rid of both central divisions other than the cubs. Hard to support the product as is. Without the dream of winning the mediocre central and beating your rivals why care.
I’m sure you can set that up in a video game but in real life nobody else wants that.
These deferrals are getting out of hand and is quite laughable.
Might as well go ahead and defer Burnes 400 million at this point
@mad1; excellent idea!!
Not enough k rate for LA or they would!
No one but dodger fans care about this team buying everyone and paying them until old age. It’s disgusting and it’s making other teams not spend as much cause some feel there is a budget and what’s the point if this team has 50 all stars
if memory serves the Snakes couldn’t finish ahead of the Friars in ’24.. but I remember an awful lot of crowing from you when the Dbacks made the Series in ’23.
Guess it doesn’t serve you right at all wrong perspn
try again in English
@ takerexpert
two words:
Corbin Burnes
Baseball should do away with deferred contracts. If a team is willing to spend, by all means do it but money should not allowed to be deferred.
Nationals won a WS on the back of lots of deferred money. As long as all teams can do it, why not?
You probably work for the California state government. The only losers with deferrals is the California State Treasury. Players are beating California out of millions in of state revenue, as their rate is 13.3 percent. Ohtani might be saving up to 90 million state taxes.
Jersey — Interesting take, I hadn’t thought about the Tax ramifications. As if states don’t already pay the owners 100s of millions.
Pretty sure CA taxes you for income earned in state regardless of where you live. You can get exemptions based on the taxes you pay where you live so you aren’t “double taxed”. It is pretty lame. Communism is not good.
Chris Rock once said that rooting for the Yankees to win the World Series is like rooting for Bill Gates to win the lottery. I’d also add that rooting for the Dodgers to win the World Series again is like rooting for Elon Musk to win the lottery.
We don’t claim Elon, that fool went to Texas. keep him.
yeah he’s some fool. please tell us more. actually don’t and keeping your politics to yourself is a virtue. btw you lost.
what are you talking about? Live under a rock? Dodgers won it all baby!
I would love it if Elon won the lotto. That would be absolutely hilarious.
Good for Teo! It was a good fit. The Ohtani bromance continues!
*finally got a 4th one right in the contest lol. I was 3/4 and then a massive slide. Tough rookie year! (For the contest, been commenting for years, following more)
Very fair deal for player and team and man the Dodgers with all those deferrals. How do they talk players into it and why aren’t more teams taking this approach!?
I assume other teams offered more but Teoscar took less + deferrals for ez rings and LA lifestyle and no pressure as he is like the 5th best hitter compared to 1st or 2nd on other teams.
LA lifestyle ain’t all that and most of these guys generally live elsewhere in the offseason. I do agree he went with a team that gave him better odds at more rings/pistons season berths.
In my timeline he had a QO. Teams have to factor in that loss if signing him. So offer him less. He isn’t young or great. Even then then they just can’t match the $. He is already comfortable with LA vs a unknown. If he likes winning what better place. And if he hates winning I am sure he still enjoys his share of playoff $. So is he worth 23 24 25 26 million and losing draft picks signing $ luxury tax $. Whatever. Would be like paying him 30 million a year for some teams.
LET’S GO DODGERS! now for the emotional signing, bring Kiké back!
GET YOUNGER!
this is great news! what a team and still other moves out there!
What’s a little more deferred money between friends. Lost count of the total deferrals they have now
It might be getting to a point they could just buy another franchise with deferred $. Maybe not Mets but Marlins Pirates or something.
I’ll also say as a dodger fan are you really happy if you win? Did you really feel you earned it? Like those teams that have amazing chemistry and build it together from the farm or at least some cheaper free agents that were unexpected signings that did well? Not one fan is Impressed cause it’s expected and a failure if you don’t win. It may not seem like it yet but they are ruining the game and MLB is so far behind NFL and NBA they let it happen. Just unfortunate.
Yes.
Are Yankees fans happy with their 27 championships. Yes they are. Same with dodgers. They don’t care about fairness.
My favorite teams are Pirates Rays. I like a challenge. I am vast minority.
its a juggernaut for sure but lbh here. anyone could have signed FF or Teo or Shohei and Boston traded Betts to the team. Snell was there for any team as well. team continually grabs other teams leftovers like Muncy and Treinen as well as the entire bp mostly. seems like the team mentality is hitting on all cylinders. as a long time fan its pretty awesome to witness.
Remember when Cohen was going to do this, but no decent GM would work for him the first three years?
awwww.
not happy… ecstatic.
Yes I earned it.
Yes, yes, and yes.
Such a sad little puppy, TAKERDBACKS is.
Can’t wait to see what this contract actually looks like. How many deferred years etc. Teo ended up giving them a discount.
Teoscar will also be cleaning the pools of the Guggenheim fellows, and is hoping the NPV of the deferred money ends up with him owing the Dodgers.
Wtf are the red Sox doing with missing out here? Right handed power hitting outfielder to replace oniel. Price seems very reasonable. God dang man! This sucks!
He didn’t want to play for Boston. I’m sure they offered same/similar contract (probably without the deferrals). He just didn’t want to play for them. Sometimes you can offer Juan Soto more money and he still won’t pick Toronto.
Hopefully they offered him less. Only way he wasn’t going back to LA is if LA didn’t want him.
No one “picks” Toronto. Toronto picks you. Like herpes.
Hey, you got George Springer for 6/150m!
Too soon?
LAD were getting the last look no matter what. Boston or any fanbase can groan at its FO, but do you want to desperately pay for a guy in typical decline years so much that even they say no way we’ll come close?
Don’t you think he wants to win another ring. He had an awesome chemistry with the team last year and I’m sure he wants to be part of it for a long time.
“Missed out” on Teoscar and Burnes. Obviously the Soto chase was just a John Henry smokescreen saying “See? We really want to get some high-quality players.” Face it, the Sox are going back to 1965 very soon and fans will start staying away. It isn’t like the Pirates or Rockies. Boston is a big-market area and any team that refuses to improve will suffer for it.
god i hate the dodgers
Curious to know: is it because they have ownership that spends money on a product that people want to pay to see? I’m a die hard Cubs fan and I wish the Ricketts would spend like this instead of just knowing fans will fill the ballpark regardless of product on the field.
I wish everyteam would spend a little, so the free agent market is free game, salary cap would be nice, also salary floor as well. dodgers has over 300 million in salary, Pirates still in the 70-90 mil range, and they arnt even last.
I feel you.
MLB is such a joke.
And, yet, here you are.
didja also hate the kids who had dates for the Prom?
🙂
YES!!!
ugg
Orioles sign Tyler O’Neil for 3 years $50 million, dodgers sign this guy for $66 with deferrals.. lol Os can’t do anything right lol
I’ll take Oneil the money and draft picks.
I maybe wrong but I don’t think the NY teams have used the “ deferred clause” as much as the Dodgers.
I’m sure when they do MLB will do something about it.
lol
The dodgers are owned by a group that has 20x the money to play with as those NY teams.
Poor NY teams.
Yankees have a long-held policy not doing them as well as no early extensions. The only exceptions were Robbie Cano, Luis Severino, and Aaron Hicks
Real big surprise. Teoscar lands back with the MLB champs.
Teams that have big money, they should just let those teams have who they want. It’s pretty much already like that.
I’m so disgusted with Major League Bsseball.
agreed
You should quit
Doyers are annoyingly aggressive this off-season
How many of you whining bitches have used Care Credit?
whatch the fuccing language godamn
Stinks… dodgers just keep loading up on talent and what’s even more bothersome is that every other team in the league can do exactly what they are doing, perhaps to a lesser degree, but still very similar, and we are all pretending like the big bad dodgers are the only ones that can do it… it’s not true. You can see the financials of even the owners of the A’s…. They have plenty of money and if they would invest in their sports business, they’d be plenty successful. They just choose to be conservative instead of taking a little risk with it. But each and every team has the revenue and means to do what the dodgers are doing
Ohtani’s salary (70$) is more than the Athletics (62$), wdym every team has a chance? MLB needs a salary cap and/or salary floor
Commie
It’s pretty much LA v NY again. Everybody else is just playing for fun in the regular season.
Yankees have won 1 WS since 2009. Dodgers have won 1 WS since 1998. No, 2020 does not count, the COVID season. Unless your team has gone thru the 162 gauntlet, it does not count.. So, they can keep spending, spending, spending, and losing, losing, losing. Keep your head up. MLB is not like other sports.
Yes it counts. They all count. If you hoisted hardware at the end of the season, it counts. Period.
Why wouldn’t 2020 count? Were the Dodgers in jeopardy of not making the playoff tournament in a full season? I don’t think so.
No real surprise and good takes here on Pages and Outman….
This is story I been scanning “MLB Trade Rumors” for since Snell signing. Finally. All the Dodger haters, just imagine if your team was so hell bent on fielding best team out there. Gota respect that, they play within the rules. Gonna be fun year @Chavez Ravine. Go Dodgers !
If you are jealous of what they do just join them. You don’t need antenna on roof anymore. Can watch any team you want. And they are coming to a city near you.
I’m surprised it took this long on the reunion. Really seemed like a great fit for both sides.
Awesome ,another banger off the board for the Jays.
I hope this speeds up in the new year , so I don’t have to keep wondering if they have a chance on : Santander, Bregman or Burnes.
Sign already so I don’t have to keep wondering pathetically like jays have a shot.
One important detail that applies, specifically to the Dodgers in this case, to spending limitations is that putting hard caps in place jeopardizes MLB’s Anti-trust Exemption.
The only absolute certainty in baseball is that 100% of owners do not ever want that to come into question.
Excellent point. I don’t think many people know about the exemption.
“No other team rivals the potency of the L.A. lineup.”
Arizona alone scored more last year than the Dodgers and one can argue they had an off year. Yankees, Mets, Braves, and Orioles I’d say would rival them offensively as well. Writers opinion, but certainly debatable.
Mets and Yankees../zero chance.
Healthy Braves team maybe and perhaps the O’s when all is going well.
boo
They can’t keep getting away with this!
More deferred money…can I pay for a team on credit too?
Enjoy the strikeouts. The Mariners sure did. The amount he struck out was the same as missing like 70 games.
Yuki,
Dodgers must have overlooked that. Probably the glare of the championship trophy getting in their eyes.
Or the price tag of the store-bought trophy poked them in the eye.
@letitbelowlife
Thought you’d want to watch the trophy presentation and celebration again.
Enjoy.
mlb.com/video/dodgers-are-presented-with-the-world…
Actually, strikeouts notwithstanding, most of us are enjoying the World Championship. Teoscar was a huge part of that.
Dang son.
Teo simply didn’t want to leave
Going to be very interesting once they sign Bregman, Pete Alonso, and Santander. Where will they go in the lineup? I “defer” to the Dodgers.
The World Champs are better than they were last year on paper.
Got another one right in the FA contest.
Outstanding signing.
I don’t ever want to see Outman take another at bat for LA again.
Overpaid. Older players have decreasing numbers (especially after making bank) and he’ll mostly be a DH only player after next year. What will they do with him + Ohtani + Conforto? Conforto/Hernandez are getting older and reaching DH-only phases of their careers. If they take those spots, where does Ohtani fit in the field?
Just seems like a lot of money for either bench players or depth players that can’t play defense. But if there’s one team that can afford to DFA a player making 22 mil, it’s the Dodgers. Who cares about plebian organizations like the Rays/Pirates/Reds? Seriously.
Wonder when Taylor gets the axe?
If I am reading this correctly with the signing bonus and deferrals, the present day annual salary for Teoscar Hernandez will be approximately $6.7M per season.
What the rise of signing bonuse and deferrals really tell me is that these players are getting smarter about lifetime earnings and prefer one time lump sum payments upfront followed by longer term steady year over year income rather than the salaries they used to receive cut and dry per season only to have to be frustrated by the stagnant income and then adjusting to the lack of significant income after their playing days, or feeling frustrated by thw tamped down annual salaries they used to go for straight up.
signing bonuses are counted in AAV for salary purposes. So is a portion of the deferrd bucks.
Take a breath.
Dawg, as a trillionaire team operator you don’t get contracts. Bonuses and deferred funds are counted. Just not the same way. Present value just says that player agents are getting better at getting continuous paydays.
Dawg I fully get contracts and money I’m simply discussing players’ evolving approach to their career earnings.
You guys don’t get what my point is at all. I’m not talking about AAV or the luxury tax or any of that.
I’m talking about how individual players prefer to structure their payment over time- upfront, during their active career and upon retirement.
That’s all.
Not judging or overthinking the team’s side of it.
Trill…
Too sane for the room.
Bivouac-Sal — Respect, homie. Game recognize game.
Since I can’t reply directly to YBC:
Of course it’s better to get as much up front as possible, for investment purposes and present value etc, but that’s never how these contracts will work.
At the same time a lot of players fully admit that they can basically live off their original rookie signing bonus and some of they arbitration salary and the free agency money is often just gravy on top of gravy on top of gravy if they aren’t dispersing it to family and charity.
And yes of course teams such as the Dodgers love to get creative with salary structures to lower their luxury tax and make annual budgets easier, like when the Nationals were more known for deferral contracts.
@Trill People smart with money will always take the lump sum. Reckless spenders will remain broke bc that backpay is going to pay off debt.
The increase of structured deferrals is a function of teams not wanting to pay higher luxury taxes. Not the players’ choice in most cases.
Not even close to correct.
So then please enlighten me baseball team owner / assistant gm / accountant / Teoscar Hernandez himself.
30 or so million in that first year can be invested and you are making $3m a year on interest.
I’m just here for the whining of Dodger haters.
Teoscar is a poor fielder and sure had good production at the plate. I feel they can get the production from Andy Pages who’s young and better fielder, now got no playing time unless there injuries.
@stu
Barring more action from Friedman, I see Pages platooning with Conforto.
If Taylor wins the 2B job the Dodgers’ lowest salary for the starting 10 on opening day will be Edman’s $8.3m, the only one under $10m. That won’t change until they need a fifth starting pitcher. I don’t understand how Dodger (and Met and Yankee) fans find it enjoyable to root for teams like that. Just me.
seama…
Lux will be the 2B not Taylor And Lux makes 1.225 mill
And as for it being enjoyable to be a Dodger fan…there is nothing better. I suffered through many years –decades–of the Dodgers not winning. And it was still great to be a Dodger fan. Now? It’s f-in FANTASTIC.
Every fan wants his team to put the best possible team on the field. At bottom, what they earn I couldn’t care less. The more the merrier.
But you go right on judging.
You get to cheer for a team that puts the money back on the field instead of the owner’s pockets. It’s like loving someone who loves you back, just works and feels better.
seamaholic: I’ve been a Mets fan since my first game in 1968. Rooting for them is a function of loyalty, not payroll.
Ok, I guess. Sounds more like a job or a brand than fun, to me.
seamaholic: Although you know nothing about me or the fun I’ve had as a fan.
It’s a good idea to be more open-minded and less judgmental.
Most fans don’t choose their fandom based on how much the lineup is paid.
stu
they didn’t call you before doing this deal?????
I get resigning Hernandez (although I think signing Adames and keeping Mookie in the OF would have made more sense), but Conforto makes no sense. Pages is probably better than him and needs to play everyday for his development
Pages will play plenty. Every time Betts or Lux are given a day off Edman moves to infield and Pages plays. If Conforto or Hernandez get injured or are given rest he will play. Every time Lux or Conforto are pinch hit for a righty bat he will play. Whenever Roberts decides to overload the lineup with right handed bats he will play.
jabronie
2024 stats
Pages vs lefties: .917 OPS. vs righties ..647
.520 slug vs lefties. .370 vs righties.
oddly Conforto had better splits vs lefties than vs righties.
anyhow I see them in a platoon
Man if I was in the players union I would really want to check the Dodgers books.
The shear volume of their deferrals seems very bizarre to me.
Why is it that all of the other teams aren’t just doing the same thing as the Dodgers?
Rogers probably could have offered Ohtani a billion dollars in deferrals to go to Toronto.
Other teams aren’t even entertaining deferrals even just to get under the tax, but the Dodgers are doing it all of the time and in plain site.
Makes entirely no sense to me and feels like it is going to implode on itself at any moment.
Also, worrying is that no other teams are calling the Dodgers out.
No sympathy for any player if this goes south.
@golfsucks
“Makes entirely no sense to me”
that is apparent
Other teams do deferrals as well, the Dodgers just do them more (with Ohtani really skewing the numbers).
I got another one right! Now I have 6 correct picks. On my way to being the champion!
watch out York. The haters will come after you next.
Good for Teoscar. Nice to see a player who wants to play for a specific team end up there.
All free agents can go where they want, sometimes they have to take a bit of a discount like I am sure Teoscar did but they arent forced to go to a team they dont want to play for.
Rich get richer….eventually, after deferred money
And there it is. Yet another deal the Red Sox could and arguably should have made or topped, and didn’t. Maybe Teoacar wanted to stay in LA all along and if so I get that’s out of our control, but now what? We just let a guy who can play all 3 outfield spots and hit 30 home runs walk to a division rival and aren’t going to replace him at all?
Don’t the Dodgers owe him money from his previous deal?
Either the Mets or Dodgers (maybe both) are going to be really pissed off come World Series 2025.
Honestly, Mets don’t even have an ace. I’m not sure they’re a given for a playoff spot, let alone a World Series. We shall see.
Fantastic signing for the dollars spent. He fits well there and this contract is well below bloated expectations.
Santander looks poised to disappoint in his FA deal.
Hopefully he still gets enough to get the Os a draft pick!
Very good and logical/rational deal for both sides. Dodgers pretty much have secured themselves another World Series title in 2025 with this move, and Teo has secured himself a few more rings.
There is no guarantee on a WS title
can’t blame Shitkins on this one – Teo wanted to sign with the Dodgers and took a team friendly deal. maybe the Jays can trade for Outman. oh wait, we have no pieces that the Dodgers would want….
Re-signing Teo n adding Snell, Dodgers are better than they were last season. Roki wants to play for winner, sacrificing millions n millions by being posted early to do so, this has gota sweetin the LA sales pitch. Plus he sees how this organization takes care of there own.
I’d be wary of Snell.
They better be putting away money for these deferrals. Once their TV contract ends after 2038 they will be taking a big time cut in that revenue stream. Cable TV will likely not even exist anymore.
What’s the O/U on LAD season win total?
I’m setting it at 108. That may seem aggressive, but with the return of two way Ohtani and the addition of Snell to round out the leagues top rotation, there is no reason they shouldn’t win 2 out of every 3 games.
This contract and the others the Dodgers and other big spenders might make more fans show up for the Rockies,La Angels ,Pirates and Oakland( whatever team name they go by) series.Just to see if they have a shot of taken the divison each year.
Dang, was hoping the Reds would have swooped him on that 3yr 66M. He could have been a nice pairing with Elly at GABP
Of course the Reds would have probably had to go with a higher AAV. More like 3yr/72 with opt outs
Deferring money should not be allowed to circumvent the cap
But then he would have had to play, not to mention live, in Cincinnati.
Have you ever driven in LA?
that’s all you got?
Ever wonder why there are so many people, so many cars, so much money in LA?
‘Cause it’s not Cincinnati.
And for the record I don’t live there. My team does.
I have mixed emotions. I like Teo, he’s a great teammate and he contributed mightily to last year’s championship. He was great in the clubhouse on a team that was as united as any you’ll ever see in the MLB. I’m happy for him, he got paid fairly.
As a Dodgers fan, I think three years was too much. I felt 2 years and $55 million would have been better. He’s 32, I doubt we will see the Teo we saw last year ever again.
Mookie is 32. Aaron Judge is 32. Manny Machado is 32. What a decrepit bunch.
It behooves me the Detroit Tigers should ever worry about losing a draft pick or a comp draft pick……..
Have the draft results really been anything to brag about?
A non-issue that is another excuse = NOT TO SPEND MONEY.
We are loaded for a repeat
We will see. Money got you 2024, but no guarantee on a repeat
It’s 100% guaranteed they will repeat with Burnes out in Baltimore officially there is no one within a country mile of the Dodgers despite whatever YourDreamGM or another one of these baseball dummies trying to US Army their way into your pocketbook says
Pretty much figured this. The Red Sox being involved was once again fake news
Dodgers will be in trouble when they have to pay all that deferred money
Try paying attention. It’s been explained over and over again to those with any middle school reading comprehension. The return on the investment of the deferral money in escrow will have more than paid for the debts when due.
And *throws up in mouth*