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This one belongs to the Reds
Hope they bring Givens back to Cincinnati. Better late inning option than Sims.
But this is the same team who sent Moll, a lefty, to the minors and kept Sims around to stink up the joint.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Mike ford 3rd stint in Seattle incoming?
temporary DH platoon with garver?
Lloyd Emerson
Now that the baseball season is 20.062% over…
Well Hung
Mike Ford future star of a weekend men’s softball league
Trojan Toss
Most honest team in sports because they admitted to the low level “cheating” (debatable) and completely made up for it. Way more than made up for it. Meanwhile, every other team continues much much higher level cheating to this day, all while lying about it. Best organization in MLB. Best and most underrated stadium/fanbase/city/history in all of international sports.
The next time they’re called the “Trashtros” or theres any reference to “cheating” theres going to be a problem
whyhayzee
The Astros could NEVER even remotely approach the Yankees despicable behavior which has gone on for decades. Numerous PED users with massive contracts, numerous law breakers, some of them thankfully in jail, numerous players who have no qualms about cheating (Error in Judgement, throw up your hand, loser) and an endless list of crybabies, when in fact the umpires consistently favor them over every other team. Plus a fan base that has thrown more objects on the field than every other franchise combined. But other than that, hey, they’re great.
dasit
like every other team in the sport the yankees have employed PED users and awful human beings (chad curtis) but they’re not some type of organized crime outfit as you seem to believe
whyhayzee
Did I say organized?
Like a corporation that only cares about making money, the Yankees only care about winning.
Lewis Black said it quite well, “Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Exxon to raise their gas prices.”
When you set an objective without any regard to any other issues, you operate completely without any morals whatsoever.
Quietest Nihilist
Solid trolling (or unabashed stupidity). The only way they can even come close to “making up for it” is to admit the 2017 season was a sham and give back the WS trophy. This will not happen.
Regarding the whole “everyone else was doing it, they just singled out the Astros because reasons” is still comical. Haven’t seen a shred of evidence that the vast majority (if not all teams as you say) were using the same level of systematic and intricate cheating. Or are using it to this day.
Players admitted it because they were granted immunity, not out of the goodness of their hearts or to clear their conscience. And even then, excuses and incoherent rationalizations were the themes. You are right in that it’s a great stadium.
TLDR: Please disregard username1’s post.
Old York
@Bravos ATL9521
If you want teams to return trophies, I’d suggest all of the teams return them as they’ve had various forms of cheaters throughout the years. All those years of pitchers with sticky stuff cheating? Or PED users filling up rosters while actually talented players are left in the minors? MLB is on the same level of professionalism as the WWE.
Quietest Nihilist
The difference being this was a full team effort, whether all the players in the dugout utilized this tactic or not. There couldn’t have been a single player that didn’t know what was going on. And seeing something and not doing anything still makes them culpable. This extended to the FO and the workplace culture in place during the Luhnow era.
Regardless, steroids/spider tack seems to be an apples to oranges comparison to the Astros. Don’t think it’s a good argument to use or even relates to this kind of team cheating. If you can make a strong argument that’s fine. Tbh I don’t care either way, I’m talking about the Astros unique situation.
Old York
@Bravos ATL9521
My point is, throughout the years, teams and players have used various manners to get an advantage. How good were some of those PED players if they weren’t actually doing it? And it was throughout the MLB not just 1 or two players. That helps teams win games and championships. Having more control over your pitches also helps teams win games and championships. Just because you don’t want to acknowledge that teams benefited from cheating doesn’t mean they should keep the trophies.
Ronk325
Wow, The Onion couldn’t even write satire this good and of course you drew the attention of the biggest goof on this site
Steinbrenner2728
TheOpener’s new alt. Remember when TheOpener used to spam “The next time they’re called the “Trashtros” or theres any reference to “cheating” theres going to be a problem” on every article last year? Username1 is his new account, MLBTR doesn’t ban people apparently, but just so people are aware who to mute now.
Guard the Vogt
Found the main Trashstros
User 3180623956
The whole “everyone else was doing it“ argument is the excuse a five year old would make. It not a valid excuse for them and it’s certainly not one for a group of grown men. The fans who use that excuse are even more pathetic.
whyhayzee
I remember when the Red Sox were punished for sign stealing. Supposedly, they were using a TV to get the catcher’s sign, decoding it, sending a sign to the runner on second base, who then signaled the batter. All this somehow transpired in the time between the pitcher nodding for the sign and throwing the pitch. Banging on something makes a whole lot more sense when you realize how little time is involved. But the whole thing is absurd and just a ridiculous attempt by baseball to show that they’re actually doing something about cheating. All that baseball has ever done about cheating is a sham.
C Yards Jeff
Not “everyone else was doing it”. It’s “everyone else was doing it, is doing it now and will always be doing it”.
drasco036
I’m fairly confident that baseball fully encouraged sign stealing by choosing to ignore/not punish it.
I would find it very unlikely that the White Sox didn’t make a formal complaint to the league given their pitcher(s) on the mound threw their hands up in the middle of the game after hearing the signal. So the league “not knowing” the Astros were cheating, unlikely. The Yankees also complained openly about the Astros stealing signs.
It’s just like the “steroid era”, baseball didn’t care. Contrarily, they encouraged it.
Manfred, since day one, has been looking for ways to increase offense. I believe he was perfectly happy with turning a blind eye in hopes the fans would never find out.
whyhayzee
And it’s just great watching all the pitchers blow their arms out trying to compete with Manfrud and Sellig and the Olympic Shyster Uberoff and Bowie Kohn’s Chicks Dig the Long Ball mentality.
PaulyMidwest
Came to see where ppl think the relievers will end up and find ppl defending the Astros for no apparent reason. Ridiculous bait to get ppl arguing. I would like to see the cubs grab one of the relievers.
Deleted Userr
#freeBauer2024
User 3180623956
What? Are you in a Mexican jail or something?