Pitchers and catchers reported to camp for the Orioles today, but report date has brought unwelcome news for O’s fans. General manager Mike Elias announced to the team’s beat writers this morning that right-hander Kyle Bradish has been diagnosed with a sprained ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow (X link via Danielle Allentuck of the Baltimore Banner). He’s already received a platelet-rich plasma injection and will begin a throwing progression tomorrow, but he’ll open the season on the injured list.
Elias also revealed that Gunnar Henderson is behind schedule due to an oblique injury that’ll still need another two to three weeks of downtime, though the team isn’t concerned that he’ll miss much, if any time. Top catching prospect Samuel Basallo, meanwhile, has a stress fracture in his throwing elbow and will be limited to DH work in camp. He could begun throwing again by late April (X link via the Banner’s Andy Kostka). In even more injury news, lefty John Means is about a month behind the rest of the O’s starters, as the team had him delay the start of his offseason program after an elbow flare-up prior to last year’s ALDS (via Jacob Calvin Meyer of the Baltimore Sun).
The Bradish injury is a brutal blow for the defending AL East champions, who saw the right-hander emerge as their clear No. 1 starter in a breakout performance last season. The 27-year-old Bradish made 30 starts and pitched 168 2/3 innings with a 2.83 ERA, 25% strikeout rate, 6.6% walk rate and 49.2% ground-ball rate. He’d been expected to open the season as Baltimore’s No. 2 starter behind newly acquired ace Corbin Burnes, but that clearly won’t happen now.
The injury occurred when Bradish began throwing in January, Elias added (X link via Meyer). The GM struck an optimistic tone, noting that “everything is pointing in the right direction” for the talented right-hander.
Still, any UCL injury for a pitcher is going to be met with immense levels of both trepidation and caution, given the potential for Tommy John surgery. The O’s, to be clear, have made no mention that a Tommy John procedure is a consideration at the moment — but a sprain, by definition, involves some degree of tearing in the ligament. We’ve seen plenty of pitchers diagnosed with a UCL sprain avoid surgery in recent years (Aaron Nola, Ervin Santana, Anthony DeSclafani to name a few), but the majority of UCL injuries eventually result in surgery of some kind. Again, that outcome hasn’t yet been broadcast by the team, and Bradish will clearly hope to add his name to the list of pitchers who’ve managed to rest/rehab a ligament injury without going under the knife.
With Bradish and Means both likely to begin the year on the injured list, Baltimore’s rotation outlook is radically altered. Burnes is surely still penciled in to take the ball on Opening Day, and he’ll presumably be followed by righties Grayson Rodriguez and Dean Kremer. The final two spots on the staff are far less certain. Options on the 40-man roster include righties Tyler Wells and Jonathan Heasley as well as lefties Cole Irvin and Bruce Zimmermann. Wells’ success as a starter early in the ’23 season and Irvin’s track record in Oakland could give them a leg up in what will presumably be a spring competition.
That said, it was already arguable that the O’s could benefit from an aggressive push to further bolster the starting staff, and uncertainty regarding their No. 2 starter and Means, their former top starter (prior to Tommy John surgery) will only rekindle speculation. Top free agents like Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery remain unsigned, and the free-agent market also has several solid back-of-the-rotation veterans, including Michael Lorenzen and Hyun Jin Ryu. Trade candidates like Dylan Cease, Shane Bieber, Jesus Luzardo, Edward Cabrera and Braxton Garrett have not changed hands this winter. If the club is more pessimistic about Bradish’s injury than has been let on thus far, there’s an uncommonly large supply of potential reinforcements to consider.
Obviously, any additions will require further spending, whether financial or in terms of prospect capital (or both). But the Orioles are generally well positioned to make some kind of addition, should they find a deal to their liking. The team’s long-term payroll outlook is pristine, with only $1MM in guarantees on the books beyond the current season. Their projected 2024 payroll (per Roster Resource) is just $96MM — nearly $70MM shy of the franchise-record mark for Opening Day payroll. And even after trading Joey Ortiz and DL Hall to acquire Burnes, the O’s are still ranked by both Kiley McDaniel of ESPN and Keith Law of The Athletic as the game’s No. 1 farm system.
Chuck from Uniontown
That sucks. Baseball is back.
roob
Dylan Cease just bought his plane ticket.
Ra
I hope!
Cincyfan85
Bummer. Sucks for Orioles fans.
Cincyfan85
They should consider Michael Lorenzen. He could start or come out of the bullpen. Give them some innings.
vaderzim
Could even hit a home run in the highly unlikely event that he gets an AB.
I.M. Insane
He could pinch hit or even DH on occasion. I always felt that someone should have offered Carlos Zambrano a second career as a DH.
dankyank
If they sign Lorenzen, I think he makes the most sense in a 6 man rotation with either Wells or Irvin, depending on who’s hot. The first two wore down under higher workloads last year so their best bet might be managing everyone’s innings.
Os1995
I’ve been saying Wells should be in a 6 man rotation for a while. He has had below a 3.2 ERA in the first half of the last 2 years but has fallen apart in the second half due to fatigue. It looks like Wells body can’t handle the typical workload of a starter but maybe the extra rest in a 6 man rotation could help him make it through the year.
Rexhudler86
What about woodruff his agent was saying he would be ready by July
vaderzim
A great mid-season return, plus it would reunite the law-firm of Woodruff and Burnes.
dankyank
That’s because his agent is a pathological liar who makes a commission when Woodruff signs a contract.
Rexhudler86
They do check medicals before they sign, my guess is he’s waiting til he’s ready his price will go up.
dankyank
There’s a 12 to 14 months rehab timeframe for anterior capsule surgery, which Woodruff received on October. There isn’t a single GM stupid enough to pay him for 2024 because he’ll never see the mound.
dankyank
*On October 13th.
Rexhudler86
Everything I see says could miss most of the 2024. Either way was suggesting he could be a interesting mid season pickup.
Ra
I thumbsed you, but rumor is the Cubs might sign Hendriks.
bullred
I think your underestimating some Gm’s stupidity.
D-Nice
If I were an Orioles fan and couldn’t get another ace,I’d go with Ryu.
Ra
I was thinking Ryu all Winter and still thought it a possibility even after the Burnes trade. Seems even more probable now.
Ra
Not a believer in Lorenzen. But they might not have an alternative.
HalosHeavenJJ
That sucks.
Dotnet22
That’s a bad way to start the year.
schwender
Blake Snell come on down
StusFirstDollar
TJ in 3.. 2.. 1..
King Floch
Ugh.
Thank God for Tyler Wells.
Thornton Mellon
Let’s hope for a better option coming. Wells hard hit ball rate is incredibly worrisome for a soft tosser and it reminds me of Jeff Ballard a lot. His stats could be a huge illusion. We all remember what happened to Ballard in 1989, it was great, but we also remember what happened to Ballard in 1990.
King Floch
Wells has performed pretty well (heh) as a starter the last 2 years.
I am fine with him as the 4th or 5th starter until the deadline (although an outside addition like Ryu or Clevinger would be good too).
Os1995
Wells performs really well until his arm falls off mid season. His first half ERA as a starter has been great the last 2 years then he falls off a cliff. Maybe the O’s are hoping Bradish will be back by mid season? I’d like them to go get Ryu at least because you never know with these injuries, he could be back in April or he could miss the whole year. It’s really impossible to tell from the information we are provided as fans.
Arnoldpsufan
Wells a soft tosser?
Ra
Dude who claimed that is a moron.
AE86
Ballard spoke of what happened to him. In 1989 he went back to using his curveball more so than he had before. He blew out his elbow in 1990 and couldn’t throw the curve anymore, and when he could, it wasn’t nearly as effective.
dankyank
Cole Irvin looks like a bounceback candidate. This hurts, but the #5 starter will still be adequate, at worst.
King Floch
Yeah, he’s another viable 5th SP option. His awful start last year that got him demoted skewed his overall 2023 stats a bit, but he was mostly very good after he was recalled from AAA.
Ubaldo Jimenez
He was outright masterful against the Mariner’s on Felix Hernandez induction night. M’s fans were livid.
BrianStrowman9
This is a blow to the bullpen too though. I was counting on Wells’ production. I think we need to add a pitcher. Either a starter or a reliever at this point.
D-Nice
Ryu.
Ra
Basically no good FA relievers available (Ryne Stanek?) unless they convert an SP to a reliever role.
Ra
Irvin pitched well after returning from a minors stint. And he’s proven to be durable
Ra
The stupidest comment today is TM saying Wells is like Jeff Ballard. Not even close. Wells had a 9.0 K/9 last year, strongly in league average among SPs. He hits 95 mph. Ballard was one of the lowest k/9 starters in the 80’s at 2.8 K/9 – that’s around the lowest of all-time. Catchers never even put down the index finger.
Dude, if you don’t know the players from watching them, at least look up their stats before making inane, ignorant comments.
LordTeaboBaggins
And with that, I just died a little bit inside. Seriously though, I hope Bradish’s injury will recover with only this, and he doesn’t need TJ…
Old York
@LordTeaboBaggins
Not really possible to die a little bit inside. Maybe it’s just that you felt a bit disappointed about this news.
bhambrave
Wow
filihok
Hahaha
Serves the choker evil empire Orioles right
101 regular season wins. 0 postseason wins. Lulz
Then, tried to buy a championship with Burnes.
/How idiots talking about the Dodgers sound
This sucks for Bradish, the Orioles and baseball
oldgfan
Start out with ha ha ha
End with fake “this sucks”
Muted
MLB Top 100 Commenter
So perhaps the deal for Burnes was only made knowing the possibility that Bradish will be unavailable?
RegularEd 2
I took the OP as being satirical with that post. Talking about how idiot posters take glee with injuries on traditionally powerful teams and how now the Orioles are ascendant it will happen to them now too.
Gwynning
You sound more like SpecialEd with a take like that…
RegularEd 2
Nice. Pretty original too.
Gwynning
It was sitting there on a tee, I just had to. Cheers Ed
MrSeptember
Tool confirmed. Muted
filihok
MrS
A tool is something that helps in the completion of a task
I’m trying to help complete the task of showing people how dumb their comments are
So, thank you for the compliment
vtadave
What does it mean to be called a tool?
a foolish person
Tool refers to a foolish person. Tool is an internet slang term that refers to an insecure person, usually male, who is controlled by others.
Smelly_Cobb
So sad that people don’t like the doyers ;_(
filihok
SC
“So sad that people don’t like the doyers ;_(”
Weird thing to say. Why?
What’s sad is that people are so intellectually bereft they have to resort to these dumb kinds of comments.
They don’t like the Dodgers? Fine. Go beat them. Or be disappointed when you don’t.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Your original comment was pretty dumb so what does that make you?
StusFirstDollar
Yankee Bleacher Creature calling someone dumb. 2024 full circle
filihok
SFD
“Yankee Bleacher Creature calling someone dumb. 2024 full circle”
I have them muted.
Reminds me of Plato’s cave allegory. When he talks about the people looking at shadows on the wall thinking the guy who went to look out the window was crazy.
Some people are so dumb they think smart people are the dumb ones
See also Dunning-Kruger
YankeesBleacherCreature
Keep using multiple user accounts to thumbs up your own comments? You’re such a weirdo, man. Boring and predictable.
MC Tim C
The Orioles buying one player compared to the Dodgers buying their entire team is a terrible comparison.
Gwynning
And the Orioles didn’t really “buy” a player, they traded for an Ace. Dodgers bought Ohtani, period.
filihok
Hey
Copium
The choker Orioles tried to use their resources to improve their team, just like the Dodgers did. And the baseball gods smited Bradish for it.
IL don’t lie
/dumb baseball fan logic
filihok
McTC
Learn something about baseball Tim
Will Smith, Gavin Lux, Outman, Muncy, Taylor, Kershaw, Miller, Sheehan, Philips, etc all the result of the Dodger development system.
Quit making up lies to support your jealousy
Mickey Solis
You named just about every single homegrown player. The rest are purchased ringers and your owner can keep spending by overcharging for tickets at the worst stadium in baseball. LA bought its title and now we all have to live with it because the economics of MLB are a disgrace. Congrats to you.
MC Tim C
Muncy was drafted by Oakland and made his MLB debut with them last time I checked. Maybe you should learn something about your own team?
The majority of the Dodgers best players – Betts, Freeman, Ohtani, Yamamoto, Glasnow, Muncy and Hernandez, were not homegrown.
filihok
McT’
And be sucked with them
The Dodgers developed him. Which is that I said
Muted
AE86
They traded for a 1 year rental. He’s a FA at the end of 2024, and it isn’t likely he will sign long term with the Orioles. I mean, with a new ownership group, perhaps things would change in that department.
filihok
Venn diagram: people who refer to the Dodgers as “chokers”, people getting bent out of shape about it being pointed out the Orioles didn’t win a playoff game last year, and people who get bent out of shape when it’s pointed out that the DBackd KOST the world series
LordTeaboBaggins
@filihok
You had me in the first half.. XD
Ra
Do you not understand the difference between trading for a player like Burnes and “trying to buy a championship” through signing Free Agents. No, obviously you don’t.
filihok
Ra
No. Because there’s no difference. It’s acquiring players to improve the team
Halo11Fan
Sorry to read that.
But with every gem he pitches, the Dylan Bundy trade becomes more and more painful.
Angel fans are in enough pain.
acoss13
I think the Orioles might want to kick the tires on Clevinger and Ryu, they’d be affordable starters, because you never know with the elbow, it’s best to plan ahead for a team clearly in win-now mode. Good luck to him and hopefully he can rehab it…
For Love of the Game
You can never have too much pitching, especially given the Orioles’ bat-heavy prospect list.
Susannah
You can have too much pitching. Bad pitching is still pitching. Correct saying should be you cannot have too much good pitching. 🙂
Big whiffa
The orioles can apparently. They only want just barely enough pitching. Odds are they saw this coming before the burnes trade
Wagner>Cobb
They should probably focus on someone who offers reliable innings, so I think Clevinger would be ideal here.
Ra
Elias would not touch Clevinger with a ten-foot pole. He prioritizes high character players.
stymeedone
The allegations had no merit, and MLB took no action, and they take action for anything.
Ra
MLB took no action … except for SUSPENDING Bauer. You really weren’t paying attention to this or the multiple allegations of battery, were you?
James Midway
There are still some decent SP out there. That really sucks.
Gwynning
Yes I hope Bradish can rehab quickly and put this behind him. UCL stuff suckssss
O'sSayCanYouSee
NOOOOO!!!! That’s totally un-dude.
Time to sign Montgomery to a 1 year, crazy AAV.
filihok
Oscys
Here’s an article suggesting that a one year deal for Blake Snell would need to be at least $55 million.
blogs.fangraphs.com/what-if-blake-snell-asked-for-…
I’d think it’d need to be more like $70
Not happening either way, but an interesting thought exercise
Old York
Good reason that we need robots playing baseball. Players nowadays too fragile and are always getting injured.
RegularEd 2
Go get Cease.
King Floch
Chris Getz doesn’t actually intend to trade Dylan Cease.
cwsOverhaul
KF: You know better than that. Getz rightly wanted Westburg as the headliner for 2yrs of cheap control on Cease. That ship has sailed. They can pay Clevinger or whoever. The agents of FA leftovers are waiting for these unfortunate annual injuries to occur since ultimately they have leverage to not accept lowball offers in February. Starter demand is much higher than supply.
Ubaldo Jimenez
And YOU know better than that. Getz is out of his mind.
King Floch
Getz’s insane reported asking price and the fact that Cease is still in Chi-Town on February 15th despite the huge number of suitors who inquired about him this offseason indicates that CG was never particularly serious about moving him.
BrianStrowman9
Think a call down to Miami to inquire about one of their 3 available arms is warranted
cwsOverhaul
No, his stance is actually quite rational. Insisting on a legit headliner that is either a ready/near ready well-rounded position player OR a starter that’s likely ready by ’25 is what makes sense. It was the former in case of O’s given system depth. A Swiss army knife IF or high leverage BP arm is not how to rebuild with trade assets having 2yrs of cheap control.
King Floch
None of the other dozen or so teams that inquired about Cease made the move either, which strongly implies that it was a Getz issue and not a market issue.
Ubaldo Jimenez
Another CWS fan ignores reality. Shocker. Hilarious to hear your couch GM stance on Elias’ trade for Burnes as if you know better… LOL. No CWS anybody should be lecturing Elias or any O’s fan about how to do a rebuild. Too ironic.
King Floch
I don’t care to get into a p*ssing contest about X team’s fans are worse than Y team’s fans for reason Z here, my point was simply that the Orioles were far from the only team that spoke to Getz about Cease and ultimately said “nevermind.”
Big Hurt
There’s no ‘issue’, King. Getz rightfully asked for a ton, knowing that things like this would happen between December and the ’24 trade deadline, so he is waiting for 1 of 2 things – 1) A miracle happens and the Sox are relevant, at which point you keep him or 2) A team like the Orioles start out slow and/or have an injury or two, and panic – giving him his asking price.
We will know on August 1 if he over played his hand or is a genius.
cwsOverhaul
Thorpe is about the only really good headliner prospect that was dealt this offseason to rent Soto. The buyers are paying big $ so far for very dicey FAs to avoid losing any prospect that truly hurts via trade. Nothing wrong with that, but it explains why no one has yet pried he or the Marlins starters loose.
cwsOverhaul
The trade for renting Burnes was a good win-win. Elias is great at his job! The pieces going back just didn’t make sense for 2yrs of Cease in slowly fixing their mess. WSox need to add a high floor everyday player with star “potential” or starter (as opposed to max effort thrower)to likewise be a win-win.
BrianStrowman9
I believe DL hall was the best prospect pitcher that changed hands this off-season. Regardless of his ultimate role. Thorpe profiles as a #3 at his ceiling w/ a #4 role being the more likely outcome. Hall has a chance that he could be a TOR guy but I’d personally take an elite reliever over a #4 starter. Which I believe is each prospects most likely outcome.
Obviously if Thorpe hits the ceiling a DL becomes a step down from where I think he’s going to be as a reliever—that’ll be a wrong assessment.
stymeedone
That Cease is still with the CWS indicates a lack of ability by Getz to get the job done. His value gets lower every day. Its not that he isn’t serious about trading him, its that he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
stymeedone
So what has more value? A starting pitcher with 2yrs of control, or a starting pitcher with less than two years of control? Don’t look at Chris’ paper for your answer.
Big Hurt
Stymee – you are quite simplistic in your approach. Value is determined by a number of factors, including the years of control remaining of course. But also, because Cease pitched MUCH better in ’22, it’s possible teams want to see how he looks in ’24. As more teams came off the board and there were fewer teams remaining in the bidding, competition reduced and so did his ‘in the moment’ value. That will greatly increase if he pitches well and as teams have injury/panic/unexpected events.
The people who wanted to Sox to get rid of one of their 2 big pieces for a six-pack and a bag of balls just to say they got something are just as bad as those who think they should hold out for Jackson Holliday (exaggeration).
Hurricane Sandy
So weird that a team like this wouldn’t be trying sign Jordan Montgomery right now. They are bona fide World Series contenders and a signing like that could make all the difference. A lot of teams invested in a losers mentality right now in my opinion.
Ra
Have to figure there are still ~ 10 teams interested in Montgomery. I don’t believe it is as easy as “sing that guy” when it comes to established FAs.
theathlete
Sign Trevor Bauer. If new ownership plans to spend, then go after Snell as well.
gbs42
They need a good pitcher, not a guy who was mid in NPB last year and would be a PR nightmare.
Ubaldo Jimenez
Oh yeah, great for team morale /s
Ra
Elias would never sign a guy like Bauer. Character is a major part of the calculus when choosing Orioles and Bauer fails Elias’ test.
just_thinkin
Elias has known for over a month, so it doesn’t seem like a panic sign for Montgomery or Snell is in the cards, or it would have probably happened by now.
Maybe Lorenzen?
AE86
Could be he is just waiting for the market to settle right now. Montgomery’s market doesn’t seem to be a boiling tea kettle at the moment.
Troy Percival's iPad
How does anyone show up to Spring Training halfway to TJS. Him and Kenley Jansen. Neither has done anything this year except stretch in a hoodie and sweatpants on some back-of-facility training field….
RunDMC
This doesn’t just happen…it’s being revealed now as they are reporting and the constant eyes of the press are now on them. If they don’t see a Cy hopeful out there, stories will start that they’ll need to shut down. Most of these guys are still having throwing sessions during the offseason.
JRamHOF
Yeah. This team still needs a closer and a controllable starter.
Gwynning
I assumed they signed Kimbrel to close?
Os1995
That’s the current plan. I’m not sure it’s a good plan, but it is a plan.
Realistically I see Norby being flipped for a rental reliever at the deadline if Kimbrel isn’t working out.
Ubaldo Jimenez
They did. Dude just doesn’t know anything.
JRamHOF
Sure, they may have intend to have Kimbrel close, but they shouldn’t, especially in the playoffs. Heck I’d rather see them use Cano than Kimbrel.
Ubaldo Jimenez
… no.
JRamHOF
Sounds like you didn’t watch the 2023 playoffs, or the 2016 playoffs given your username
Ubaldo Jimenez
… dumb.
slowcurve
Trevor Bauer has entered the chat
gbs42
They need a good pitcher, not a guy who was mid in NPB last year and would be a PR nightmare.
Ra
No Bauer has not entered the chat for the Orioles Less than 1% chance Elias would sign a player like him with character problems.
Wagner>Cobb
Disastrous.
LordD99
98% of the time ends in TJS. Might as well give it a shot to see if he can avoid surgery, but he’ll likely be undergoing the knife within two months.
dbrooks22
And so it begins. Hate this for the O’s and hope for the best.
cincinnatikid
Maybe offer either Blake snell or Jordan Montgomery 3 yr contract at 30 million a season. It would give either pitcher especially snell a shot at a World Series with a contending team
For Love of the Game
I don’t think 3 and 30 gets it done with either pitcher.
gbs42
For 3 years, Snell would want about $120M with opt-outs after the first and second years, similar to Correa’s deal. Monty would be around $105M.
just_breathe
Ownership in limbo/transition make it very difficult to sign someone else?
gbs42
Ownership transition didn’t stop them from dealing for Burnes. Current and new owners can talk.
Ra
If anything, the sale enabled the trade of Burnes.
Rsox
Not to any pitchers on a year deal. As the article states the O’s basically have no big money commitments beyond this season and have room to spend so regardless of the ownership situation they can do something
dankyank
I highly doubt the Orioles splurge on Snell on Montgomery when they took the relative bargain in Burnes for $15 million.
Frankly, they probably stand pat. Irvin was very good after brutal start to 2023. He’s a quality bounceback candidate and Lorenzen is hardly a guaranteed upgrade.
Liberalsteve
God doesn’t exist
Wagner>Cobb
Incorrect.
Ra
Prove it.
Wagner>Cobb
What would you accept as proof?
Ra
Since you are the one making the claim, I will leave it up to you to provide proof.
Wagner>Cobb
It’s a relevant question though, since oftentimes an atheist demands material “evidence” and scoffs with comments like “flying spaghetti monster” or “evil sky daddy”.
Ra
You said, “incorrect.” That’s a statement, not a question. The onus is on you, since you made the claim. You would not have made that assertion if you couldn’t back it up, right?
Wagner>Cobb
You misunderstand me. I’m not avoiding the burden of proof. I’m trying to figure out if this conversation will be worth the effort. No offense to you in particular (because I don’t know you) but in my experience many online atheists descend into sophistry on this topic of discussion. I don’t find those discussions worth the effort because the other party isn’t interested in a real conversation and instead wants to troll.
Ra
Theists and atheists both descend into sophistry on this topic.
You said “incorrect” that “God does not exist.” I asked you to back up your claim. I can’t tell you “how” to prove it. It’s your decision whether you want to prove your assertion.
Wagner>Cobb
I do agree that there is often sophistry on both sides.
For me, I am convinced of God’s existence by the complexity of design and that a natural law visibly governs our existence rather than descends into absurdity. Moreover, the Cosmological argument is very persuasive as well, and I think suffices as “proof” insofar as we can have proof for anything.
Ra
I would think that what you are describing is referred to as “faith,” not “proof.” The natural law and cosmology basis seems to be an argument for a non-sentient god. What qualifies as “god” for one person may vary for others. I have heard people insist that god does indeed have a long white beard, dick and balls and sits on a throne … because, they claim, it is “proven” in their scriptures.
PS: the person to whose post you replied is a recognized troll on this site. Probably best not to feed the trolls.
Wagner>Cobb
I see where you’re coming from. But I think the framing of some things as “proof” and others as “faith” is somewhat arbitrary and presumes a classical liberal framework. Perhaps you in particular aren’t making the following point, but in my experience, people who try to delineate a separation between faith and proof do so because they see the intangible as “not real” because it is intangible. This goes back to one of my earlier questions, but basically if the assertion is that “real must be tangible” then we are operating within a classical liberal framework of the world that I would say, is not universal in the way that it claims. Moreover, the fact that anyone would even assert that there can be a distinction between “faith” and “proof” is a truth claim, which is to say a claim of objective reality. And, that claim is by natural intangible. So the classical liberal framework really does not logically hold up to its own standards but must instead rely upon the basis of a theistic worldview.
Os1995
I’m going to choose to be in denial of this news and believe he will come back healthy in mid April and the Orioles will sign Montgomery to provide stability,
Sigh, realistically Ryu or Lorenzen should be expecting a call.
BrianStrowman9
Lorenzen seems like the best fit if a trade isn’t worked out. He’s used to operating as a starter & reliever. Hopefully, he won’t be needed in the rotation all season long.
Os1995
I agree, I wanted them to bring Lorenzen in for depth prior to this move for that very reason. I only want Ryu over Lorenzen if the FO is pretty sure Bradish isnt coming back.
scruffmcgruff
Damn that hurts, still some options out there that we could bring in if they didn’t want to rush any younger guys or get creative with their relief corps. Wells is certainly capable of starting, whether he has the ability to do it over a full season is the only question.
B Thomas
Keep hugging those prospects!
BrianStrowman9
Pretty poor timing when 2 were just dealt.
Ra
Proving to everyone you know nothing about baseball. B Thomas.
n2thecards
Lorenzen, Ryu or Clevinger could be a prudent signing. Any of those 3 might be open to a 1 yr deal. It wouldn’t hurt to have depth even once Bradish is back.
Ra
Elias would never sign Clevinger nor Bauer because of their low character.
Rsox
Lorenzon on a one year deal or Cueto or Odorizzi on a minor league deal wouldn’t cost much and could bridge the gap until either Means or Bradish is ready to return
baked mcbride
Means is back full tilt.
Rsox
The article literally says Means is a month behind everyone else
baked mcbride
Yeppers. Sorry, I was going by some comments Means recently made and hadn’t read the latest.
Niekro floater
NOOOOOOOOOO !!! Hopefully, bump in the road n he stays healthy during throwing progression. Next man up !
Os1995
In theory if he experiences no setbacks he could be back by mid April since the typical treatment is 4 weeks rest then 8 weeks to ramp back up. These sprains are nasty though because what tends to happen is teams try the rest and rehab approach but the guy ends up needing TJ anyway and the player ends up missing 2 seasons instead of 1 season by holding out hope for the 12 week recovery.
getrealgone2
Yeah that’s my fear.
MacGromit
@1995
This, the most Oriole news that I could imagine. UCL, oblique and elbow issues. Bradish, Gunnar and Bassallo, they’re all just replacement level org filler, right?
Holy smokes. I don’t care what Puxatawny Phil says, I’m crawling back in my burrow till this passes. BTW, has Platelet Rich therapy *ever* worked? Seems like the snake oil from the recent “Stuff You Should Know” podcast.
Tacoshells
How are there so many injuries on the first day of camp? Teams need to keep a closer eye on players during the off-season. Who knows what they’re doing!!
Os1995
The first day of camp is just when injuries are reported to media. Many of these injuries happen during offseason workouts.
Salzilla
Man that sucks for Bradish. Hoping he gets through this without ending up needing TJ.
To the folks saying Bauer, why does anyone think teams want a PR nightmare on their hands? That’s absolutely the wrong pivot.
They do need someone though and they should go under the assumption of possibly not having Bradish longterm. It’ll be interesting to see if new ownership goes all out and gets a possible 1-1 replacement (give or take) or a one year flyer stopgap. Both types are currently available.
Ubaldo Jimenez
There is no new ownership yet. Deal hasn’t been approved.
Ra
True, but MLB is wholly behind the sale so approval has been fast-tracked. Just a matter of the signatures, which shouldn’t take long.
stymeedone
The sale doesn’t change the actual financial numbers of the team. The new owners will be working with those same numbers.
old dodger fan
Trevor Bauer for the minimum.
AE86
From a talent standpoint, you could do much, much worse.
There is a lot of baggage to go through though. He is an admitted cheater. He used a substance that he had claimed for years other starters were using, but MLB was looking the other way, so he finally decided to use it.
Of course there is the issue with the female, but he’s been cleared of that, and proven that the lady was a hoaxer and set him up.
The Orioles used to stay clear of that, but they just recently signed a guy a year or two ago that was a pariah in the game due to allegations of him being involved with a young person. So…stranger things have happened.
Ra
There are other women who have alleged the same sex abuse. It’s not just one.
Elias is not in a million years sign a low-character player lie Bauer.
Liberalsteve
lies
Ubaldo Jimenez
Silence, trollsteve
getrealgone2
Well that blows.
I.M. Insane
Maybe this will kick ownership in the behind to sign a quality pitcher.
M.C.Homer
This poor guy was drafted and traded by the Angels, but the curse will follow anywhere.
AE86
I am glad the Orioles at least decided to pull the trigger on Burnes. The news about Bradish and what we already knew about Means doesn’t instill a lot of confidence about the rotation.
Rodriguez looked to be turning the corner in the second half of last year, but now he’s the #2 man? Hopefully that trend continues because now a lot more is riding on his arm. Kremer looks like a rather solid #3.
#4 and #5 slots are usually never great on most teams. If Wells can keep up his current performance, that would be a lot better option than most teams have. Wells’ success right now is that he doesn’t get hit often, but when he does get hit, he gets hit hard.
#5 is a hodge-podge of unimpressive names. The best hope would be a return to form of Irvin. Other than that it is just bring the as many options as you can to spring, throw them up against a wall, and see what sticks. Hopefully you get some good innings out of them until Bradish and/or Means is ready to come back.
It really stinks. The one thing I have cracked on the Orioles for in the past is a reluctance to go get a top tier starter when they finally had a good team on the cusp of greatness. Now they finally trade for a legit top tier starter and….boom goes the dynamite.
AE86
I was doing some research on a former O’s comparisons for Burdick and I was trying to remember Jack Cust’s numbers….and boy what a blast from the past. Does anyone remember the O’s had Derek Lee?
AE86
*Derrek Lee*
Ra
I remember but Burdick seems more athletic than Cust or Lee.
AE86
Cust had more power and walked a lot more. Burdick can play CF and seems to have a good arm. I also wasn’t comparing him to Derrek Lee, who was a 1B.
Baseball_dude
When Baltimore traded for Corbin Burnes, I wrote in multiple posts, why are you guys so excited? That just means that one of Baltimore’s other top starters is going down with a big injury (very early on) and they’ll just be back where they started. And that wasn’t a prediction, that was a known fact.
C Yards Jeff
I was just seeing him as more expensive version of Lyles and Gibson; his addition not related to possible unknown injury to others. That said; interesting take. Thanks.
Ra
Facts are not the same as specious claims.
ASapsFables
An unfortunate development for Kyle Bradish and the Orioles could result in a fortuitous outcome for White Sox GM Chris Getz in regards to a potential Dylan Cease trade.
Goin' to Sheetz
Man, this sucks. Hopefully he won’t require surgery. In the meantime, the Os should look at adding another starter.
bobsugar84
Wells is a decent starter and so is Kremer. If he doesn’t need surgery, they should be able to get by until Bradish returns. Means starting by May maybe earlier. They’re still in ok shape but it does suck.
westcasey
Trevor Bauer to Oakland seems about the least harmful option of MLB teams.
Niekro floater
Pay em minimum amount n flip em @trade deadline. Bet he’d sign in a hot second he’s so eager 2get back into league. We’ll see if he’s really blackballed.
stymeedone
Being black balled implies that there is an agreement in the game to not sign him. The truth is his actions have made him untenable to sign. Sometimes the reason a candidate for a job did not get the job is the qualifications of the candidate, and not some conspiracy.
Liberalsteve
Why can’t you reply to GPS horrible posts?
“”Bauer was mid last year in the Japanese league” Stop lying