The Bronx Bombers’ quiet offseason has come to an abrupt end, as the Yankees and Twins have combined on a blockbuster of a five-player deal. Third baseman Josh Donaldson, infielder Isiah Kiner-Falefa, and catcher Ben Rortvedt are all heading to the Yankees, while the Twins will pick up catcher Gary Sanchez and infielder Gio Urshela. The $50MM still owed on Donaldson’s contract is being entirely absorbed by the Yankees, as per MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand. To create space on their 40-man roster, New York placed reliever Zack Britton on the 60-day injured list.
Donaldson has a five-team no-trade clause, though it isn’t known if the Yankees were one of the five clubs on his list, or if he waived his clause to head to New York. The Yankees will pay a $2MM assignment bonus due to the trade, and in being moved, the $16MM club option on Donaldson for 2024 now becomes a mutual option with a $6MM buyout, rather than an $8MM buyout.
This gigantic deal creates a shakeup on the rosters of both clubs, and ends Kiner-Falefa’s Minnesota tenure after just one day. The Twins only acquired Kiner-Falefa from the Rangers for Mitch Garver on Saturday, but now the former Gold Glover has been flipped as part of a much bigger deal that sees the Twins move a major salary off their books. Another flip doesn’t appear to be forthcoming, as The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal says the Twins plan to use Sanchez behind the plate.
After a winter of speculation about how the Yankees would address their infield, the Bronx Bombers have now installed Donaldson as their new everyday third baseman and Kiner-Falefa as their new shortstop. (New York was linked to IKF earlier this winter, so the team has finally landed him even after his brief stopover in Minnesota.) DJ LeMahieu may float between first and second base, sharing time with Gleyber Torres at the keystone and Luke Voit at first base. The DH spot is also a possibility to give at-bats to players, depending on how much outfield time Giancarlo Stanton can handle.
All this to be said, we certainly can’t rule out the Yankees making yet another big splash, since the team has been linked to both Freddie Freeman and Matt Olson to address first base. If either of those players are obtained, Voit would certainly look like an immediate trade candidate, and even dealing LeMahieu or Torres could be a possibility depending on what direction the Yankees wish to take.
Donaldson is no stranger to the AL East, having enjoyed some of his best years (including his 2015 MVP season) while playing with the Blue Jays from 2015-18. The 36-year-old’s production hasn’t declined much since those years in Toronto, as while injury concerns have cropped up as Donaldson has gotten deeper into his 30s, Donaldson is still a dangerous bat. The third baseman hit .247/.352/.475 with 26 homers over 543 PA with the Twins last season, and continued to post his usual elite-level hard-contact and walk rates.
Defensive metrics are mixed on Donaldson’s third base glovework, but New York is hoping that Kiner-Falefa can pick up any defensive slack on the left side of the infield. The winner of the AL Gold Glove Award as a third baseman with Texas in 2020, Kiner-Falefa has also been impressive over 1498 career innings shortstop in the view of the Defensive Runs Saved (+14) and UZR/150 (+1.7) metrics, though the Outs Above Average metric (-7) was very down on his shortstop glovework in 2021. The Fielding Bible ranked Kiner-Falefa third among all shortstops in their voting for the 2021 season.
Kiner-Falefa is controlled through two more arbitration seasons, thus essentially making him a bridge to what the Yankees hope will be their shortstop of the future. All winter long, New York has reportedly resisted getting into the hunt for the top tier of the free agent shortstop market due to the team’s belief in star prospects Anthony Volpe and Oswald Peraza. With Peraza maybe approaching his MLB debut as early as this season and Volpe perhaps coming by 2023, the Yankees wanted to retain flexibility at shortstop rather than lock themselves into a ten-year commitment to a Carlos Correa or a Corey Seager.
Rortvedt is the least famous of the five names involved in the swap, and he hit only .169/.229/.281 over his first 98 PA in the majors, all with Minnesota last season. While Rortvedt has hit better in the minors, he isn’t expected to be another Sanchez at the plate, as the Yankees seem to intend Rortvedt to platoon with Kyle Higashioka in something of a defense-first tandem. Given all the other pop in New York’s lineup, focusing on glovework behind the plate seems like a fair tradeoff, particularly since Sanchez’s defense has been a topic of controversy for years amongst Yankees fans. Again, it isn’t out of the question that the aggressive Yankees could make another move to add a more proven veteran to the catching mix.
Payroll-wise, the Yankees take on Donaldson’s $50MM, the projected $4.9MM for Kiner-Falefa’s 2022 salary, and Rortvedt’s minimum salary. Urshela’s $6.55MM salary for 2022 and Sanchez’s projected $7.9MM salary come off the books, leaving the Bombers with a luxury tax number of roughly $242.7MM (according to Roster Resource). This is well over the new $230MM tax threshold but under the “second tier” of $250MM that would trigger a stiffer financial penalty for the Yankees. The club made a point of ducking under the luxury tax line in 2021 and thus resetting its clock, so the Yankees would only have to pay a first-timer penalty of 20 percent on the overage for every dollar spent between $230MM and $250MM.
The savings are much more profound for the Twins, who get Donaldson off their books and have now freed up some longer-term payroll space. According to SKOR North’s Darren Wolfson (Twitter link), the Twins didn’t pick up Kiner-Falefa with the intention of immediately moving him again, yet the club was ultimately swayed at the Yankees’ offer to take all of Donaldson’s contract.
This isn’t to say that Minnesota is necessarily looking to tear down the roster, as much of Donaldson’s 2022 salary space has now been filled by Sanchez, Urshela, and even Sonny Gray, acquired earlier today from the Reds. After spending just under $100MM on payroll in 2021, the Twins have around $94.2MM on the books for 2022 at the moment, giving them more space for other moves if they even approach their $125MM-$131MM full season payrolls from the 2018-19 seasons.
Owner Jim Pohlad said last summer that the Twins wouldn’t be rebuilding, and while it seems as though the Twins are still firmly planning to contend in 2022, they’ve created more maneuverability for themselves in landing Sanchez (one remaining year before free agency) and Urshela (two years of control). Should things go south for the Twins in 2022 as they did in 2021, therefore, the team may be able to more cleanly pivot towards moving players at the trade deadline, and perhaps at that point consider a larger-scale rebuild.
It wasn’t long ago that Sanchez was seen as a key to the Yankees’ future, breaking out with huge power numbers that seemed to put him next in the long line of big-hitting Bronx catchers. However, Sanchez has produced average-to-mediocre numbers in three of the last four years, leading to speculation this past fall that Sanchez could even be a non-tender candidate. Clearly, hanging onto the catcher proved worthwhile for the Yankees, as they were able to make him a big trade chip in this major swap.
Between his defensive issues and his evolution into a three-true-outcomes type of player, it remains to be seen if Sanchez can find a fresh start in Minneapolis. He wouldn’t be the first player to blossom outside of the New York pressure cooker (his new teammate Gray is a prime example), and Sanchez still provides strong power and on-base numbers. Sanchez still makes plenty of hard contact, but just making that contact has been a persistent issue, as Sanchez has been one of the game’s more strikeout-prone hitters for five seasons running.
Assuming the Twins do indeed plan to keep Sanchez, he’ll pair with Ryan Jeffers (a more defensive-minded catcher) as Garver’s replacement. Elsewhere in the infield, a situation that seemed settled with Kiner-Falefa’s addition is now once again thrown up in the air.
While Urshela has some experience as a shortstop, it seems much more likely that he’ll take Donaldson’s spot at third base, as the hot corner is Urshela’s usual position and he has shown himself to be a very solid defender. Urshela basically came out of nowhere to post huge numbers for the Yankees in 2019 and 2020, quickly making himself an infield regular amidst several injuries to New York’s roster during the 2019 campaign.
However, Urshela ran into some health issues himself this past season, missing time amidst a COVID-19 outbreak in the New York clubhouse and then a left hamstring strain. This could explain Urshela’s dropoff to a modest .267/.301/.419 slash line and 14 home runs over 442 PA, while his walk and strikeout rates plummeted from their 2020 levels.
The Twins are obviously counting on rebounds from both of their new players, and there is some obvious upside to the club’s plan. Should Sanchez and Urshela return to their 2019 form, that will be more than make up for the loss of Donaldson’s bat. The scope of this deal would seem to hint that at least one notable follow-up move will be coming, as the Twins now again need to address a shortstop void that Kiner-Falefa had seemingly filled. Jorge Polanco could move back to shortstop in a pinch but the Twins prefer him as a second baseman going forward.
Since Urshela can at least handle shortstop on a part-time basis, the Twins could also opt to land another third baseman, thus allowing for an Urshela/Polanco timeshare at shortstop and a Polanco/Luis Arraez split at second base. Daniel Robertson and Tim Beckham are also in camp on minor league deals for further infield options, and infield prospect Jose Miranda’s big 2021 season has put him on the verge of his MLB debut.
ESPN’s Jeff Passan (Twitter link) was the first to report that Donaldson and Kiner-Falefa were being dealt to the Yankees, while MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reported that Sanchez and Urshela were going to Minnesota. The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal (via Twitter) reported Rortvedt’s inclusion in the trade.
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downsr30
Terrible move for the Yankees. There are players on the free agent market that are more skilled and reliable than Donaldson. Urshela could play a strong defensive SS with a much better bat than Kiner-Falefa. Fail all the way around for the Yankees.
123redsox
Ignorant. The Yankees got a steal. Donaldson is an upgrade of one hit wonder Gio and Kiner-Falefa is a gold glove shortstop who is cheap and a great stop gap for Volpe or Peraza. Gio is adequate and Sanchez is a bust of a prospect that Ks and plays bad D. And the yanks got a prospect lol
tstats
Idk man Josh has been hurt like heck. IKF can’t hit for much.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
IKF is kind of streaky. He’s not a bad hitter though. He hit over .270 last season and had good stretches where he would get hot. I would take him in a heartbeat. Plus, the Yankees were able to get rid of Sanchez
alwaysgo4two
Donaldson’s calfs will never survive the season. Hope that they have a good backup 3b deal coming up.
Rsox
LeMahieu
KnicksFanCavsFan
@always They survived 135 games last year.
Rsox
@KnicksFanCavsFan
To be fair, Donaldson DH’d 34 times last year and Pinch Hit 9 times. He only played 93 games at 3B last season
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Rsox
Fair enough. But still he was healthy.
stansfield123
@Rsox
The Yankees like to have a first team of 13 position players who are all starter quality. That allows them to sit players every few games. And, indeed, they’ve done that more than most teams. With their whole team, not just the older guys.
That explains giving up Gio for Kiner-Falefa. They want that defensive versatility, even if his bat is only passable (which it IS, btw., 85 OPS+ is an okay bat for a player with big defensive upside). They don’t need Kiner-Falefa, or Donaldson for that matter, for 162 games.
emac22
You underrate the value of an excuse for losing.
Fragile players can actually save your job if you play it right.
pt57
He can do the same with the Yankees. Would it be a surprise is LeMahieu plays more 3rd and Donaldson DHs more?
Rsox
That scenario has Stanton in LF more regularly. It’s a role of the dice between Stanton and Donaldson in turns of playing the field to keep one healthy over the other
User 4245925809
For sure. Twins gave up still one of the better overall 3b, only under contract 1+1 team option and decent utility guy for a pure salary dump C of the yanks and guy who, along with Torres they have wouldn’t have been heard of on any other team. Total NYY steal, just took on more salary.
flamingbagofpoop
Sure, if you inflate the quality of Donaldson, it looks much better…
KnicksFanCavsFan
@John
Torres was a beast his first few years and a top 5 prospect when with three Cubs. No need to recreate history.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@flaming
why the need to inflate? A solid hitting 3b that can give you at least league average defense or better and hit you 25 homers while posting league average batting avg and above average obp. 2/$50 isn’t a horrible salary to take on once you factor in Sanchez and Urshela’s likely arbitration numbers.
downsr30
One hit wonder that has hit .292 with 41 HR and 153 RBI since he joined the Yankees? Hmm.. 3 seasons..
But sure, let’s rely on Donaldson – a guy that’s played has played only 2 semi-full seasons dating back to 2016.
ayrbhoy
IKF can play 3B, SS AND Catcher! At a GG level- he could realistically play every sgl position if need be. He’s an amazing resource for your skipper.
This Mariners fan has watched him play ball for a few years now- your NYY pitching staff just got better tonight. It will be interesting to see if his bat plays up in NY or if the big Apple has a negative effect on him. If its the former you will be pleasantly surprised
mydadleftme
41 homers in 3 seasons isn’t much to brag about. Donaldson despite less time has hit significantly more than that.
crazybaseballgal
I agree with @ayrbhoy
DogDays2
Lol who needs him to play a full season? When he’s healthy , he’ll rake and they now have five very capable infielders.
Noel1982
Gio is a nice bit back up caliber player
LordShade
Isaiah won a gold glove at third base, not shortstop. You don’t even know what you’re talking about.
Also, Donaldson is eternally injured, good luck with that.
mydadleftme
He still posted a +10DRS at short last year, which is incredibly good
KnicksFanCavsFan
@lord
135 games last year didn’t scream injury prone.
JonathanJ
Donaldson only started 91 games at 3rd. 34 starts were at DH and 9 games he entered as a pinch hitter. He had to start at DH a bunch because of leg injuries
DogDays2
“Eternally injured “
At-bats
2019–549
2021–457
Do better haters…
tstats
When your the one DHing on a team with Sano yk something is up
Al Hirschen
Gary Sánchez is going to be traded soon
Redwolves3
First Cubs get Simmons and now Kiner-Falefa to the Yankees. Boras will have to work harder now to find a team to take Correa and his enormous asking price.
dsett75
Redwolves……it appears as if Correa may be going back to Houston. At least according to an article I skimmed over this morning.
Mario93
@123redsox facts! Yankees are in win now mode, they got by far the better players. It’s a fleecing by the Yankees. Twins were just shedding salary.. Yankees got a lot more dangerous with the two players they acquired.
Samuel
@ Mario93;
The Yankees are not in “win now mode”. They’re in “keep the fans that don’t understand think we’re doing something so that we can buy time to get some youngsters up from the farm system and get these awful long-term contracts we have with over the hill veterans that we can’t move off the books” mode
Yankees are at where the Jays were 4-5 years ago. But the Jays had a deep farm system.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Samuel
of course the Yankees are in win now mode. Will they? That’s the question but with taking on Donaldson doesn’t scream buying time
BobGibsonFan
Yankees gave up Hall of Famer Sanchez and Gio Wonder Boi.
dsett75
Bob Gibson Fan….You seriously think Sanchez is a HoFer?!
ctguy
“never seen such swagger walking to the plate, then as he struts back to the dugout after flailing at strike 3.”
That description sounds exactly like Gary Sanchez
Ducky Buckin Fent
Huge difference being that Phat Sancho was the fastest catcher to hit 100 jacks in the history of MLB, man. Which strikes me as a swaggerable accomplishment.
Dorothy_Mantooth
$242M doesn’t buy you what it used to. Unless their pitching staff over-performs, the Yankees look to be a 90 win team. Good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to win the division. Catcher is going to be a rough spot for the Yankees this year, offensively. Also, are the Yankees relying on Hicks to be their everyday CF? If so, that makes 4 very injury prone position players on their roster (Donaldson, Hicks, Stanton, Voit). I don’t think the Yankees will sign a new 1B now unless they are able to shed some salary. I don’t see NY going over the $250M threshold, and signing a decent first baseman would put them there. If the team can stay healthy then they will make some noise but that’s a big IF given the injury history of their current players.
Mickey777
Dorothy,
As always you have made several salient points. You are probably right about the 90 wins. At this point, they are a wild card team and not much else. They still really need a left handed bat at first. Freeman is obviously perfect but he seems inclined to sign else where, and the Yanks are probably not in the financial situation to sign him anyway. They desperately need big come backs from Severino and Hicks. If the yanks make no more major moves, I give their off season a D.
Darryl Rose
Why call someone ignorant and then post something that is wrong? He never won a gold glove as a shortstop.
wjf010
@123….which player is a prospect in this deal? Rortvedt? absolutely awful. watch some of his “highlights” – never seen such swagger walking to the plate, then as he struts back to the dugout after flailing at strike 3.
YourDreamGM
Great for twins though to drop that bad contract.
andyg37
This makes no sense to me
Holy Cow!
Hmmm… can’t reply to dream GM. must have muted me. Are yanks taking on all Donaldson’s salary?
Holy Cow!
Holy Cow! They are. Twins making moves.
mydadleftme
Urshela couldn’t play good third last year how would he play solid SS.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@mydad
Urshela played above average defense at 3rd last year according to fangraphs. 6 dfWAR last year and 3 this past.
Samer
downsr30, you are down on the Yankees.
This is a hot take, let’s wait to see how it plays out.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@down
Hard to agree with you. Not in love with trade at the moment but probably more for sentimental reasons. Feelings aside, Donaldson is still a very good player. His defensive ratings slipped this year. Question is, outlier or sign of things to come. He might be a good stop gap vs avail free agents. Yanks have a lot of good middle infield prospects that might need to be moved to 3rd. I like Gio but it’s not like he was lighting it up.
Falefa is younger, has a higher ceiling and his defensive stats were better than Gio’s and he can also play 3 different infield positions like Gio. Hard to say Gios bat was THAT good to declare him better. I’ll miss Dirty Sanchez. Say what you want but the stats rated him as an above average defensive catcher. 3.5 defensive WAR last year. Overall, he was ranked as one of the top 10 C during his debut. We’ll see who they hold with as starting C. Hizzy?
downsr30
I think they’ll go after Willson Contreras as catcher.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I agree with doensr30 – Contreras is the obvious move now. They gave up Kevin Alcantara for a Rizzo rental, they will have to do better for Contreras plus the Cubs can probably be flexible about retaining salary or taking on a bad short contract.
downsr30
Voit for Contreras straight up would work for both sides. Voit has a few years of control, Contreras has this year and that’s it.
Rsox
The problem is, the Yankees have bad contracts–they just aren’t short…
DonOsbourne
If the teams get creative, the Cubs could take one of the Yankees big contracts off their hands and get prospect capital in return. The Yankees sending LeMahieu instead of Voit and including some combination of cash and prospects would serve the Yankees better than trading Voit.
darkstar61
2021 bWAR
IKF 3.7
JD 3.2
GS 0.7
Gio 0.6
FSF
The haters don’t want to be inundated with your facts. They’d rather hang on to their delusional narratives. As a Yanks fan, I’m quite pleased on many levels.
Catuli Carl
Donaldson and Cole on the same team LOL
DogDays2
They’re veteran adults who want to win. You think they’ll be having MMA battles in the clubhouse?
It’s a non-issue
Bright Side
Urshela was a butcher at SS. He’s got no athleticism and his bat was horrible. Chasing pitches out of the zone and making weak contact is a bad combination. The only ‘fail’ was starting him over Tyler Wade, a player I’d rather have at SS than IKF. As great as he is on D, his bat sucks. Moreover, this deal means that Story won’t be wearing Pinstripes. They get Donadlson for one year and he’s an upgrade in combination with DJM moving back to 2B, where he’s most valuable. Does this deal put the Yankees over the top? No way. That means getting Olson or Freeman is imperative.
Now the $64 question…
Do the Yankees include a package including Gleyber and top prospects for Olsen or Soto (moving Gallo to 1B)???
Darryl Rose
Soto? Lmao
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Yankees could have just signed Kris Bryant to play 3B and still traded Sanchez and Urshela for Kiner-Falefa. The versatile Bryant could have also filled in at 1B and both corner OF spots when needed.
Also tells me Freddie Freeman ain’t coming to the Bronx and Rizzo may not either. That’s okay. I like Luke Voigt.
mrmackey
Not sure the Twins make that deal without being able to move Donaldson’s $$. And the Yanks prefer short term contracts. Bryant is going to command a lot more years.
DogDays2
Bryant??
The whole point of this is not to commit to another big number/ long term contract.
Neither the Twins or Yankees make that trade.
srechter
UHHHHHHH
User 3663041837
Twins making a salary dump right after trading for a pitcher.
Oh Boy Here We Go
So Donaldson plays 3B?
Saw someone say Hosmer and Campusano to Yankees earlier.
hockeyjohn
No one is going to trade for Hosmer.
Rsox
Nor is Hosmer waiving his no-trade clause to be berated by the New York media all season
kcmark
Hosmer makes $$$$$ and lives in SD. He’s not waiving his no trade clause if he has one.
ayrbhoy
Unless he comes over in a 2 player trade paired with a player who’s on a more team friendly contract. Not unlike what MN did with Donaldson
holycowdude
No one was going to trade for Donaldson and that contract of his either, so….
Noel1982
Donaldson can still play a lil bit of baseball though
Captain Judge99
@Oh Boy Here We Go- if the Padres throw in Campusano and Hassell with Hosmer I think the Yankees would have interest in a trade. Voit, German, Hicks, and Andujar could be headed to San Diego. Hosmer which a lot of people don’t know is a life long Yankee fan who grew up Upstate. Check it out on You Tube.
Rsox
If the Padres are taking Hicks then one of those players gets pulled back. The rest of the players mentioned are non-starters. German pitched well and the Yankees need rotation depth so they may not even want to include him. Also not sure what the Padres position on his DV issue would be (if that even matters). Voit is a throw in. Andujar has no value to the Padres. Machado at 3B, Voit would DH, and LF at Petco is not a good place for him.
Yankee Clipper
I did. I’ve said it in the past too, because of our need for a C in the future, but that’s simply my opinion. There’s no way they can do that now with Donaldson though, imo, unless they took someone like Hicks + off the books.
Rsox
Honestly, Hicks for Hosmer salary wise is almost a wash. Granted Hosmer is owed about $20 million more (which the Padres would probably pick up a chunk of), Hicks plays a premium defensive position and has been injured much of the past 2 full seasons while Hosmer plays First Base and has just been unproductive. Straight up without the prospect kicker and just the cash thrown in would probably get it done
BobGibsonFan
Hicks plays a premium defensive position? Sitting in the trainers room is a defensive position? He does it well, though.
Holy Cow!
Finally something else happened today. Who will catch for the Yankees now though?
48-team MLB
Yogi
Holy Cow!
I guess it will be Rortvedt and Hishiogka.
dadofdonnydownvote
Calm down son. Time for bed. You have school tomorrow.
stymeedone
The Yankees could replace Sanchez with a cement block and the pitchers wouldn’t notice the difference. Stunned that another team thought he had any value. With Sano and Sanchez in the same lineup, they won’t need A/C in MN this summer.
Yankee Clipper
Stymeedone: Not true, man. Cement block would be noticeably better.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Well, we’ll see. I sincerely hope Higashioka is not the plan at C.
Yankee Clipper
Ducky, they told us Sanchez had NO value, remember?! Pfffft. We scored!!!! Mlbnyy is going to get loaded tonight with this news. This just made his offseason.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Bro, this was a salary dump for the Twinkies.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Of course he has value. Tell ya, Clip: had it been Higashioka instead of Sanchez, I would be doing cartwheels.
Twins wanted Gary instead though.
For obvious reasons.
holycowdude
Sanchez will be flipped tomorrow.
NYCORNERSTONE
To Boston star crying now Gary haters
kcmark
Sanchez can DH full time with Cruz gone.
yankeeempire123
Sanchez can’t hit. Worthless as DH.
Doug
I hope they can deal with the Cubs for Willson Contreras..
Holy Cow!
I don’t know. Jed may hold him until the deadline. Gomes allows Wilson to Dh half the time if need be.
Y2KAK
Voit for Contreras 1 for 1?
Holy Cow!
That ain’t happening.
Catuli Carl
Hahahahahahahahahaha
mgomrjsurf
MLB Network hasen’t broken in yet to talk about latest moves that just happened but Sportscenter will tonight,
64' Yanks
Who knows….Austin Wells is making moves down in the minors….besides he’s Vegas kid!
Asfan0780
They’ll try to do a combo Sean Murphy and Matt olson deal from Oakland.
disadvantage
Not Gary Sanchez. Which is to say that the Yankees have just massively improved the catcher position today.
bighiggy
Why would the twins do this? Has to be more involved. Getting 2 worse players back? They would have been better keeping garver over Sanchez? And trading Donaldson for someone better than urshela
seamaholic 2
Clearing salary presumably. Donaldson’s is a bad deal.
bighiggy
That’s a shame after trading for gray today. Maybe they are going to spend donaldsons money somewhere else. If not, don’t see the point of trading Garver and trading for gray
YourDreamGM
@bighiggy definitely spending elsewhere and soon. They are going to try and contend.
Dogs
The Twins Sign Cora
……………Or……………
They Trade Grey Tomorrow
YourDreamGM
Getting rid of that bad contract. Donaldson couldn’t stay healthy. That money can be spent to get better results.
Hammerin' Hank
Remember all the Braves fans who wanted AA to give that bad contract to Josh?
DogDays2
True, saved money for Freddie. Oh wait…. They’re letting him walk…
RunDMC
shedding that contract — NYY may not have wanted Garver…
puhl
They will move Sanchez to a NL team as a DH for other talent. Nice move by Minnesota.
Rsox
I have to believe Sanchez will probably DH more than Catch for the Twins. Jeffers will be the starter and Sanchez or another acquisition would be the backup.
puhl
Possibly, but initial reports are the Twins have no interest in Sanchez.
Rsox
Could be. Maybe Sanchez is just passing through Minnesota like IKF was
mrmackey
To make a run at Story?
RobM
Interesting move.
It also means more moves are coming.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Has to.
Yankee Clipper
Who you got for C boys? Willson, maybe?
Ducky Buckin Fent
That’d be the Boss move.
Mickey777
Well this move certainly came out of LF. Overall I like it. Sure wish we had Tucker Barnhart!!!
Got to be more coming!!!
BLIN7Y
DBF…
I’m in the Middle with this move but as I said, the Ninja is quiet and there is more to come.
Know anything about the Catcher we got?
Ducky Buckin Fent
Yeah, I don’t think this is it for Cash, either.
I get it. I don’t love it nor do I detest it. Have to view it in light of whatever else transpires.
I’m afraid I don’t, Byron. I had to look him up on B-Ref.
Catuli Carl
Heeeeelllll no
Catuli Carl
Heeeelll no
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Maybe, but Contreras will be expensive, Cubs will want quality not quantity. Maybe Willson Contreras and Kyle Hendricks for Jasson Dominguez?
What no one talks about, Cubs could trade Yan Gomes instead.
Ducky Buckin Fent
No. They can’t, actually. It’s against the rules until June. Fyi
Pill Cosby
So who’s gonna catch for the Yankees now? Higashioka is not a starter
roguesaw
IKF used to catch
123redsox
They aren’t moving a gold glove shortstop to catcher
cookmeister 2
He didn’t win a gold glove at short dude
User 1104686089
He easily could have. unbelievably talented SS but catcher was a tough one for him. He isn’t a catcher
ARC 2
Not even a Yank fan but must say the Yanks just ripped off the Twins big time. Sanchez is a terrible catcher should be a DH. Gio is a average player Ok defense and just OK offense. IKF is very good defensively every where he plays. Donaldson is still a good powerful hitter with good defense. I just don’t see how the Twins thought this was a good trade for them?
YourDreamGM
@Arc2. Pretty sure the twins would have traded Donaldson for any cheap player. They wanted to dump salary as priority 1.
RobM
Another trade in incoming.
candymaldonado
They got a catcher in the deal.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
The twins traded for Kiner-Falefa just to trade him away. I thought they needed a SS?
YourDreamGM
Still time to get one.
bighiggy
You think they would be interested in sosa or dejong from st. Louis? I think the twins and cards could pair up nicely on a trade
YourDreamGM
@bighiggy I don’t.
bighiggy
Yeah maybe they got something else brewing. Cards have too many infielders and twins seem like they may need some lol. Was just a thought
YourDreamGM
@bighiggy are you a cards fan?
bighiggy
Yeah, through the good and the
Bad. Cards have a million infielders and not enough space for them. None are amazing but all are decent. Just too dang many and cards need to ship some out lol. Somebody has to need infielders around here 🙂
YourDreamGM
@bighiggy I wouldn’t rule anything completely out. But the fact that you as a fan offered them up makes me believe you aren’t crazy about them? If that’s true why do the twins want to trade for them? Like the Yankees fan below.
bighiggy
I do like all of them, just too many. Cards need bullpen help. Sosa is a good player on both sides just no pop. Dejong great fielder, power hitter, strikes out a bunch. Edman, great fielder, good contact, just can’t walk. Then there’s gorman coming up, gonna be an all star. Obvious trade candidates is sosa or dejong. Both good players, neither are gonna win an mvp. Can’t keep them all, or I guess you can and someone wastes away. Would like to see,as a fan which ever one doesn’t start,get traded to a team where they will start.
YourDreamGM
@bighiggy If they sign a ss then one of them should be traded. If not I can see them keeping both.
stymeedone
And they just cleared money. Story time in the Twin Cities?
Rsox
Nick Gordon and Royce Lewis are already on the roster and as someone already mentioned Trevor Story is still available (as is Correa, though that seems unlikely)
AjDeez
Why? Simply why? Giooooo???? Are you kidding me???
Yankee Clipper
Gio needed to go. Too many IFers. Too clogged.
Begamin
they literally brought in two IFers tho lmao
Yankee Clipper
Well, I should’ve clarified that, you’re right. One is a true utility guy & can competently play SS for a full season. We currently have (had) no MLB player capable of that. Donaldson is a true 3B, so he replaces Urshela, and Sanchez is a DH. Urshela or Torres had to go for us to fill SS through a trade though. I think Torres may still be on the trade block too.
braves fan 138
Donaldson as a Yankee is going to be weird
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
He’s gonna look weird with no beard.
Begamin
eh not really, he always had a pretty thin/patchy beard so i dont think itll be too jarring to look at him. its not like when the yanks got damon from boston
NYCORNERSTONE
Going to be lots of fights
Ducky Buckin Fent
If by “weird” you mean “squared away” then: yes.
luclusciano
Especially when him and Coke are supposed to make nice
Samuel
LOL
Both of these organizations are messed up; flailing away with no sense of direction.
HBan22
It’s true. Why trade for Sonny Gray just to dump Donaldson and IKF the next day? Why replace Garver with Gary Sanchez? What are the Twins doing!?!
lavey
Twins are stupid. They trade Garver and Donaldson and get Sanchez and Urshela?
YourDreamGM
Smart imo. They have a plan. More moves to come.
Kruk it
Probably Sanchez to Phils for Gregorious
YourDreamGM
@Kruk it probably not.
brucenewton
Saved about 40 million.
Led Hoyer
They have to be in on one of the shortstops
CobiEven
Under rated statement. This is their endgame.
Poppin' Balls
Seems like lateral moves by both teams to me, but at least the Twins shed that awful Donaldson contract
pc01
Agree, Poppin’ – I get that it’s a trade involving people we’ve heard of, but… eh? Big deal? I don’t see how this by itself really makes either team a whole lot better.
puhl
Urshela isn’t bad and they are going to flip Sanchez to an NL where he will be a DH. Let’s see what they get back.
giantsbaseball415
There’s gonna be tension in that dugout for sure w Donaldson and Cole
Marcus Graham
Oh yeahhhh. I forgot about that!
ALuepke12
Struggling to understand the trade on both sides. But I’ll wait to see how it plays out I guess.
YourDreamGM
Salary dump to add better piece. And Yankees being Yankees taking on expensive old players.
bassmaster
“blockbusters” sure ain’t what they used to be
You Can Put It In The Books
Odd
Kolukonu
Very interested to see the next moves for Yanks. Need a catcher now.
bigjonliljon
Yankees calling Cubs?
Captain Judge99
@bigjonliljon- yes the Yankees will try for Contreras now. They definitely have the pieces the Cubs will want.
bighiggy
Who could you see the yanks offering for Contreras? Price will be high
Captain Judge99
@bighiggy- Deivi, Voit, and maybe Andujar. The Cubs need offense. Cub fans will love the power of Voit. Andujar can play some 3rd base, left field and dh a little. Expect a bounce back year from Deivi Garcia. Contreras will definitely help the Yankees with his defense and his pop. Cubies should try for German instead of Deivi. I love the Cubs they are my favorite team in the NL.
YourDreamGM
@bighiggy Young high upside prospects. Yankees fans always want to give you Voit and Andujar. They would be offering Frazier instead of Devi if they could.
bighiggy
All depends on if the Cubs plan to really compete. If they sign Correa I could see a voit, deivi and maybe somebody else? But if they are going to compete will they even trade contreras. i dont think they would want andujar honestly. They have a bunch of infielders already and wisdom had a geck if a year last year. Honestly I see a rizzo reunion so voit would be out too. But I’m sure each have the pieces.
Holy Cow!
At least the Cubs got Frazier already. The Yankee fans can’t offer him anymore.
YourDreamGM
Cubs have nice young players and more on the way. If when they trade Contreras it will be to load up the farm.
bighiggy
I know right, not getting Contreras for voit and andujar lol. Cubs aren’t stupid
Milwaukee-2208
Yanks love disabled players I guess. At least Hicks has an IL buddy now
CravenMoorehead
Lolololololol ADIOS SANCHEZ
I Like Big Bunts
It’s the move Yank-me fans have been waiting for!
Tacoshells
What the f ing f!!! Whoa !!!
angt222
This is certainly an unexpected and headline grabbing trade.
Cubsforever22
I like this for the yanks, think kiner can be really good too
duffys cliff
I wonder if the Twins are trying to clear Donaldson’s contract so they can sign someone else…Story perhaps?
YourDreamGM
Good move to dump the contract no matter what they do. But they aren’t done.
johnnybadd2019
I like IKF on the Yankees. Donaldson I’m a bit mixed on. I’m sure he’ll love hitting in Yankee stadium though
Zkirton
Yanks out on freddie now? Yes plz
Yankee Clipper
What the hell is Cashman doing?
1) Please tell me Falafel-sandwich isn’t the steering SS
2) More moves are coming, obviously. I can’t wait, Story? Olson? Freeman? Some DFA guy?
3) Donaldson makes sense! Any RH-heavy team that strikes out too much needs a 45-year-old Rah-hitter who strikes out. I like it ……NOT. But He’s probably going to hit better than Gary…lol.
Mlbnyyfan? Where you at?! Revenge trade happened bro!!! You should be stoked!
Ducky Buckin Fent
When the dust settles, I don’t see how this makes us any better. So I think we’ll see another couple moves yet. At least not for ’22.
The reality is, we now have a hole at catcher to address. You may get your wish for Contreras after all, Clip.
RobM
Donaldson is an upgrade over Gio, who was a nice story, but I think the clock struck midnight last year as he began to greatly expand his zone. Donaldson is still a very productive and dangerous hitter and patient. They’re much stronger with him at 3B than Gio. DJ can also serve as backup when he misses some time.
IKF is the stopgap. Better than. Simmons at this stage, and once one of the Yankee SS prospects arrive, he moves into a super sub role. I can live with it if they’re indeed not going to sign one of the two remaining SS’s.
I have no idea what they’re doing at catcher. Defense certainly improves, but I suspect there are more moves coming.
One thing not mentioned. Donaldson and IFK both play with a chip on their shoulders. This Yankee squad need that.
Yankee Clipper
RobM: Yeah, good points man. My thinking is: unless we trade Torres(?) this puts us right back in the ‘too many IFers’ category. Now, I’d love the IKF trade if we also acquire Story, because having IKF as a UTL guy would be perfect.
Cashman is very deliberate & whatever he has planned for the next couple moves is already done, it’s just awaiting finalization. I’m fact, it was probably agreed upon two days ago. He’s definitely a chess player with this stuff, and rarely makes one-off trades.
RobM
The real issue with the “too many infielders” is the Yankees are much stronger defensively with DJ at 2B. It’s great that he can rotate around, but he really should be playing regularly at 2B to maximize his skills and thus value.
Story could certainly still be in play with IKF moving to the sub role.
I’m going to give you my guess on what’s happening to slow other trades/signings on the Yankees. Freeman is holding up a Matt Olson deal. I don’t think Freeman is coming to the Yankees. It’s Braves or Dodgers. As a Yankee fan, root for it to be the Braves, because that will remove them from the Olson trade. They have the prospects to make a Olson trade, and AA makes deals as well as any GM. So the A’s are waiting on the Freeman resolution. If Freeman moves, they can pit the Braves and Yankees against each other. If Freeman stays, it removes one significant bidder for Olson, which is why we should root for Freeman back to the Braves. Story is waiting for Correa to sign. If the Yankees have an interest in Story, then they’re in a holding pattern. They’re covered with IKF, but they could still have an interest in Story.
So the Yankees two targets–Olson and Story–may require patience.
Just a guess.
Yankee Clipper
RobM: This aligns with my thought process on what they’re doing in many ways. I agree with DJL @ 2B. It’s why I think Torres may be in the trade block in a deal for a C.
I think Cashman is attempting to address 1B as the “big signing” (Freeman or Olson) & if he can’t, only then pivoting to Story. As much as I would love Story AND one of those two in my heart, my brain tells me it isn’t happening.
So, that explains the holdup. Story held up by Olson held up by Freeman. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me & it’s how I thought Cash would address the positions with FA spending (1B before SS).
But C? That’s got me thinking. I know he’s going to make a move, but for whom?
Ducky Buckin Fent
I keep meaning to respond to this post, Rob, but keep getting distracted. You can tell it’s been awhile since we – & all of those special people that show up on all Yankee threads – haven’t had much to discuss.
This is another interesting & nuanced take.
If Kiner-Falefa assumes the Tyler Wade role I will personally send Cash a bottle of Macaulay’s myself.
I get it: Stay Patient.
Cash ain’t done yet. The guys we’ve been pining for are still in play. Excellent point. On another note: remind me never to play poker with you. That’s a pretty cool headed outlook, man. How do you feel about the nickname ‘RobbyIce’?
Yankee Clipper
DBF: “ If Kiner-Falefa assumes the Tyler Wade role I will personally send Cash a bottle of Macaulay’s myself.”
Yeah, no doubt, man. Cash will truly have proven he still has it if he IKF was acquired to be the UTL guy and I am one haaaaaaaappy camper….
Ducky Buckin Fent
See, that’s the difference between Cash’s vision & ours. Cash wants to keep us relevant every season. Which I get. That’s his current job requirement, uh?
However: you & I want to see the construction of a juggernaut. Ya know? We want to be the hands down AL pennant favorite. I don’t think that is quite what Cashman is doing.
As such: I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if Cash is done at SS & C.
Joe says...
Ducky and Clipper, I hate to be that guy but I think this ends the left side of the infield questions. I do feel confident that C and 1B are not settled yet. Maybe Contreras at C. I also have the feeling that Rizzo will be at first when all is said and done.
I do like the trade the Yankees made though. Donaldson > Gio and we needed some better D at SS. Also if they were going to go stopgap, this was probably the best option. I never thought Story would take a 1 year deal when he supposedly has multi year deals on the table. Also this trade lost us zero prospects. It pretty much only cost money.
Joe says...
Clipper, yeah we should get Olson for sure. I still believe Freeman will be in Atlanta unfortunately. And if we are done at C we are in trouble.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Give me Olson or Rizzo, some more offense at catcher, a mid-rotation starter & I’m good.
I see Rizzo as the path of least resistance there too. Cash already acquired him once. & he fits. After that, cash in a bunch of prospect chips prying Manaea & Murphy away from the A’s & that would be a pretty good ballclub.
Yankee Clipper
Hm, now that’s interesting too, Ducky. Holding the prospects for C instead of first could be a better use of the prospects…. Ugh, why did they put us in this position when they didn’t have to…. ?
Ducky Buckin Fent
So, I just looked at what’s left in free agency.
Here is one possible way:
Bring Rizzo back. Sign Brett Anderson for 100 or so regular season innings & – hopefully – a couple postseason starts. After shuffling out Voit that’s adding about $10 mil in AAV.
Now you have *all* of your MiLB chips for Contreras or Murphy or _____________.
Dustyslambchops23
Ducky I think this improves the team a fair bit with removing of nothing valuable.
I’m sure the yanks aren’t done, this was a nice move for them to fill 2 holes with. (Giggity)
Only downfall is the JD contract but who cares, yanks got money to spend, won’t handcuff them
LordD99
@Dusty, the Yankees just reset their CBT, so they can and will go above for the next three seasons before they pull back under again. Donaldson’s contract is done after two, so no issues.
Joe says...
LD99, Donaldson does have a mutual option with a buyout of $6 million in 24. So there is at least some financial obligation 3 years out.
drfelix
I love it because I’m not a yankee fan lol
YourDreamGM
I can’t hate on Cashman. I stopped being a Yankee fan the day he signed Ellsberry. But he wins every single year. Should spending 200 million but other teams have tried and failed.
Yankee Clipper
GM: No doubt. As Ducky says all the time, man, the expectation is to win 92-95 games per season & be playoff-caliber, and Cashman delivers that every single year. Not many fans can say that and there are many that wish they could. It’s a very good, objective point you make.
DogDays2
Clearly you underrate the players the Yankees received.
1) they just acquired a quality SS, huge defensive upgrade and now don’t have to commit crazy money and years to a Free Agent SS, allowing the two stud kids two years to develop.
2) Donaldson is still a dangerous hitter plus adds some intensity. The guys a winner
3) They have 5 competent infielders as of now, including several that are interchangeable.
4) they got rid of Sanchez who sucks!
Also, you complain about JD being righty and striking out a lot but seem intent on spending much more on Story who is righty and strikes out more….
Yankee Clipper
Drag Bunt: It was hyperbolic, because JD actually doesn’t strike out a lot. He’s also not 45-years -old. I’m not underrating the players, it’s how they fit in with winning now that I question: but that’s not to say they don’t. They very well may fit in, but, we just paid $35M for IKF essentially, right? We literally could acquire almost anyone we need for that money. With as frugal as the Yankees have been, that’s a $17.5 AAV to take on just to get IKF at SS.
Again, if we get Olson (and don’t get hammered by the A’s) or Freeman, and a good starting C, these moves may very well complement our roster just fine. If we go after Rizzo though? And we end up with Rizzo, IKF, JD? No, that’s a piss-poor trade & waste of money. Because $35M over two years? That’s money even the NYY are straining to spend in recent years.
I know why: It’s 2 years and then he’s gone – off the books and Cash gets to reset master Hal’s CBT again. I get it, but in ‘23 a ton of money comes off anyway.
DogDays2
I understand, but it’s short term money. It’s two years plus the option. For obvious reasons, they didn’t want to get stuck with another long-term deal. They have too many of those and if they have interest in signing Judge etc…
I’m not into Story or Correa anyway.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, man, it’s a completely valid point. And, obviously Cash agrees with you – lol. And, the short-term is why the deal was done, that was the selling point. My guess is that Story wouldn’t go short-term, which made the choice easy for Cashman.
Oscar the Grouch
If this was rookie year Gary Sanchez and Josh Donaldson 2015ish, this would be exciting. Nowadays though you are talking about a guy who is an offensive AND defensive liability for a guy who’s to often injured and losing a step every time he hits said IL. Yawn
saintguitar
I feel like a free agent signing is brewing either from the Yankees or the Twins
mnsports
So… essentially it was Garver, Donaldson, and Rortvedt for Sanchez and Urshela… not sure how I feel
RunDMC
You unloaded a bad contract in Donaldson and got back some upside for cheap and a change of scenery piece (Sanchez).
Hammerin' Hank
Yeah it’s a Donaldson salary dump.
Prospectnvstr
mnsports: You forgot Chase Petty. He’s definitely a long ways away but he COULD be the key to this 2-day 3-way deal. Plus the return the Twins get when they trade Sanchez, as the article states that they have no plans on retaining him.
Eovaldismemes
bruh
amk1920
Are the Twins trying to win or not?
Captain Judge99
@amk1920- this is a lot better trade for the Twinkies then for us. You will love Urshela. He’s a gamer. You’ll love his play if you’re a Twinkies fan. Sanchez can hit over 20 homeruns with his eyes closed.
stymeedone
That’s the problem with Sanchez. He hits like his eyes are closed. Kinda catches like that, too.
Kruk it
Great one
Captain Judge99
I hate to see my teammates go. I’m in total shock. Urshela was one of my best friends. I really don’t like this trade. Besides Donaldson and Cole hate each other. How is this goin’ work out? Smh
YankeesBleacherCreature
Sheffield was a pretty polarizing clubhouse guy yet he managed to stay in NY for a decent amount of time. They’ll figure it out. They’re professionals.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Or they can be completely dysfunctional like those Bronx Zoo squads & win a couple championships. Either works for me.
theodore glass
Why are people saying Twins win this trade? Yankees got better players in return.
puhl
We will see but at this point, what makes ANYONE think Donaldson can stay healthy? If he does, this is a good move for the Yankees, but tonight, I’d much rather be the Twins getting to dump all that salary. And now they get to move Sanchez to another team in the NL where he can be a DH. Let’s see what the Twins can get for him.
drfelix
Dumping $50m off the books on Donaldson for the twins that’s how the trade was won by the twins it’s like the Mariners winning the Robinson Cano Trade with the Mets!!!
Dogs
Who’s to say Donaldson will not be traded to a NL Team & become a DH also?
DogDays2
Maybe because he had recent seasons with 550 and 650 plate appearances. He’s not Aaron Hicks
Holy Cow!
Yanks taking on all the risk of Donaldson’s vsalary.
smuzqwpdmx
The Yankees come out ahead in terms of players for 2022, but quite possibly behind for 2023 (Donaldson is at that age where it could come any moment), at the cost of $40M that could’ve signed better free agents. I can’t see any argument for how they couldn’t have spent $40M better.
I’m sure Yankees pitchers are celebrating the deal right now though.
DogDays2
Analyzing just around Donaldsons salary is pretty silly since they acquired a solid SS which now helps them not have to commit crazy money and years to a FA at that position.
kenphelpsformvp
ikf could easily be an AS for the next 3 years. it’s pretty obv these will all be career years for him. the twins letting him go only to try and pay big money for story is silly stupid.. seems like every move made by the twins has been counter productive.
Darryl Rose
@kenphelpsformvp
He could EASILY be an all star? Based on what? He has never had an OPS of 700.
His WAR is solid but easily an all star is a stretch.
larkraxm
Because the players are only marginally better and Donaldson is owed $50 million. That is a lot of money to get a rich man’s Gio (Donaldson) and a stop gap at SS.
DogDays2
You’re underrating both players the Yankees acquired. It’s that simple.
TommyLasutton
Really like this for the Twins. Moved tons of money. Picking up young players that need a change of scenery. They’re doing some chess rn
SaintChris
Love this move for both teams. The Twins wipe Donaldson’s contract off the books while bringing back a capable Urshela. The Yankees, meanwhile, get a nearly 4-bwar shortstop in IKF to hold them over until Volpe is ready and can avoid the pressure of paying Correa $350m.
hohnav21
Garbage deal. Donaldson is always hurt
jerseystrongsports
SS is key. Not much power but good glove, good contact. Multiple positions. Donaldson I think is in last year of contract. Given up Sanchez, probably DH for Twins. Looks like a set up for more moves. Ursula was good find. Sanchez a classic what if.
YourDreamGM
2 years contract left n buy out.
Captain Judge99
I totally disagree. Wait to you see the play of Urshela. While Donaldson has more power then Gio. You get power back with Sanchez. The Twinkies will win this trade. Gio is an excellent teammate.
Basketball geek
Cashman did it again, if healthy, Donaldson an upgrade with power, KINER——a good shortstop for now, and capable utility piece in the future… Now need to assess what’s up with catching…
NerdSurfer
Padres might want Sanchez as a DH after missing out on Cruz
metsgolf
Can either of these players that the Yanks got in the trade , pitch?
They need pitching. After Cole, then what?
YourDreamGM
After Cole they have 5 more guys who can pitch to a 3 something era.
GarryHarris
This trade benefits both teams but I think the Twins benefit more.
The Twins get a great defensive 3B and a DH/C.
The Yankees finally get a much needed good defensive SS but an injury prone/sometimes spectacular 36-38 year old 3B/DH.
It makes sense the Yankees next trade Gleyber Torres for a Catcher (Maybe TOR).
GarryHarris
Although not much of a hitter, Ben Rotvedt looks like a great defensive, yet unheralded, Catcher.
bigsombrero
Possible Drew Butera type. Could have a long career.
YourDreamGM
Twins get 50 million to spend elsewhere. Anything else is bonus.
davidk1979
Donaldson still rakes guess DJ moves over to first base unless they trade Torres.
YourDreamGM
Still rakes when he plays. Twins didn’t trade him because of lack of talent.
larkraxm
It’s ok to have an extra infielder! They don’t have to trade anyone. Which Yankee infielder played every game last year? They still might make more moves, but its ok to plan for one or more players to miss some games.
mike127
I love how so many people complained for 100 days that there was nothing happening—and when things happen—they complain even more.
Yankee Clipper
Welcome to NY?
Ducky Buckin Fent
Welcome to MLBTR?
dave frost nhlpa
Will there be a Minnesota video tribute for IKF?
jfoody
ditched the inconsistent Sanchez for Higgy, IFK and a defensive first catcher. replaced an Gio with an offense first 3b. Not sure the long term ramifications. I love IFK at catcher and SS but I hope this isn’t the big splash we were hoping for
Kyak
The only thing that I can think is salary dump for Twins, but this trade is still stupid on both ends.
ohyeadam
Twins FO better have a few more tricks up their sleeve if this is going to make sense
mlbnyyfan
Bye bye Gary good riddance. Now let’s trade Torres and others for Olson
Hammerin' Hank
A’s want great prospects for Olson, not underperforming vets.
YourDreamGM
@ Hammerin what if Yankees throw in Andujar and Frazier opps I mean Voit.
Edp007
Flip Jd to the jays. He’s never been happy since he left. Hung around TO in off season. Send back a catcher. Work from there
OilCanLloyd
He was unhappy at the end with the Jays too.
Camden453
Yankees win the trade IMO. They get a young 2nd round catching prospect and whatever they get from a 36 year old Donaldson
YourDreamGM
Twins won already no matter what. They realized they shouldn’t have signed Donaldson in the first place and moved his contract. For the Yankees to win Donaldson needs to be healthy and keep bat speed.
larkraxm
Yankees did not get better and took on $50 million of payroll. Lame.
FSF
Yes, they did! MUCH better and for $25M more or so spread over 2 years. If you don’t think that a massive upgrade at third and SS is not worth that, I just don’t know what to say.
LordD99
It’s not as if the Yankees gave up much in value, so seems like a good deal. I doubt, however, a Higashioka/Rortvedt catching combo will be what the Yankees have planned for OD.
Yankee Clipper
Contreras, maybe? Not sure who else would be available right now…
RobM
I hope there’s another catcher coming in @L99 because I’m going to horribly misspell both catchers’ names!
YankeesBleacherCreature
So long Gary. I’ll admit that I’ll miss you. And you, Gio.
Ducky Buckin Fent
I will certainly miss Gary if Higashioka.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Whoops…if Higgy is the everyday C. Not sure what happened there.
YankeesBleacherCreature
I guess this eliminates the Yankees as mystery team for Story and Correa.
Yankee Clipper
I dunno. IKF may take Gio’s spot as UTL guy. But gaining Donaldson has put them right back in the same conundrum, except they have another backup C with IKF and a guy that can actually field a competent SS.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@Clip I see Torres flipping between 2B and SS. There is no way they can play Donaldson everyday. He’s going to DH some with Stanton. Or have Donaldson play some 1B??? DJ is going to be UTIL imo.
RobM
DJLM was originally signed several years back at a $12M AAV to be a high-rotation, super-utility type getting 5 starts a week across the infield. When they resigned him for at $15M AAV, it was to be a starter initially, but also recognition that he’d eventually go back to the high-usage, super-utility role. He’s basically a plug-and-play type of guy, which is valuable. So that’s what he seems to be targeted for now. At least that’s my guess.
mlbnyyfan
Contreras is I have wanted all along but is he even available and if so what would it take? I wouldn’t mind Contreras and Hendricks
Captain Judge99
@mlbnyyfan- yes, Hendricks is one of the most underrated pitchers I’ve ever seen. Contreras would be the perfect Yankee. Deivi, German, Voit, Andujar, and Hicks for Hendricks and Contreras. As a fan of both teams, I love this trade for both sides.
YankeesBleacherCreature
I can’t see the Cubs biting on this proposal. Voit, Andujar, and Hicks are IL-prone and not cheap. Deivi is a mystery right now. German is a backend starter.
ohyeadam
That’s what I thought about the Twins right after they acquired the same needed SS
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, I like Contreras, but his D has suffered a bit. Offensively, he’s like Sanchez (final season totals) but more consistent. I’ve always liked Contreras though and think he would be a great replacement for Sanchez. At least he doesn’t look lost on defense…….and offense……and walking toward the dugout.
I think IF the Yanks have a C in mind, knowing how Cash plans, that deal is already in the works and was prior to the Twins trade. That’s how Cashman operates. Very deliberate.
One thing I don’t get: they won’t spend money on FAs we need, but we take on a Josh Donaldson contract we don’t need? Just… baffles me sometimes.
ohyeadam
Donaldsons contract is only for two more years. All the players left in free agency that can move needles expect much more
emac22
So what? Correa would be ending his deal at about the same age.
50 mil for a players last two years instead of a little more for a great player at a position you don’t already have covered with two players is weird.
Gio and DJ to Donaldson doesn’t feel huge to me.
IKF to Correa seems gigantic.
VonPurpleHayes
This is bananas and creative. I need more time to process it, but I like it for the Yanks.
Samuel
Von;
I wrote for the past 2 years that the 3 most important defensive positions in order are: 1) C, 2) SS, and 3) CF. The Yankees sucked at all 3 – yet for some reason their fans thought they were a shoo-in for the WS.
Getting rid of Sanchez will make the pitching staff better – no matter who they find to Catch. They got a stop gap SS. Maybe they’ll play the youngster in CF.
Fact is that the Hal and Cashman painted the team into a corner. They have too many overpaid veteran contracts that they cannot move (and they just took on another one). They are at where the Jays were 4-5 years ago – can only hope to rebuild the farm system and wait for the veterans contracts to expire. In he meantime they’ll try to be decent.
VonPurpleHayes
Great points as usual, Samuel.
Samuel
Von;
This is why the Phillies are so confusing…..
Contracts they have with Harper, Realmuto, Wheeler, and others are NOT bad contracts. But as you mentioned earlier today – they need to win now. At the same time, they do need to get younger, and they have to fix that D. In their case it’s all on coaching the younger guys up.
DogDays2
What great points? I’m a Yankee fan, we were hopeful but most of us didn’t think they were shoo-ins last year.
Cf wouldn’t have been bad defensively if Hicks played and IKF is a huge upgrade. He’s not playing the outfield lol
YourDreamGM
@Samuel Their farm system is already good. Would have been great if they didn’t trade for Rizzo and Gallo.
Yanks2
Glad Sanchez is finally gone; the guy should’ve been traded or non-tendered two seasons ago. Probably the laziest catcher I’ve ever seen. He had a clutch home run two or three times a year which was his only redeemable quality.
Not even the Yankees’ pitchers wanted to pitch to him. Lot of them preferred Higashioka as their preferred catcher and that speaks volumes to how lousy they felt about Sanchez’s ability to call games and play C.
As for Urshela, I’m a bit sad he’s gone but I don’t think he would’ve replicated his 2019 season as we all know the ball was juiced.
Best Screenname Ever
Twins clean the page of a bad contract.
chuck123
Donaldson – another guy that strikes out a ton. I am glad Sanchez is gone but don’t think this was a deal that made sense for either team. Urshela was clutch – will be missed. Just don’t get it
Mario93
You’re gonna love Donaldson in the bronx.. he’ll be one of your best hitters, especially playing half a season in that stadium.
MurderersRow27
Donaldson struck out 114 times last year, and waked 74 times… that’s not nearly as bad as you made it sound. Donaldson is definitely an upgrade over Gio at 3B, and IKF is a damn good defensive SS that will hit for contact and steal about 20 bases or so. By itself, this trade opens up a large hole at starting catcher (unless you truly believe Higgy/Rortvedt are going to be the catchers for the Yankees) and doesn’t make perfect sense for the Yankees… but there has to be more moves on the way, and when it’s all said and done (whatever else is on the way, I’d expect another 2-3 moves or so) it’ll probably (hopefully) make more sense to me.
HalosHeavenJJ
What a massive downgrade at catcher for the Twins. From a solid defender and good bat to hands of stone
YourDreamGM
If he is their starting catcher. If he is still a twin in April.
stanthefan
I don’t hate this move at all for the Yankees. One, I know the Yankees are not done making moves, two, they just got much better defensively, three, I don’t think it was the Yankees hitting that cost them.
Heck, getting a catcher who can keep runners from advancing on pass balls alone improves this club. Then you have done gloves in that infield now.
Cashman never ceases to amaze with creativity. We’ll see if Donaldson plays like he did for ATL a couple years back. If he does, wow!
Mario93
I’m sorry, but anybody who says this is a terrible deal for the Yankees doesn’t know baseball. As a Jays fan, I’m telling you, Donaldson will hit bombs left and right in that Yankees stadium. Falefa is a sure handed shortstop which they needed…
Donaldson is another premier bat to add to that lineup. And if he’s in form, he could be as good as anyone in that lineup.
It’s a fantastic trade for the New York Yankees … what did they give up .. Gio Urshela? Average as h3ll and Gary Sanchez. While the Yankees also got a catching prospect.. it’s a flat out fleecing by the New York Yankees and it made their team a whole lot better… Donaldson in that ball park? That’s scary. It’s an amazing trade for them.
Congrats to the Yankee fans, they should be extremely happy about this deal. They gave up nothing but Urshela, Sanchez is useless at this point. And Donaldson is 10x the player Urshela is.
Hammerin' Hank
Agreed, although the Twins do benefit by moving Josh’s big contract. That’s the only reason they did the deal.
RobM
@Hammerin, and yes, that also makes sense for the Twins.
User 3663041837
Donaldson is expensive and has injury concerns. Wouldn’t be surprised if he spends half the year on the IL.
DogDays2
That’s cool. He’ll probably still hit 20 homers…
User 3663041837
Hitting homers isn’t impressive in the era of 3 true outcomes. Gallo will hit at least 25 and a lot of Yankee fans want him gone.
DogDays2
My point was that it’s ok if he doesn’t play 162. The exaggeration on here about his “injury history” are an overreaction.
The guy can still be a good player for two years and I love his intensity.
emac22
What they gave up was 50 mil for the last two years of his career.
The difference in cost between him and Correa over that period is really small.
DogDays2
The key term there is “over that period”
I’m glad they didn’t sign Correa.
Mtreg
With the ability to absorb more salary than the Twins, it could be possible that Donaldson could be flipped quickly for someone like a Contreras. Why give prospects when you can absorb a few million for two years or so?? I see more teams willing to trade for JD from the Yanks than Twins because of that ability.
I just don’t see Donaldson working out in NY. He has to stay healthy and I don’t see it. This has to be the first move in a series of moves.
Gio will be fine in Minnesota. Good pick up on their end. I always liked Sanchez but the problem was you were constantly waiting on the edge of your seat for this guy to explode and it never happened. For the Twins, he’d be a lot easier to flip than JD.
Hammerin' Hank
You mean Willson Contreras? What would the rebuilding Cubs want with Donaldson? That’ll never happen.
Mtreg
I needed a name. It could be anyone, not necessarily him. The focus was on the ability to absorb more money.
Led Hoyer
I highly doubt the cubs trade for Donaldson and if they trade Wilson it will likely be for some young upside guy in his late teens not a bunch of failed prospects currently residing on the roster.
Dustyslambchops23
Two things.
I’m a huge JD fan it’s going to hurt seeing him in pinstripes even if he’s past his prime, still a good player.
What the heck are the twins doing? Feels like they put way too much weight on getting out of the JD contract and got a pretty weak return when they are apparently still trying to be competitive ??
Mario93
Yeah … I think JD makes the Yankees a whole lot better. And they got their sure handed SS. It’s going to be a problem for our Jays. Damn.. the division got a lot tougher imo.
Yankee Clipper
Mario: This is great to hear as a Yankee fan. It’s tough looking at it from our position objectively because we see the inherent weaknesses with the move; but you all will naturally look to the strengths of the move and how it could hurt you when we play.
Dustyslambchops23
What weaknesses?
The only downfall is JD’s age and contract, which who cares? Yanks have money, it won’t handcuff them the way it did the wins.
The yanks got the 2 best players in this trade. It’s so confusing I keep refreshing to see if it’s updated to include a prospect
Mario93
@Yankee Clipper It’s scary .. Adding JD to a lineup that has Judge and Stanton and Voit. It’s a headache already. May not be what he once was, but he’s still a true professional hitter. Has a great eye, gets on base, and can hit the ball all over the field. He’s a big game player, is great defensively. He’s fiery. Lol… he strikes fear in my heart him being a Yankee I’ll tell you that much. Mean that sincerely. I think this made the Yankees true contenders.. They got a real alpha with Donaldson.
Yankee Clipper
Dusty: Alrhiugh you’re right, keep in mind, they *don’t* though. Money, especially the nearly $18M AAV it will cost them is going to be a big impact in their spending, just like any other team, except LAD, Mets, & SD. If Hal has shown one thing of late it’s that the Yankees do have a cap. The other perceived weakness here for me is that in order for IKF to truly be max value they must land Olson (or Freeman). So, the effectiveness of this move is directly impacted by the next move because IKF is not a starting SS on most teams – his bat doesn’t compensate enough for the defense, which is not bad, but not great.
TalkSomeSense
The Yanks have added more variability in their 22 season. Another Player in JD who could give them 3.5-4War or miss a big chunk with injuries. A ton of injury risk on this team .
Best Screenname Ever
Sounds like Canada just got a whole lot of Yankee fans. Maybe Cashman can get David Price, and trade them Donaldson and Price for Bichette and Hernandez and Manoah. Fans in Canada might love it!
Twins cleaned $25MM a year for a 700-800 OPS guy off their books, which is a nice move for them. But they traded down at C by all accounts to do it.
Mario93
Yet Donaldson was injured off an on? As twins fans love to say. Allow him to be healthy, let him get his rythm. When he was healthy with the Braves he was one of the best hitters in baseball still.. at his age. True professional hitters are a rarity.. Donaldson is exactly that.
Pitt1623
I think Sanchez could be a great rebound candidate getting out of New York. He will have way less pressure on him in Minnesota and the guy has shown flashes of greatness with the bat in the past.
Viveleempireevil
Michael Pineda went there and rehabbed himself so it seems like a thing between these 2 clubs.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Just let him be who he is.
“A catcher that hits like Manny Ramirez” was always impossible to live up to. But he knocks the snot out of the ball & still has that big arm.
His BA will be ugly. His OPS will not.
No. He won’t be winning a Gold Glove. But for his career he is at -6 DRS. So – despite the popular narrative – his glove really won’t kill you.
At his best, he is an All Star caliber player.
But a struggling Gary Sanchez might be the most difficult player I have ever forced myself to watch. It gets ugly. & he seems to carry a bad AB or defensive miscue with him well after it’s over.
But: along with some brilliant managing by Joe G, Gary damn near dragged us to the WC game all by himself in ’16. & in ’17 he & Judge were a true force.
Best of luck to Phat Sancho. The NY media just killed this kid. But – hey – that’s the 4th estate for ya.
antsmith7
Why do the Yankees hate left handed hitters?
David Barista
Donaldson can still hit, but the Twins regretted this contract because of his age, health, and price…. It’s frustrating to watch long term deals like his get routinely handed out when the final seasons/terms don’t logically add up… Twins lineup can really hit, but they need more pitching
Finlander
4 dimensional chess. What is going on? There has to be a Storyline here somewhere.
Viveleempireevil
IKF hit .270 with Texas. If he hits .270 in THIS lineup and plays above average SS the deal is a steal.
madmanTX
Good luck with that. Go look at Mark Teixeira’s production in NY after leaving Texas. You’ll get a good glove, but probably not .270 or better.
DogDays2
Bizarre comparison.
bigjonempire
Seriously, not even the same parks for either team.
Moneyballer
This is pure speculation but is it possible the Twins are clearing the books to take a legit run at signing Carlos Correa?! They still have a need at shortstop.
Holy Cow!
I doubt it. I think they spread the savings from Donaldson on value players.
puhl
You know, it would go against what the Twins organization would normally do, but I’ve been sitting here thinking the same thing. Correa would be great for Minnesota. He’s always hit well in that park and he’s a great on the field leader which that team could use. They could pay him $300M plus and still not have a team payroll over $140M. On the other hand, Correa wants to win and the Twins starting pitching might be too suspect, even with Sonny Gray, for him to agree to go there.
captainskol
The Althetic is reporting that the Twins are deep into talks with Trevor Story.
Moneyballer
Well this comment aged well! Pats self on the back.
Darryl Rose
@Moneyballer
I 100% discounted your original comment.
Well played.
manos
Clear win for the Twins just for getting out from Donaldsons contract.
Viveleempireevil
You won’t be so sanguine once you’ve seen Sanchez behind the dish.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
A coup for the Yankees. They got a still elite 3rd baseman, a potential star shortstop and gave up a flash in the pan Urshela and a catcher it seems like they consider non-tendering every year. Just a flat out steal for a win now Yankees team.
FSF
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This guy gets it!
seamaholic 2
Donaldson’s terrible now and can’t stay on the field. You must have been asleep the last couple years.
Dustyslambchops23
JD is probably a 3 WAR player still.
Overpaid and aging yes, but far from terrible
MLB Top 100 Commenter
People always like to say that $20 million a year guys who play like $10 million a year are worthless. Oh well. The real question is Donaldson an upgrade from Urshela at this point. Probably. The disappointment for Yankees fans is that this trade would appear to mean they are no longer in on Story or Olson.
DogDays2
Terrible? Go back to watching basketball
Wilmer the Thrillmer
JD put up a 3.2 WAR last year. Urshela 0.6. Take your choice.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, this, in combination with whatever trade is coming, is likely going to be a really good trade for the Yankees, my hyperbolic statement above aside. Donaldson has real power and hits about as well as Urshela, but the keys to this trade being effective, are going to be the following moves, which will have a multiplier effect on this one (ie, IKF at SS with Olson’s bat at 1B, or Story, Rizzo, JD, DJL as the IF & IKF the UTL guy).
And of course, now we get to have a real C, which means the good rotation from last year gets even better.
Dogs
The Yankees will be trading with the Padres real soon is my guess.
Darryl Rose
@Kevin Johnson
Donaldson is far from elite and after jettisoned Voits contract they could have had 27 year old Correa at short. Instead they have two 32 year Olds at 1st and 3rd
Fg-3
This has a Torres trade written all over it… Dj at 2b and Olson or Rizzo at 1b Donaldson and Stanton go back and forth at DH with Gallo and judge as well. This is a solid move… it gives us depth power and options. Good deal. And NO. One saw this coming
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Torres trade – to who? Who wants Torres? He is not that bad, but I don’t see a team looking for his package.
itsmeheyhi
Gleyber should notify MLB if teams are looking for his package.
ohyeadam
Nobody wanted Sanchez either but Cashman still managed to get rid of him
madmanTX
Might as well have been a three way trade with the Rangers then. Weird.
phantomofdb
Ben rortvedt is built like a pro wrestler. He can probably hit a ball over the right field porch with his bicep
Viveleempireevil
5’10: and 205 lbs.???
phantomofdb
And probably 4% body fat. Look up pics of his muscles lol
Yankee Clipper
Dude, I Googled exactly what you said: “Nude pics of rortvedt‘s muscles”
The results were offensive. And I trusted you!
DogDays2
Nice to see this site embracing the homosexual community….
Oddball Hererra
UGH
I guess they achieved something by offloading Donaldson’s contract, but by bringing Urshela back you have blocked Miranda with a low ceiling schlub. Oh so very Twins move.
bigjonempire
Urshela is a nice player but he isn’t blocking anyone. You can’t block a better player at a minimal salary and average at best talent. He’s a perfect stopgap that can easily move to bench when Miranda is ready.
captainskol
Twins are gonna use that savings and sign Trevor Story. Sources from the Athletic say the Twins are deep into talks with Story. Please can we get this one done Twins….PLEASE!!!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Twins used the savings to sign Sonny Gray.
jeppeson
Gray is not making that kind of money
NYCORNERSTONE
We should get Puig next to room with Donaldson who I’m betting gets in a fight with Stanton
brucenewton
Yankees not about to let the Mets be the oldest starting roster in baseball.
jeppeson
Story to the Twins , it’s gonna happen. Just makes sense.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
That Story won’t be written.
Oddball Hererra
Hah – Story in my book would be kind of like Donaldson, in that he is a guy the Twins got because everyone else knew better. Though he is younger and less injury prone at least….that 2021 season and leaving Colorado are big red flags for a guy who probably wants top 20 money
martevious
Steal for the Yankees. Sanchez can’t hit.
FSF
And that’s by far his best quality.
Yankee Clipper
Not true! Check your facts, man. Sanchez hit……once…..in…..2017?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Yankees currently have 42 on their 40-man roster. They added JD, IKF, Roverdt, and Locastro and dropped Gio and Sanchez today. We should fully expect more moves coming.
Mynameisnoname
Donaldson brings a lot more loud contact than Urshula while IKF is being acquired for his defense and versatility, he also puts the ball in play. That’s a nice element at the bottom of the order.
Who cares about money? Maybe Cohen and the backpage wars has lured Hal’s self imposition into 250-270 territory.
yankee766766
Kiner-Falafa is more valuable than people even think….Position Versatility is huge. And for the record, even though it was in 2018, he had a ..996 fielding% at the catcher position…. …and threw out 50% of attempted steals…..HHmmmmmmm…..
Adampunk13
Yes and a 10 rds last year at short stop. He can save a lot of runs.
❤️ MuteButton
Love it! Baseball is back. This is a great blockbuster giving us plenty to gripe, moan and/or cheer about!
Poster formerly known as . . .
Remember this headline in the New York Post?
“Josh Donaldson calls out Gerrit Cole amid MLB cheating saga”
Great move. Ditch an economical dugout favorite (Urshela, he who runs into dugouts after foul balls) to import a notorious animosity against your $324M ace for the amazing low price of $50 million for a 36-year-old who’s missed 174 days with calf injuries since 2017.
A Cashman specialty: Old? Check. Right-handed? Check. Oft-injured? Check. Slow on the basepaths? Check. Expensive? Check.
Urshela is six years younger, under team control for two more years, and is making only $6.55M in 2022.
Since 2020, Donaldson’s been worth 3.1 fWAR. Urshela’s been worth 2.6 fWAR. bWAR liked Donaldson more at 3.8 to Gio’s 2.6. Whatever. Fangraphs put Donaldson’s two-year dollar value at $24.5M and Gio’s at $20.8M. And Donaldson’s worth $16,450,000 more in 2022?
Kiner-Falefa is taxed with -6 Outs Above Average at short since 2018 and credited with +19 OAA at third.
Playing guys out of position — another Cashman specialty.
There’s no learning with this guy. None.
Oh, and for you guys cheering the departure of Sanchez — he’s 12th in fWAR among catchers since 2020. Who’s catching now? Higgy?
Poster formerly known as . . .
Oops! My bad. Sanchez is 12th since 2018. 27th since 2020. But the question stands: who’s the starting catcher? Cashman had better get one, don’tcha think?
Yankee Clipper
This move was, pure and simply, to get IKF. And we paid $50M for him w/ Urshela.
A) This is a good move potentially, IF it’s complemented by Olson, Story, & C. Or;
B) This is a horrible move if it’s anything less than a Olson or Freeman & C to supplement it (we can do without Story at SS, but for it to be a great move we need a true FT SS, imo).
We await Cashman’s next move….
bigjonempire
I don’t think you’re entirely correct. I think IKF is a stopgap or temp insurance for the shortstop prospects. I think the Yanks would love to trade for Olson and probably Sean Murphy too. Torres might work as the key piece but the A’s will still want a gang of prospects to come with him and not low end ones.
Ducky Buckin Fent
“…trade for Olson and probably Sean Murphy too…” Wouldn’t that be something.
@Yankee Clipper: I like how @bigjon thinks!
Yankee Clipper
Right on, DBF! He’s an upstate NY kid if I recall correctly too, man. Perfect fit. But man, that would decimate our farm…’like a tornado through a trailer park.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Well you know me & the farm: could give af.
I actually wouldn’t be surprised if Cash thinks our catchers are on the roster already.
DogDays2
I completely disagree.
Gio was great for the Yankees but this is a steal. First off, you have no idea what the Yankees plans are. Donaldson will probably DH at times and KF might see time at 3rd base and even if he plays SS, it’s a huge upgrade over Gleyber. And now they don’t have to commit big money to a FA SS!
As for catcher, do you really think the Yankees are going into the season with only the current catchers? It’s the Yankees!
I feel too many people simply look at stats. Any Yankee fan will tell you that it was time for Gary to go, and Donaldson can bring a toughness the Yanks could use.
54scooterb
Would the Cubs trade Contreras to the Yankees? What would the return be?
Poster formerly known as . . .
Two possibles: Voit to DH and first, and the return of Gleyber Torres. On second thought, scratch Torres, there’s no spot for him in Chicago. Probably some pitchers would be involved. I don’t know who. Maybe Green?
DogDays2
Lol the Cubs couldn’t use Gleyber Torres?
That’s a good one!
Poster formerly known as . . .
I’m not a Cubbies follower, but I thought their trade for Madrigal was supposed to be a big acquisition. If he’s the starting second baseman, where would Torres play? Not shortstop, that’s for sure. Short and second are the only positions he’s ever played in the majors except five games at DH, and he played only 23 games at third in the minors.
DogDays2
Gleyber isnt a good defensive shortstop but he’s better than the two middle infielders the Cubs have.
Poster formerly known as . . .
They just acquired Andrelton Simmons to play short. He was fifth in Outs Above Average last year. Nick Madrigal and Nico Hoerner both hit over .300 last year, and the Cubs’ infield ranked fourth in Outs Above Average last year.
Yankee Clipper
I believe they will want pitching. I could see Gleyber returning if they’re interested. But, by most accounts they want young pitching, which, coincidentally, the Yankees have in excess.
I could see any combo of:
Gleyber / German
Luis Gil / Abreu
Garcia / German / Abreu
Gleyber / Waldichuck
Honestly, it could take many different shapes. It’s hard to predict because C is at a premium, but it’s only 1 year of Contreras, and young, controllable SP is at a premium as well. I just threw a few out that I think would get a serious discussion started. If they were in on Voit for DH, add him to any/all the above too. Some may need to be adjusted a bit, but it’s a good base for the trade nonetheless.
Poster formerly known as . . .
I think German’s low cost and team control through 2024 would boost his value somewhat, although his ERA+ is sub-par. I’d rather deal German than Gil, Abreu or Waldichuck, but the Cubbies might see some value in German’s starter experience. If they’d take Voit, all the better. They’d be gambling on a guy who can’t stay on the field, but maybe with a DH slot to fill, they’d figure he could stay healthy.
CursedRangers
Several times over the last couple of weeks I’ve thought MLB Trade Rumors has a better write-up on a story than the Athletic has. This is yet another example. Kudos to a free site for outperforming a paid site.
Paddy
I love everything about this deal!!
Northeasternskier
The Yanks also have Team Debt Payments and have to try to sell preseasons to a host of disgruntled corporate baseball enthusiasts. Donaldson creates an instant buzz. Bet I could buy a Yankee Donaldson jersey at this very moment.
Yanks have a rich tradition of picking up aging superstars…Reggie Jackson was 31, Enos Slaughter was 38, Griffey Sr. at 32, David Justice at 34, etc., etc.
The Yankees Back Office, aka, Goldman Sachs, know what they’re doing. Bomb or not bomb, when the stat’s come out, the buzz is over and all the pre-sales are in the bank.
Larry Leonardo
wait for it. this was part 1 of a multi team trade. Oakland is next.
whyhayzee
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Fascinating
Ducky Buckin Fent
Upon a night’s reflection:
I think Higgy/Rortvedt may very well indeed be the plan at C for ’22. If that is really the case, then we are definitely going to need another bat or two.
I think we see a free agent signing next. We did some things yesterday. (Most notably filled SS.) But we’ve not addressed lineup balance yet. Nor have we added a stabilizing force to the rotation.
As 1B is the most straightforward way to achieve some lineup balance, I think we see something like Rizzo brought back. & soon.
Yanks2
Hi Ducky,
Would you be content with trading away Torres, Voit, and a prospect for Matt Olsen?
And also, are you happy that the Yankees got rid of Gary finally because I am lol
Ducky Buckin Fent
Good morning, Yanks2.
Yeah. Yeah, I would do that. Though I think the path of least resistance there would be to just bring back Rizzo. No prospect cost & just a few mil more in AAV this season.
Mixed bag for me.
I am as disappointed in Gary Sanchez as anyone on the board. Yet the stark reality is: we are not as good at catcher this morning as we were yesterday. Hoping to see more work done behind the plate for us yet. Although that is much easier said than done.
Goose
I can see Voit a good prospect and a couple of solid prospects getting an Olson deal done. It works for the A’s financially and filling their roster. Voit makes $7 million less than Olson.
I don’t see the A’s taking Torres. We can see why the Cubs had no problem moving him.
whyhayzee
Voit has very little value. Steadily declining towards mediocrity. A team might bite on Torres but he’s not any better. Another player on a steady decline. Why would teams want these guys? Sure, the Twins took two slugs, but they dumped a 36 year old making $25 million a year. Easy choice for them to make.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Voit hits. The problem is that left knee.
& – although his value has declined – Gleyber still possess the ceiling of an All Star caliber player.
As such, BBTV places their aggregate value at around $15 mil. They – like Gary Sanchez (the centerpiece that just got us Josh MF Donaldson) – do absolutely have some value. No matter how much you mets fans want to downplay it.
whyhayzee
The Mets players who are available don’t have much value either. That’s why they’re available.
Ducky Buckin Fent
& this highlights one of the main differences between us. & probably Yankee & mets fans everywhere. I really don’t know – nor do I care – about the mets players available.
That is not on my radar at all.
Outside of a good lolmets joke I care not at all about them.
whyhayzee
That’s what made 1969-1970 so cool. Mets, Jets and Knicks. New York was pretty happy to root for all three, along with the Rangers. Then along came the hatred. Islanders, Nets started winning. Yankees got good again. Giants, well, not so much. It was nice while it lasted.
dimelotitony
I don’t get this move at all for the Yankees they are now adding $50 million to a guy that not only could bring toxic to the clubhouse with his past comment on cole but pushes the Yankees payroll to $242 million as this proves yet again that Brian Cashman does not know how to allocate the payroll. He brings in another aging player that happens to bat right handed. Why not gauge some interest in Jose Ramirez to see what a package would have taken to land him as well as Olson. Selling Gio does make sense to sell him while he still has value something he should have done with Gary Sanchez and Luke prior but I would have thought Gio could have been good to go to the A’s or Cleveland not the Twins. Now those that wanted Gary out of the Yankees have their wish but Higgy is even worse and will be exposed quickly unless this means the Yankees getting Wilson Contreras which again will not solve the 1st base & CF issues. Peraza will be traded and I hope its for Olson and Yankees may give up on Torres next to bring Olson to the Yankees unless they somehow get someone to take up on DJ.
Darryl Rose
@dimelotitony
Why are you assuming he hasn’t already had many conversations re ramirez and Olson? I suspect you would hate what it would take to get either.
Yanks2
Higashioka is light years better of a defensive catcher than Sanchez. The Yankees’ pitchers didn’t even want Sanchez as their primary catcher because he was that bad.
Metssuck22
I think it’s a loss from Minnesota considering they also had to give up garver for IKF
Adampunk13
Was never a fan of sanchez. Going to miss urshela. But I see opportunity for higashioka to play hes a quiet bat and a sure defender.
WiffleBall
Don’t get too attached. I highly suspect they’re getting a real catcher now. Higgy is not a full time backstop.
Adampunk13
Higi caught 66 games last year. Im sure he will be able to catch at least 100 games. And his pitch calling with the pitchers is great. Can certainly help the pitching staff. It was much better than sanchez calling a game.
WiffleBall
This move was made for the sole reason of getting rid of sanchez. To do it, they had to take back something they didn’t want, and lose something they didn’t want.
This is a HUGE addition by subtraction move. They had to get rid of sanchez. He was hurting the team, he was a disgruntled, poorly hitting catcher with abysmal defense.
Yanks2
They could’ve just non-tendered Sanchez but for whatever reason they didn’t
RickEO
Um what is cashman thinking. Jesus. Smdh
CluHaywood
I’ve heard of win-win trades, but this honestly seems like a lose-lose. Minnesota gave up a starting caliber Catcher, SS And 3B to get back an older catcher and less productive 3B. And the Yankees got Donaldson, who his negative impact to clubhouse balance can’t be undersold, especially with his history with Cole.
Y4L
There is no doubt that the trade is setting up another trade. I’m guessing Oakland is sending Murphy and Olsen to the Yankees for a package, including Gleyber. That puts DJ back at 2nd, where he belongs. They still need that super utility player, like Tyler Wade was last year.
slider32
Great move, Donaldson is a star player who can hit in the clutch, and Falefa is a major defensive upgrade for the pitching. I can’t wait to hear Sterlings home run call for him! That is if he hits one this year. Fangraphs has the Yanks projected at 53.1 now which is #1., but as Sterling says, you can’t predict baseball Susan.
msqboxer
Seems like a win win trade to me. Yankees dump Sanchez and get Donaldson who seems to thrive in pressure environments. Much better competitive attitude although may cause issues in the clubhouse. Twins create $14MM in room assuming they may have that ear marked to make another move.
NostraThomas
If the Yankees could welcome Roger Clemens, I don’t think “The Bringer of Rain” will be a clubhouse issue. He’s a pretty articulate guy who is a pro and plays angry. I can root for that.
IKF joins DJL as a Swiss army knife. It’s still not out of the question that one of the kids makes the team at short, too. Maybe not Volpe, but we have a bunch.
I don’t know much about the catcher, but I know a whole lot about Gary Sanchez. A prime bounce back candidate? Who knows.
Gio I’ll miss. Nice story for a 4A player who busted out pretty big. He was never going to be the SS because of the very limited range he showed at third, but the guy brought it every day. You wonder how much COVID affected him, as well as Rizzo.
I’m on board with Ducky, Clip and the countless others that believe this trade was not in a vacuum, that there is more to come in the next couple of days, including some peripheral 40 man roster stuff. Cash has always tried to be the smartest guy in the room. This is his SAT test.
Goose
The only drawback on this deal for the Yankees is gets the team older and adds a vet that does get a lot of nagging injuries. The DH role seems to be dominated by Stanton already as he is good to miss time. For taking all of Donaldson’s salary you would think they could have gotten something else in the deal. The good news it is only 2 years left at $25 million per.
For the Twins this all comes down to what do they do with the freed up salary. They have some young players that may be able to take over. Miranda looks like a phenom but is he Gavin Lux the 2nd. Great AA/AAA breakout only to face plant out of the gate in the majors?
emac22
I wonder if this means DJ is getting traded.
Y4L
DJ is not going anywhere, at least this year. If he has another year like last year, maybe they might move him next off-season.
warnbeeb
As a Tiger fan I absolutely love seeing Sanchez in Minnesota for 18 games. Gary Sanchez is the most overrated player in the American League.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Unless he is on one of his roles. In which case, you won’t be all that happy. When Gary gets hot he is an absolute terror at the plate.
JoeBrady
Unless he is on one of his roles.
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I remember the start of 2021, with 2 HRs in two days. The NY press couldn’t write enough articles about his “comeback”. then he had a .483 OPS the rest of the month. Then he had a 1.079 from 5/27-6/30. Then he went silent for the rest of the season.
He’s a bit like JBJ, where you can’t pay attention to the day-to-day stats.
JoeBrady
Don’t under-estimate the motivation that a new contract creates. He has three seasons of 3+ bWAR in his resume. Given his recent past, I wouldn’t be surprised at 30 HRs. And he really needed to get out of NY at this point.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Yessir.
I’m happy he will get a fresh start. I wonder how things would have gone for him if his debut hadn’t been so loud. The expectations of the NY media & fan base were completely unfair. & the narratives surrounding him unfounded, inaccurate, & oftentimes just simply ill spirited.
Interesting to see all the “now we need a catcher” takes, uh?
JoeBrady
Same as the Red Sox press. They almost all have group-think. If one is negative, they will all copy or exceed. I remember Mastrodonato saying he hated Dalbec, after his outstanding rookie year. Why? Because he didn’t fit his definition of a good hitter. In NY, the writers do the same thing with guys like Gallo and Sanchez.
They don’t understand the concept of OPS included HRs. HRs are slightly inferior to OBP, but that doesn’t mean they have no value. There is a huge value in having a 30+ HR hitter in the 6-hole. That’s the 3-run HR slot right there.
JoeBrady
I like this both ways.
In two days, the Twins switch from Garver to Sanchez, which is a slight loss, and downgrade at 3B, but with a huge cost savings.
The Yankees downgrade their offense and upgrade their defense. It pushes them to a new level on the payroll, and does nothing for their CF issue.
OTOH, they didn’t have any near-term 3B solutions, so Donaldson is an okay fit. And more importantly, IKF is a perfect fit at SS, with Volpe coming up in June 2023. And this makes DJ a more valuable piece. With Donaldson’s and Voit’s injury history, DJ could play 2x a week, 2x at 3B, and 1x at 2B,
Y4L
How did they downgrade their offense?? The biggest takeaway from this was that the Yankees added payroll. Sanchez was gone after this season anyway. Gio was a good player for the Yankees, and a fan favorite but the team over the last few years just wasn’t getting it done in the post season. I believe more trades are coming this week.
JoeBrady
Y4L
How did they downgrade their offense??
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Donaldson > Urshela
IKF > no one
Rortfeld < Sanchez
Using BR projections, they add (.802+.682+.672) or .718. They gave up (.767+.733) or .750. Without knowing who was going to replace the SS numbers, I can't say for certain, but at 3B + Catcher, they are certain downgraded their offense.
DogDays2
I really liked Gio but it’s amazing we have people here that think he’s better than Donaldson.
Is it just an anti- Yankee thing?
JoeBrady
On a side note, without the Yankees, I wonder what this does to the SS situation. The numbers of teams looking at Correa and Story might be reduced to Boston, Philly, Astros and the Cubs. Could be a game of dominos at this point.
Joe says...
Never count out the Nats when it comes to Boras clients.
butch779988
Trade is about even. Donaldson won’t play 100 games. ISF and Urshela is a wash. Sanchez will suck again. Yankees took on the money which may limit further moves a bit.
DogDays2
Wrong, it actually frees them up. No long term commitment at SS.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Nope, not a wash. Gio can hit, and Kiner-Falefa is rated a negative defender at short by OAA. Since 2019, Gio’s been good for 5.7 fWAR. IKF has been good for 2.0 fWAR.
DogDays2
Baseball fan: the Yankees are a joke because they have so many long term contracts. Donaldson is an injury concern
Same baseball fan: the Yankees need Correa or Story. (Long term contracts with injury concerns)
Poster formerly known as . . .
Story is 29 and missed a total of 40 days to injuries since 2017.
Donaldson is 36 and missed a total of 207 days since 2017.
Adampunk13
Wonder if issiah kinner-felefa was still with the rangers. If the Yankees would’ve gave up sanchez and urahela still?
pbfog
What a joke
pbfog
Leave it to the Yankees to trade for an expensive 36 year old player.
dasit
i don’t give a crap if the yankees won the trade or not, i’m waiting to see what sterling does with the home run calls
prediction for JD:
“josh!!! by gosh i think he’s done it!!!”
prediction for IKF:
something vaguely offensive relating to his hawaiian heritage i.e. “poi oh poi did hit he that one!!!”
prediction for rortvedt (assuming he actually hits a home run):
“don’t be upset!!! it’s rortvedt!!!”
suggestions welcome
Adampunk13
Clever lol .. maybe Josh donald trumps it
Silas
IDK, hate to see Gio go, guy was a stud for us. I really hope Josh Boy thrives. I feel Kinda Fellaffel about the whole thing.
Poster formerly known as . . .
If you feel awful about Falefa, a nice felafel might make you feel effa so much betta.
Adampunk13
Clever lol .. maybe Josh donald trumps it
rumors171
The Yankees getting rid of Gary Sanchez is addition by subtraction, but the same could be said of the Twinns moving James Donaldson with his contract albatross and bad clubhouse lawyer chemistry history.
NYCORNERSTONE
Got rid of the worse catcher in baseball Gio and Gary combined contracts =18 million do the math Falefa gold gold glover 20 steals had more hits than any Yankee last year
nobody wanted Correa End of Story
Darryl Rose
Career .OPS of .670 and 84 walks in his career.
And his gold glove was for playing third base not shortstop.
Meanwhile they spent $41 million per year on a 32 and 36 year old corner infielders instead of $35 million on a 27 year old star shortstop.
JerryBird
Not much to write about? Unless I missed something, this is OLD news…