The Rangers’ huge offseason continues, as Texas has agreed to terms with free agent shortstop Corey Seager on a ten-year deal, the team announced today. According to various reports, it’s a massive $325MM guarantee for the Boras Corporation client. He’ll reportedly receive a $5MM signing bonus and a $32.5MM salary in 2022. Seager will make $35MM in 2023, $34.5MM in 2024 and $32MM in 2025 before settling in at $31MM annually from 2026-31 as part of the front-loaded pact. The deal also contains limited no-trade protection but does not feature any opt-out clauses.
It’s the Rangers’ second big-ticket free agent infield pickup of the offseason, as they also agreed to terms with Marcus Semien on a seven-year, $175MM deal. The Rangers announced Semien’s signing at the same press conference. Huge as the Rangers’ investment in Semien is, the Seager deal is on a whole other level. The $325MM guarantee will tie Giancarlo Stanton’s November 2014 extension for the sixth-highest sum in MLB history (and Stanton’s was distributed over a thirteen-year term). The $32.5MM average annual value checks in eleventh all-time.
It’s an incredible investment, although that’s a testament to Seager’s blend of productivity and youth. He’ll turn 28 years old next April, making him one of the younger options available in free agency. More importantly, Seager’s one of the game’s best players — a middle-of-the-order lineup presence capable of playing shortstop. A former first-round pick and top prospect, he’s more than lived up to lofty expectations.
Seager has been an above-average bat in every season of his career, and he’s been far better than most at the plate for the bulk of that time. By measure of wRC+, he’s been at least 27 percentage points above the league average in four of his five seasons with 200+ plate appearances. Seager has been especially productive over the past two years, combining for a .306/.381/.545 line over 641 regular season trips to the plate since the start of 2020. That’s the eighth-best offensive production leaguewide (minimum 500 plate appearances) and that’s before considering Seager’s huge showing in the 2020 postseason. He was perhaps the single greatest driver of the Dodgers’ World Series run that year, winning NLCS and World Series MVP honors after popping seven homers over 57 combined plate appearances between the two rounds.
Those great bottom line results are supported by Seager’s underlying metrics. He has never struck out at a higher-than-average rate in a season, and he rarely chases pitches outside the strike zone. Seager’s 11.7% walk rate in 2021 was the highest of his career, around three percentage points better than the league mark. The left-handed hitter pairs that plate discipline with high-end raw power, consistently rating well above-average in terms of average exit velocity, hard contact rate and barrel rate (essentially how often a hitter makes hard contact at the optimal angles for power).
Any player with Seager’s offensive acumen would be in high demand, but that kind of production is particularly impressive from a shortstop. Aside from a brief stint at third base in his 2015 rookie season, Seager has exclusively played the infield’s most demanding position. Advanced defensive metrics have been mixed on his work. Defensive Runs Saved has pegged him just a touch below-average in each of the past few seasons; Statcast’s Outs Above Average rated Seager fairly well in 2019 and 2020 but pegged him as a fair bit below par in 2021.
Those metrics seem to align with the general understanding of Seager’s defense. He’s a competent if unexceptional shortstop, unlikely to either win a Gold Glove nor immediately have to move off the position. His 6’4″, 215-pound frame has led to some speculation he might kick over to third base at some point down the line, but it’s likely the Rangers envision him as a franchise shortstop for at least the next few seasons. Even if Seager eventually has to assume a less demanding defensive role, he should be more than capable of living up to the higher offensive demands of positions further down the defensive spectrum.
While there’s not much to nitpick about Seager as a player, he has dealt with a couple of significant injuries over the past few seasons. He missed the bulk of the 2018 campaign recovering from a UCL sprain that required Tommy John surgery. This past season, he suffered a right hand fracture on a hit-by-pitch that cost him two months. Seager absolutely mashed at a .335/.417/.592 clip upon returning from that most recent issue, though, likely assuaging any fears on the part of teams about his current level of health.
Seager now becomes the centerpiece of an incredible offseason for the Rangers and their fanbase. Texas brass has hinted at the potential for an active winter for months, but it wasn’t until a few weeks ago it became clear ownership might sign off on an historic spending spree. Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reported earlier this month that the Rangers could add $100MM to their 2022 books alone, and between the recent deals for Seager, Semien, starter Jon Gray (four years, $56MM) and corner outfielder Kole Calhoun (one year, $5.2MM), they’ve added around $76.7MM to next year’s payroll within the past 36 hours alone.
That’s in part due to the wide open payroll outlook the Rangers carried into the winter. José Leclerc ($5.25MM) is the only other player with guaranteed money on the books for 2022; Seager, Semien and Gray are the club’s only long-term commitments. Active as they’ve been, it’s certainly possible the Rangers aren’t done yet. Texas currently has around $125MM in 2022 player expenditures, in the estimation of Jason Martinez of Roster Resource. (That assumes the Seager, Semien and Gray deals are paid out relatively evenly; specific contract terms on each have yet to be reported). For a franchise that spent around $160-165MM on players in both 2016 and 2017, there could still be more funds in reserve.
Regardless of what’s to come, the past two days have marked an incredible turnaround for a franchise coming off three last-place finishes in the past four years. That’s not to say the Rangers are certain to contend in 2022. The roster still has plenty of holes, particularly in the starting rotation. Still, installing Seager and Semien into the middle infield and Gray near the top of the rotation locks in some certainty at key areas of the roster.
At the very least, the 2022 Rangers should be far better than the 60-102 team they trotted out in 2021. And Semien, Seager and Gray will all be key pieces of a club that could legitimately contend in 2023 — particularly if top third base prospect Josh Jung hits the ground running as an above-average player alongside their star middle infield.
Until Jung’s arrival, Isiah Kiner-Falefa looks likely to kick back over to third base. The 26-year-old broke in as a third baseman but acclimated well upon a move up the defensive spectrum to shortstop this past season. While the Rangers likely didn’t see displacing Kiner-Falefa as a must, the opportunity to add two members of this offseason’s stacked shortstop class ultimately proved too tempting to pass up. Semien, meanwhile, looks likely to stay at second base, where he spent the 2021 season with the Blue Jays after a lengthy run as the A’s shortstop.
The Rangers already forfeited their second-highest 2022 draft choice and gave up $500K in international bonus pool space to sign Semien, who rejected a qualifying offer from Toronto. They’ll lose another pick to sign Seager, who declined a QO from the Dodgers. Signing multiple qualified free agents in the same offseason actually makes some amount of sense, though.
Under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement, teams that sign multiple qualified free agents pay a diminishing penalty. A team that already forfeited its second-highest pick on one qualified player (like the Rangers) lose their third-highest pick to sign another qualified free agent. That’s less costly than the second-highest pick other clubs in the Rangers’ revenue bucket would have had to forfeit to land Seager, a small benefit for teams concentrating their big free agent investments in the same offseason.
The primary appeal, though, is in simply adding a pair of star players to the 2022 roster. That’s the position in which the Rangers find themselves, while Seager’s former team finds itself in the opposite situation. The Dodgers have seen both Seager and Max Scherzer (who landed a record-setting three-year deal with the Mets) land elsewhere within the past few days. Los Angeles’ acquisition of Trea Turner from the Nationals at this past summer’s trade deadline gives them another All-Star caliber shortstop capable of stepping into Seager’s place.
Of course, the Dodgers aren’t likely to sit idly by for the rest of the offseason. Particularly as they battle with the Giants (and potentially Padres) in a loaded NL West, it’s likely Los Angeles will continue to explore ways to bolster a still-stacked roster. In the meantime, they’ll receive a compensatory pick after the fourth round in the 2022 draft for Seager’s departure as a team that exceeded the luxury tax threshold in 2021.
Seager’s signing is the latest in a transactions flurry getting in before the looming expiration of the current CBA on Wednesday night. Seager’s and Scherzer’s departures from L.A. could have a massive impact on the NL West race, while the Rangers’ run of big-ticket acquisitions and the Mariners’ agreement on a nine-figure deal with Robbie Ray will have reverberations in the AL West for years to come.
Finally, Seager’s deal becomes a key data point for the rest of the free agent shortstops remaining, particularly Carlos Correa. While Seager and Correa were the clear top two names in this winter’s class, Correa is generally expected to command a loftier deal based on his superior defense at shortstop. Seager’s guarantee, however, comes in above MLBTR’s ten-year, $305MM estimate entering the winter. In light of the robust market we’ve seen in recent weeks, it wouldn’t be a surprise if Correa also tops his ten-year, $320MM projection whenever he puts pen to paper. That’s particularly true in light of the Rangers signing two of the top five shortstops. The Yankees, Phillies, Mariners and Astros are among the other clubs who could still be motivated to land a long-term infielder.
Jeff Passan of ESPN first reported the Rangers and Seager were in agreement on a ten-year, $325MM guarantee. Jon Heyman of the MLB Network reported the limited no-trade protection and the $5MM signing bonus, as well as the absence of any form of opt-out clause. Levi Weaver of the Athletic was first with the specific contract breakdown.
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mdbaseball05
Rats. Was hoping he’d come to the Mariners. Yikes for the AL West though… gonna be fun to watch.
StlSwifty
Good for Corey! Wish him the best.
The Mets "Missed WAR"
I wonder how the Dodgers feel about this. They lost Corey Seager and Max Scherzer in the same day. It will be interesting to see if they lose Chris Taylor as well. Who can they sign to replace those guys? Correa, Story and Baez all want to play shortstop but Trea Turner has already been promised that position. They will probably either keep CT3 and make him an everyday 2nd baseman. Or get Story or Baez to agree to a pillow contract and play 2nd for one year. If they go with Baez they can QO him after next season is over.
The Rangers now have one of the best middle/left infields in the game. Kiner, Semien and Seager are all great players. It cost the Rangers over half a billion dollars to get that done. I’m thinking the Tigers lock up Correa pretty soon before the someone else picks him up.
Bright Side
The Dodgers knew this was happening, which is why they dealt for TT.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Dodgers were fully expecting this in my opinion. Even when they traded for Scherzer, I’m sure they thought most likely this is a rental with the opportunity to keep Trea Turner for at least an extra season and to fill in the gap when Seager leaves.. And I doubt the terminology is lost Scherzer and Taylor. If the Dodgers really wanted to they could have kept either Scherzer or Seager but that would hinder their ability to get other players to fill in roster spots. Free agency season pretty much playing out as I expected. Taylor was always the most likely to be kept between the three but I think at this point he’s likely gone too as the Dodgers don’t like to pay market value for too many players.
mydadleftme
I think the dodgers are trying to reset the tax. They’re only 3 mil above it currently… without resigning anyone. Could be harsher penalties to come after the CBA
IndianaBraves85
They still have Turner and Lux at 2B/SS. I’m sure they aren’t panicking.
Richard Alicea
Baez is not taking a one year contract, he’s coming back to the Mets on a 5-6 year deal worth around 140.
cheesesteak
No chance Story or Baez take a pillow deal.
JoeBrady
Or get Story or Baez to agree to a pillow contract and play 2nd for one year.
=================================
At today’s prices, neither one of them are taking a pillow contract. They will each easily clear $100M.
Cubsforever22
Yea his market is supposedly robust, not gonna take anything under 150 prolly
deweybelongsinthehall
Agreed. While KS is a very good player, the number and Texas reminds me of ARod. While the team perhaps can afford it, is the the best use of funds locking in for the next ten years?
deweybelongsinthehall
Bingo. Teams straddling the threshold are wondering about the next CBA.
SportsFan0000
Trea Turner is the Dodgers SS. Young Gavin Lux will get a lot of reps at 2B/
carllafong
They will definitely lose Chris Taylor, and very possibly Jansen. BUT… they have Trea Turner to play short, and Beuhler to lead the deepest starting staff in baseball. So don’t cry for the Dodgers– they’re fine. Cry for the Angels if they don’t at least come away with Stroman.
stymeedone
I want to know who was bidding the price up other than Boros. I’m not aware that the NYY were actually bidding on him. Never saw an article linking him to the Tigers. LA Dodgers seemed content with Turner already on board. Lot of Seattle rumors, but didn’t see his name tied to them. NYM love to have even their failures publicized. SO WHY DID THE RANGERS FEEL THEY HAD TO PAY HIM THIS MUCH FOR THIS LONG!? Seems they were bidding against themselves. If Correa thinks he should get more “because”, I would tell him he should have signed with the Rangers, then.
neurogame
@carllafong
They don’t have the deepest staff in the league anymore. Who do they have beyond Walker & Julio?
Kershaw, most likely getting a legacy contract, has a forearm strain. That’s not going to be magically healed because of the off-season. If he comes back, count on him being a frequent member of the IL.
Gonsolin was injured most of last year and wasn’t that effective when he returned. He started 13 games and barely averaged over 3 innings per start.
Price is not a regular starter anymore. The times he did start, he never made it to 5 innings. He couldn’t pitch in the post season due to an elbow injury. That does not bode well.
Dustin May is returning from TJS. He’ll be on an innings limit. Even if he makes it through the second half of the regular season, he’ll probable held back in the postseason.
Mitch White is currently a spot starter. Perhaps they make him a regular but right not he is a 5th starter at best.
The dodgers need, at least, one more starting pitcher. I just don’t know if whoever is available is a good fit for them.
MatthewLVT17
Good call on the contract though
thecoffinnail
Mets will not be signing a middle infielder this year. Cano will keep them from doing that for a bit. His contract is a huge anchor. The Mets need a big OF bat anyway. Schwarber would have been a good fit. They also need to spend some money on conditioning. Way too many injuries the last couple of years.
Gothamcityriddler
Shiver me timbers. Ahahahaha!
Fever Pitch Guy
Well if there was anybody left that thought there was still a chance of Bloom extending Xander, you can forget about that happening now.
Xander gonna get PAID next offseason.
therealryan
Xander signed a 5 or 6 year $100+ million extension a few years ago. He’s under contract for at least another 3 seasons.
pinstripes17
Xander has an opt out after next season which he will surely exercise
statman
what a colossal overpay!!!!!!!! this contract is not going to age well. the guy has had exactly 2 good seasons when he had over 500AB’s. he’s injury prone and is not a good defensive SS. Semien is a far superior defensive SS but I’m sure that as part of this deal, Seager insisted he play SS.
keysox
Can he pitch?
kidnova
No, but I’m betting the next couple of free agents signed by the Rangers will be able to pitch just fine.
Al Hirschen
Maybe the Yankees will need uncle Steve to lend him some money
Joe says...
Hal would just pocket it.
Bright Side
If the Yankees “settle” for Story and deal for Olson, I will be more than satisfied.
Datashark
Story’s price just went up!!!
dsett75
Baez, too, most likely. Correa may get $350 now! I’m a lifelong Tigers fan, but I’d rather get 3 $100 million dollar guys versus just Correa, who already has an unpredictable back.
hitztheball
I think Correa is asking for more than $350 now. Also a Tiger fan, would a Baez signing be viewed as a disappointment?
TroyVan
Would love to see them keep money in their coffers to sign future free agents to plug inevitable holes. I have to admit that it’s starting to look more and more like Correa is coming to town.
sergefunction
With Zack Short at short presently, how can adding ANY solid big league shortstop be a disappointment?
Bright Side
10 years for Seager is ridiculous. There’s no doubt that Boras is the alpha agent of any sport.
DODGER JR
Yep I love Seager but not for 10 years. Dude has been injury prone the last 3 years in LA and I don’t see that changing in Texas
Ma4170
Is missing two months last season being hit on the hand really injury prone? I’d say correa’s issues lead more toward concerns of chronic injury than seager’s
citizen
Clearly no cyber Monday deal
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@Ma4170
Agreed. Corey’s HBP has nothing to do with injury-proneness, and his TJ surgery is well in the past. Correa’s recurrent bad back is much more concerning, especially in a shortstop of his height and weight.
Strosfn79
Correa hasn’t missed a single game due to back issues in over 2 1/2 years.
That is just as in the past as any of Seager’s issues.
Benjamin560
What are the Rangers doing? These players aren’t even young that they’re signing….let’s geeeeet…..ummmm this guy!! Lmao
At least he’s not a Yankee.
RobM
Seager is 27.
jaydizzy
27 is old?
Ducky Buckin Fent
In some circles.
Joeypower
28 by the start of next season, never had 30hrs or 20 stolen base season + his injury history is insane…… but Semian is a beast!! Probably pay one year too many but telling yaa
Smacky
When you keep going under the knife b/c of injuries it is.
Datashark
10 years = 37 years at end…my guess they will have remorse on deal with no opt out by year 7
justinkm19
He value will have exceeded the cost by then.
1fifth2fifthRed5thBlue5th
Rangers always have the option to move Seager to 3B, 1B, DH towards end of the deal depending on structure.
If they were smart theyd front load the contract something like
Age 27-32 around 36 to 38 mill a year
That would leave around 100 mill over the final seasons age 33-37
Codeeg
Thank you, people think you’re asking for a productive player by year ten when really you’re paying for a gamble he’s still productive but has already been worth his contract.
Cosmo2
According to his agent maybe, in reality, it doesn’t work like that. Y’all are suggesting that these guys are actually worth 60 million per. That’s only true to fans, agents and players.
1984wasntamanual
He’ll need to stay healthy and productive for the first few seasons and/or have a gradual decline. We’ll see, I guess. I wouldn’t bet on him being even or positive as far as value provided by the end of this.
tigerfan1968
you will not manage my money… better to back load. you take the money you save at the beginning of the contract and invest it (not crypto).
Strosfn79
And owners who pocket money left and right, see huge increases in team values, and refuse to show the books while crying poor.
Every time an owner sells he makes an INDECENT profit over the purchase price.
How can that be if they keep losing money and don’t make a profit even on these huge contracts?
kidnova
Exactly. I’ve made this exact same argument on basketball forums over the owners always screaming about how much money they’re losing. If that was reality, then why exactly has the value of your franchise gone through the roof? Common sense. These owners are full of crap. Yes, players can act entitled at times, but the owners are worse.
Wildcat98
You realize that if I own a car worth 20k, I don’t have that 20k until I sell it. If I own a franchise worth 3 billion I don’t have 3 billion until I sell it.
kidnova
Yes, but the appreciation in value of the franchise is based on the financial performance. If they weren’t making money, the value would not be increasing.
dsett75
Actually, Seager is very young, considering he’s a FA at 27. Usually, they’re more Semien’s age (31), or older.
SportsFan0000
Rangers will be like the Phillies at the end of their last run…loaded with old declining veterans on huge contracts.
Rangers better win something with these guys
or they will crash hard at the end of these long deals.
GhostOfChanHo
Rangers know exactly how that feels. Back 2 back WS seasons only 10 years ago. Spent the better half of the last decade trying to decide the best direction. Punted the last two seasons, saved bank in a top 5 market and now spending. Probably too early but sooner or later, Texas would have spent this $.
Bright Side
The Astros aren’t going away and the Angels are improving.
DODGER JR
The Angels are improving????? Really???? Their pitching staff is crap. How are they improving?
Halo11Fan
Getting Trout and Rendon back will obviously help the Angels.
You know who they are….right? I doubt you do.
Peg2
You mean getting Trout back until he gets hurt again? That Mike Trout?
dreamrei
lol improving and being a threat totally different things. and im an Angels fan. LOL.
Halo11Fan
Do you have reading comprehension issues?
Some idiot questioned the fact the Angels are improving and another idiot wrote about them being a threat.
The fact is the Rangers really stunk last year. The Ms season was a mirage and the Angels pitching stunk.
Each team is getting better. They are getting better in different ways. They are all a threat or none of them is a threat.
You choose.
SportsFan0000
M’s are not a mirage any more than the White Sox.
Both have opened a new window of contention.
The best23
No body want to play for the Mariners
Ma4170
To me seager is the one guy this offseason worth the long term investment… last years injury was a fluke… after coming back in 2019 played FT the rest of season and all 2020… his bat by all advanced metrics is above the others especially having played in a pitchers park… I think this will turn out well for the rangers but we’ll see
Scot04
He was never coming to Seattle, especially after how his brother felt he was treated here.
The Seager family will sadly be rooting against the Mariners this year. I was hoping Seager would remain in the NL, & definitely not the AL West
Terie54
I can die happy, thank you JD and Chris Young
mlbnyyfan
Wow that’s more than ARod
gbs42
Of course, A-Rod was 20 years ago…
Bright Side
Get an inflation calculator, add in the values and years and it will tell you this…
“If you were to buy exactly the same products in 2020 and 2001,
they would cost you $325000000 and $215600062.34 respectively.”
coloredpaper
Yanks fan, do you not understand how inflation works? With inflation, A-Rod was actually still paid more than Seager.
A-Rod signed in 2007 for $275m for 10yrs, but when you factor in inflation, which is equivalent to roughly $366mm today with an inflation rate of 2.08% (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics).
YankeesBleacherCreature
@ColoredPaper He doesn’t nor does he understand roster construction. Everything happens in a vacuum.
gbs42
Baseball salary inflation has been well over 2.1% annually the last 20 years.
coloredpaper
@gbs42 that is probably true… which still makes mlbnyyfan kinda… you know, Trevor Bauer
bucsfan0004
Its a hell of an offseason in Ranger nation. Congrats
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
Yes it is. How about for the Mariners too?
dsett75
I’d be happy too, if I were a Rangers fan. As a Tigers fan though, thanks to them who just pushed all the other price tags up. Correa will probably get $350 now and I hope Detroit don’t pay that ridiculous amount. I’d rather they got 3 $100 million dollar guys, personally.
SportsFan0000
Correa is not going to Detroit unless his price comes down (doubtful)
dsett75
I don’t think so either. That’s why AA is talking contract parameters with the other SS’s. EDIT: or was. Semien & Seager are gone now. I’d rather have Story. He’s a 30/30 threat. Correa doesn’t run at all.
thatdudetg
WOW
Blah blah blah
Rangers are making moves while your favorite team’s GM is asleep.
Hello, Newman
Now-now, there’s nothing wrong with anyone taking some rest & relaxation.
Happy for you Ranger nation
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I do have to admit I’d wish the White Sox had been half as busy as the Mets or Rangers. Can’t believe they’ve done nothing but sign Graveman.
Iago407
Hope they land Castellanos. He’s basically the last impact bat in FA at a position of need. After that, trade for Segura, sign a mid-tier pitcher like Kikuchi, Wood or Grienke to help bolster the rotation and call it a day. That should be imminently doable for a contending team.
RobM
True, although they are already very good, winning their division, and with the promise of being even better next year with fully healthy seasons from Robert and Jiminez.
The Mets and Rangers are trying to spend their way into relevance and both still have a ways to go, particularly the Rangers. The Mariners spend on Ray, but even they had a “lucky” record in 2021.
So we’re seeing more of the wannabe teams spending right now. Not sure what to make of. that.
iml12
They have a record payroll and pushing the current luxury tax threshold. Not offering Rodon a qualifying offer was pretty big hint.
ChiSox_Fan
Sox hoping to get Rodon cheap and for 2-3 years.
Nothing wrong with that.
Maybe they get Schwarber for the OF/DH or more likely Conforto.
They can bring back Hernandez for
much cheaper than the option salary the Sox passed on.
Or they can play the youngsters Cola, Cespedes, and the 2B.
Bright Side
I can see them getting Conforto. The Chisox need more from the left side of the plate. The question is can they deal with Boras? Then again the the bar is low for them in the weak AL Central.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
@Bright Side, I have little doubt they’ll win the ALC, but that’s not the goal of next year.
@lago407, Kimbrel for Segura has been tossed around as an idea. I could live with that, depending on what else is involved. Agree that they should sign a pitcher, but unfortunately, have to agree that it won’t be a top guy like Stroman. As for Castellanos, I don’t see it. JR’s just too cheap to shell out $20M. Conforto may be an option, but if he’s expecting both top dollar and a longer contract, I don’t want the Sox to go after him.
@iml12, in 2021, the tax took effect at $210M. The Sox, per Spotrac, are at $192.7 right now (after arb estimates and Graveman), so they still have some room. Plus, they could eat Kimbrel’s salary or take back a bad package just to save money. Also, I’d expect this $210M figure to go up a fair bit in the new CBA. Owners want to keep it low to have an artificial limit on spending, but the truth is they’ll just find other ways to keep salaries down, so it won’t matter and will be an important bargaining chip they have.
iml12
It’s all guessing at this point. The White Sox have a record payroll and are one semi decent signing away from being at or over the current luxury tax. Rodon accepts qualifying offer and they had very little wiggle room to upgrade 2nd or RF. If they didn’t care about payroll then Rodon qualifying offer was a no brainer, he either accepts or they get a draft pick. Rodons worse case scenario is signing a Thor type deal.
Ma4170
Wow good thinking, conforto would fit really well in that lineup and would love being in a hitters park finally… I was thinking Phillies or brewers but Sox could use the lefty
msqboxer
I think CWS are going allow this big wave of FA’s get signed to crazy money and then swoop in and fill some voids. The Adam Frazier trade was a head scratcher because they seem like they could have done that deal easily. I see them kicking the tires on Ketel Marte again and resigning Leury Garcia.
Vizionaire
rangers are just over-paying. anyone can do that. finding right balance is the skill needed for a f/o.
DODGER JR
They still lost over 100 games last year so pump the brakes sparky. Jon Gray is not the answer at SP.
Kayrall
wat.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
What the heck are the Rangers thinking? They’ll be much improved, but these moves don’t make them contenders.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
Seager is a solid addition
hyraxwithaflamethrower
So is Semien, but they lost 102 games last year. The moves they’ve made maybe get them back to .500 if everything is best-case scenario. That’s a lot of money to finish 3rd in your division.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Agree with .500 but they can’t be dobe adding yet bc that would make no sense.
bucsfan0004
With their 102 loss team, they were top 3 in attendance. The new ballpark factor wears off really quickly unless you put a winning product on the field. A 20 win improvement for 2022 will keep the stands full, and maybe they can make another leap in the next off-season and become a serious contender. They do have prospects coming in addition to that Texas money
iml12
Texas was open from Covid pretty much immediately. That was a huge factor
Bledcam
These pieces plus pieces we add in the future and prospects getting called up will make us contenders in 2023-2024, which is the goal. You have to bring in good players to build a good team. This is an amazing start.
chazzycat
Semien will turn 35 and Seager 30 in 2024. Not that they are guaranteed to fall off of course, but, that doesn’t seem ideal in terms of lining up their peaks with the contention window.
Bright Side
Seager, IMO, won’t age well.
Doxie
He’s not Betty Davis or Joan Crawford !! LOL
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“Semien will turn 35 and Seager 30 in 2024.”
Semien will turn 34 in September of 2024. At 30, Seager will not be old by any reasonable baseball measure. Nor will Semien be old in his age-33 season. Adrian Beltre played productively for the Rangers until he was 39.
1984wasntamanual
People need to stop with the Beltre comp. Basing likely outcomes on outlier cases is a really, really weak argument.
cubbiesjz9
In a few years, Seager’s contract will be for the Rangers what Jason Heyward’s is for the Cubs. This will hamstring the Rangers’ ability to add free agents in the coming seasons.
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@Cubbiesjz9
So what? They’re spending now to improve their team while they have the money. They just added four of their Top 23 prospects in one smart trade with the Yankees for Gallo.
1984wasntamanual
So what? So they won’t be able to fill the holes they inevitably find themselves with.
TaylorLH
This has to move them toward trading middle infield depth for pitching.
I mean you can argue one of IKF or Jung is now blocked, and they have Foscue Smith and Duran all in the 2B/SS group that are in AA/AAA.
Idk what kind of pitching they can get but realistically Semien, Seager, IKF/Jung handle the infield. Garcia is locked in one OF spot. I imagine the Calhoun’s could play one corner. Huff/Hiem catching.
They’re 2 SPs and a COF away from being competitive.
kidnova
I can see them moving IKF, but I expect Jung is untouchable. They should play Semien at short and move Seager to 2nd, assuming he’s willing.
Tassix
IKF isn’t blocked. He’s a high quality utility infielder that can’t hit well enough for regular play. He shows no signs of suddenly becoming a .300 hitter or taking enough walks to make up for his lack of power.
You’ll like him a lot more as a utility guy who plays at the bottom 1/3 of your order.
Jung is probably your starting 3B.
User 1104686089
How the heck is Jung blocked? Just put IKF at 3B until Jung comes up and then he is the utility player.
dale123
Yeah whatever we have a top minor league system.the #3 pick in draft .the angels suck the athletics suck worse Astros are falling back leaves mariners a team who hasn’t been in playoffs in a generation. Plus rangers aren’t done spending money or trading to get somebody.
Ewayne
Jung is ready. IKF will be the David Murphy of the IF. He’ll come into the season as a bench guy and still get 400+ AB sliding in for Seager, Semien, Jung, and he can also play catcher in a pinch.
Milwaukee-2208
Dodgers fans bout to cry
kellin
Nah. Trea Turner is better.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Seager has the better bat in my opinion, especially when you factor in lefty bat. Turner better glove and definitely speed/base running. Turner completely disappeared this post season, probably one of the most disappointing story lines of this year’s Dodger post-season. Seager did not have a good post season this season but in 2020 I have not seen a player so hot for every round of the playoffs. He was just dialed in. When Seager is dialed in and laying off that low breaking stuff below the knees he is such a dangerous hitter. His defense is very average but not as bad as some make it out to be. At some point he’ll move to 3B, but by then his power numbers will also increase.
DODGER JR
How is that Yelich Contract working out for you Milwaukee?
Halo11Fan
Man you’re a jerk. Does it make you feel better about your pathetic life to go on boards about other teams and troll?
Peg2
Isn’t that what you’re doing? Pot/kettle
Louholtz22
The Yelich contract sucks crap. It’s not working out and I’m P-Ohh’d. Thanks for asking
Cincyfan85
Seems like too much, just like Semien (and Scherzer).
julyn82001
Agreed. Just a bit too much to play ball for six months?
gbs42
The owners obviously have the money to spend. If the players don’t get it, it stays in the owners’ wallets.
kidnova
Plus, these may look like bargains after the new CBA is signed.
Gmen777
Not a fan of Boras but I’ll give him credit…he gets his guys paid
phenomenalajs
Sometimes he does. Sometimes he has them waiting through part of the season to finally take a mediocre deal.
Zonedeads
More times than not Boras delivers for his clients. He should be the most in demand agent in all sports
Tassix
He gets elite talent paid. How’s he do on middle-tier guys? How about “just a guy” players?
Tacoshells
WOOOOOW. Good for him. But glad the dodgers didn’t spend that nice. Nice move for rangers.
logo69
Well, Semien deal looks a little more digestible now.
BrianBrian
what about Isaiah..
justinkm19
Include him in a trade for Olson
Hello, Newman
I’m really hoping Mr Avila is inquiring
Tassix
IKF will be their high end utility infielder unless someone wants to over pay for him.
baseballpun
$500m double play tandem
mack423
$500M middle infield that can’t field
Darryl Rose
Semien just won a gold glove.
MartialArtisan
WOW! Rangers going all in.
Blah blah blah
where do he and Semien lineup defensively?
Redsoxx_62
I’m sure it’ll be Seager at SS and Semien at 2B
mydadleftme
Semien almost definitely second, I hope they put Seager at 3rd and keep Kiner-Falefa at short. Seager was a below average glove and IKF is very solid defensively.
duffys cliff
That would be smart to leave IKF at SS. Him there and Semien at 2nd is a nice defensive tandem up the middle.
Tassix
The Ranger’s have a 3B prospect (Josh Jung) who’s going to be 24 this year and as a much higher ceiling than IKF. Here’s what he did last year in the minors:
2021 TEX AA 186PA .308/.366/.544
2021 TEX AAA 156PA .348/.436/.652
IKF is going to be your utility infielder while this guy sorts it out. I would be shocked if Seager signed to move over to 3B immediately.
Scrap Iron
He’s a below average glove and not even an elite bat, but he’s being paid like he is. Good for him, very, very bad for the Rangers in about two years. Neither his contract or Semien’s are going to age well. Would be different if Texas was a legit contender, but they are a few years away.
fox471 Dave
What are you talking about? Really dumb take. Read the article about his bat scrap iron.
Darryl Rose
@Scrap Iron
What does it take for you to consider someone an elite bat?
His OPS was something like .913 and .946 the last two seasons.
Tavo
Just got out of the Andrews and here we go again hate those 10 years deals for some reason.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
The Yankees whiffed on the best free agent for them. Congratulations to the Texas Rangers.
allweatherfan
I think the Rangers overpaid to be sure to get him. Did anyone expect him to get 325? I didn’t.
skip 2
Maybe but not by much he was getting $300 million for sure!
Eatdust666
Exactly
Bledcam
You still got a great squad up there brother, no worries. I’m just happy to see us start to build something that can get us back to the post-season.
lucas0622
The AL West might just be the deepest division in baseball
Iago407
Wonder how Angels fans are feeling right now watching two of their division rivals improve so much. I know the Rangers were way behind the Angels in the standings by seasons end, but still. Curious to see how bad the A’s look by the end of this offseason. If the big sell-off turns out to be smaller than expected, that entire division could be a nightmare for those teams.
dreamrei
Angels need solid pitching. Their offense was okay, but their pitching was held on by bandages. Long gone are the days of John Lackey, young Jered Weaver, Joe Saunders…
fox471 Dave
Hardly!
terry g
I wonder if he stays at short and could they afford his brother, too
hyraxwithaflamethrower
My guess is Semien at SS because it’s the more important defensive position and Semien’s easily the better defender. Kiner-Falefa at 3B, Seager at 2B.
justinkm19
IKF might be traded. Jung is a stud and our top prospect besides Leiter.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
That’s possible, too, but I’d think they make sure Jung is ready and keep IKF for a backup. Even top prospects like Adell can look completely overmatched in their first taste of the majors.
VonPurpleHayes
Congratulations Rangers29 and fans.
mattwild1
dodgers have lost scherzer and seager in the same day. you love to see it
allweatherfan
I’m no Dodgers fan but truth is they didn’t lose Seager. They traded for Trea Turner because they knew Seager would be playing elsewhere. They decided long ago not re-sign him. Besides, Turner is the better player.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Which means re-signing Treating will cost way more than what Corey received.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Trea not treating, hate autocorrect.
Geno55
Oh your not a Dodger fan oh really LOL
padam
Was thinking the same. Bad day for the team. Perhaps now they move forward with Taylor and possibly even Baez.
LATrolleyDodger
Absolutely not to BAEZ
giantsphan12
I don’t think the Dodgers ever planned to keep Seager after they acquired Trea at the deadline. Scherzer on the other hand probably hurts for them. I’m glad neither of those guys are in Dodger blue anymore tho
Cam
Scherzer hurts, but Seager not so much. He’s been a great player for the team but in between injuries and defensive issues, it’s not the end of the world that he’s going. The writing was on the wall when they traded for Turner – now I’m excited to see him play SS. It took Seager leaving, but it had to be done.
fox471 Dave
Do you love to see it mattwild?
Franco27
We have like 3-4 teams going crazy, and very little to nothing from the rest.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Pirates spent 4 mil/1 yr for Tsutsugo. Just sayin’.
HalosHeavenJJ
Wow.
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Lol at the Dodgers!!!!!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Trea is much better than Corey, what will he seek after 2022? 400 million over ten years or more? Wow!
LATrolleyDodger
Mmm this is a tough one because Trea was stellar in the reg season but disappeared in the playoffs and Seager was meh during the season (injured too) and is usually lights out in the playoffs.
ElysianPark
Seager stunk in the playoffs this year and in prior years outside of 2020.
Also, he has had more than a “couple of injuries.” He has had major hip surgery and some back and hamstring issues, on top of the TJ surgery. A broken hand is a fluke injury. But he is not going to age very well.
Good luck to him. He is a good guy. But no way does he merit $325 million over 10 years.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Trea looked completely lost at the plate in the post-season. I was thinking to myself how he won the batting title. Part of it is that he legs out so many infield hits with his speed. He had to be the biggest disappointment this post-season. He’s a great player but I also wonder if the Dodgers will pass on him if the ask is too high. Dodgers need better cheap options. Too many players getting a lot more expensive real quickly.
fox471 Dave
Lux.
BleedingBlue162232
I think Justin Turner was a MUCH bigger disappointment this postseason and by far the worst disappointment of the Dodgers postseason. Even his defense slumped, in addition to his bat vanishing into thin air.
sleepy bear
Half a billion on 2 players. Wow.
FOmeOLS
The Rangers are the stupidest rich team this side of San Diego. But by this time next year they will be one of the stupid poor teams.
Mr. E Team
Drunken sailor spending all the rage in Arlington
mydadleftme
Holy balls
jimmy bussit
Record SS class, can’t pass this up. We have a window opening up in the next couple seasons.
birdsfan415
no wayy Seager AND Semien?
jpauld15
Yay! As a Rangers Fan, I hope these moves work out, but I’m honestly just happy they actually signed top level free agents this year. What a change!!!
Eric D
I had Corey Seager going to the Rangers in the FA Prediction Contest. 10/325 is huge. Add Semien and that’s 500M spent!! I fully expect Kyle Seager to join his brother in Texas, he hits well there.
Poopscab13
Damn they weren’t lying about opening up the checkbook. Still don’t think the rangers can just spend their way into contention though
oz10
That’s not the intention. Have many young guns up and coming. This just fills holes that are also needed as there aren’t many future superstars in the minors but a bunch of really good role players.
dale123
No they weren’t just curious to see jersey numbers for semien and seager because 5 is willie Calhoun # and #10 is retired by rangers.
Angelfan 4
Okay I get these moves, but what are they going to do about quite possibly the worst rotation(aside from Jon Gray) and worst bullpen?
User 1104686089
That worst rotation was mainly just a bunch of really young guys. They will improve and we have a number of young pitchers in the top of the minors.
1984wasntamanual
That sounds like a pretty terrible plan for any team that has any real hope of contending.
User 1104686089
They don’t have any plans to contend in 2022. This is all about 2023
BrianBrian
what about Kyle
sam 17
How much of the $100M is left?
User 1104686089
by my count we are at like $130 million?
fathead0507
67.5
justinkm19
76
sam 17
Seager: 32.5
Semien: 25
Gray: 14
Kalhoun: 5.2
Total: 76.7
Did I miss anyone?
With 23.3 left, they might actually spend the whole 100M this offseason.
GhostOfChanHo
23.3 would take them to the initial tier they talked about hitting sooner than later. JD and CY also suggested with the right situation they would add another 20-30m on top of that.
kidnova
Yeah, they’ve got plenty of money to spend, even with these signings. This team can draw when they’re putting a winning product on the field, and having a roof during the summer will only help that going forward.
dsett75
They’ll definitely be giving the rest of that to a SP, imho.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Half a billion middle infield, 325 plus 175, not counting pitcher Jon Gray and outfielder Kole Calhoun. Still not the Division favorite, but much more competitive.
30 Parks
Seager is an old school hitter. Great pickup. The money is not surprising – industry standard.
Dalton1017
My favorite signing by the rangers so far. Gray is a close 2nd
Monkey’s Uncle
Fans: Wow, the Rangers gave Semien a lot of money…
Rangers: Hold my beer…
Zonedeads
Whoa so Correa will be getting close to 400 million
Ry.the.Stunner
10 years for a guy who spends most of his time on the IL.
2001morecowbell2001
Seriously I know I’m in the minority but this is a head scratcher to me. Dudes just not the 325 million dollar man.
Scrap Iron
I would’ve been shocked at 250, so the 325 is basically laughable.
Cap & Crunch
Relieved as a Dodger fan ! Whew
Rangers29
I AM PISSING AND S***ING MYSELF ALL AT THE SAME TIME LORD HELP ME THE RANGERS ARE BACK BABYYYY
GhostOfChanHo
PREACH!
B-Minus21
Kershaw going to come home and raise these young hurlers too, and I’m here for it baby!!!!!! Haven’t been this excited since we signed Darvish! Haters can go pound it. Let us enjoy ourselves after some rough years!
Bledcam
I’m actually a bit emotional. It feels so good to see this team going all in to establish a competitive window.
bigdaddyhacks
They do know they need to have pitching to win? The angels have proved this method doesn’t work. Happy the dude got paid, but if I was a rangers fan I’d be a little concerned with the lack of pitching they have right now.
oz10
We aren’t because we have a lot of depth coming from the minors. Yes some of those guys will fail but this is the largest group of young pitchers the Rangers have ever had.
Geno55
But Sure exciting offensive team
baseballpun
So with Texas swallowing up 2 of the big options, where do Baez, Story and Correa land? Still assuming Detroit and NYY end up with two of the three?
I’d like to see the Cards sign Story and package DeJong and Knizner (with a prospect or two) to Oakland for Bassit or Manaea. Promote Herrera to backup catcher or get a cheap vet. Maybe grab a bench bat (especially if the NL gets the DH) and a bullpen arm or two and call it an offseason.
Cap & Crunch
I like your plan, solid
baseballpun
I have a feeling Story’s price is going to go up too high, though, especially now with both Seager and Semien in TEX. Depends on how intent the Yanks/Tigers/Phillies/Astros are in landing a SS. Maybe even throw in the Dodgers now.
Jesse Cook
I really think the Cardinals are done adding to the team this off season. Pretty sad their only addition will be Matz.Maybe some low hanging fruit later on before spring training. I could be wrong, but highly doubt it.
towinagain
Nothing wrong with this. As a Padres fan whether it works or not it creates excitement and fosters optimism. Kudos Rangers on these moves. Good for MLB and the sport as a whole.
ryknight
A-Rod deal 2.0. Still don’t have enough pitching and with that salary burden, they won’t be able to add enough. He’ll be traded 3-4 years into this deal.
Rangers29
Shut the **** up.
coupofthecentury
Do you want the “you mad” GIF w/ the dude in the Jazz jersey or the “you mad” GIF w/ Kobe? lol
DanMan 3
The Rangers still going to choke in the first round against the Jays!
GhostOfChanHo
I hear there is a 2B looking for a tea……..OUCH
Darryl Rose
Jays fan shooting for the wild card spot.
Franco27
500m between the two, and both defensively challenged.
2001morecowbell2001
Semien is coming off a gold glove. Calm down.
km
Semien is defensively challenged??? Watch much baseball?
Franco27
Look at his overall numbers clown, and he won’t be playing SS.
justinkm19
Yes he will
Dalton1017
Siemien won a GG… but okay
mack423
so did a 36-year old Derek Jeter
Darryl Rose
The methodology for selecting gold gloves has changed. Try to keep up.
sfes
Awesome for their fans, exciting, but didn’t a contract like this 21 years ago end up setting them back a few years?
NY_Yankee
$500m for two players ( plus Gray). That is crazy money.
Geno55
Rangers must have a printing press under the clubhouse printing out money,,,, love it nice pick ups
Angels say hello Texas Rangers
❤️ MuteButton
So Simeon stays a second and Seager at shortstop?
dopt
I could see Kyle as a ranger. Part of the deal to sign Cory. Get more pitching now
justinkm19
Kershaw to the Rangers is next. Then Suzuki.
jdgoat
Now Corey can try and win his first real World Series in that ballpark.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Troll alert
fox471 Dave
Jdgoat =clown.
zacharydmanprin
As an Oakland A’s fan I am fine with all of this. The Rangers still have to find some guys to pitch. The Rangers just spent $500 Million on two players that are less than 2 years away from decline.
Scrap Iron
Yep and their futility will continue with the excuse of all their funds are tied up on two horrible contracts.
redhaze1
Juan Soto just laughed out loud. So Corey Seager is worth a third of a billion dollars???????????
❤️ MuteButton
What will Ohtani fetch?!
bobtillman
The Rays.
The entire franchise, I mean. Ownership.
Datashark
ohtani will get 1 billion – 10 year deal if seager can get this
larry48
Ohtani will get less as DH and pitcher.
Binnington50
What an insanely massive OVERPAY.
Great job Rangers on spending all this money to still miss the playoffs.
LATrolleyDodger
Gutted to see Scherzer AND Seager sign elsewhere but I see that money absolutely talks. No way Scherzer gets offered 3 years at his age. Don’t see how the Dodgers didn’t lock down Corey!! I’m thinking they gave him a little less in his offer because of poor defense this past year. Well… enjoy the Rangers and Mets I guess.
kellin
You have Trea Turner.. why are you upset?
LATrolleyDodger
Because Corey was homegrown and a fan favorite. Only franchise he’s ever known. Why do you care?
sax332n86
Because LA shouldn’t be in the business of letting a 101 loss franchise (that never does anything but finish last) take their best young position player, simply because of money. The DH will be full time next year in the NL, and LA’s best candidate for that is Justin Turner, who still offers a premium bat, but isn’t very smooth at 3B any longer. Seager is also a major left handed bat subtracted from a lineup that now doesn’t scare anyone any longer. LA allowed themselves to be outbid twice today, and scouring through the bargain bin to try to find the next Chris Taylor or Max Muncy isn’t going to cut it moving forward. The team severely underachieved last year, and isn’t going to come close to 107 wins again in 2022 if they are going to compound that by being cheapskates.
mlbdodgerfan2015
LA didn’t lose Seager of Scherzer. They let them go to other teams because they knew they weren’t going to offer the same amount as another team. I’m not even sure if they officially offered anything to Seager, and if they did I bet it wasn’t anything close to what the Ranges are paying. If you look at their payroll you knew they weren’t going to spend money like that. They would have easily cleared way over $300mm to keep the roster intact. I’m not sure if that roster would have been good enough to win another WS. Maybe, maybe not. Is that what you want as a Dodger fan to keep the band together for another year at the expense of completely bloating the payroll and jeopardizing their ability to stay competitive in the long run? It’s not being cheapskates, it’s being smart. This is typical fan stupidity drivel that the Dodgers franchise have to deal with. Do you think 3 years $130 million for Scherzer is smart? 10 years for $325 million for Seager smart?
Cap & Crunch
Dodgers have a 10 year plan NOT a 2022 plan
As a Dodger fan I LOVE IT
Hoping for the quietest of off-season’s with hopefully only some 1 and 2 yr deals. This payroll becomes as clean as its been in 10+ years if we do so…
I think that’s what we see play out this offseason for Lad and they still go into 22 projected to win the Div by 6~8 games by all analysts across the board come April
A'sfaninLondonUK
@sax332n86
“The team severely underachieved last year, and isn’t going to come close to 107 wins again in 2022 if they are going to compound that by being cheapskates.”
I fail to see how winning 107 regular season games is a severe underachievement.
And the Dodgers have regarded the luxury tax as an irrelevance not an inconvenience. Remember that Mookie Betts fellow?
jvent
The Dodgers should resign Chris Taylor and they better move it with signing pitchers,
LATrolleyDodger
Agreed! STAT
mlbdodgerfan2015
I’d disagree. Taylor is likely going to be too expensive. I say let him walk. Dodgers need to focus on rebuilding the farm. There are some decent prospects but very few elite talent. I don’t see many players helping them right away. They’re at least a season or couple of seasons away.
HBan22
The Dodgers have a very, very good farm as is. In fact, it’s one of the biggest reasons they were comfortable letting Seager walk. They have several very promising infielders on the way.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Please name the promising SS they have to replace Seager. There isn’t one, at least not in the near-term. They have a few position guys with potential to be productive starters at best but not much more than that. Some guys have clearly underperformed. Some guys have some special skills but very limited in other skills. Most promising are a few of the pitching arms but none of those are can’t miss prospects. Cartaya the catcher is probably the highest upside but he’s a long ways from ready. They don’t have an elite farm anymore. The elites graduated and were never really replenished. Much of their more talented players are at the lower levels, so still a lot to prove. These are the farm system rankings from mlb.com, Baseball America and Fangraphs, 16th, 15th and 14th. That is not a very good farm system. You’re living in the past.
Buehler........Buehler
Lux? Everyone is sleeping on a guy that can rake
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Lux and Vargas. Just keep Lux out of CF!
davengmusic
Carlos Correa just won the whole off-season with this signing…
Scrap Iron
This may actually hurt him as Texas had the need and most money to offer. He will now have to go to Detroit or take less to be a Yankee or Astro.
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
MLBTR closed comments on the Ozuna story. What a surprise.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Twenty games was too short of a suspension. What Ozuna did rivals the creep Bauer. I expected more like an eighty game suspension. Acura, Ozuna and Duvall in 2022.
2001morecowbell2001
Yeah I’m pretty disappointed and disgusted with 20 games. Seems like they based their suspension on the sweetheart deal the prosecution cut with the state to most likely avoid immigration problems but I’m speculating here. What he did alone was an 80 gamer and that’s an easy call in my opinion which is nothing.
Jon429
I’m disgusted with the current policy against domestic violence agreed upon by MLB and MLBPA. It’s just too much of a slap on the wrist to some of these big earners. The way it’s structured actually hurts the team more than the individual.
dragonfan96
Correa is going to want $400 million
RobM
He’s going to want more than Lindor. Question is, who will pay it? The Yankees are sitting this out. Maybe the Dodgers, after losing Scherzer and Seager, will decide to direct resources toward Correa?
HBan22
No way the Dodgers go after Correa. If they weren’t willing to pay up for Seager, there is no way they’ll pay even more for Correa. The Dodgers were clearly planning to lose Seager this offseason. That’s why they got Trea Turner, who perhaps they will give a Seager-type deal to before he reaches free agency.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I agree, Dodgers may pony 370-390 million to Trea by March for a 9-10 year extension.
jvent
Wow, Texas is finally spending $$ , $500 mil in 2 infielders, they need more pitching.
Datashark
Kershaw is signing with Texas Rangers soon.
sax332n86
Good. Let someone else pay for 10 starts and an 85 MPH fastball next season.
fred-3
Insane contract. To be a $300M player, you have to be great on both sides of the ball. Seager = great offensively, but will have to move off SS soon.
gdbyers
Hope they’re good as good at golf as they are baseball! 10 straight off seasons of golf
mdbaseball05
Was hoping he’d play 3B for the Mariners. Now, maybe the Mariners respond by signing KB, Suzuki, and trading for Ketel Marte?
I can hope/dream.
FOmeOLS
So the Texas Rangers are spending one half of a billion dollars on two players. I’m sorry folks, like the guy says, “everything’s bigger in Texas, even our morons.”
dasit
happy for ranger fans but bummed as a yankee fan. at this point i’ll be happy if the yankees re-sign rizzo, sign a stopgap ss who’s a competent fielder, and bring back tanaka
RobM
They’ll trade for Olson, sign Correa, and bring back Tanaka. Remember, they won 92 games last year with a number of players having off seasons. Their road to 100 wins is short.
I actually don’t believe they’ll sign Correa, but my point is don’t judge (extension!) their moves on November 29th. It’s where they are after the offseason is over when spring training opens. Hopefully spring training opens.
Echopark
I am a Dodgers fan. And I am not crying. Very happy for Corey Seager. Painful to see him go, but I believe this is 100% the right move for the Dodgers to pass at this price. In fact, I would have been kinda bummed if they signed this deal. I also believe that (and this is perhaps more painful in the short term) that it was 100% the right move for the Dodgers to pass on Scherzer at the price the Mets paid. Hard part is, of course, how to pivot now.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Except a Trea extension will cost even more.
mlbdodgerfan2015
There is no gun to the head in giving Trea Turner an extension. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dodgers also pass on Trea Turner if the market gets too hot. They may be secretly hoping that Lux lights it up this season so that they can plug him at SS. Or they’ll look for cheaper options. You need to pick and choose where you want to plow in the big dollars. They already have Betts. Having too many big dollar contracts hinders your flexibility and that’ not Friedman’s style.
TommyLasutton
Finally. Someone that gets it.
❤️ MuteButton
I completely agree with you, and as an Astros fan I’m OK with Houston passing on Correa’s price
sax332n86
I always thought Seager was likely to walk, but Scherzer would be retained. Scherzer’s salary fits in well with LA, who still has 3 years before they have to pay Walker Buehler ace money. Allowing themselves to lose on BOTH players today simply isn’t excusable, particularly with Robbie Ray signing elsewhere. MLB has made their situation worse by refusing to rule on the Trevor Bauer situation, but this team cannot simply sit by and watch a mass exodus of talent without fortifying the roster somehow.
mlbdodgerfan2015
You think paying Scherzer $43mm per season for three seasons is a good investment? I don’t think the Dodgers lost any players today. They didn’t want to pay Scherzer that much for that long. Period. That’s not losing. That’s just being smart. If Mets want to pay stupid money let them.
big boi
Rangers fans…how are you feeling about the 3 big signings?
baseballpun
You’re just going to trash Calhoun like that?
TaylorLH
Alot like were still 2 SPs short of being competitive.
better sign 1 and trade middle IF depth for an SP or were 90s Rangers going 77-85 losing a ton of 12-10 games lol
Daniel Youngblood
I think the Rangers need one more reliable veteran starter.
With a good lineup and decent pullpen, you can get to the trade deadline with Gray, veteran mid-rotation starter, Dunning, Hearn and the best of the remaining young guys in a position to reassess the need for another arm then.
I don’t think there’s a pressing need to allocate money to that now when there’s little guarantee this team is even ready to contend in the AL West. And the moves we’ve made have freed up quite a bit of prospect capital that we could use on a trade if that need remains at the deadline.
sox4ever
Lmao is Cashman still sleeping outside
to4
This off season is proving to be very fun ! I haven’t seen teams like the Mets, Rays, Rangers, Mariners spend this wild in a while lol !!!
Where are the so call Yanks, Astros, Dodgers and Red Sox ? Even the Braves need to step up before Freeman is gone !
I can’t believe that the Mets, Rangers and Mariners have done better than the Jays so far ! Just sad !
I mean, Seattle got Cy Ray and All star Frazier
Rangers got Semien and Seager up the middle !
Mets hit a boat load so far with Escobar, Marte, Scherzer and Canha and they might no even be done yet !
Come on Jays !!!! Step up the plate !!!!
C-Daddy
Teams that “win the offseason” rarely win when the actual games are played. The Jays have done just fine so far.
Datashark
Waiting now for the Clayton Kershaw joins Rangers press release.
Thronson5
I thought for sure he would go to the Yankees. Maybe Angels or Mariners. Didn’t think Rangers would get him. I’m a Dodgers fan and I knew he wasn’t coming back, especially after trading for Trae Turner. Feels like these teams are over signing though. Saeger is great and I hate that he left, bummed he left actually but that’s a lot of money for someone who’s always hurt. Maybe being in the AL will be good for him, he can DH here and there, personally would use him at DH twice a week to help keep him healthy. Max and Sager both seem like overpays though but good for them. Just sucks they left. Max to me is the one I thought Dodgers had to bring back most, not sure what the heck their plans is. Heaney sure isn’t the answer for replacing him and sounds like Kershaw will most likely be going to the Rangers as well. Dodgers will be fine as far their position players, still have a ton of talent but pitching wise I’m pretty nervous losing Max, Kershaw, May won’t be back until late in the season if he’s even back this season, doesn’t sound like Joe Kelly will be back and not sure what’s going on Kenley. That rotation and bullpen could look drastically different. Congrats to Saeger though and to Rangers fans. You’re getting a good one. Huge fan of the guy and going to miss him.
sax332n86
There is no way LA brings Joe Kelly back; he has a 12 million $ team option that would have been exercised only if he had supplanted Jansen as closer by now. He never came close. He mowed LA down in the 2018 world series, but didn’t really deliver on the three year investment they made in him.
dclivejazz
It’s good to see a few teams going all in. I wonder, though, how likely we are to see the Rangers shopping some of these big money guys eventually for prospects, and when.
It’s kind of like the constant accordion play of mergers and divestments or taking companies private then taking them public again in the regular business world.
1984wasntamanual
Unless they throw in a lot of money, you’re not getting any prospects for these guys, especially not in the future after they play what should be their most productive years of their respective contracts.
BuyBuyMets
Gee- Rangers might actually sniff .500 the next couple of years.
Datashark
$325 for 10y
for Corey Seager is a huge OVERPAY but it ain’t my money!
not having a team opt out borders on insanity.
preauto
Yes it is….and it had to be for him to sign with the Rangers. Cost of going to a rebuilding team.
Luke Strong
10 years?!? It’s like no one learns… why do teams shoot themselves in the foot over and over like this? To commit to a player until 38, that is crazy… and he has been hugely injury prone thus far in his career.
The Rangers have pinned the next decade of their franchise on two players who are both very good, but they are not utterly fantastic to the point they were worth destroying the team’s future roster flexibility dynamic. Meanwhile, they still have no pitching and have blown their wad.
A 60 win team in 2021, they won’t even play .500 ball in ’22. The franchise is now in shambles.
Some teams are so epically mismanaged, it’s like the GM has no concept of how to use their resources to build a team that can stay dynamic and competitive year in and out. Owner involvement often destroys the best laid plans, I wonder how much that played into this disaster.
FOmeOLS
True Gospel is ignored by fools.
mils100
I think this is why. If you are a GM (not the owner), what is the difference between 4 years and 10? I mean, if you are no good in the near future, you’ll be out of a job. Therefore, they focus on the now – if it blows up in 5 years, deal w/ it then if still employed.
beyou02215
I agree. I wish the Rangers well, but you just know that these will be considered unmovable/albatross contracts within the next 2 years.
StraxusD
I am not sure how they don’t have financial flexibility. The majority of their current payroll is retained payroll for Odor and Andrus. Next year $7.25 mil in AAV comes off the books and the years after another $12.33 mil in AAV does. We only have $12mil in active payroll. Even with what they currently have the payroll is only $122 mil AAV. and once retained drops off we have $101 mil payroll. We were 26th in payroll in the entire league.
Maybe you should look at what we actually pay all the players before you go off like that.
1984wasntamanual
They have ~70m/yr committed to 3 players and still have a ton of holes. No team is going to produce enough prospects to fill all of those holes competently, so you’ll need to go to the FA market to fill them. That adds up quickly, especially when you look at their pitching staff.
Investing this kind of money before you have a solid core in place seems like a very risky gamble. They better hope they beat all of the odds when it comes to hitting on the prospects they have. If they see the normal bust/flame out that occurs, they’re gonna be an 80 win team with 2 unmovable contracts or have to run a payroll close to $300m.
dale123
Do you want to lay some money on that statemrnt
TaylorLH
The offense is decent if you have Semien Seager Garcia 2x Calhouns Huff/Hiem Lowe and one of IKF/Jung
But they’re gonna need to find some pitching. Cole Winn is close, Lieter will be an MLB starter but probably not this year. But hypothetically you trade MIF depth for a Sonny Gray type and hope 2 of Howard Allard Dunning Otto Hearn Alexy look good in the spring and you’re pretty close to a WC team.
Once you get Winn and Lieter ready this doesn’t look all that awful. It’s not a WS contender at this point but definitely not a 95L team
StraxusD
I think Hearn has potential and we may still bring in Kershaw. Dunning and Gray are decent #3/4 starters. Allard may still come through, but Winn and Leiter look good, but I bet we are slightly above .500 team next year.
dsett75
Wooooow!!! The Rangers are not messing around!! Seager & Semien up the middle!! Hopefully the Tigers will get one of the ones (SS’s) left?! Baez is who they’re linked to most recently. I’d rather have Story, probably, out of the ones left. Correa costs too much & I think the Tigers feel the same way. $300+ million over a decade for a guy who already has an iffy back. Story is a 30/30 threat and will be much cheaper. Meanwhile, Correa doesn’t run at all.
❤️ MuteButton
Not to mention how the Cabrera deal has worked out
dsett75
Ya, thank goodness we’re down to the last two years of that!
rhswanzey
I’m beginning to suspect it is in the owners interest to dish out gargantuan contracts before the lockout, for leverage purposes, as the general public is going to see these top end figures and wonder what the players could possibly be complaining about.
TaylorLH
That or the new CBA is gonna jack up contract prices enough these arent as bad as they appear right now
grabarkewitz
Lots of money to finish in fourth place. They still have five holes to fill on the field and aside from Gray I cannot name one of their pitchers.
lettersandnumbersonly
Trea Turner is absolutely licking his chops.
Another solid, healthy offensive year this year and the Dodgers will be backing the truck up.
FOmeOLS
Anyway, what does this mean for Kiner-Falefa? Full time catcher with Trevino and they get rid of Heim? Trade him for a pitcher?
❤️ MuteButton
On a contending team Isaiah is a utility player. Look at Taylor on the Dodgers, Diaz on the Astros.
FOmeOLS
Thanks for your reply, are you saying they would rather have Heim as catcher than IKF? I love Heim and he’s a great defender but can’t hit a lick.
TaylorLH
you forgot Sam Huff. The Adam Dunn of catchers
❤️ MuteButton
I think IKF is a great utility player that you can plug-in almost anywhere. I think that is more valuable to the Rangers than having him strictly as a catcher. When I guy like Isaiah can play shortstop, it almost seems like a waste to stick him strictly behind the plate
oz10
Utility guy now. didn’t hit consistent enough to stay. Probably starts at 3rd if Jung needs a stint in the minors before coming up for good.
OCTraveler
Hoping the Dodgers respond by re-signing Chris Taylor and Clayton Kershaw.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they also go after on of the remaining upper-tier free agents and if so Freddie Freeman would look good in Dodger Blue. Move Muncy to second and give short to Trea Turner.
alaman
Chris Taylor is the one they need to sign. I believe he is more important than Seager would have been.
mlbdodgerfan2015
I don’t think they sign Taylor because someone will overpay for Taylor and the Dodgers are not going to overpay for Taylor. I see a less likelihood for someone doing that for Kershaw given his current injury and decline rate. Most likely scenario is that he stays with the Dodgers, assuming he wants to stay. I doubt they go after Freeman. The price will have to be right and I just don’t see that.
mils100
Does anybody consider Seager a franchise player? He’s a fine hitter but his power is average and he doesn’t live on base. He played in a lineup that had 5-6 elite guys so there was no real, “the guy” pressure.
Ten years is absurd. Overpay for someone like Baez for 3 so you aren’t locked in. Or if you are going nuts, get Correa because he’s a better and can stick at ss.
Camden453
Things are way different when you’re not on a winning team for 7 years
mlbdodgerfan2015
Is he a franchise player? I don’t know. What does that even mean these days. But he’s a damn good hitter. If you take away that stretch when he got hurt and season where he was physically back but not fully recovered he’s pretty much a 0.900 plus OPS hitter. That is elite at SS. His defense is pretty average and not as bad as some say. Is he worth 10 years and $325 million? No, but I think most contracts are overvalued and not worth it. I’m glad the Dodgers didn’t sign him as much as I like him as a player.
Tdat1979
The looming lockout has made this the most exciting November ever.
Camden453
Too much IMO. Let’s see how he does out of the LA lineup. My guess is not as good
2012orioles
Fun time to be a rangers fan
Yankeelove
WTF is wrong H steinberger I feel we yankee fans have been lied TO and being played for suckers he said that he was going TO spend more money to make team better but so far while most of the best players have been signed this clown hasn’t done jack s**t and Cashman is nothing more than a puppet yesmam all Steinbrenner cares about is his profits and doesn’t care about winning A championship or more important us the fans personally I wouldn’t be surprised if he sells the team in 2 or 3 years he’s nothing like his father and I wish there was A way TO boycott the team season games and have all Yankees fans cancel their subscription for games in all packages that carry Yankees games if that would Yankees fans would send this pathetic owner A message that without Yankees fans he wouldn’t make A cent in profit
Prediction Yankees finish 4th next year and that breaks my heart but with A clown like Steinbrenner that all us yankee fans can look forward TO and I hope this message reaches him and I don’t who Blast me for my opinion
Yankeelove
WTF is wrong H steinberger I feel we yankee fans have been lied TO and being played for suckers he said that he was going TO spend more money to make team better but so far while most of the best players have been signed this clown hasn’t done jack s**t and Cashman is nothing more than a puppet yesmam all Steinbrenner cares about is his profits and doesn’t care about winning A championship or more important us the fans personally I wouldn’t be surprised if he sells the team in 2 or 3 years he’s nothing like his father and I wish there was A way TO boycott the team season games and have all Yankees fans cancel their subscription for games in all packages that carry Yankees games if that would Yankees fans would send this pathetic owner A message that without Yankees fans he wouldn’t make A cent in profit
Prediction Yankees finish 4th next year and that breaks my heart but with A clown like Steinbrenner that all us yankee fans can look forward TO and I hope this message reaches him and I don’t who Blast me for my opinion
Yankeelove
WTF is wrong H steinberger I feel we yankee fans have been lied TO and being played for suckers he said that he was going TO spend more money to make team better but so far while most of the best players have been signed this clown hasn’t done jack s**t and Cashman is nothing more than a puppet yesmam all Steinbrenner cares about is his profits and doesn’t care about winning A championship or more important us the fans personally I wouldn’t be surprised if he sells the team in 2 or 3 years he’s nothing like his father and I wish there was A way TO boycott the team season games and have all Yankees fans cancel their subscription for games in all packages that carry Yankees games if that would Yankees fans would send this pathetic owner A message that without Yankees fans he wouldn’t make A cent in profit
Prediction Yankees finish 4th next year and that breaks my heart but with A clown like Steinbrenner that all us yankee fans can look forward TO and I hope this message reaches him and I don’t who Blast me for my opinion
Prospectnvstr
Yankeeslove: How many $30,000,000.00 (or more) per season players SHOULD the Yankees or ANY other team have?
Mario93
I guess that Yankee fan really wanted Seager… lol
TaylorLH
We wont know until later, but im wondering if the new CBA is gonna jack up prices of players. Because its not just Texas spending big money.
Wondering if luxury tax thresholds and future payrolls are going to continue to balloon. ~200M is the top tier mark today. perhaps Texas is recognizing its more like 300M by the late 2020s and theyre spending knowing it wont matter.
End of the day theyre still at least 2SPs and a Corner OF short of a good competitive team, but i gotta think theyre gonna be trading middle infield depth considering they just locked up 2B/SS for 5 years.
If they can get someone to go with Gray, then Winn and Lieter turn out okay theyre a pretty good team in 2023.
Camden453
This off-season is why MLB should implement a free agency deadline for mid-December or so
This is way better for everyone, the fans, the players, etc
RobM
You’re right. Most recent off seasons have been like watching paint dry.
Camden453
I don’t know. You only get 3 or 4 big contract slots and is Semien and Seager really the way to go for two of those
RobM
Take a closer look and you’ll realize that most of these deals are going to teams who are not likely to make the 2022 postseason. The Mets are the closest, but still have work to do. Smart money teams are standing back.
fred-3
The Blue Jays are definitely a contender
RobM
I included the qualifier for the Jays.
Timothy Salahi
How stupid your statement is big money scared of the new player contract and new luxury tax policy.. good players are good players no matter what year it is
RobM
Don’t be so defensive. I never used the word scared. Give it some thought and you might come up with other reasons.
User 355748524
Interestingly enough, Seager (-17 OAA, 2016-2021), Semien (-26 OAA, 2016-2021) and Kiner-Falefa (-7 OAA, 2018-2021) have all been terrible defenders at SS.
Dalton1017
Kiner Falefa was only a SS in 2021. and was solid. won a GG at 3B in 2020. in 2019 he was a terrible catcher though…
User 355748524
I agree that Falefa was and likely still is great at 3B. I disagree that he was even decent at SS in 2021. For being his first full season at SS, sure.
Maybe he builds off the bad and ends up being great at SS, maybe he doesn’t. Time will tell.
seamaholic 2
Yeah Seager is really a borderline SS. Huge dude, doesn’t move all that well. I suspect he’ll quickly move to third and Kiner-Falefa will stick at short.
Darryl Rose
Yankees signed José Peraza to steal the spotlight from the Mets and of course with that signing they no longer needed Seager.
Hey I’m a Yankees fan. We need to laugh so we don’t cry.
Actually it’s good to see teams like the Mets, mariners, rangers, etc make an effort to get stronger.
lsujedi
As an Astros fan, I kinda love this. Sure it probably won’t rival the Pujols deal in terms of longevity of awfulness, but it could certainly come close. Only downside is it definitely proves execs are stupid enough to give both Seager and Correa way too long deals, so if there were any tiny amount of hope about Correa coming back, that’s now definitively gone.
rxbrgr
A lot of Ranger fanboy orgasms happening right now in the DFW area.
Ewayne
Oh yes daddy
hockiechick
Seager is a good and solid player but he’s not worth the money he’ll be getting.
jorge78
The Rangers are back baby!
seamaholic 2
Not really. Jon Gray is still their opening day starter, they have no depth (or bullpen to speak of) and their starting CF hit 160 last year. Ways to go yet.
Kevin28786
In his 6 full major league seasons, Corey Seager has played in 609 of a possible 870 games. That’s worth $32.5 million?
fisher40
It’s a mass overpay from a team fresh off of 100 losses and for someone who’s not durable at all
mlbdodgerfan2015
To be fair 67 of those games or so in 2021 was due to getting hit by a pitch in the hand. Is that his fault or really a lack of durability? More like bad luck. So, yes, he had a stretch where he got hurt but the last few years he’s been pretty healthy.
Smacky
Turns out that tends to happen when you stand out over the plate.
JimmyForum
Top to bottom, AL West stacking up as baseball’s best division.
JoeBrady
The ALW won’t be close to the ALE. The ALW could conceivably have only two .500 teams. The ALE has BA, but it is unlikely that any of the other four teams are under .500.
jorge78
Do that means in about 6 years the Rangers will be regretting the Seager and Semien contracts. But the future IS NOW!
StraxusD
I doubt it, but possibly. Really once the left over dead retained salary drops off the Rangers payroll in two years, they only have $100 million in commitments right now, and Jon Gray’s 14 million contract is over in four, so it isn’t like we have $200 mil in contracts on the books.
JoeBrady
I don’t see how the future is now. They won 60 games last year. Even if Gray, Seager and Semien are all 5-WAR players, that only gets them to 75 wins.
StraxusD
Well for one, I think they still make a couple of signings. Secondly, we have a bunch of prospects that now don’t have a clear path to the MLB so we have a lot of trade fodder in Solak, IKF, Josh Smith, Foscue, Wendzel, etc. I bet we make some trades for additional starting pitching. I really think we get Kershaw and I hope that we land Seiya Suzuki. Time will tell, but after 2023 are payroll is only $102 million, so we can afford to spend.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
More than half a billion dollars committed for 3 players. That’s insane.
StraxusD
If it makes you feel better. The Yankees are paying $650 million to two players,
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Not really. Cole is being overpaid too. Having been paying enough attention to Stanton to know if he’s overpaid
VegasSDfan
Excellent news for the NL West. Seems like a huge sum of money for Seager
fred-3
Why did Texas trade Gallo if they were planning to go all-in?
StraxusD
Because he isn’t good.
fred-3
Yes, he is. He just had a bad month and a half.
StraxusD
A bad month and a half? He had one okay season as a Ranger and stunk as a Yankee.
fred-3
Just case, did you think he wasn’t good before he was a Yankee?
Joseph Gonzalez
Fun fact. How bad is Gallo ? He has only 2 sac flies in around 130 chances in his whole career. One of the worst hitters I’ve ever seen. He’s just extremely strong
fred-3
*just curious
StraxusD
No, he was terrible. He has a career .206 BA. Outside of his “Okay” season which he only hit .253/ with an OPS of .986, he didn’t hit above .209 for a batting average and has like almost 900 strikeouts in 2400 plate appearances, The guy cannot hit.
kidnova
I think they determined that Gallo was never going to fix that hole in his swing and decided to deal while his value was relatively high. Look what he did in New York.
LebronHatesAsians
Because Gallo is garbage and doesn’t contribute to winning baseball.
hiflew
Awesome. Now there is a chance Story returns to Colorado.
Chief Two Hands
As long as accidents can result in brain damage…
fisher40
Good for him getting that money. But damn is he really worth all that money though? I thought for sure he’d go to a team that’s on the doorstep of a WS
StraxusD
All of the SS this year are going to get paid….
GETBUCKETS
I thought he was a lock to the Yankees????
That’s a HUGE deal!!! Seager is young and is a stud. Wonder what the infield lineup will be with Seager, Semien, and Kiner-Falefa.
Ewayne
As a Ranger fan I love these moves. Bringing in guys who are good culture guys. These moves are more for 2023 and beyond. We may flirt with .500 this year but when Leiter, Winn, Huff, and Jung are ready to contribute we will have the perfect blend of youth and veteran leadership to have a good 3-4 year window. Let’s go Rangers!!
stroh
From an Astros fan perspective, this makes the Rangers a bigger offensive threat for sure, matches up their offense closer to the Angels. Does not improve pitching and defense, but there’s time left in the off-season. Rangers better hope they win in first half of both Semien and Seager contracts. At this pace, Correa will get $350M+ for 10 years, just not with the Stros ( and I’m good with that).
StraxusD
I think we land Kershaw and if we get Suzuki, then the Astros cant depend on the AL west to feed them wins any more. Except maybe the As if they go into teardown. They were 49 – 29 in the west.
stroh
Stros had the best record in baseball against teams over .500 at 45-32, so they won because they beat up some really good teams. They actually let up against teams below .500. So while it’s interesting the Rangers have added Seager and Semien, you still need to go get a LOT of pitching to match up against the Stros offense which led MLB in runs scored. With Correa gone, they might score less, but then I thought that would be the case when Springer left. Stros have a couple of good options in the minors, Jeremy Pena and Pedro Leon who may pick up the slack. And they re-signed Verlander, who didn’t pitch an inning last year. So don’t count them out in terms of beating up the AL West.
Smacky
I don’t know about that. Seager takes the Rangers out of the Correa derby and Boras now has one less team to play off of.
LebronHatesAsians
Man timing is everything. These players are good to very good but they are certainly not superstars. If Arod hit his first free agency this off-season I guess he would be getting a $600-700 million deal? I can even imagine if a truly elite player hit the open market today. Imagine if even Harper and Machado got to hit it this year.
Yankeesniper
This deal makes zero sense from a Rangers perspective. They don’t have the financial resources to back this trade up.
Didn’t they learn anything from the contract they gave A-Rod?!
User 1104686089
How do they not have the money? DFW is a top 10 sports market and the article clearly states that we have almost nothing on the books outside of Leclerc. This still only puts us at like 130 million payroll.
StraxusD
We are $122 million and $20 million of that is gone in two years as it is dead money. We spent almost $170 million in 2015 and 2016.
oz10
What trade? And the owners are billionaires and we have had much higher payrolls that this for most years. Do research before you post.
Codeeg
You mean the 20 year old contract?
Dutch Vander Linde
Another Arod contract smh. They gonna want to get rid of that contract in 4-5 years just like they did with Arod. Some teams never learn.
StraxusD
No, when they sign ARod, they already had a bloated team salary. We all the signings we have down, our active roster payroll is league average at $102 million.
Joseph Gonzalez
Thank you Texas rangers. Due to your desperation you have single handedly ruined the infield FA market
Yours truly, a very disappointed and frustrated yankee fan
dale123
Oh please quit blubbering. Crybaby
StraxusD
You are talking smack when your top two guys have combined contracts for $650 million?
carllafong
Yes, the Yankees have had nothing to do with overpaying players– Cole, Stanton, etc. Is this where you explain travel bans by Trump are immoral, but Biden doing it is the right thing?
Joseph Gonzalez
The Yankees didn’t give Stanton that contract, they are paying a majorly of it as they gave the Marlins salary relief and Cole was the top of the free agent class that season. Giving the second and third options for shortstop these insane contracts is going to drive up the price for Correa even more. What is he going to command ? 10-12 years 350 mill plus ?
delete my account please
That makes the Semien contract look like a bargain
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Wow. Half a billion dollars in a few days. I’d say the Rangers want in!
James1955
The time to buy is when the prices come down and teams are out money.
Jcovey87 2
Texas Dodgers
ajh738
Now’s the time to package Jung for an Ace, and win the West and make a run at the AL Pennant in the next few years with the window Texas just smashed open.
Jcovey87 2
No way! Josh is our starting 3b! Texas has some of the best young pitching talent! Can’t wait
Jcovey87 2
No way! Josh is our starting 3b! Texas has some of the best young pitching talent! Can’t wait
JoeBrady
I don’t see how the Rangers are sniffing the playoffs yet. Adding Seager & Semien might move them from #15 on offense, to maybe league-average. But Gray is a solid #3, or maybe a mid-tier #2, but do they have anyone else in their rotation?
I don’t want this to sound mean, but right now, isn’t it Gray,Dunning, Allard, Howard, and maybe Otto?
HBan22
Don’t forget Taylor Hearn. The Rangers starting rotation won’t be great next season as is, but I think they see next season as a bit of a bridge year, to truly competing in 2023 and beyond. They have several top pitching prospects who should be on track to debut anywhere from late next season into 2023-24. Plus, it will be nice to see what they really have in guys like Allard, Dunning, and Howard in 2022. All three were top 100 prospects just a couple years back, and all still have some solid potential if given a chance.
carlos15
Seems steep for a guy that’ll play 90 games a year.
Say Hey Now Kid
This is the move I hoped the Mets would make instead of extending Lindor. Good for the Rangers. I think this and Gray are good signings
carllafong
Horrible, horrible signing at 10-years. Great talent who can’t stay on the field.
leftcoaster
TEN YEARS! Definitely a couple of undisciplined teams out there.
HBan22
Yikes. The Jon Gray deal was solid (if a slight overpay) in my opinion, but committing half a billion dollars to two players that come with some real question marks (Seager’s health and ability to remain at SS, Semien’s ability to continue to produce at an elite level as he ages), when the team is probably a good year or two away from legitimately competing… questionable in my opinion. If it was me, I may have tried to spread that money out a bit more, and perhaps waited another offseason before going on a massive spending spree.
On the flip side, I’m sure Rangers fans must be excited simply to see the team making some big moves that signal that they’re getting ready to compete again. The Rangers have a great farm system with plenty of talent soon to graduate, and at least for the next few years they should have an elite middle infield too.
StraxusD
Seager really hasn’t had durability problems in the last few seasons and his last injury was getting his hand smash by a wild pitch. I think he will be okay.
carllafong
Last four years game played by Seager:
2021- 95
2020- 52
2019- 134
2018- 26
In the last four years he’s played less than two seasons. 2020 is the Covid year, but the number of games played is shockingly low.
kidnova
2021 was a HBP situation. Not all that shocking, just bad luck.
carllafong
Jon Gray is a solid pick for a pitcher with upside, but right now he’s a #4 at best– they have a long way to go to match all four other teams in the division– especially with the Mariners nabbing Ray today.
jsaldi
Seager when healthy is a great hitter but just an average shortstop. Trea Turner is a superior defender.
kenphelps44
With this offseason as proof, MLB owners had better not cry poverty when it comes to the new CBA. Despite Covid, the owners must be making a ton of money or they wouldn’t be shelling out these types of contracts. Maybe it is time MLB teams start opening their books when even Tampa Bay doles out $185 million to sign Wander Franco to a 12 year deal.
Fred McGriff
Is Seager going to pitch for the Rangers?
LATrolleyDodger
He’s the new Ace
yes
The Guardians got a rock.
sdbaseballguy
As a Dodgers fan I’m really disappointed the Seager is gone but excited to see Turner for an entire season at short. They now have a significant whole in their lineup without Seager and/or Taylor. Hopefully Friedman can work some magic and still acquired quality talent.
blueblood1217
Way to go Dodgers. WTF
carllafong
Quit crying– you have Trea Turner at short and the best and deepest rotation in baseball. They know what they’re doing. Why would the Dodgers commit a ridiculous amount of years to a player who is injury prone when they have someone who is arguably better?
Mario93
10 years is ridiculous for a guy who’s only hit 20 home runs only two times. Hit 26 and 22, those are his career highs. Already has injury history, as he ages he won’t even offer you power, which is typically the last attribute to go. Pretty bad contract. Awful if anything. Last 5/4 years of that contract could be a disaster.
StraxusD
So you are saying at 33 he is going to be washed up? Beltre played his best baseball at the end of his career.
sdbaseballguy
Beltre was a far better player than Seager. He started at 19 and hit nearly 50 HR’s at age 25. It’s not a fair comparison.
StraxusD
LoL, you should go look at Beltres stats….
HRs in order of seasons played:
7/15/20/13/21/23/48/19/25/26/25/8/28
Then he was traded to the Rangers…..
BA was the same thing:
.215/.275/.290/.265/.257/.240/.334/.255/.268/.276/.266/.265/.321
Then traded to the Rangers. Everyone said the same thing about Beltres contract being bad because he was coming off his best season and only had one other season in the previous 13 that was that good. and he was 31 years old.
sdbaseballguy
Beltre also had 5 155+ games played seasons by 27 and was a gold glove fielder. I’m not saying Seager isn’t a very good player but Beltre was the NL MVP (less Bonds) in his free agent season and Seager is far from that.
LebronHatesAsians
Beltre hit .334 with 48 HRs and a 1.017 OPS while playing arguably the best 3b in the game at the time in his walk year which happened to be his age 25 season. Can’t even fathom what he would have got in free agency this year is that were the case.
1984wasntamanual
Beltre is an outlier…expecting that from Seager or Semien is an awful plan.
Baseball_dude
He’s Definitely not worth anywhere near that kind of money.. but no athlete really is
Baseball_dude
Over a half a billion dollars spent on hitters.. 95% of big contracts like this never = a WS championship (exciting? Yes) but I doubt it will lead to a WS championship
Altuves Buzzer
But Arlington sucks……I don’t get this.
For him and Semien to choose to live there tells me Texas was way ahead of the next clubs offer.
carllafong
They are only two players. Despite all the spending they”re still 4th place, and I don’t think they’re close to Houston, Seattle, Oakland and the Angels.
The Oregonian
If they’re not close to any of those teams, wouldn’t that make them fifth place?
dale123
Oakland is going to stink this year and the angels will as well obtain and trout won’t sniff 500 with themselves and 23 scrubs
Timothy Salahi
Have you been to DFW with a brand new stadium it’s one of the best cities to raise a family… your a idiot
1984wasntamanual
you’re
dale123
You saying Arlington sucks more like that swamp hole Houston is .is the place that sucks ass
hunteralan
This deal only pays off if Seager can actually stay on the field. BIG overpay in my opinion.
laswagn
Dodgers gonna sign Correa, watch.
carllafong
Why? They have Trea Turner?
bluepelotas
Dodgers NOT going to sign Correa.
sdbaseballguy
Not a chance. If Freeman leaves, I could see that but they’re not paying a SS, not named Turner, 300 million.
dodgerfan
No way. I bet they make a push for Kris Bryant after the news on Muncy
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Y’know, at this rate, the “post CBA” free agent season is gonna be pretty boring…
carllafong
Absolutely horrible overpays. Two years ago Semien hit .229– it’s why he didn’t have offers last year. But now you’re at 7-years on a 31 year-old middle infielder. And as great as Seager is he’s been hurt his entire career. What happens as he ages on this contract? The Rangers are still going to finish 4th despite all the money they’re spending.
kidnova
So you’re putting more weight on Semien’s output in an incredibly strange COVID-shortened 2020 season than his MVP caliber 2019 and 2021 years? I’d bet big money that Rangers don’t finish 4th in the AL West this season, and that they’re in a position to win it by 2023.
carllafong
Who are they better than in the west? Oakland? Houston? Seattle? Angels?
bigdaddyhacks
No one. Thad’s the rough part of spending half a bill on a 100 loss team. They aren’t a SS/2b/Sp away from being a contender. Even if they concede to not contending in 22, they won’t in 23 either. But that time these deals might look really really bad. Or they may be monsters. Seeing many teams try this, and it’s never worked.
dale123
Angels and athletics by a mile
Mystery Team
I don’t understand the fascination with this guy his numbers don’t add up to a contract like this. He’s not even one of the games best twenty hitters and maybe not even best twenty five hitters. His defense is okay but not amazing. I guess $325 million doesn’t buy you much these days.
bloomquist4hof
Salary inflation is back strong this off season.
Timothy Salahi
We got a bunch of haters in this chat because there mad there team didn’t get any of the players. Texas can sight another 300 million dollar player and still be under there payroll number. People forget they have to pay over market because there in last place…
juanwood3rd
Overpay for Seager/Semien? Let’s see what Correa gets bc it will be north of Seagers deal. Rangers have to overpay to get B+ to A type FAs. JD and CY are 2-3 steps ahead of this off-season. Get ready for an FA arm and a trade or two (arm and a bat). I’m calling it!!!
Go RANGERS!!!
greatgame 2
This is insane
Yankee Clipper
First: Due congratulations to Rangers team and fans! I’d be absolutely stoked if I were a TX fan right now – what an awesome offseason to behold.
Second: Serious question, given the relative indifference between, say $275MM & $325MM (filthy rich for generations upon generations either way you cut it), I wonder if Seager doesn’t regret not going to a team like the Yankees (his favorite team) IF Rangers don’t win a ring.
Next, I’m curious about TX’s strategy. Listen, I’m not criticizing, because right now it looks like the Yankees have no 2022 plan, no 2027 plan, and no 2032 plan. But TX blew a huge percentage of salary on position players, and is that the smartest/best allocation of their budget instead of Semien and a front-end SP?
And does anyone happen to know where they sit for their CBT-salary totals for 2022?
Anyway, congratulations, again. I would’ve loved to have Seager’s bat in pinstripes!
mlbdodgerfan2015
No state income tax in Texas also, so the $325mm is worth even more. And cost of living in Dallas still lower than NYC or LA.
Joseph Gonzalez
I don’t think multi millionaire ball players are worried about taxes or costs of living lol
juanwood3rd
I think you answered your own question, NYY doesn’t seem to have a plan and TX atleast has their checkbook out. We all know you can’t spend your way to a WS but talent sure helps especially when you don’t have much, TX.
Granted we don’t know if these deals are back/front end loaded but TX was ~$80MM before the Seager deal. Let’s say they land around ~$110M after Seager deal AAV. There’s another $30-$40MM to $150MM, a number ownership is apparently not shying away from.
Go Rangers!!!
Yankee Clipper
Okay, that’s still really low. I didn’t realize they were that low even after acquisitions, which clearly enables them flexibility to acquire some pitching if they need it. Well, good day to be a Ranger…or Scott Boras
Louholtz22
The signing’s are somewhat puzzling for the Rangers. As we all know, prospects are suspects. If the Rangers are banking on pitchers on the farm, good luck. I’m not being sarcastic saying that. Just the reality of it. John Gray really has been so so.
Poster formerly known as . . .
They already added Gray. There’s plenty of time for them to continue to upgrade the pitching staff.
Joseph Gonzalez
With some of these teams giving these insane contracts you have to wonder does cashman have a window to flip Stanton if he wants to right now ? He earned our respect the last 2 post seasons but strategically flipping him makes sense for a few reasons
Yankee Clipper
Well, it’s a perfectly valid question, the biggest challenge of which is Stanton’s NTC. He would likely only approve CA, some say only So Cal, and then a contender within that group, which leaves…..LAD (maybe SD? But doubtful)
Trust me, with our luck, if he went to SF or LAD he would have another MVP year, bat .350 with 54 HRs, and everyone would be talking about what a steal he is on his contract. Oh yeah, and he’d play 150 games/year until he retires.
Rsox
The Rangers now have the most expensive middle Infield in Baseball history.
George Steinbrenner is rolling over in his grave right now as Cashman let a no-brainer (a lefty hitting SS with power) slip right by
Joseph Gonzalez
That 10 years is a huge investment though. I do agree the yankees need to take some action though
Yankee Clipper
Yes, I think you’re right, my friend. The only way I see Cashman coming back from intense criticism is to sign Correa or make a series of good moves. First, I don’t like that signing because I don’t like him as a long-term SS, and he now has teams by the walnuts because he and Story are left.
Cashman can salvage this team despite his methodology is he does four moves from this point forward:
1- Get Correa / Story, the latter is my preference to free up cash/commitments later on
2- Use leftover money to acquire Rizzo or trade for Olson
3- Trade for Contreras or Garver as the primary backstop
4- Acquire a solid #2-3 slot SP
What this current administration fails to realize is this: Aaron Boone said teams are “closing the gap” in them in the ALE, when in reality, they’ve closed it and are in the process of passing the Yankees unless something changes. We cannot win by saying, “We have a $220M payroll!”
Rsox
@Yankee Clipper
You are correct and Boone is wrong, the gap isn’t closing…its closed. The Yankees were a second place team in 2020 and a 3rd place team in 2021. Nothing about the current team says they won’t finish 3rd again next season
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, and depending on how certain series go, very well could finish fourth. It’s certainly plausible.
Y4L
A 10 year/$325m contract to a guy who never plays a full season is foolish. If the contract was 10/$250m, they Yankees might have gone for it. I don’t believe Correa is going to the Yankees. Between the sigh stealing saga and the bashing of Jeter, NY fans will never accept him. I could see them going after Baez. If Volpe is what he seems to be, and Torres doesn’t return to form, Baez could shift back to 2nd. Either way, the Yankees are not going to keep adding $30m a year players. Get Rizzo back via FA, or trade for Olsen in Oakland.
Yankee Clipper
Y4L: I agree with you100%. I’ve said numerous times that at that length contract and for those $, they should go after Baez or Story – both excellent defenders and have great bats for defense-first guys. Plus, it frees up about $150M to make other relevant acquisitions and sign Judge to an extension. Love Seager’s bat but it doesn’t surprise me they wouldn’t go for him. In fact, it may have been the years more than the money, in reality, because they would have an aging Stanton, Judge(?), and Seager/Correa, all of whom have injury histories.
But, if cash does nothing, or only signs Story, for example, he’s going to get crushed after the way they talked about approaching this offseason and the fans’ expectations.
Buehler........Buehler
I’ll miss seags and max… but I’m not surprised, The core is still solid, I’m sure Friedman isn’t done this off-season and they have shown they will upgrade in season to address needs. I’m still in the minority that thinks Lux will be a stud at whichever position he ends up at
buffalo bill
Congrats to ranger fans – will definitely improve the team and add spice to the AL West race. But as a Stros admirer, will still take the Stros young hurlers Valdez, Urquidy, García and Javier over the Rangers young prospects, who have touted earlier in this thread. And as the Astros painfully learned in both the 2019 and 2021 WS, good pitching beats good hitting come crunch time in the playoffs. So I unless Semien and Seagar can pitch too, the Rangers still have some work to do to catch up.
Y4L
There go the Rangers trying to BUY a championship lol Personally, I’d like to see them take down the Astros
GhostOfChanHo
Buy? This isn’t the Marlins.. Rangers are in a top 5 market…and before the last few seasons spent like one. Players like Prince Fielder coming off the books mixed with trades is allowing them to vault back into the correct $ slot. Argue the spending coming a bit early, ok yes.. but they are not trying to buy a championship any more then NY or LA.
Fg-3
Can’t kill Cash for staying away from Seager he’s never healthy.. and when he is he really is no better than DiDi. Correa is the real deal.. so is Baez I can see Cash going for Correa for the splash. But he’s not going to rush knowing that a strike is looming
Yankee Clipper
Yes, Fg3, I agree with your point. My problem is this: the Yankees are showing a strong trend to assuage large contracts when they were the source, almost single-handedly, of creating increases in the annual market for certain FAs.
Not in itself a terrible thing, but couple that with Hal’s open desire to install a hard cap, and you see that he appears to be obstinately refusing to participate because he wants to prove that he believes in said cap – and it’s all for one big, selfish reason – a cap = boatloads more money for Hal.
Here’s Hal’s challenge: much like a restaurant that is the most popular because of its flavor, despite its incredible expense, yet decides to cut back on costs of their ingredients to make a little more money, eventually the Yankees past and their dynasties will be so far behind that nobody will care. Players then will care about taxes in NY and not go there, or weather. Young fans will not be attracted to the Yankees’ history because it will no longer be relevant. All this will result in Hal losing money, but he’s too blind to see he’s losing his own brand.
theodore glass
Huge win for Seager here.
thrasher77
Wish I would have saw this before buying my season tickets I just did, literally 3hrs ago lol. Nah just kidding. Gonna miss him in dodger blue tho for sure!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If instead of $325 million for Seager and $55 million for Gray = $370 million, Rangers had spent $120 million for Gausman, $120 million for Ray and $130 million for Scherzer = $370 million, they would have been a much better team. Just sayin’. Seager is a huge boost to the team, just an overpay. More than Machado, Tatis, Harper, is Corey Seager really one of the best five players in the past decade? (Rhetorical question)
Yankee Clipper
You laid out precisely why I’m hoping the Yankees don’t get Correa, and instead get Story/Baez, plus adequately address their other needs.
kidnova
They would be better in 2022 with those signings, but would would they be better in 2024 or 2025 when they likely expect to compete? Scherzer has been amazing the last few years, but he’s going to hit that wall in the near future, and likely before the Rangers are truly in their window. They signed Seager to be their centerpiece for the next 5-7 years. Will he be overpaid in the last 2-3 years of his deal? Probably, but that’s the price you pay to sign a player just starting his prime years.
preauto
Scherzer and Ray wouldn’t sign with a losing team. Rangers had to overpay the ones they did sign to even consider going to a losing team.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
The Stupidity going around the MLB is exactly why Chris ILLICH needs to hire me as Al Avila’s governor, to.make sure he does nothing stupid like this.
Liaison to the Office of the Owner.
Hire me Chris, I mean, Mr. Illich; before it’s too late.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Free agency is for putting the finishing touches on an otherwise solid core, i.e. what the Mariners are doing after winning 90 games last season.
Free agency is not for buying an entire squad. That gets entirely too expensive and what teams consistently win that way? Rangers won 60 games last season and with these signings might get them to 70 – 75.
Dotnet22
Rangers win the offseason and will finish below .500.
bravesfan
Rangers had a payroll that was something like 26/30 last year, right? I’d argue they don’t exactly have the foundation in place to be spending this kind of money, but hey… guess these guys are your foundation lol. Good for Corey…. That’s money that not only changes his life, but his families life, his kids life, and his kids kids…. Possibly beyond. I can’t even compute how my life would be with a fraction of that money lol
Timothy Salahi
They had a payroll Before at 150 and the tv deal brings in 50-60 million a year plus a new stadium. You don’t know what your talking about
TalkSomeSense
He is talking about last years salary, not historic . What he and others are getting at is pulling the trigger too early coming out of a rebuild can be super risky. You burn 2-3 yrs of your high priced FA prime years waiting to get competitive. Most successful teams develop a solid core then augment it with a sprinkling of FAs to fill any holes. Who are the rangers core young players who have established themselves as building blocks?
Timothy Salahi
Yeah they didn’t a couple years earlier but they need butts in the new stadium, that’s why. I’m Dallas they don’t come unless you have a decent team.
mario crosby
Wait!!!!! Pirates owner Bob Nutting is on hold with his counteroffer.
FrontOfficeStan
I like Seager, just not for this many years and the amount of money. Rangers making moves, probably exciting for their fan base but is this even a .500 team now? They must have more spending to do. Maybe they’re trying to repeat their wild success of having 3 of the 5 worst contracts in baseball like they did years ago.
neurogame
So due to inflation and demand, Seager is getting paid more annually and in total than A-Rod did to play SS and hit in the middle of the order back in 2000. Was the 2000 version of A-Rod a better player than Seager is now? Rodriguez was two years younger than Seager is currently when he got that record contract. However he was on “the juice.” I hope the Rangers have a plan for better pitching because Jon Gray isn’t a championship move. The Rangers’s rotation didn’t have a single starting pitcher with a winning record last year.
mlbnyyfan
A great move by the Rangers. Finally spending some money for the fans in the new Ballpark. As much as I wanted Seager as Yankee. IMO the Yankees need more than just Seager to put them over the top. The Yankees right now have more holes than swiss cheese. The Yankees need Quantity of good players and not just one great Player
fisher40
Mass over-pay for someone who isn’t very durable. But kudos to him for getting the money
nentwigs
MISSED IT BY THAT [ = ] MUCH !!
According to informed sources, The Marlins were in on Corey Seager right up until he signed the deal to join the Rangers.. The Marlins made a “strong” offer, but not one that matched the Rangers’ financial commitment. The Marlins weren’t the only team to be outbid.
The Minnesota Twins had also been linked to Seager.