AUGUST 4: Glasnow underwent a successful Tommy John procedure today, reports Robert Murray of FanSided (Twitter link). According to Murray, the expectation is that he indeed will miss the entirety of the 2022 season.
AUGUST 3: As expected, Glasnow will indeed have Tommy John surgery on Wednesday, reports Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times.
JULY 31: Rays right-hander Tyler Glasnow is expected to undergo Tommy John surgery next week, per ESPN’s Jeff Passan (via Twitter). That not only officially marks an end to his 2021 season, but perhaps his 2022 season as well. Passan adds that he may not return until 2023, though there remains a “small chance” that they’ll find an alternative way to rehab his partially torn UCL before a potential surgery date next week.
Glasnow last appeared in a game on June 14th, at which point the hope was that rehab might be enough for Glasnow to make a late-season return. His latest throwing session put that theory in doubt, per Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times (via Twitter), who adds that the decision for Tommy John isn’t yet official, though it is expected.
Prior to the injury, Glasnow was a clear Cy Young candidate, having posted 2.4 rWAR through 14 starts with a 2.66 ERA/2.76 FIP. He tossed 88 innings with an absurd 36.2 percent strikeout rate and strong 7.9 percent walk rate to go with a 45.3 percent groundball rate. Now, it’s unclear if Glasnow will pitch again before 2023, his last year before free agency.
This is a truly devastating though not wholly unexpected development for the electric 27-year-old. Glasnow’s injury will remain a touchstone of debate, not only because of how his absence will affect the pennant race this season (and next) but because the timing of the injury coincided with MLB’s stricter policy on the use of foreign substances. The causal link there is tenuous, of course, but the connection will continue to be made because of its powers as an analog for the disconnect between MLB decision-makers and the players.
no sympathy for cheaters
Your fav pitcher cheated too.
…and his unfavorite ones too, and everyone between.
prove it
Look at spin rate dips sense aswell as results at the very least theres a strong correlation
@Dark, I agree with the sentiment “no sympathy for cheaters.” And, in this case, it seems that 90-95% of the pitchers in the Bigs were using something to help them grip it. I also think for MLB to impose a crackdown mid-season wasn’t fair to the players. While I agree the game will be better in the long run without spidertack et al. they should’ve given the arms in the league an offseason to prepare.
Hard to take someone seriously when someone rants ” no sympathy for cheaters’ and then say ‘prove it’ when someone questions a pitcher they like….
If he was, he wasn’t the only one. Keuchel and Cease sure haven’t been the same since the crackdown. Particularly Keuchel. He appears to be a different guy on the mound.
Where did you get that number from? Most pitchers have not seen a huge dip in spin rate, so that makes it pretty clear that it wasn’t 90-95% using things like Spidertack. In fact, it makes it clear that most were NOT using it since the only pitchers seeing huge dips in spin rate are guys like Cole. The percentage of pitchers that have seen a greater than 5% spin rate is closer to 20%.
@Pads, I purposely didn’t state 90-95% were using spidertack, just that they were using “something.” To me that includes sunscreen and rosin.
Personally, I’m okay with MLB doing it mid season. I mean, they test and suspend players for using PEDs mid season too. I don’t really see a difference. Some may disagree with me, which is their prerogative. This is just my opinion.
That policy started during an off-season, which is what should have happened with pitchers too
Maybe 25% of the pitchers were using the sticky substance
youtu.be/4VYeTnQlUh0
Rodon too
Dark side of the moon. (0)
Keuchel in fairness looks like the same back end of rotation innings eater that wears down as the season goes on. Cease still the talented but poor command guy who doesn’t throw competitive pitches when he is ahead in the count.
MLB acted like Inspector Renault in “Casablanca” when he suddenly discovered gambling at Ric’s Cafe. “I’m shocked! Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here.”
MLB looked the other way for years. Then when it got out of hand they cracked down. Baseball is a great game, but as a business it leaves much to be desired.
Try 70%
20% have seen a significant drop in spin rate since MLB started cracking down. Still a lot, but no where near 70%.
Even his favorite pitcher did cheat, so did most of the league. But that didn’t really stop him from being effective did it?
If my favorite pitcher tried to blame his UCL blowing up on not being able to cheat anymore, I’d have the same reaction.
Overly simplistic take
I thought those were mandatory here? Could’ve fooled me otherwise.
You continue to show how much of a selfish moron you are.
as did the guy who blamed him being prevented from cheating for his injury
@DarkSide830…The goat in your backyard is missing you right now.
Really??? GFY.
Kind of hypocritical of you to criticize others when they say “lmao” or “deserved what he got” on other injury posts, no?
not being sympathetic and wanting an injury to happen arent the same thing.
MLB should have instituted the foreign substance ban before the start of the season. Using a lil bit of a few things to help with grip keeps the ball from going wild & doing who knows what.
fljay 73 prove it. Since the new ban, wildness hasn’t been an issue. Stats show it.
The ban on foreign substances has been in place since 1970. Rosin helps with grip. Its the only legal substance. HBP has went up with the prevalence of the usage of Spidertack and other sticky substances.
Sweat is legal as well
Dude you clearly didn’t play the game. This is a terrible take. One of the best hurlers in the game will not pitch again this season nor next. I’m not a Rays fan but a baseball fan. Hate seeing this. DeGrom may be next.
The hypocrisy is rich.
So, like 70% of pitchers?
So like 20% have seen a drop in spin rate of 5% or more.
Hitters use pine tar and batting gloves to grip a bat. I see no problem with pitchers using a substance ( other than rosin ) to grip a ball. MLB has tinkered with the baseball for the past 4 seasons, and only admitting this year that they lowered the weight and adjusted the seams of the official ball.
Sure hope the surgeon used spidertack….. I mean, without it you’ve got no scalpel control right?
Awful news. It was likely given the injury though. Hope he comes back just as strong. It just sucks as a Rays fan to lose our best pitcher for 2 years.
Neander failed by not getting pitching at deadline. Injuries happen, you must be prepared. Neander was not prepared, and it will hurt if we still make the playoffs. I am not a happy fan right now.
Sure trade off your top 4 or 5 prospects (that you need to continue to be competitive) for a rental who may not agree to come here (Scherzer) or who has 1 year of club control left (Berrios). The Rays do not operate that way & next season they will have Chirinos, Beeks & McKay back healthy & ready to go. Also Honeywell Jr will have a season of Milb innings under his belt after missing the last few seasons because of injuries.
You don’t have to trade yr best prospects , but you do have to make a run when you are in position. Honey will be fine next year–what about *this* year? And who is to say we are in same position next year? You are ready to rely on rookies?
Please. I know how the Rays work, been following them for the last fifteen years, and we always fall short because of something (this year will be starting pitching). Even as a fan, one can be critical. Or maybe you are actually delusional enough to believe that rotation can win a world series?
(Beeks and Chirinos are number five starters, McKay yet to prove anything. There were many other options than Max…yr post is so riddled w faulty points I can’t stop refuting them…)
Waiting on McKay to get healthy and become some semblance of Ohtani is a fool’s errand. It’s not going to happen. I dunno what that dude is doing to himself as a 25 year old in the minors, but he looks terrible, physically.
Only the Giants can construct a team for the postseason. Everybody else has a roll of the dice in playoffs. Making the playoffs more different years gives the Rays a better chance of winning the world series than loading up one year.
@Sideline Redwing. If you were a “fan” then you would know that the Ray’s are stacked on pitching. Reason why they let Rich Hill go, have a starter pitching for the Olympic team. …. Ray’s did check in on Max. So we are good and still in first place. Don’t see how our GM failed. BTW, you were upset with the Snell trade. Glad San Diego has to deal with that video gamers over .500 era and not us.
Am I understanding this right? He claimed he hurt his arm because he can’t cheat? Are you F-n kidding?
Every single pitcher in the league was using something and everyone knew it so really how can you even call it cheating. Baseballs are a lot slicker than you think… you go and try to throw one that hard and dot a corner with no grip
I’d say try to learn how to pitch instead of just throwing as hard as you can. Or, am I just too old school to understand?
Using substance to keep control of the ball and using substance to enhance your spin rate are two very different things. If you read what Glasgow said in his interview you’d know that.
Then you’d be incorrectly assuming that pitchers in the past weren’t using anything, or that they weren’t constantly looking for some kind of edge to gain over hitters.
Glasnow was trying to justify cheating, you know CYA. It doesn’t matter WHY a pitcher uses a substance, it is clearly defined in the rules as illegal. Fans loved what they were seeing so MLB simply looked the other way until it got out of hand. Similar to the steroid issue. Looking to blame someone? When the fans show up to see the Glasnows, Bauers, or deGroms, the money is rolling in and MLB stays as quiet as possible for as long as possible. Blame the rule makers who are too lazy to enforce the rules.
Mafia, Players will always try to gain an advantage in all sports and have since the beginning. It is never ending. I am not that naive.
Not saying it isn’t cheating but more to the fact of their motivation. Cannot compare spin rate guys to control and safety guys.
Tbh Degroms spin has held its ground since the crackdown but the other two were fine examples
Glasnow gets more spin on his curveball than anyone else in mlb. He often gets it over 3500rpms! He is absolutely a spin rate guy.
Rosin and sunscreen has long been used and deemed acceptable. The difference is folks like Cole were using basically Gorilla Glue on the ball to enhance/increase spin and thus movement. MLB essentially created this problem to a degree by tinkering with the ball and relying on “rubbing” these new/slicker balls with mud, which was not doing what it previously did to reduce the slickness of the ball.
You cite Cole, 16, yet he’s still the preeminent pitcher in MLB, and definitely #2 with DeGrom included.
Ironically, he’s still got a wicked knuckle curve and throws 100 repeatedly while dotting the black. Probably not the best example. He’s proving the counterpoint, in fact, that he doesn’t need it to be the best in the AL and #2 in MLB altogether.
The higher the number of guys using spidertack and similar substances got, the more batters that were hit. The “control” schtick doesn’t fly.
Ironically, Cole has a 4.71 ERA since MLB cracked down on Spidertack and other sticky substances. Coincidence?
That is a conveniently small sample size. Time will tell.
@Pads Fans , your own Blake Snell would say hold my beer. So glad my Ray’s traded him to your team.
Of course you can call it cheating. The rules said that you couldn’t use the stuff that these pitchers were using. Just because everyone was doing it doesn’t mean it wasn’t cheating, that just means that the league was doing a terrible job of enforcing the rule. Besides, Glasnow’s issue was with the enforcement of the rule, not that there was a rule.
Every pitcher in the league was using something:
BULLS”HIT
So Barry Bonds wasn’t cheating cause a majority of the MLB was on roids?
Yes. Rosin. Its legal. Glasnow was using Spidertack which is illegal in baseball.
Agree @kc38! MLB has tinkered with the ball for years, pitch clock and ect. MLB wants to reduce length of games but also wants to improve offense and scoring. So pitching is the escape goat. I have no issues with players using substances to enhance their pitching.
@kc Only 20% of starting pitchers have seen a drop in spin rate of 5% or more since the crackdown on foreign substances started. So not every single pitcher in the league was using something.
If its against the rules and you do it, then you broke the rules. That is really not all that hard to understand.
Plz stop w ignorant posts. It’s a bit more complex than that, maybe research a little.
Then again, social media in America. Make a statement w no support and move on because there is no accountability.
@Sideline Redwing, then enlighten and educate us all since we have ignorant posts. Don’t tell us to research. Share your 5th grade knowledge with us please?
I’m sure many of us eyerolled when he said that. Dude got emo in front of a camera when this news initially came out. He’s human.
Yeah, this was not a very mature response by Tyler. I think he’s trying to assist pitchers in showing the result of the crackdown, albeit not very wisely. Moreover, I doubt one can discern the lack of Spidertack as the issue versus repetitive throwing at high velocities, as is common in today’s game. Even if true, which I doubt, it’s irrelevant and was apparently inevitable.
Either way, he’s a good pitcher, a difficult arm to replace for the Rays, and I pray he recovers well. It’s a shame he won’t be able to contribute further in this ultra-competitive year for the Rays.
Very frustrating. So he won’t pitch again till 2023. Waiting for 2 months did nothing
Probably would not have done much for his 2022 season anyways by waiting since it’s usually 12, but closer to 18 month rehab
Exactly, just like Dustin May
This stuff about cheaters is garbage! These pitching injuries happen because of how hard these guys are throwing and also the amount of effort they use on each pitch. The colleges and prep schools also have to take more responsibility in these pitchers usage as they enter into pro ball.
If you over compensate you create more spin there is an absolutely a chance you can put additional pressure on the elbow/shoulder.
There’s always been guys who throw hard, but (my opinion) how early they start throwing hard, spinning breaking pitches and overworking their arm is the real reason pitchers are so frequently hurt. Kids now at 13 and 14 arms are being used and abused like the little leagues is their job
Throwing breaking balls at a young age will most definitely create problems down the road, especially b/c most youth coaches have no idea how to actually coach, let alone teach mechanics of pitching and breaking balls.
I’d argue a lot of youth coaches also don’t care about what happens to the select few kids who would actually become major league pitchers. It’s not their problem. And if they want to win, those kids are going to be throwing curveballs. It’s unfortunate, to say the least.
At the same time, one could argue throwing curveballs wouldn’t be an issue for the vast majority of players who would never make it to the bigs or even the minors in the first place. So why not let them throw those pitches? It’s the elite young talent that shouldn’t be throwing them.
Of course, there-in lies another problem: if you aren’t throwing your curveball, you’re probably not going to reach your full potential as a prospect. Hard to tell that type of kid to not throw the pitch because it may hurt their arms down the line when it may very well hurt their present and near-future prospects.
Not sure there’s a real solution here.
Glasnow was the one blaming his injury on not being able to cheat…
That’s tuff
They got Baz in that trade for Archer. He’ll start in his place next year. Might even see him on the staff in September and the postseason.
Good lord, if that link to substances was any more strained it would be Glasnow’s UCL
Good thing Neander went out and got more pitching. Oh that’s right, he didn’t. Now the Rays are going to hope they can compete w a rotation of Wacha, Yarb, and a group of rookies (McClanahan, Patino, et. al.). Lack of forward thinking. Inexcusable. I know I should just trust the FO, but this is ridiculous. Pat yrself on the back for the Cruz acquisition fine (i’d love to have those pitchers for this stretch run!), but this deadline was a failure. Sorry.
The Rays went all in on Tyler Glasnow by letting Morton and Snell go. One UCL tear later and the Rays are with out their top 3 Pitchers from the World series team last year.
They also just traded away another reliable starting pitcher as well
And yet they are once again playing very well. They’ve proven for years it’s a system and not individuals. Snell is showing yet again he’s not reliable and had one really good season.
Playing very well in July means little. Playoffs are nice, but as other successful teams have shown, you go for it when you have the chance. This rotation will not bring playoff success, if the Rays can hold on to a spot.
Wacha, Yarbrough, McClanahan, Fleming, Patino…one awful pitcher, two “crafty lefties” (fives at best), and two rookies. Sure. Scary.
You’re saying this as if tomorrow isn’t August and the Rays aren’t well on their way to making the playoffs and they weren’t in the World Series last year. What are these other “successful” teams? Besides the Giants, it’s been random single season teams winning a World Series in the last decade. There’s no blueprint. You’re silly.
due for heavy regression
Suspicious timing of that announcement. They knew something yesterday and could’ve addressed it but chose not to. Probably a spending issue, it is the Rays…the polar opposite of the free spending Dodgers.
This is a great point Go4Two. They could’ve replaced his production through another pitching acquisition (or tried), had they “known” prior to the deadline. The only exception is that they have a bunch of arms at lower levels, therefore may be confident one of those guys can replace Tyler.
Only way to save baseball is go back to more of a pitch-to-contact lower velocity ideology like it used to be or allow different styles for different pitchers
It’s the ideology that is destroying everyone’s arm. Trying to focus in on *every* pitch to “hit location” at the highest velocity possible
Tom Seaver never tried to “hit spots.” Most of the old time players were trying to induce contact or pitch to a “general” location at the right angle.
So many careers ruined because they force every pitcher into the same pitch-to-dot mold. Maybe it suits Degrom but so many other guys their careers are ruined because they’re more pitch-to-contact style or pitch-to-general location and at a certain angle.
They don’t allow someone like Matz for example to just get into a rhythm and get ground balls anymore. He has to focus in and “execute the pitch” perfectly to this tiny spot every time
I’m pretty sure it will be the curveball, not the fastball, that did Glasnow in. Velocity is not the problem, it’s the torque generated from breaking pitches.
I’m sure throwing 97-100 MPH very often isn’t helping, but you are right, JD. Breaking balls put much more strain on the arm than a fastball.
That has been disproven time and again. Its velocity that is causing the issues with the elbow.
It’s particularly the breaking pitches while the pitchers are younger, still developing and growing, then the maximum velocity on their improperly developed/damaged/unprepared arm when they get older.
LOL.. “but if I had sticky stuff I’d be healthy”
see ya in a couple seasons dude
Lol an Angels fan saying “see you in a few seasons.”
Where ya been???
It’s hard to tell. Glassnow’s always been a bit of an odd duck anyway, and his theory of causation may be a lot of bushwaw; “my car didn’t start this morning because I ate Chinese food last night”.
Either way, it’s a tough break. Odd as he is, he’s a likeable sort (unlike Snell, e.g.), and it doesn’t do much for the Rays pennant chances, though they’re the Rays; they’ll call up Honneywell, and he’ll go 10-3.
Or they’ll reacquire Austin Pruitt, and he’ll turn into Craig Kimbrell Part Deux.
That’s my take on it. Sure, he might be right, but Glasnow came across as if the connection between his injury and the sticky stuff crackdown/grip change was obvious. It isn’t. For all we know that UCL tear could have started days or weeks beforehand. He’s not a doctor. And he has history with similar arm injuries.
I’m far from perfect or all-knowing. It just rubbed me the wrong way how Glasnow lashed out as if MLB tore his elbow ligament for him.
I actually agree with him that the league shouldn’t have seemingly changed their stance on illegal substances in the middle of the season… but they did. And every pitcher who was using illegal stuff should have recognized that the day could come when they might have to change things up. MLB is the employer and the pitchers are employees, and sometimes rules get changed or crackdowns on existing rules happen. Not being comfortable with or used to pitching without the stuff is a risk you can choose to take, but you shouldn’t be blaming the league for enforcing it differently at their discretion.
He chose to apparently use it (so what if everyone else was), he apparently chose to not make himself comfortable with pitching without the stuff, and perhaps that was the reason why he subsequently got hurt (or perhaps not).
His point was that making a change mid season and basically mandating that players go from “legal” grip enhancer (Rosin/Sunscreen) to the Yankees/Astros chemist creating special substances that enhance spin/rotation was bound to have an impact on the pitchers. Anecdotal yes, wrong? probably not TBH. To the earlier points, chasing max effort on every pitch and snapping breaking balls harder than ever already carry risk, but telling these athletes to change overnight (when ML already changed the ball multiple times in the past 3 years) with a slicker ball would mean less control and in turn compensation. Max effort does not have much room for compensation of any kind – whether thats extra pressure on the fingers to attempt to grip and control, or additional torque on the elbow/forearm/shoulder. Sticky stuff was 100% a problem, MLB buying the manufacturer of the official baseball and tweaking it without involvement of the players IMO was the underlying causation to this problem.
Using sunscreen as a grip enhancer was always against the rules. The only thing that isn’t is rosin.
Never going to count out Honeywell because he developed so well in OOTP (lol), but he’s looking like a lost cause at this point. He’s making no strides in AAA.
Not a rays fan but when Snell was there why wasn’t he likable? Watching the world series all I could think was he looked so tired like he hated life and glasnow looked like he smoked pot lol
They’ve stayed at or within first place without him. They have arms all over the place and they’re getting healthy.
The reason there are so many injuries now is because pitchers are forced to focus in and hit a tiny “location” on *every* single pitch now
It used to be you were focusing only on a general area and an angle that made it harder to barrel up. That made both the body and the mind much more fluid
These guys are way too tight trying to making the perfect pitch on every single pitch now
Will never understand why these pitchers even with rehab ultimately require surgery delay the Tommy John. Get it done asap son.
Welp. He almost reached that 100 IP threshold…
How is it cheating when the idiot commissioner allowed it for years
Because it’s still cheating. It’s in the rulebook that pitchers aren’t allowed to use illegal substances. When you do an illegal traffic turn, and a cop stops you, yet they don’t give you a ticket you still broke the law. The commissioner didn’t allow it he just didn’t stop it. The player is the one that’s the cheater, that’s not the commissioners fault. And it’s funny that when he puts his foot down to stop it, he gets blamed for making them miss games/hurting themselves…. Nope…. You’re the cheater, not him.
Rosin and sunscreen have never been outlawed…
Rosin is not outlawed. Using sunscreen and rosin together is. Specifically. In the memos that MLB has sent to teams the past two seasons.
Well this Sux, although today I found out the filters don’t catch Sucks
So you can say Sux or Sucks or Suck
I am sure this is very valuable to some who post here.
Haha, sucky suck!
It is a very sucky suck situation
Probably played his last game with the Rays? Can’t see them forking out millions of dollars to not pitch for them next year.
I thought Glassnow would be a star here in pittsburgh.. after one of his first (or not the first) game and he was getting thumped Cervelli came out to talk to him and Tyler basically told him to shove it (based on body language)… i cared less about him, Not that i don’t want him to do well I just don’t care for him.
I am caring less and less about the bungled NH trade… well other than losing Baz that was a kick in the nuts.. but his improvement may also be similar to tylers….
I mean, that will always go down as such a terrible trade. But the Pirates have enough going on now where it doesn’t burn as much as it did a few years ago.
I tend to agree about Glasnow. Everyone is quick to blame our coaching at the time for handling him poorly. But perhaps he had some maturing to do. Still wish he was in our rotation.
Whose he going to blame next?!
Couldn’t happen to a better person
So the Pirates won the Archer trade right?
Yeah, and Cron is gonna get a QO.
@Trade Fiasco Umadbro?
Assuming sarcasm and not ignorance.
Austin Meadows and Shane Baz would like a word.
Serious question and not a reflection on Glasnow’s personality, etc. I believe Glasnow is arbitration this off season, free agent after 2023. There is no guarantee what kind of pitcher he will come back from TJ as. If you were the Rays’ FO , would you try to work out a contract, offer arbitration or cut him loose? Just wondering what others are thinking.
He’s getting only $4 million this year which isn’t much in baseball (ha, “only” and that is more than I will make in my life). Would his arbitration salary be the same? more? less?
My guess is if the Rays want him for 2023, they could offer him a 2 year, $10 million deal. That’s because I think he would be bumped up to $5 million for 2022 based on what he did this year. Something similar to Mike Clevinger worked out with the Padres.
It’s possible but if Glasnow wants to bet on himself, he could turn it down and the Rays would be facing a decision of non-tendering him for 2022. They’ll probably have to do at least a two-years with additional vesting option years.and player opt-outs. Obviously, it all depends how highly the Rays think of his future and Glasnow’s risk-aversion. Or they trade him.
Forgot to mention that they can go through arb and pay him next year to rehab. To lock him up….
Only reasons to keep on 1 year deal would be hoping the rehab goes amazing and he’s back for the playoffs or to extend the QO. Trade deadline will come and go before he’s healthy so a trade is extremely unlikely. So far as the QO, might not even exist after new CBA, it seems a little risky for the Rays locking ~$20mil into one player who didn’t play last year. He would almost certainly accept.
Imo it’s 2 year, 1/1 vesting club option or no tender
It’s 2 more arb years, so no need to panic now.
Another thing about old time players is they would not lift weights
Excessive weightlifting causes players to get injured. It makes the tendons and ligaments too brittle and hypertense
This and the running, not often discussed, but pitchers of old especially starters were running daily and long distance for many reasons. Most do not do this now and instead lift weights, speciality training b/w starts or throw heavy balls/long toss.
Old time like 1880s? Because players definitely have since the 1950s.
It’s hard for me not to wonder if this was a lot of the reason the rays didn’t do more at the deadline
Wouldn’t this justify doing something??? If you lost the one starter who is a stud…doesn’t that mean you need someone to replace him? Don’t understand yr logic here.
You lose far and away your best starter…did you really want them trading the farm for berrios who is nowhere near glasnow? Scherzer was the only available starter you could say is comparable. You get in a wild card game and you really trust berrios? You really wanna trade the farm to maybe win the AL to get murdered in the World Series? Rays always think long term, that’s why their farm system is the way it is. Don’t understand why you don’t understand that
Glassnow comparable to Mad Max? In what universe. It’s not even close. Glassnow’s a bit under Berrios, per ERA +, as good a metric as any. Actually, Glassnow’s career ERA+ is 102, which makes him very, very league average.
You’re underrating Berrios by a significant amount. And vastly overrating Glassnow.
Until you can spell glasnow I can’t trust a word. Hit me up when you finish grade school.
“You took away my illegal sticky stuff so I got hurt”. No sympathy at all for this guy.
R.I.P.
He will be missed
“I told the last cop that I drive better when I’m drunk, but he didn’t believe me. Now, look what happens…I drive sober and I rear end this school bus.”
Ha! This is a great analogy.
pathetic. your theory is: let everyone cheat for the good of the game. as a sophomore in HS in 1977, I was offered an outlet to “something” that would bulk me up and improve my skills on the diamond. i guess about 2% of the hUMAN rACE understands what morals and ethics are.
What was the “something”? Playing time? A glove? I’m intrigued
Good thing Tommy John was the first
To get this done.
Could you imagine if it was called Yones Cespedes surgery or Dickie Thon surgery?
Oil Can Boyd surgery.
Sanogery
Waited 6 weeks to postpone the inevitable….
Clearly he was attempting to rehab it. It’s been done before.
Fair enough, but they were wrong
The results were wrong. The process wasn’t.
I really don’t understand why everyone calls this cheating. Yes I know there’s been a rule on the books since the 70s, but it hasn’t been enforced…at all…since the 90s. It’s another think baseball has chosen to turn a blind eye to in the interests of heightening “entertainment value.”
So, when a rule is not being enforced, breaking that rule is not “cheating.” By not enforcing it baseball was all but encouraging it. Now, to decide to enforce it willy-nilly in the middle of the season in reaction to some bad PR is weak. The decision should have been made in the offseason with plenty of transparency and communication with the union.
All that said however, Tyler Glasnow did not read his UCL because he had to stop using sticky stuff. End of story.
Because baseball fans more than fans of other sports like to insult players on other teams, while ignoring that the team they root for is also filled with “cheaters.”
To your main point, since June, this is the first generation of pitchers in the entire history of the game who aren’t cheating. Pitchers have been putting stuff on baseballs since the game was invented.
Good thing jed hoyer didn’t pull the trigger on that trade for KB and Kimbrel for Glasnow and Kiermaier
Guess now he has to change his name to Tyler Glaslater.
I’m here all week. Don’t forget to tip your waitress.
He will make his next start for this franchise as a member of the Charlotte Knights.
Correction Yankees or Dodgers. He will be in his final year of eligibility the year he comes back and it will be a big arbitration number based on 2021.
So you agree that the Rays will become the Charlotte Knights?
I’m waiting for the day when an article about someone getting TJ surgery starts out…..and he underwent an unsuccessful surgery today.
You’d think people would stop naming their kids Tommy John. It’s like you are asking for arm trouble later in life.
It’s amazing how many pitchers have had elbow issues and I truly believe the focus on spin rate is causing it. My son was a pitcher in school and he found a grip that gave him a ball that moved at an incredible rate and it was because of the excessive spin. It lasted about 10 games and there went the elbow. No TJ or anything and he went back to pitching again the next year but abandoned the pitch
Is there a common denominator? Confidence?
I personally watched Glasnow pitch many minor league games and the ball never spun like it did when he went to Tampa!