Feb. 19: The Dodgers have formally announced the signing of Turner to a two-year deal that runs through the 2022 season. Lefty Caleb Ferguson, who had Tommy John surgery last September, has been placed on the 60-day IL to open a 40-man roster spot.
Feb. 13: Justin Turner alerted the baseball universe of his return to Los Angeles. Pending a physical, the Vayner Sports client will re-sign with the Dodgers for two years, $34MM with a $14MM team option for a third year. The deal includes an $8MM signing bonus and built-in escalators that could raise the overall value of the deal to $52MM over three years, conditional to MVP voting.
Turner returning to the Dodgers hardly counts as a surprise, though the scuttlebutt of late had pushed the narrative of a possible departure. Whether he actually came close to signing with the Brewers or another club is unclear. What we know is that Turner will return to the franchise where he made his name, became a superstar, fan favorite, and World Champion. The 36-year-old third baseman was an All-Star in 2017 and earned down-ballot MVP votes in each of 2016, 2017, and 2018. For his career, he owns a .292/.369/.469 line with 124 home runs and 29.5 bWAR.
His career famously started slow, however, as he languished through most of his twenties as a contact-first reserve infielder for the Orioles and Mets. As he arrived in Chavez Ravine, he brought with him just a .260/.323/.361 slash line over 926 career plate appearances. Perhaps most notably, he had shown almost no signs of power through his age-28 season with a meager .101 ISO.
The tale turned rapidly in LA as Turner produced a revelatory .340/.404/.493 line and 158 wRC+ in 2014, his first season with the Dodgers. The sudden uptick in potency at the plate was prompted by a swing change that he’d begun work on during his final season with the Mets, but it was only once he headed west that results populated his box scores. Turner has to this point produced 98.0 percent of his career bWAR since donning Dodger blue as a 29-year-old.
The relationship has benefited both sides, of course, as Turner has grown into a centerpiece of a dominant era of Dodger baseball. They have won the National League West every season that Turner’s been stationed at the hot corner and finally broke through to win the World Series last year – their third season as pennant winners together.
In returning, Turner is able not only to help defend their title, but to move together beyond an uncomfortable moment on the national stage that took place, unfortunately, at the crowning moment of the Turner/Dodgers partnership. Turner was pulled late in the clinching game of their World Series win because of a positive coronavirus test. Turner nonetheless returned and (often mask-less) took part in the post-game celebration.
The dilemma put upon Turner, the Dodgers, and the league was no doubt trying considering how unlikely it was that he had made it to that point. He is, after all, not only a gregarious and popular superstar on one of the league’s preeminent franchises, but he is a symbol of perseverance for the game, its young players and its fans. Nevertheless, it was an unfortunate disregard of protocols on the national stage.
Turner will now add another chapter to his Dodgers’ career. In returning to defend their title, Turner joins an arguably even-more-star-studded team than the one that defeated the Rays in six games last fall. With the addition of NL Cy Young winner Trevor Bauer to the rotation, as well as former AL Cy Young David Price, who opted out of 2020, the Dodgers boast one of the more decorated rotations in recent memory. All-time great Clayton Kershaw remains at the top with young phenom Walker Buehler. Julio Urias, who closed out the World Series, rounds out their likely starting five.
According to Cot’s Baseball Contracts, the Dodgers’ CBT payroll now stands around $254.7MM. That means they’ve passed the base tax threshold ($210MM), the first surcharge threshold ($230MM) and the second surcharge threshold ($250MM). MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes calculates the team’s projected tax amount at about $13.8MM, but that’s only if their payroll holds at this level. The second surcharge threshold is especially steep, as any dollar spent beyond $250MM is taxed at 62.5%. Furthermore, finishing the season above $250MM also carries the penalty of the team having its highest available draft pick next year moved back by ten places. It’s plausible the Dodgers will attempt to get back under that line, perhaps by trading Joe Kelly and his $8.33MM CBT hit.
Wherever the Dodgers’ 2021 payroll lands, it’s highly likely they’ll be a tax payor of some sort, landing past that first $210MM line for the first time since 2017. Dodgers president of Baseball Operations Andrew Friedman managed to get the team’s payroll south of $210MM in each of the 2018 and ’19 seasons after the club paid the luxury tax from 2013-17. The Dodgers’ actions this winter serve as a reminder that the $210MM threshold is not a salary cap, especially for a team that gets classified as a first-time CBT payor after “resetting” previously. The tax rates are higher for second and third-time payors, which is presumably why the Yankees, Astros, and Cubs seem to be trying to stay below $210MM. Why any other big market team would treat that number as a salary cap is harder to explain.
Turner tweeted news of his return himself tonight, though Jorge Castillo of the LA Times (via Twitter) chipped in with confirmation. Jeff Passan of ESPN (via Twitter) first had the deal in the $30MM range, while MLB Network’s Jon Heyman provided the specific two-years, $34MM number, and the Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal added the club option for 2023 and $8MM signing bonus, as well as later specifics. Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times contributed to dollar value of the team option (via Twitter).
At long last
I was going to be very surprised if he didn’t stay with the Dodgers, and I’m happy it’s finally happening.
Boom!!!!
That’s right !!
Thank the lord!!!!!! Now I can stop checking MLBTR literally every 3 minutes allllll day
Interesting read about dodgers salary outlook and how the bauer deal actually helps them going forward.
“Come 2023 the only dodgers on long term contracts will be mookie betts, allowing dodgers front office to reload that offseason.”
Wall Street journal:
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But there will be other long term contracts added before 2023 comes along since they will most likely be re-signing some of their homegrown players to long term contracts
Shocking! He was not going to be anywhere else.
As a Brewers fan this makes me sad. 🙁
Lol
So the Dodgers payroll will be just south of $8 gazillion. The payroll disparity in MLB is ruining the game
They see the Mets at their level now and they can’t let go of a player like tuner. Should be a good battle.
mistake bringing him back if it’s for more than 1 year
Even with declining physical ability, Turner has tremendous value for the Dodgers for his presence in the clubhouse alone. Re-signing him is not a mistake for any number of years under four. The Dodgers can absolutely afford it.
Disagree 3 years would be too much. 1/2 years is the Mendoza line for dodgers
really disagree with you there they had plenty of other options teams get far too attached to a player you don’t sign a guy because he’s a great guy in the clubhouse that’s just stupid !!
I would argue they don’t have really have many true options. I like the Nuese move, because it provides them a true back up 3B, which is something they haven’t truly had. Howie wasn’t a 3B, kikè was ok, Taylor much the same vein as Howie, Muncy is a butcher beyond some of the metrics that really never evened out due to lack of innings, and Rios was adequate much closer to getting exposed on more than a sample basis. Let’s also not even discuss Lux and his massive throwing issues. Flat out Turner was a necessity.
He’s a professional hitter that’s the glue in the lineup who makes the routine play even with him losing a step. That’s even before mentioning his 131 ops+ & 135 ops+ the last two years. This is significantly way more than getting attached. He still rakes, much more the complete hitter than any on the list mentioned.
I like Turner but as a Padres fan having witnessed what happened to one Ian Kinsler after age 35 going into age 36 this is quite the risk. They may still trade for Kris Bryant being they are the Dodgers but this now makes that less likely. Sure they have Rios but time will tell if this was a good signing or not.
Dodgers don’t need bryant who’s price tag is much larger than his actual Present day value. Dodgers have lux and neuse who can soak up time if turner faulters. While his defense leaves some to be desired his bat shows no signs of slowing down.
I don’t think the Dodgers have ever had any real interest in Bryant. The Cubs should probably just hold on to him and give him a QO after this upcoming season, unless some other team blows them away with an offer. It’s kind of late in the game for that to happen prior to the start of the season, though. Maybe some contender will be interested at the trade deadline.
Turner is the bridge to Hoese and a productive one at that.
Cey Hey: Turner is brittle but exceptional. Two years was a fair length for the extension. Hoese is not a sure thing, but then again, maybe the next Ron Cey?
Turner is more like Beltre than Kinsler.
Not really. Beltre is a first ballot HOFer.
shocker!
Good lord the Dodgers roster is by far the best in baseball and it’s not close. Their floor is 100 wins.
@amk1920 I think that’s been true for the last 3 years.
They didn’t have the best roster in 2019 – Houston did.2020 and 2021 they do, though.
They have played .631 ball since 2017. That translates to 102-60 per full season. Yet the front office is still making moves to improve the team. This Friedman/Roberts era is the best in franchise history and they’re really just getting started as it’s not an old roster. On paper, the 2021 roster is their best yet.
Any time a team has a 5-year span of being competitive,it’s something really special. The Dodgers look like they will continue beyond that 5 years, and they already got a WS out of it. Dodger fans need to take a step back and realize how great this era really is.
The Braves rattled off 14 straight division titles, appeared in five World Series and only won one. Winning the regular season means nothing in October
Well…it means the team is in the playoffs with a chance to compete for a championship…that’s something.
And that Braves run is legendary. Growing up in the 90s, the Braves were THE team.
Dern… A part of me was kinda hoping the Braves would get him. Low key…
No thanks.
After seeing what it cost, I guess I’m glad we didn’t. 2 years is reasonable at his age, but 17 mil a year plus that option. Idk bit steep if ya ask me. I’ll take our project Riley and hope for the best. He had shown he can be significantly better than Turner. But also, significantly worse than me at home never playing pro ball lol
With Turner we don’t have to “hope for the best.”
When has Austin Riley shown he could be significantly better than someone with an .888 OPS (139 OPS+) over seven seasons? For a couple weeks, before the league adjusted?
There’s still time for Austin Riley to be a good player, but right now he’s below replacement level, and the sample size you’re basing his potential on makes me think you’d have put Kevin Maas in the Hall after year one.
Lol. Relax. He was elite when he first came up and he had a period last year where he was elite also. BUT clearly he has shown more bad than good. My point was more, he can be really good (elite lvl) especially if he puts it all together for longer than 2 months. Lol. But I clearly acknowledged just how bad he can be also. Your statement is what we like to call, an arrogant unnecessary overreaction
We don’t need a 3B that has an OPS+ of 139, we got a guy who had a couple good months. This is proof he could be better than that, of course.
Tell me again how I’m the one with “an arrogant unnecessary overreaction” though.
I’m not the one who needs to relax, either. My team is getting a ring ceremony, and now has 3B settled. Perhaps you can find a futures bet on Riley becoming elite. I would think you could get 3-1 odds on that.
I forget who said it, but it was one of the MLBTR writers talking about how they title their articles based on the reports they get. This is a weird title lol.
Make your own title then blogger boy
what a stupid response to an innocent comment
My favorite was “Padres and Red Sox make a trade.”
He’s accomplished more than me but I still can’t help but feel bad his ring celebration was a covid scare! Congratulations!! Now you’re a dick for celebrating.
the whole season was one giant covid scare
Not a positive test result returning to play scare
Tigers:
As a Dodgers and Cubs fan, Turner used to be one of my favorite players. (Fernando Valenzuela is my favorite.) Now Turner is not up there, though I am sure he does not worry that a few of his fans no longer are as enthusiastic. Nor just for running on the field afterward without a mask, but for not apologizing enough afterward to show he was contrite. He did not just remove his mask for a quick group photo he had it off for a long time. MLB should have fined him $100,000 and suspended him for Opening Day. But he is both brittle and outstanding, he will make the Dodgers better. We are all human, but he sure sucked as a role model.
Ok Karen
*^for
“scuttlebutt” — great word.
+2 points for TC.
Worst kept secret in sports
I knew it would happen. Now to see the contract details and what Turner settled for.
Even better than I predicted!!!!
This is obviously theoretical but could this signing indicate the Dodgers are holding out for the Arenado opt out? I know the Turner deal is not long-term!
Of course it’s not long term unless you wanted to see him playing with a gray beard. The man is 36 already. And BTW it’s an overpay. No one was going to give him 36-54 million. Was figuring it would have taken 2/24-28
I know how old he is and he was asking for 4 years! He means a lot to the organization and fan base so they are giving him some security which I can’t be mad at. With Arenado potentially becoming available, I see why the Dodgers talked him into 2 years and full of incentives. I didn’t expect him to play with a “grey beard”, I was just hoping other teams didn’t offer him as much so he could end it in LA.
Game is a joke. Salary cap and floor, NOW
Keep crying because our farm system is one of the best every year too.
We also turn bargain players like Turner into all-stars.
A salary cap wouldn’t hurt the dodgers it would make us focus on what we do best.
Find cheap depth and turn them into champions.
Congrats on finally buying a title properly after failing for years
Are you saying the Dodgers’ bought their title? Most of their pieces were home grown. Look at their WS winning rotation: Clayton Kershaw, Walker Buehler, Dustin May, Julio Urias, Tony Gonsolin. Their line-up? Corey Seager, Cody Bellinger, Joc Pederson, Will Smith. Justin Turner and Max Muncy were originally brought in on MILB deals. Chris Taylor was a depth trade. Really the only big time free agent that played a decent role for their WS core was A.J. Pollock.
That wouldn’t have been able to keep all those guys without their payroll. Why does this need to be repeated ad nauseum?
Here we go. Buying a title. Wondered how long that would take. Dodgers have a very young team. How is that buying a title? So many whiners, so little time.
You would like a bitter Pirates fan
The difference is when their Milb deal got expensive they could afford to go over 130 million payroll to resign them. They can afford to not only take on Betts 30 million but give him 300 million. They can afford to have the best facilities, equipment, personnel. Uh oh Padres are stepping up to 170 or whatever to try to contend, we will just go to 250.
Go F yourself San Diego.
There’s a difference between able to retain your players and straight-up buying players.
We just want to better. The geography makes you think it’s something more than that. It’s not. Our talent wants to compete, so we’ll do it. It could be the Dodgers, the Braves, the Cardinals, etc. whatever. We’ve sucked forever and now maybe we are good.
By all means, come in your royal blues, pay our hotels, get a beer dumped on you, and spend a night in the city lockup. Then pay our bail bondsman too. All good. San Diego is where people want to live.
Not happening. Your small market team owner is happy as can be with the current arrangement.
I think that the small market team owners want to win too,,but they all know that the deck is stacked heavily against them.WHen they are not nearly at the top of their three year cycle they are not going to spend money just to win a few more games.
Sure most probably want to win. Just saying they are happy with the financial situation. Bob nutting been going on tv demanding a salary cap? Good hearing from you Mendoza. Get in here more. Live vicariously through other teams for a year or 2. Though it’s going to be an exciting year for the Pirates. Get those prospects for Kuhl Brault Stratton Rodriguez Frazier. Gotta lock up that number 1 pick. Have the number 1 pick this year. See if Hayes is good or great. See if Reynolds can come back strong. See what Keller can do with new eyes on him. See if Polanco can crack .200 Lots of things to look forward too. Who needs winning baseball?
Dream- Thank you for the nice note.Believe it or not I have come to feel it is somewhat fun following some of the youngsters brought in to see if they make it.I will not be at your level thusly but it is interesting to note.
I had real feeling for the Orioles,Tigers,Royals,and Marlins fan over the last several years but now I am them!
I remember the days when the Pirates had two successive ownership teams who were clueless and the Buccos were close to moving.I see all of the Nutting haters here but they do not understand that it is a business first and foremost.
The ones who get the shaft from all of this money made by both the players and owners are the fans.That is one of,If not the biggest,reasons why attendance will be on the wane.
I do not know much for the other teams other than the Phillies.That is the reason that I do not comment on other teams.
I was once told to be quiet and be thought stupid than to talk and remove all doubt.
“Superstar”? More like “Superspreader”. See what I did there?
We did but no one cares.
Saw it. If that was your contribution today, thanks for playing but the grownups are talking.
Now move him to 1st and platoon the kids at the hot corner.
The team is (still) stacked. Good for Justin.
Nice to see this. Congratulations JT and LAD!
Totally going in blind here without having read anything other than “two years”:
2 years, club option 3rd. 32 mil.
The Yankees are quietly laughing. DJ is making $16 million a year. Justin Turner is making $15 million a year. Who is the better player? That’s why their laughing. The Dodgers will lose draft picks for being so high over the luxury tax. The Yankees won’t. LA better get to the World Series again. Do they really have a choice with that payroll? Smh
The implicit no trade pact from 10 and 5 rights should be nice, too.
He was worth more to the Dodgers than any other team. The reunion makes sense for all involved, and JT can end his career in Dodger Blue so he can then begin working his way through their system as a coach.
That beard has GOT to be smelly.
So stoked! Couldn’t ask for a better guy in the club house! Plus a 300 plus batting average isn’t bad either. If Tom Brady can toss the pigskin till 43 (or more) then Turner can play in the hot corner at least for a few more years.
@mattypie- you must be stoked from all the meth I guess?
Relax, Yank4Life. You are making yourself sound like a fool and No one is taking anything you say here seriously. Go sleep it off.
@Chief Two Hands- the Dodgers going to these World Series the past few years have just won ONCE so maybe you need to relax, sleep it off, and stop using your two hands? Having the highest payroll in baseball guarantees you nothing, chief.
As long as the masking agents hold up, both of those guys very well might do that.
Wow there are no holes in this stacked team. I wouldn’t mind seeing a Lux for Hader package as it looks like there will be little room for him on this current team.
I wouldn’t hate that, however, I’m hopeful Lux could become a really good player. Am I too hopeful?
Trading Lux for a one-inning pitcher would be foolish. That’s not going to happen. I don’t get Dodger fans who are anxious to move Lux, Ruiz, and Gonsolin. There is no reason to do that.
Not sure if Lux will get any playing time this year but Hader definitely will for the next three years. If Lux was good enough he would have been starting over Kike and Taylor.
@cey hey the trouble is that these guys are going to lose value the more time they spend in the minors
Hader has too many miles on him and Brewers still think teams are willing to pay chapman prices.
That was a shock. Not…
I couldn’t see him going elsewhere. I think negotiations with other teams were leverage against the Dodgers lol
Was really hoping to see the Brewers somehow pull this off, this looks like the least potent Brewers offense since Prince Fielder came up to the big leagues over 15 years ago. Brewers desperately need another middle of the order bat to even think about contending in the Central let alone the National League next season and I don’t think that bat is out there anymore. Best move assuming Jose Ramirez isn’t available via trade appears to be a flier on Maikel Franco with the hopes his best hitting seasons are still ahead of him….but that could be wishful thinking.
What would it take to get Jose Ramirez? Would you trade Avi Garcia, Tristen Lutz, Ethan Small and whichever catcher (Henry or Feliciano) they prefer for him? That’s an instant upgrade to their outfield for both now and later, with a high upside starter and the best catching prospect? Doesn’t seem like the Crew have the pieces, even if Keston Huira was sent too. Certainly wishful thinking, but it seems like the best player for what they need, power at the hot corner.
Indians aren’t trading him he is now their franchise. That package you mentioned isn’t good as well.
Why not? They traded Lindor.
What I really like about Turner signing, other then the obvious (production, leadership, community), is that it makes our bench stronger. The Dodgers have been successful winning 8 straight NL West, 3 NL Pennants, and 1 Championship in part because of the flexibility from their bench players. Guys like Kike, Joc, Taylor, Freese, and Utley have all been key contributors over the last 8 years. Now with Turner back in the fold that moves Rios back to the bench to backup both 1st and 3rd. If Lux can rebound and win the 2nd base job that will put Taylor more or less in the Kike roll of playing both IF/OF. If Neuse is anywhere close to the hype we are hearing he is another multiple position player. And that still leaves guys like Beaty, McKinstry, and Peters. If the owners/players decide at the last minute to go with the DH the Dodgers will have plenty of options. Not to mention being able rest vets like Turner and Pollock. I’m a happy camper.
Me too, ohioscott. Good analysis!
Really glad he’s staying. While his defense has started to fall off a tad he’s still good at 3rd, he’s starting to worry me with injuries but we have guys that can help get him some rest and hopefully the DH is back. Even with some concerns he still clutch in the regular season and a absolute beast in the playoffs and actually looked like himself at 3rd in the playoffs last season. Couldn’t see us replacing what he brings if he left. Actually worried about Bellinger losing power after that surgery. I know A-GON had the same surgery he said he didn’t didn’t have the same power that next season which was clear, hopefully Bellinger goes back to just making contact and being that average up, doesn’t have to hit a lot of home runs with the other guys in the lineup and the pitching we have but I was definitely worried about that plus losing Turners bat.
Teams with a need for 3B should be calling for Rios.
Teams with money to blow and pitching issues should be calling for Price.
Turner is a good signing. Productive with leadership.
Will be interesting how the Dodgers proceed with their current payroll and what they do next year also.
No reason to trade Rios. Payroll will be different by opening day. Future payroll is in great shape with very little on the books after this season.
Gonna have to pay buehler and belli soon
4 years till they need a big deal. That is not really soon
Cey Hey if you are looking to trim salary without taking money back there will be a casualty. But sure, keep Rios on your bench wasted away not playing. Dodgers have a young guy in the system. If Rios is the loss in a deal involving Price or Jansen there is no reason to be upset over losing a guy you’d barely use.
Rios will get plenty of playing time filling in for Turner on off days and injuries. Plus if there is a DH he will get a lot of playing time. Dodgers may just roll with what they have and take a one year hit on taxes. Lots of contracts rolling off after this year so they can reset in 2022. If there is an attractive deal offered to shave off payroll sure that can give them more flexibility for a mid season trade.
Why would you want to give away a 40 HR potential bat who can play 3B? Are you insane?
40 HR not happening from the bench, so that argument is incorrect. Rios will not play enough. The fact that you’d say that suggests you should never call anyone else an idiot. You can’t hit 40 bombs without regular at bats. Guess what? Rios won’t receive that.
Dodgers want to carry dead salary like Price, fine. To ask another team to take on that salary will mean a penalty. Not sure why a part-time bench player with no path to playing time with prospects behind him is baffling. But run that nonsense with Rios. Insanity is signing a player over an alleged 40 bomb player. Or Rios doesn’t have that potential and reality is a place you don’t recognize.
I dont think they will do much in all honesty next year
Lot can change in a year but theres Really zero need to add a Sp, bullpen will be fine (I bet they make a couple small adds there but nothing big, and really theres not a whole lot of field to cover- They gotta leave room to interenally grow
Id bet they stay realllly quite next year, and ofc LAD fans will bit%%^&
There’s no logical reason to assume the dodgers will suddenly stop adding talent. They’ve added a superstar more offseasons than not the last few years
If Seager stays or he’s replaced, it will be with a big name I’d bet. Turner is only a 2 year deal with DH written all over him. Assuming they are going to stand pat is pretty naive thinking
If im running the Brewers I’m offering Josh Hader to the Dodgers for some kind of deal centered around Gavin Lux. I don’t think Haders value will ever be higher than it is right now and Devin Williams is more than capable of filling the closer role. If i could get a package featuring a young bat like Lux is pull the trigger in a heartbeat, and it appears he is still blocked in LA with Turner re-signing
Luxy’s not going anywhere, neither is Rios or Price per above comments
LA’s super team is getting ready to steamroll your squads
So tired of the “trade Lux” crowd.
Lux has been blocked by his poor performance.
When did he perform poorly? He looked good in September 2019, had his season wrecked by illness last year prior to the opening of summer camp.
I definitely read between the lines on that one, “illness.”
This is a make it or break it year for Lux. Let’s hope that he is healthy and regains his 2019 form. I remember him being a disappointment in 2017, then having a very strong bounce back year in 2018 before the blistering 2019. Sometimes it’s a couple steps forward and one step back before breaking out. In 2020 he seemed completely lost at the plate and field.
If there’s anybody I would be happy to get paid in their late 30s it definitely has to be Justin turner, well deserved my guy.. coming from a met fan
Yes. He is a really nice guy too. I met him in 2017 at Dodger stadium. He is always smiling.
Dude!! That’s awesome you met him too. I was with my little cousin who was I think 7 or so. We had blank baseballs and a pen hoping to catch them leave (we know the spot ;]). Security saw us and kept telling us to leave but Justin came walking out and told the security everything is fine! We were there with a son and father as well. He chatted for a brief minute and then told us to give him our baseballs through the fencing. He signed it all for us!!! Never going to forget his kindness. Now Puig on the other hand…. lmao total d***
Fans don’t “know” the players. All people are capable of smiling.
Not me. Smiling shows weakness! I am strong like angry bull!
Love that he’s back. Hate the cost. According to fangraphs, he’s a 17MM/year hit regardless of the third year option. Really curious to see if they had a 3-year deal closer to 36-40MM total. Would’ve just gave him the 3-year if he was up to that total.
Appreciate the hustle and drive but calling him a Superstar is Super Stupid.
139 OPS+ since 2014, and he rakes in the postseason.
Wait….The DODGERS ? To spend another 40 or 50 million? I would have neeeever guessed. #mlbisajoke
Yet here you are. How is it a joke? If we’ve learned anything, it’s that the team that spends the most is not guaranteed to win it all. Don’t get me wrong, it certainly helps. But it’s no pancea if you don’t spend wisely.
Can’t wait for the pulled hamstring early in the season like clockwork.
Didn’t get that 4/5 year contract he was seeking? Shocking
1, Betts, RF (R)
2. Bellinger, CF (L)
3. Turner, 3B (R)
4. Muncy, 1B (L)
5. Seager, SS (L)
6. Smith, C (R)
7. Pollock, LF (R)
8. Taylor/Lux, 2B (R/L)
Quite the balance to that lineup. With seven legit starting pitching options, the Dodgers should consider a six-man rotation. Given the return to a 162 game season, LA’s depth might separate them from the pack more than ever.
Looking at that lineup, I’m still somewhat concerned about Bellinger and Muncy. I sure hope they both can get back on track. I know Cody usually plays small in October, but he struggled often all year as did Muncy. I hope that doesn’t mean the pitchers have found a book on these two….we need them.
There not moving off Mookie 1 Seager 2
But got completely overpaid on a 2 yr with an option. I can’t believe he got 17 million a yr on a multi yr deal. He’s been a good player, but hard pass on that deal at his age.
It’s the Dodgers way of saying thank you for being a clubhouse guy and producer for all these years! Can’t hate when a team gives someone security. It’s only two years. I don’t see the negative.
First why wouldn’t Seager hit 2nd as he’s always done. Second, Turner also was completely undercut as his contract was completely backloaded, and well prorated salaries and all……
Just make that up?
I used like watching this guy play. Now I see him as just a Covid-encrusted hobbit.
That’s your mirror
Unicorndog sad.
Now look at what you did, paulslc. That weird hybrid, which has undoubtedly overcome a tremendous amount of adversity and somehow kept a stiff upper lip…is no longer happy. I hope you are…
Chief Two,
You knocked it out of the park with the multiple ellipses. Nice work!
You seem wonderful
Thanks, pie. You’re a sweetheart.
Still being you I see, unicorn. Really drank the koolaid, did you? Rat your neighbor out for not wearing a mask, while mowing her lawn?
Oh, fox. Projecting, aren’t we?
How many people died because he didnt wear a mask?
I think they should of traded for Bryant someone younger.
I think they should have used proper grammar.
Seven.
Liar!
Fake news
Dodgers payroll more than 5 small market teams put together. MLB is broken. Not blaming it on the Dodgers, just saying.
Let’s go!!!
Everyone used to hate the Yankees for buying a Championship but no one cares if the Dodgers do it now
MLB needs to create caps to level the playing field for all teams. This is getting crazy.
Literally every post about teams buying a championship is about the Dodgers buying a championship on this thread………
Dodgers had the most homegrown players of any team in the postseason last year. They spend money to keep their talent, and they develop their young players better than any team. They also turn castoffs into .900 OPS hitters.
Before Bauer, the Dodgers’ biggest free agent signing was AJ Pollock.
It’s so ridiculous that writers have to source every piece of a breaking story.
Since the start of the 2019 season Justin Turner has posted 4.7 fWAR, valued at $37.4 million, in 177 games.
Over the same period, Kyle Seager has posted 4.4 fWAR, valued at $35.5 million, in 166 games.
Seager lacks the injury history of Justin Turner, who is three years older than Seager. If traded Seager is owed $33.5 million, plus potential incentives, over the next two seasons.
The Seager contract is not underwater if Turner gets $34 million, plus incentives, over two years. The Mariners may well exercise the 2022 team option for $15 million plus incentives.
Go fish.
The big difference is that the Dodgers would have to pony up prospects to acquire Seager versus just money to re-sign Seager. In addition, they were looking to rebalance their lineup with another RH batter in Turner. Seager doesn’t achieve this. I think the difference between Seager’s and Turner’s WAR past is defense. Not that defense is not important but if there is a DH this year you value the bat a little more than the glove. Turner’s bat has been a lot more consistent than Seager’s. You only went back to start of 2019. Different story if you only backed up to 2018 or 2017.
Dodgers might be holding their breath for Arenado to opt-out!
Figured he would resign. I’m waiting to see his decline. I just don’t see him staying as good as he is much longer.
Jon Heyman? Talkin’ Jake had the 2 year/34 mil first.
Dodger fans happy. Fans of lesser teams mad.
*LOVE IT*
Fans of “lesser teams” simply don’t care.
Because nothing says ‘I don’t care’ like reading the turner returns to dodgers story, perusing the comments, and posting a reply.
Yeah they do. They really do.
I look forward to the lesser teams beating the snot out of the dodgers next season. You win the covid title and suddenly you’re all cocky, it’s gonna cost ya!
Keep dreamin bro
They won 106 games in 2019 and then added Mookie Betts. They were the favorites in Spring Training, they won 43 of 60, outscored teams by nearly 2.5 runs per game, and they were still the favorites to win the World Series when the postseason began. They’ve had a winning percentage that equates to 102 wins a year since 2017.
The Dodgers scored the most runs, had the lowest team ERA, and won the most games in postseason history (with no off days in the NLDS and NLCS). They were in their 3rd World Series in four years, and beat the teams with the 3rd best record, the 4th best record, and the 2nd best record to win it all.
And they just added the reigning NL Cy Young winner.
But you’re right, they’re an unworthy team that benefitted from a short season, and will be exposed in 2021 as the frauds that they are.
They also struggled to beat a Braves team that wasn’t that great. They should have beaten them more easily.
Braves were the #1 OPS team in mlb in 2020. Also losing one series doesn’t negate years of elite performance. If you’re a baseball fan you should know that mlb playoffs can be a crapshoot. Plenty of wild card teams have won.
Meh
I certainly don’t believe he is done quite yet at age 36, but I do believe he will continue to be on the decline, albeit, I hope, only a slight decline. Having Rios and Neuse in reserve should help just in case he gets hurt. But what I want most of all from him is to be BEASTY IN OCTOBER!
Im surprised he got such a nice contract! Very nice deal for Turner. Dodgers really came through for him!
Its more money than I would have guessed as well but hey its not my money –
Im glad there’s an opt out before year 3
So many haters on tonight. EVERY MLB team has the same opportunity to spend money and resign their own talent or go out and spend it on FA’s. The fact that they don’t isn’t the MLB’s or the dodgers fault. The cheap billionaires owners are to blame for that. Stop hating the dodgers for playing the game they are allowed to play. If you’re salty because your team isn’t there yet, Don’t give up, stay invested, it makes the win so much sweeter.
Amen bro. It’s not like the Dodgers are ripping every single all-star from all teams through FA money. It’s an all-around development that has made them the envy of many teams and fans alike. From scouting, to the minor leagues, trades, and free agency.
They settled
I think most other fans are just jealous. It’s easy being a Dodgers fan – ownership spends a ton of money and the organization is extremely well run. The finish first every year and always seem to have top prospects coming up. I say this as a Blue Jays fan.
“My team’s owner won’t spend; therefore, there should be a rule that your team cannot spend.
Waaaahhhh!”
It isn’t rocket science for the other GMs to see how Friedman works. They could do it too if their owners decided that winning was better than more profits. These short-sided owners don’t seem to understand that it takes money to make money. They want the easy way out. The Angels share the same market with the Dodgers but Anaheim has an owner who hates paying for pitchers. That must be the Dodgers fault as well.
When Frank and Jamie McCourt found a way to bankrupt the Dodgers, even with over 3.5 million in attendance every year and a decent TV deal, I bet nobody complaining here now cared then. What happened to change this? Many Dodger fans stopped going to games, and MLB took note and made the McCourts sell the team.
If your team does not spend, do the same thing, but you’ve got to have a lot of people join you. It must be noticeable. It must make the news in your area, and it must be an ongoing protest.
The O’Malleys built the Dodgers Dominican Republic academy some here are now jealous about. A couple of O’Malley offspring now own the Padres. This should show the whiners here that it is not the money disparity holding some teams back but rather the vision and true desire of the ownership group.
As for the Yankee fans here complaining about the Dodgers? You made me laugh so hard, the water I was drinking came out my nose.
Alan- spoken like a true homer.Good for you.
Was he wearing a mask when he signed the contract? I’m kidding guys stop
Poor Padres. I admire their push and desire to unseat the Dodgers, but the Dodgers are doing what every MLB team should be doing: Refusing to surrender.
Best team money can buy… Own it now Dodger fans. Yankees are worth 5.4bil according to Forbs Dodgers are worth 3.5bil does this team have a limit ? 257mil payroll for 2021. I guess not.
You roll out a payroll 50 million more than anyone else you better win.
The lament of fans of losing teams.
They were below the luxury tax 2018-2020. I don’t understand these posts. What do you want the Dodgers to do not spend? Do you want to pretend that the Dodgers are a small market team? Of course money matters and many small market teams have a very small chance of winning the WS. What’s the point? Did you just find that out? The Dodgers are big and spend. They have been spending much wiser under Friedman and redeveloped their farm system. Mookie is really their only mega deal. The others have been shorter term contracts. These runs were not made by spending only. No team can just spend to win. Look at the Yankees dry spell. You still have to develop good cheap young talent to blend with the more expensive players. Are we trying to make the it’s not fair argument? Go watch NFL games if you want parity. MLBPA will never allow a salary cap.
Let’s debunk this myth about the Dodgers’ success being due to their being “well run.” If you add up player salaries over the last 10 years for three of the NL’s winningest franchises, LA, STL, and ATL, you find that LA spent more than $1.6MM in salaries per win, STL spent less than $1.2MM in salaries per win, and ATL spent a little over $1MM in salaries per win. The Dodgers are the opposite of “well run.” If they weren’t willing to massively outspend their rest of the league, they would struggle to compete. I don’t begrudge LA their success or their excessive salary outlay, more power to ‘em. But Dodger fans should stop pretending they are winning with their brains and not their wallets.
I tend to agree. They didn’t win a thing before they went out and got a massive hired gun (mookie betts) and now they are just rolling out a payroll 50 million dollar more than anyone else to sustain that great 60 games. It will be interesting to see how this plays out the next couple years. Friedman can go from genius to dunce very quickly.
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Tell me which team is ranked 1st on that list of most homegrown talent on the team and say with a straight face the Dodgers are winning just because they spend more.
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That was last seasons my mistake
The Dodgers are winning just because they spend more. More to KEEP the talent they wisely and effectively develop. More to bring in top free agents like Mookie Betts and Trevor Bauer. The Dodgers have built a GREAT team, I’m just not sure why some fans don’t want acknowledge how critical the $$$ are to the process. Was there a ring for them in 2020 without Betts? If Betts had been a Brave during the NLCS would it have been ATL facing off against Tampa Bay? Who knows? Do the Dodgers do a lot of things extremely well? Absolutely! Is outspending the rest of the league a key factor in their success? Yes it is. I’m not sure why there’s even an argument about this.
So the Dodgers aren’t wise for extending their own star homegrown talents that they drafted and developed? Of course being able to keep their players is an advantage but any of the other 30 teams could have drafted a walker beuhler, Cody Bellinger, Corey Seager etc. Doesn’t mean they would have become the stars they are now. I also don’t like the what if game, what if Freddie freeman or Max fried were on the Dodgers, would the series have gone 7 games?
I’m willing to call the Dodger FO wise, but it’s hardly wise to pay to keep your best players. Every team does that to the extent they can afford to. (And I have it on good faith that the Braves missed on Beuhler, Bellinger, and Seager because they were so focused on Acuna, Albies, and Soroka.) Just because the Dodgers scout and develop well doesn’t mean their extra salary spending isn’t a key to their success. Again, they’re a great franchise and have built a great team, but without the excessive spending some of that greatness would look a lot more ordinary.
The danger of the Dodgers isn’t that their spending of money is somehow bad for baseball (crazy how we as fans have allowed us to be conditioned that spending as little as possible to win is more impressive than spending money).
The danger of the Dodgers for baseball is that they probably have the best front office in baseball, a great team, one of the most consistent development pipelines in the sport, and are spending money WISELY on (mostly) short term deals.
It’s one thing for the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, or Angels to throw out nine-figure deals that look terrible three years in, but I cannot think of one absolute albatross contract Friedman has given out. While some have hit more than others, he operates in high AAV, short-term deals for the most part.
Dodgers are smart, rich, and talented. The train isn’t stopping anytime soon.
The “train” had to claw back from a 3-1 deficit in the NLCS just to make it to the series last year. It may keep rolling, but I wouldn’t count my chickens yet. Baseball has a way of humbling the richest, proudest, and even the smartest (although it doesn’t take a whole lot of “smarts” to outbid everyone for top talent like Mookie Betts and Trevor Bauer). The Dodgers have a great FO and they develop players well, just like all the other top franchises. The dollars are the differentiator. If the Dodger train keeps rolling, it will largely be due to the talent they can afford to keep on board.
You know Mookie wasn’t a FA when they got him right? You remember that the Dodgers gave up two premium prospects to get him? That he was only available because Boston, another huge market team, refused to pay him what he’s worth? Before Bauer, the biggest FA signing the current GM made was AJ Pollock. Are the dollars the differentiator for the Red Sox when they’re spending them on Nathan Eovaldi?
I’m still a bit confused by these arguments. The Dodgers are awesome, and it takes $250MM in payroll to be as awesome as they are. It doesn’t matter whether they’re paying the salary for a big trade piece, retaining homegrown players, or buying free agents. Nobody’s dissing the team or the FO. I just don’t understand why Dodger fans need to argue that somehow they could spend a hundred million less and be just as good. The money matters. Just enjoy it while it lasts.
Coming this summer…”It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until your team is financially inferior.” “I need your clothes, your boots and your calculator….” It is…”The Differentiator!”
The money is what attracts the young-middle age finest baseball minds like Andrew Friedman to Uber rich teams like the Dodgers.Do you see these guys(and now women) going to the Rays or Pirates?Not to say that all ML teams should not be able to get qualified top executives,but the rich teams tend to get almost all of the best ones,and one of the main reasons is that the execs want to win a WS also.
Do you think that one of the main reasons that Trevor Bauer signed with a Uber rich team was that they had the best chance of winning the WS?What about Turner?Do you think that the Pirates could have afforded Gerrit Cole,or that he also diidn’t want to play with anyone who did not have a strong chance of winning?
I wouldn’t get too cocky if I were a Dodgers fan because it could be another 32 years,you never know.
These spending posts are so stupid. What do you want the Dodgers to do not spend the money for the goodness of parity in MLB. The Dodgers have spent a lot more wisely than past big market teams. Don’t forget that Friedman had to clean up the mess he inherited from Colletti and rebuilt the farm. It’s not like he has been handing out big contracts left and right. He’s been smart to give out higher AAV shorter term contracts rather than mega deals. This is true with Kershaw, Bauer and Turner. You can argue over relative value but there is something to be said about de-risking contracts by using shorter term contracts. Do you want to be stuck with Pujols, Stanton, Arenado type of contracts? Do you want Cole’s remaining 8 years? Friedman was with the Rays and that was important. He learned small market tactics and blended it with big market budgets. He knows ultimately that no matter the budget it’s not a sustainable model to just spend. Look at the Yankees. This is will be key in how the Dodgers handle upcoming free agents. May have to make some very unfavorable decisions.
You can argue the dodgers are a better run team then the Yankees or any other major market team.
At the same time small market teams can’t afford a single player making 40-45m a year and compete.
When one teams tv deal pays 20m per year and another teams is 200m per year you don’t have the same resources to compete.
For clarity, many Dodger fans are arguing that their high payroll dollars are unimportant to their success. My “stupid” posts about spending are just refuting that. The Dodgers have done a great job of building their team. I’m not asking them to spend any less than they’re spending. It’s just hard to listen to arguments about how the money isn’t one of the key reasons their team is as good as it is.
No, most of the posts here are Dodgers would never be this good without money. Context of these posts is money is the most important factor. Money is obviously huge but plenty of teams know how to flush it away with bad contracts. That hasn’t been the way Friedman has built these teams. I highly doubt that the Dodgers would have been as successful by just spending money. It will be very interesting to see how the Dodgers fare when these free agents come up and when less higher impact rookies and washouts contribute. Great teams have severely declined when they gave out large long term contracts to aging players. Not just baseball. The Dodgers have had a lot of cheap talent contribute in major ways over the last 8 seasons and really the key reason for the sustainable performance in 8 straight NL West division wins and major playoff runs. That spigot could potentially dry out in the future.
The 2019 Dodgers were supposed to be a juggernaut, too.
Did 2020 happen, or…
The Nationals were the only team that could beat the Dodgers in 5 games, and 5 games was the only series length that the Nationals could beat the Dodgers in. It was a perfect storm of pain
Agreed. In a five game series anything can happen. Usually if you have the best 3 SPs you win that series. Getting Bauer was huge. When you can pitch Buehler, Bauer and Kershaw in a five game series you should almost always be favored to win.
I don’t think Turner ever had any intention of leaving LA. He had to listen to offers from other teams to have some sort of leverage. The Brewers probably offered more $$ which gave him the edge to push the Dodgers to give him something close. Good move by both sides!
This year is NOT gonna be as easy as these Dodgers fans think. They barely got by the Braves. The Bauer addition might be enough on his good year. But besides him, what’s different? For me I need a little bit more turn over, things get stale in a hurry. So history tells me.
Urias, May, Gonsalin, Smith, Rios, Lux and even Seager still improving. Add in Downs and Ruiz for more depth, Bauer and Price to the starting rotation and a full year of Betts and this team is significantly better.
Several key Dodgers had a down season in terms of numbers last year, as well. I would also add Buehler to the list of significant players who still have room for improvement.
Downs was traded. No guarantees that May or Gonsolin will improve. It can go either way. Small sample size reversion to mean or sustainable improvements. That said young pitchers are most likely to improve, Urias probably the most likely. Bellinger had a subpar year too. Lux can only go up but still plenty of doubts if he can be an everyday MLB player until he proves so. But the Dodgers overall have a lot of talent. I don’t think you need major improvements but rather at least sustain what you had last season. Part of why I’d have preferred to keep Joc at LF on a platoon for a bounce back. Dodgers did weaken in some areas with departures of Joc and Kike. Not huge but something. Bauer is a potential huge upgrade in the rotation.
I don’t think people realize how much better the Dodgers were than the Padres last year. over the course of a 162 game season, the Dodgers were projected to win the NL West by SEVENTEEN GAMES. And this is with the Padres having flukish, non-repeatable seasons by Hosmer and Meyers and going on a crazy hot streak to end the year – that is, until they were SWEPT by the Dodgers in the NLDS. There is a significant delta between the clubs. Since then, the Padres have added Darvish, Snell, and Musgrove but have lost Clevinger, Richards, and quite likely will lose their best pitcher in Lamet while the Dodgers have added Bauer. No baseball season is ever easy, but I don’t think the Padres are as close as people imagine.
Welcomed back JT! I know you will provide more great Dodger highlights in the coming years! As a fan I know someday you will be managing the Dodgers in the future!
Include in Turner’s contract a 2 years supply of masks to be worn at all times. And a $25,000 fine for failure to wear .
Pretty evident he didn’t care about going elsewhere.
Oh well.
The Braves will likely stay with Riley and make excuses why they lost again.
Braves lost because of poor defense, poor base running, striking out a lot, and poor hitting.
Woke sports writers STILL bringing up Turner’s positive COVID and returning to the field after the series was won is laughable… Ah…. no one cares about that anymore but reminds us woke sports writers always have that leftist’s wheel to grind…
The media and government are desparately trying to keep it alive.
surprised they don’t include that he was using his privilege as well
Good
Seems like an overpay! As for equality, salary cap needs to be firm. Anything over needs to be taxed at 50% or greater distributed equally to other teams under the cap. And low paying/market teams or any team for that matter need to compete at least once every 5 years or be forced to sell their team! Sort of like a business has to show a profit every so often or be considered insolvent. The condition of the term “compete” would need to be defined, by a more intelligent mind than me. The cap would need to be large enough as to not keep premium players from getting paid properly, but not so large as to deter ultimate goal of competitive balance to a certain degree. And the need for competitiveness by lower teams, will require overpay occasionally by each team for the compete clause. I am sure there are a lot smarter people on here who could figure out the details.
he’s not aging gracefully
He does bring that intagible “clubhouse presence” more likely the reason they brought Turner back, good move.
After losing out on Turner, I’m sure the Brewers would have interest in dealing for Rios, and might entertain the idea of taking Kelly off the Dodgers books too.
Makes no sense for the Dodgers to deal Rios. He’s young, cheap and will have to fill in more for the aging and injury prone Turner. If Dodgers are trimming payroll they should look into moving Kelly or Price or Pollock. For Pollock they’d have to find a cheap option at LF like Garret Cooper.
“Superstar”??????
I’s say because he’s been a dodger third baseman that everybody you know, knows his name as the great player he is
Who are the dodgers negotiating against. Did turner have other offers? Are we so craven that we cannot believe he would have not re-signed for 30% of that? And be paid 20 times at 30% what a teacher gets paid? It’s just stupid.
Ok, genius. Do you even know what EXACTLY was offered by Milwaukee and other teams? I’m sure Turner leveraged those offers and ultimately wanted to come back to the Dodgers. That said it’s his last chance at free agency and he has plenty of incentives to maximize total dollars even if it means leaving the Dodgers. It’s a game of chicken. You have to play the game. Turner played it well and there was enough demand for him to hold out this long and get a hood two year deal. His deal is not too far off where I think most of us would have thought he would sign at. Probably a few millions higher but if you thought much lower you were probably too low to begin with. You can’t go short term and be cheap and expect free agents to sign, especially if there is a market for that player. Need to be realistic or risk losing that player.
Dodgers evaluated other options but honestly there were flaws to other options. They didn’t want to give up major prospects so that killed off some of the trade scenarios and didn’t want to go too long on contract term. Didn’t want to go with inexperienced players either.
Teachers aren’t nearly as valuable. If they were they would be making millions of dollars a year. Anyone with average intelligence can teach. Very few can do what JT can.
Who says cheaters never prosper?
Swing change, my A@s!
youre too stupid to understand baseball, stick to hockey and your PEDs
Welcome back Poptart
Dodger baseball – we love signing talent past their prime for idiotic amounts of money.
Red haired overrated loser
Take a deep breath and calm down.
It’s only baseball
Great post Bud !!! Big market fan and agree 100%
Hate your screen name/loved the post tho !
Good point on the edge dissipating for teams like Cle Oak etc etc …it will….then what ya know/ You Know?
Ridiculous overpay
*Sniff Sniff* What’s that smell? Why, I believe it smells like poor! Someone give this poor, little market fan a bath and a loaf of bread! Wow. It is so obvious you are jealous of the Dodgers and their success. Are you mad? What makes you mad about them? Could it be that they win the division every year and makes the postseason-while your team doesn’t? Or is it that they’ve made 3 of the last 4 WS, with the last culminating in a win? Is it the fact they’re the best team in baseball? Maybe it’s the fact that their organization is well run, with the best GM in MLB, with a top 10 farm system, and can afford to keep their homegrown stars? Or, maybe, just maybe, you know it’s because the Dodgers will keep winning while your small market franchise doesn’t do anything? Take a look in the mirror and realize that you only have yourself to blame for supporting owners that don’t give two ***** about winning. You never get anywhere by blaming others for your own problem’s. And that’s what this is. A poor man’s problem. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go watch the best team in baseball with a ownership that’s actually dedicated to winning go out and win many more rings this decade. You only have yourself to blame for supporting that franchise. I didn’t have a choice of not being a Dodger fan-my parents are fans-so by extension, I am. But I’m glad I can support a franchise that loves to win, cares about their fans, their players, and doesn’t have to worry about money.
Exactly. That fool tried to attack me too, but I shut his *** the **** back down. Every franchise is worth at least 900M. But yet, they can’t afford to put out a competitive team? Bull****. The Dodgers are very fortunate to have a ownership that gives a damn about winning and cares about their fans. They can take my money any time to put a good team on the field. And at least Friedman is a master at drafting stars-despite picking 28th or 29th every year. Time to go support our team even more-I’m going to buy a new Dodgers cap and keychain.
Littleness-That should be your real “screen name”!
I see I have touched a raw nerve .Thirty two years was a long time for the “best team” in baseball,wasn’t it?
There are a number of posters on this thread who are Dodger fans who understand the economics of MLB.They understand that small market teams cannot afford to have starting pitcher aces three deep like the Natih(onals do,two of which were free agents.I don’t comment on the Dodgers too much,but the few posters that I see here are often quite reasonable.I congratulate them on their title.
You ,on the other hand,are just plain stupid.
I can see now how Giants and Padres fans can hate moron homers like you.You win one title and think that you are “greatness”.Get a life,and get out of your parent’s basement.
Go out and get your Dodger beads and parade around in them like a ten year old should.
Any discourse on any subject of any substance is way over your head.
First off, I notice you didn’t deny that your team sucks, your life is worth ****, and the owners of the franchise you root for are full of ****. You also didn’t deny you were an idiot. To quote your phrase “It is better to be thought an idiot than to speak and remove all doubt.” That’s your issue-either way you slice it-you’re still an idiot. Glad to know you realize you’re an idiot. Now I don’t have to take you seriously. I wonder why that is? Maybe because it’s true? Glad you know how to acknowledge your faults. And, no, you didn’t touch a nerve. I did, however, revel in the fact you keep giving free passes to discredit you and letting me have fun destroying you. If you know how to read(that must be a stretch for you), I said they were the best team in baseball the last few years. Just being the best team doesn’t guarantee you a title-like all real MLB fans know. It can, however, guarantee you a chance to get to the postseason and prove it-which is what the Dodgers finally did last year. And they will do it for many years to come. And if you don’t comment that much on the Dodgers-why are you even here? What does this have to do with you? Will this affect your life that much? Is it because we live in your head rent free-like I do? And Homer is a bad comparison. Homer is the luckiest man in the world despite his faults. *Smiles* But I’ll take that as a compliment. *Smile grows bigger* I’ve also had the title of Greatness since middle school-about 6-7 years ago. *Smile turns into full blown smirk* How long has your life been at the Mendoza line? Is it when your parents should have aborted you? *Smirk turns mocking* Is that when? Or is it when we owned the other 29 teams in baseball last year? *Starts sneering* Despite your pathetic and futile attempts to insinuate the Dodgers are big spenders-and it’s not fair to the other field-it’s not our fault our team is better than yours. Next you’re going to complain life isn’t fair. Your whole argument is it’s not fair rich teams like the Dodgers can afford great players while teams like the Indians and Pirates are poor and can’t afford anyone. They still have a chance to win just like everyone else. I’m going to be real with you-if you can understand that instead of the fantasy world you live in-The poorest team in MLB is worth 980M. Those owners can afford players. Cut the bull****. Friedman is a great exec and deserves to be praised for how he handles the FO. He’s the reason the team is now so great. A top farm system and a top payroll. It’s not fair-but what is? The Dodgers play in the 2nd biggest and richest city in the country-both which seems to have went out one ear and out the other with you? Again, get used to us winning-you’ll see a lot of more of us celebrating. You also mentioned the Padres. The Padres are a losing team that didn’t make the playoffs until 14 years after they last went-and couldn’t get anything done once they got there. And take a look on Wikipedia and see how many rings they have. Using them as an argument makes yours irrelevant. And you claim I’m stupid? Looking at your comments-do you know how to spell? I think you meant to say “Nationals”, not Natih. Why don’t you fix your grammar and spelling while you’re changing the rest of your 2nd place life? And I thoroughly intend to celebrate once COVID-19 gets under control. Like the great Tommy Lasorda said “We’ll be dancing in the streets.” Do you want Dodger beads? I can buy you some-since you obviously can’t afford some-you poor little market fan. And to quote my favorite character in TV, Eric Cartman-“Let me lick your tears!” “Mmm, your tears are so yummy!” Go spout your bull**** somewhere else, Karen. You’ll never know what it feels like to win as long as we’re around. But, when we win again-I’ll make to sure take note of this comment-and I’ll even buy you a Dodgers Jersey of your choice. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a great franchise to root for. You continue jacking off in the corner, Mendoza Line 215. And I know that’s you, Chris Davis. You done hiding under your burner account? C’mon, you’re a big boy! You don’t have to hide like the below Mendoza line hitter you are.
Your highness the littleness.
Thank you for the extremely long rant.
Believe it or not,I did wade through some of it.
It seems that I struck a nerve even though you won’t admit it from the basement.
I assure you that I will no longer lower myself to your baseless crudeness.I am comfortable that you have shown your true colors.
The Word Nationals was not corrected because the pop up ads cause problems.
You on the other hand did not learn last year in second grade how to put your words into paragraphs.
You are not an idiot nor a moron.
You are one sick pup.