The Phillies have been “quietly trying to” negotiate a contract extension with star catcher J.T. Realmuto and his representatives, NBC Sports Philadelphia’s Jim Salisbury reports. It isn’t known how far along in the process the two sides are, though Salisbury cautions that a deal might not be completed until later in the offseason for a variety of reasons.
It isn’t any secret that the Phils are hoping to keep Realmuto over the long term, as GM Matt Klentak stated that sitting down with Realmuto about a new contract was “one of our offseason goals.” Realmuto is only under team control through 2020, and is slated to be one of the most sought-after members of next winter’s free agent class unless the Phillies can lock him up in the interim.
Realmuto is projected to earn $10.3MM in his final year of arbitration eligibility, a more-than-reasonable sum for the sport’s best all-around catcher. That one remaining arb year, however, could also factor into extension talks, as Salisbury suggests that the Phillies might prefer to work out Realmuto’s 2020 salary first rather than fold 2020 into a multi-year arrangement. The average annual value of any contract is counted as a player’s luxury tax number, and thus the Phillies would surely want to keep Realmuto in the $10.3MM range for 2020 in order to give them more potential room to spend this season without crossing the $208MM luxury tax threshold. A Realmuto extension (and subsequent higher AAV) therefore wouldn’t kick in until 2021 — Salisbury observes that Jake Arrieta and David Robertson will both be off the Phillies’ books at that point, allowing for more spending flexibility.
This isn’t to say that the tax threshold is necessarily a major concern for Philadelphia at the moment. Owner John Middleton has suggested in the past that the Phils would be willing to pay the luxury tax if it meant adding the final pieces to a World Series contender, but not for “a little gain,” or “a better chance to be the second wild-card team.” As presently constructed, the Phillies have a lot of work to do in order to approach title contention, so while Klentak and company certainly seem poised to be aggressive in the wake of a disappointing 2019 season, it seems like the club will stop short of exceeding the $208MM figure this winter.
Roster Resource projects the Phillies’ luxury tax number at slightly beyond $186.34MM, and that figure could certainly drop based on some rumored moves — potential non-tenders or trades of Maikel Franco ($6.7MM in arbitration) or Cesar Hernandez ($11.8MM), for instance. That leaves the team with plenty of space to acquire multiple players, perhaps the starting pitching upgrades that seem to be a clear need.
The majority of contract extensions aren’t settled until Spring Training or even slightly beyond Opening Day, as teams generally prefer to get their offseason business completed before turning to in-house matters. Though there is something of a ticking clock on Realmuto given that he is only a Phillie for one more season, the All-Star catcher has himself expressed interest in remaining with the team, so both sides would seem to have mutual interest in completing a new deal.
StandUpGuy
They won’t resign him unless they pay him a “stupid” amount of money that Phillies fans will immediately regret. He wants to be with a winner and fourth place isn’t that much better than 5th place. They will have to over pay. The Yankees, Dodgers and Braves could all get away with paying him less than the lowly Phillies. If Philadelphia overpays by that much, they will seriously regret it since it has been proven that he can’t push them over the top anyway. If he could, it would have happened already.
DarkSide830
i think they’ve invested too much with Sixto and Alfaro. he has leverage there, and i wouldn’t be surprised if they overpay him.
Matt Galvin
Alfaro is on Marlins.
david klein
He knows you are confused
jorge78
He meant they gave up a lot in trade for him…..
PhilsPhan
He meant they invested a lot by trading Alfaro and Sixto. I had to read it a couple times too before I got it
DarkSide830
sorry about that. figured it was self-explanatory.
StandUpGuy
I knew what you meant when you said it Darkside. It was self explanatory but sometimes people lose things in translation on the internet. I agree with you though. After trading Alfaro and Six to the Phillies basically have to resign Realmuto and JT knows this, which gives him a ton of leverage. If another team doesn’t sign him off the free agent market they lose nothing. If the Phillies don’t keep him they traded their best pitching prospect and their best catching prospect in exchange for 2 years of service that rendered no worthwhile TEAM results. Unless of course the Phillies win it all next season but I find it unlikely that they will do anything more than being the #2 wildcard that doesn’t advance past the their NLDS. And that only happens if they are lucky enough to leapfrog superior teams in front of them. Better teams than the Phillies need catchers and Realmuto knows this. The only way he stays is if the Phillies are willing o outbid those teams. The Phillies will have to do that just to stay at the level they are now, which is a .500 team. That just means they will have less future payroll space to make their team better. I think $100 mill total value would be the top end of a reasonable contract for JT. I am sure he is looking at what his team guaranteed Harper and is thinking higher than that. The problem is they have to pay him tons of cash just to stay average. If they lose his WAR they will likely just become official below .500 losers.
MoRivera 1999
22 lines.
jleve618
1 paragraph. 0 words read.
PhanaticDuck26
the abridged version: StandUPguy obviously works in the Phillies front office because he knows everything about everything the Phillies are going to do. Fact. Period.
clepto
Quality dig.
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Woods Rider
I got it the first time.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Look at StandUpGuy and his big brain, with all the answers. Thank you for your service!
ludafish
Agreed. Alfaro is still a WIP but he can be a very good every day catcher.
Sixto has legit ace potential. And didn’t they give up a lefty too (who I believe is doing well in the minors).
Plus catchers that can do what JT does are rare and he will be wanted. I guess you can use the Yadi extension a couple years ago as a comp.
But JT knows he will be a hot commodity and can really bend them over a barrel… depends where he wants to play I guess.
herecomethephillies2018
Alfaro turns 27 next season. How much longer until he goes from being labeled “WIP” to “bust” in your book? There’s zero doubt in my mind the Phils extend him, it a foregone conclusion.
jbigz12
Alfaro has a serious swing a miss problem. He’s Had it his whole career. He’s peaked if that issue doesn’t change. After this many years i find it hard to believe it will. I see a similar path offensively for him as Mike Zunino. He’s been okay offensively despite his K woes but it’s going to catch up to him.
If someone can ever miraculously fix that gigantic hole I. His swing you might have a real catcher though. Because he definitely Hits the ball hard when he makes contact.
Show Me Your Tatis
You mean like how the Cardinals extending Jason Heyward was a foregone conclusion?
kabphillie
Why do you say that?
PhilsPhan
And why do you say that? Both and the club are publicly interested in a long-term deal
david klein
Horrendous comment
jorge78
Sorry StandUpGuy, not this time. I don’t know what level “overpay” is, but they gave up a lot for him and they like him and he is in the top tier of catchers. Plus, I think he sees the Phillies ARE trying to spend and win. I see your point however. Alfaro could have a “Keuchel” sense of his value as pertains the market. Then things could get weird…..
StandUpGuy
What I meant was Realmuto wanted to get the heck away from the Marlins because they were a last place team and he wanted to win. He only got slightly better in the sense that he is now on a second to last place team. He wants to play for a team that gives him the best chance to win. Even after spending so much money on Harper and Segura and Cutch and Robertson last year (all of which limit ability to spend in the future) the Phillies are still obviously not that team. Realmuto would likely rather play for a team like the Dodgers or Yankees or Braves or even Twins or Rays/A’s because they all give him a significantly better chance to achieve his championship goal than the current second to last team he is with. Like a lot of people before this season started JT was probably really excited and bought into the hype that the Phillies were “THE team to beat” last season. Now he knows they are not. The Phillies are likely going to have to pay more money than Realmuto believes he will get from a truly dominate team. That meansbthe Phillies will likely end up having to offer Realmuto more money than those teams, which means they are paying over market value to convince him to stay with a less successful team. That, by definition is overpaying. Especially when you consider they Phillies had to give up Sixto and Alfaro as well. I get that he has said he wants to stay with the Phillies but that is because he thinks they will write a bigger check than other teams. He just watched them give $330 mill to Harper and Realmuto knows he is a better player than Harper. If the Phillies resign Realmuto it will only be because they are willing to pay him more money than any other contending team.
bhambrave
The difference between Miami and Philly is that the Marlins have no chance of contending in JTR’s professional lifetime. The Phillies have the financial wherewithal and the mandate from management to do what it takes. Now that they’ve replaced Kapler with Girardi, they also have the leadership they need. They will have to overpay not because they are the Phillies, but just to keep him off the open market. They will acquire at least one good SP in FA, maybe two. They can and will contend in the short term.
MoRivera 1999
@StandUpGuy
26 lines on that post. That’ll probably be tops for the thread, just ahead of your 21 and 22 line posts.
PhanaticDuck26
in all seriousness, your time is actually better spent counting the lines than reading the words those lines contain.
clepto
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Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Why do so many people think resign and re-sign are the same thing. Both are very different
neon
Because no one cares because it doesn’t matter. language is meant to deliver ideas from one person to another and you fully understood the idea even if it wasn’t “correct”
PhilsPhan
Have to disagree. People do care, and it’s incredibly important. The fact that you and others think this way is very saddening. People used to take pride in trying to use correct grammar and spelling, etc. Not sure why people attack people who want to be correct.
SuperSinker
It’s not about being correct more than it’s about being a pedant. It’s obnoxious to point stuff out that isn’t necessary to understanding the OP.
phils phanatic
it can make a difference, for instance “joe girardi resigns in philly” or “joe girardi re-signs in philly”. pretty big difference. while u can use context clues to figure out the correct usage, it’s as easy as spelling and properly using a word to avoid confusion
StandUpGuy
It’s not the same thing. People (me included) type comments on their mobile phone and don’t always have the time or ability to switch their keyboard for the sole purpose of including a hyphen. I an sure that over 90% of the time the word resign is used by commenters on this site it is meant a re-sign. Everyone else gets it. It’s not our fault if you’re one of the few that doesn’t. Did you complain to MC Hammer when he made the song 2 Legit 2 Quit? Because that technically means he was talking about two legit people and two people that quit.
Woods Rider
Who’s MC Hammer?
its_happening
Pumps and a Bump. Deion Sanders.
He was not talking about 2 legit people and 2 people that quit. Come on man….
StandUpGuy
Ur exactly right. I was just replying to PhilsPhan and PhilsPhanatic. Using their logic they make it seem like people would actually confuse the title and think that’s what he meant just because he used the # 2 instead of the words too or to. They were basically saying my comment was confusing because I said the Phillies were trying to resign Realmuto instead of re-sign Realmuto. They made it seem like people would read my comment and actually think I meant JT Realmuto was going to quit the team or something. Everyone else knew I meant that I was referring to the Phillies extending his contract but they were trying to make it seem like the lack of a hyphen (-) made my comment super confusing or something.
StandUpGuy
I just forgot to hyphenate. I know the difference between renewing a contract and leaving an organization. Hyphens are some of the most frequently forgotten forms of punctuation. You knew what I meant when I said it and that’s all that really mattered.
jorge78
I know I did!
Marc (Phillies Phan)
Disagree. Realmuto pushing them over the top could NOT have happened by now. Their problem was pitching. The Phillies have a better chance to be higher than 4th place if they get the pitching fixed. They have approximately $116 million committed to nine players in 2020; and their payroll is about $150M roughly (using local news sources). They are close to the Mets now and were for most of 2019, so third is not out of the realm. If they fix pitching and if injuries don’t bite them, they could compete. I won’t say they are better than the Nats or Braves because as of 11/17/2019, they are not close. But for StandUpGuy to make a statement like that, this early shows you are talking because you hate the Phillies and you are not being objective. Objectivity is saying, “Let’s see what they look like on March 15 before we talk standings.” Right now, they are what they are,
I love my team and I am the first to be critical of them, but depending on what Middleton directs McFail and Klentak to do, they can compete. Therefore, I would be all for signing Realmuto long-term.
That said, pitching has to be addressed after this. There is really no room for any other big splashes that are position players, If they do, you are right.
brown trout fisherman
Hate the Phillies much?
Phiilies2020
I’d say the chances of an extension is at least 80%. He knows the Phillies ownership is dedicated to win and they aren’t going to give him a penny less than market value. I see a deal getting done by February.
DadsInDaniaBeach
StandUpGuy, pretty off target comment by you. First, the Phils have money. In what world do you live where they won’t do what it takes to extend the best catcher in baseball? The Phillies had spent every season looking for a catcher after Chooch left.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
DadsInDaniaBeach – They kept Chooch well past where he should have been because they had no one better. I was very critical of Amaro for all the signings (I know it came from higher), but Ruiz was a necessity. I wholeheartedly agree.
Woods Rider
And a very underrated catcher (even in his down years) at that.
jorge78
Of course they are!
Buddy “Bud” Hull
It’s been taking a while to come to terms because they’ve been discussing them solely in whispers; quietly attempting to come to an agreement.
VonPurpleHayes
He has expressed interest in making Philly his longtime team, but that doesn’t matter. He wants to be paid what he feels his worth. An extension should be the Phillies priority, even over FA pitching. The Phils traded a lot for Realmuto and he had a good year. Gotta keep him.
Show Me Your Tatis
Trade is going to look very bad very soon unless they can sign him at a significant discount.
DarkSide830
doesnt matter if he’s gone. he’s the best catcher in baseball on both sides of the ball, and has unique athleticism for the position. there is no discount to be had.
StandUpGuy
I agree with Tatis. I was actually likely wrong in my initial post. The Phillies probably will resign him but that’s because it won’t be anything close to a discount. They are probably going to pay him more $ than any other team in baseball would be willing to. After they don’t win a championship next year that will be their excuse for trading for him when they weren’t gonna win anyhow. They will say they had to make the trade to keep him off the market. Only that excuse doesn’t make sense. If they are willing to outspend everyone else to get Realmuto then they would have just been better off doing that when he hit the market. That way they would still have Alfaro and Sixto. You trade for players band extend them before they hit the market so you can either get a discount or win it all under the contract you acquired them for in the first place. They seem to be doing this because they have the “financial wherewithal” to sign him. The only problem is that there is no reason to believe they have the intellectual wherewithal to put those finances to best use or even win a championship. I think Jake Arietta, Nate Robertson, Cutch, and Harper kind of prove that. Out of all those contracts the one that appears to likely work out the best for the Phillies is Cutch. And he missed most of last season due to injury. That has to tell you something.
MoRivera 1999
21 lines in that post.
Show Me Your Tatis
Yup. If they have the “financial wherewithal” to sign him then that is a reason to NOT trade for him. They didn’t need to give top prospects to a division rival in order to take a chance that he likes Philly enough to give them a discount. They could have just held the prospects and then threw money at him in FA.
realgone2
You might wanna get a life, Mo4ever.
youngTank15
Who’s Nate Robertson?
jdrushton
I think he meant Dave Robertson
jdrushton
The Phillies will not sign him at a significant discount. They’ll pay him a fair market value. They want to delay the extension so that the AAV of JTR’s contract is not inflated by an extension including the 2020 season.
I look at a 4 or 5 year deal at $20 MM a year.
HartnellDown
Throw in an extra year and maybe he takes less a year.
StandUpGuy
I’ll tell you what… If the Phillies can keep JT through the next 5 seasons (including the 2020 season) for less than $100 mill total, I will give them credit. Over $100 mill and Alfaro + Sixto for 6 years of Realmuto is a lot to give up but JT has them over a barrel leverage wise so I could see that. I have a sneaking suspicion that JT is going to get more than that though. He is gonna look at it like Harper is not as good of a player as him and he got a record breaking deal. I’m guessing if the Phil’s are going to resign him they will pay him closer to Buster Posey money. That would be a mistake. Paying Buster Posey Buster Posey money was a mistake. I think he is either getting over $20 mill a year average after next season and over $100 mill total overall or he leaves. Basically, if they can give him a 4 year $89 million or 5 year $100 million extension I think that is relatively fair. I think that is what most Phillies fans on this post think is gonna happen too. I just got a sneakin suspicion that the contract is going to be more than that. I mean… Even if they doubled that it would still be better than what they paid Harper so who knows if they think like us rational people.
SuperSinker
Ya, that’s definitely how I’d describe all of us comment board lurkers lol rational.
philsphan1979
Anyone making dumb statements like he wants to play for a winner, he wants to win etc ..your all idiots! Stop acting like you know the guy and know what he wants, because only he knows. And bottom line is you are all jealous that he plays in Philadelphia and not for your team.
andrewgauldin
Well when he was in Miami he stated that he wants to play for a winner. That’s why he requested a trade. I believe the GM and Owner of Philly are capable and have the mindset to put a winning product out on the field. So I think JT is fine staying in Philly. But he’s repeatedly said he wants to play for a winner.
brown trout fisherman
Nice
okiguess
The Phillies played Reamulto in too many games last year. Catchers and long term contracts rarely end well.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
okiguess – Maybe so, but do the “Joe Mauer thing” in a few years and let Realmuto play 1B or DH when needed then. A strong backup catcher could solve that. I think he is worth it in the interim.
VonPurpleHayes
Yup. He started a few games at 1b last year too. So it’s definitely an option.
jdrushton
JTR can also play 1b. In addition, the NL will adopt the DH in the next year or two. JTR doesn’t necessarily have to finish his Phillies career at C.
youngTank15
So the NL will have the DH next year?
Woods Rider
Please no. For the love of all things holy, please no!
jdrushton
probably in 2022 under the new CBA
amk3510
Realmuto is a lock to re sign in Philly. They have too much invested in him. They didn’t trade their best pitching prospect to an in division rival only to let JT walk.
VegasSDfan
If the Phillies dont want him, there are many other teams likely interested.
Hes looking at 5/80-100 million
ForestCobraAL
If John Middleton isn’t willing to live above that $208 million line then the Phillies need to sell big and reboot the rebuild.
The farm is empty. Those who Middleton employs to acquire talent for the farm are incompetent.
bhambrave
I’ll be shocked if Philly doesn’t extend him. He’s probably the rarest commodity in baseball.
Show Me Your Tatis
Wouldn’t him being “the rarest commodity in baseball” be a good reason to not sign an extension, from the player’s POV?
bhambrave
Not if they blow him away, and they can.
Show Me Your Tatis
They didn’t have to trade for him to be able to “blow him away.”
bhambrave
If they wanted to wait two years, sure.
VonPurpleHayes
Well they thought they could compete in 2019, but injuries snd lack of depth were their undoing. They were technically “in the hunt” until the final month of the season. Don’t forget the Nats battled their way into the playoffs. It’s not inconceivable to think the Phillies get the WC next year with a healthy roster (hopefully some added help too).
jleve618
You know they say phillies fans are jerks, but I find the people who hate on them to be way more bothersome.
modifish
While they are quietly talking, unless JT is willing to negotiate something team friendly, there is not an advantage to doing this thing too early for the Phils. It could wait for things to play out next season. Injuries, poor team performance etc.could change how much of a premium the team is willing to pay for him. In fact, Realmuto could be be more motivated to extend early as injuries are always a concern, catchers in particular. I really wouldn’t make it too much of a priority from the teams point of view right now. Get that pitching staff taken care of and then work it out with him…..
Vandals Took The Handles
Shortly after the Phillies obtained him there was talk that he wanted to sign a long-term contract with them. Many articles for a while noted that it was only a matter of time, both sides were talking.
Heard about 2/3’rds into the season that Realmuto and his wife didn’t care for the Philadelphia/Northeastern lifestyle. Wanted to get closer to their Oklahoma roots -preferably to one of the Texas teams.
Now again I read that an extension is imminent.
All I know is – seems it should have been done by now.
Being a Catcher, playing for Girardi should be an attraction.
jdrushton
They are in discussions about an extension. They are looking at the timing of it so that the extension does not hit the 2020 numbers but the 2021 ones. The Phils have two big contracts coming off the books after the 2020 season (Arrieta and Robertson).
phillyballers
Maybe contingent on getting someone competent to pitch to him other than Nola.