The Reds don’t have much going on at the MLB level this year. Their 19-36 record is a bit disappointing, perhaps, but largely aligns with expectations after a winter that mostly involved acquiring some affordable pitching depth to supplement a returning roster filled with question marks.
There have been some recent front-office wins, though. Offseason additions David Hernandez and Jared Hughes have been nice bullpen buys to this point; both could end up as deadline assets or useful pieces for the 2019 season. The extensions of Tucker Barnhart and Eugenio Suarez have worked out nicely so far. Reclaiming Matt Harvey seems to be a worthwhile, albeit still-uncertain venture.
Perhaps the biggest score of late, though — setting aside the landing of Luis Castillo, at least — has come via the waiver claim of Scooter Gennett from the division-rival Brewers late in Spring Training last year. Gennett was very productive in 2017, but has now elevated his output yet further in the new season. With the picture of the 2018 trade deadline beginning to take shape, he’s a potential source of trade value for the Reds and an interesting player to examine.
Avid readers of MLBTR may recall that, at times in the past, I have shed some doubt on Gennett’s merits as a trade candidate. His effort last year was not accompanied by any improvements to his plate discipline, he carried a somewhat elevated .339 batting average on balls in play with less-than-promising Statcast data (.367 wOBA vs. .322 xwOBA), and he continued to struggle against same-handed pitching (.248/.287/.404 vs. lefties).
Entering the current season, then, my own expectations were not terribly lofty for the 28-year-old, who is playing on a reasonable, but not exactly cut-rate $5.7MM salary. That non-bargain pay grade also weighs down the value of controlling Gennett’s 2019 season via arbitration. It wasn’t all that surprising that he remained with the Reds when the season began, particularly given the relative dearth of demand at second base, a position that he has never fielded with particular excellence.
Rumors of regression have to this point been greatly exaggerated, though, as Gennett is off to a fabulous start in the new year. Through 212 plate appearances this year, he’s slashing a healthy .340/.376/.558 with ten home runs. That’s good for a 156 wRC+. Despite typically middling defensive grades at second base, Gennett has already contributed 2.2 rWAR / 1.9 fWAR on the year.
Basically, Gennett is performing right now like a post-breakout Daniel Murphy. The added benefit here, of course, is that he’s younger and cheaper. Gennett is even torching lefties thus far, with a .364/.375/.545 slash that quiets one of the most obvious critiques of his abilities at the plate.
Impressive as Gennett has been, though, some concerns continue to nag. Surely, he won’t be able to sustain a .405 batting average on balls in play. Statcast numbers again indicate that he has been somewhat fortunate, grading him at a .349 xwOBA that substantially lags his actual .397 wOBA. Gennett certainly has not shown any leaps in the plate-discipline department, as he has an unremarkable combination of a 20.7% strikeout and 5.1% walk rate to begin the 2018 season. And these signals are all the more evident in his 57 plate appearances against southpaws (.514 BABIP, 18:1 K/BB).
It still seems, then, that some regression is in store. But Gennett has shown signs of real change, too. He has quietly converted groundballs to line drives of late. In 2016, he put the ball on the ground 44.7% of the time and hit liners on 20.8% of his batted balls. Thus far in 2018, he’s at 37.3% and 26.6%, respectively. Though he’s not a particularly dramatic participant in the Launch Angle Revolution, Gennett has steadily elevated over time, moving from an average of 10.5 degrees (2015) to 11.7 degrees (2016) to 12.8 degrees (2017). This year, so far, he sits at 14.4 degrees on average. Of late, Gennett has maintained a lofty homer-per-fly rate (20.8% last year, 17.5% this).
An optimist might argue that this interesting blend of data points suggests that Gennett has honed in on being the best version of himself. He’s hitting the ball sharply on a line while generating well-struck high flies when that’s what’s available. That it has come through steady development rather than an obvious change in approach should not necessarily represent a red flag. Pessimists, on the other hand, will cite many of the above figures in support of the proposition that Gennett’s skills simply don’t support this kind of output. By that view, while he’s going well over an extended stretch, Gennett still hasn’t provided good reason to believe it’s sustainable. Projection systems, for instance, generally anticipate that he’ll settle into producing in range of the league-average rate.
We still have about two months of action left before the trade deadline, so the evidence is still being gathered. At some point, though, contending teams with a need at second base will need to decide whether it’s worth trying to pry Gennett loose from the Reds. Just how willing the Cincinnati organization is to deal, meanwhile, could depend in part upon whether and when top prospect Nick Senzel forces a promotion. But the biggest driver will likely be the quality of the offers.
There are a few other second basemen that will surely be weighed as deadline targets — MLBTR’s Steve Adams recently listed a few — but Gennett is the one presently pacing all MLB second baggers in offensive output. It’s hardly certain that there’ll be broad demand at the position. That may not be entirely necessary if Gennett truly stands out, but that’s just where the core question lies. Clearly, he has proven since joining the Reds that he’s a quality MLB player who can help a contender. But unless one or more teams come to believe he’s truly an everyday, high-level type of performer, it’s fair to wonder whether an offer will come in that’s strong enough to pique the Reds’ interest.
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zachary08
If they trade Gennett, Williams is dumber than I thought, play him in outfield when Senzel comes up
redsfan54
Play the guy that can’t make a throw from second in the outfield…… Hmmm?
ksoze
It’d be a much better idea to put Senzel in the outfield. He’s faster, with a better arm.
tv 2
Let’s remember Nick is not a sure thing. I’ve been to probably 5 different doctors trying to figure out my vertigo. the kid may never play
jdgoat
How does trading a guy with little control left make them dumb?
FromTheCheapSeats
You’ve obviously never seen Scooter play in the outfield. It’s not pretty.
GarryHarris
Isn’t Nick Senzel primarily a 3B?
JrMint
At least try to extend him. The Reds haven’t had a lot of luck with developing prospects lately and should realize that they can add Gennett to their core. It doesn’t seem like there is a big demand for second basemen are the moment anyway
thegreatcerealfamine
Mariners
matthew102402
No fit
stubby66
Brewers could use him if they had a guy like him they might stop the revolving door since they had a platoon of Rickie Weeks and that other guy they gave away for nothing lol
darkstar61
Not being able to develop prospects is even more reason to trade for more chances at finding them, not signing a big contract extension to a then 29yo off a peak season
His value will never be higher, his production is unlikely to ever be higher, he’ll probably be into the downward phase of his career by the time the Reds are ready to complete again, he will cost a pretty penny to keep around with that money being able to be spent wiser …Reds should definitely cash in if they can
BrandonGregory74
Gennett’s game is made for GABP. The deal would need to be sweet to part with him. I think he likes being a Red
thegreatcerealfamine
He has no choice in the matter.
FromTheCheapSeats
No need to extend him. The Reds have a year and a half of control left. With the versatility Senzel brings to the table, they’ve got options.
Personally, I’d like to see Suarez back at short, Senzel at third, and Gennett at second long term.
sameichel
Don’t trade him build around him, since Joey is 34 now and he isn’t even 30 yet
ksoze
I agree @sam He just turned 28. Sign him to a 4 year deal, with an option on a 5th. That’s probably the Reds sweet spot for contending with the roster they have, and are developing.
bravesandcrewfan
As a Brewers fan, he is performing way over his head. Trade him now and you will likely get someone at least as good as he will be in 4 years. If you can’t trade him now, wait till the offseason. The Reds shouldn’t extend him. If they do, people will be whining about his contract the same way Yankees fans whine about ellsbury.
FromTheCheapSeats
The Scooter Gennett you saw in Milwaukee is a completely different player. He’s evolved from an absolutely dead pull hitter to the guy that currently leads the league in opposite field hits.
Iron Horse
Signing Gennett long-term is about the dumbest thing the Reds could do. They have 2 above average kids waiting in the wings in Senzel and Shed Long. Even Dilson Herrera is hitting well and has to get a chance on the big club or they’ll lose him. And remember the Brandon Phillips deal? That worked out well. The Reds had to pay the Braves to take him in the final year of the deal. Gennett’s value will never be higher. And no, he can’t play the effing outfield. Why do people think they can just put a player at a different position and he’ll play fine there? This isn’t a video game.
tv 2
you know your stuff
atlho
build around scooter gennett?
sameichel
Him, Suarez, and senzel are the future of this organization
thegreatcerealfamine
Na, Reds have Shed Long 22 in the system. They also have a excellent RF prospect in the system Taylor Trammel 20. Couple those two with Senzel and that’s the future of the Reds Org, not to mention Jeter Downs. Trade this guy because his value will never be higher.
sameichel
Can’t afford another terrible trade which is what would happen
sameichel
Trammel I agree with
thegreatcerealfamine
They picked this guy up for nothing, so whatever they get back is a plus-plus.
sameichel
If they have to trade him it better be for a proven top pitching prospect and a really good hitter
chesteraarthur
Hahahaha, no chance they get that much for him.
tv 2
Only stat nerds can’t see his value. a guy with 30+ and 100 rbi and 325 avg will have a good market. 1 top 100 and a quality b class
tv 2
Only stat nerds can’t see his value. a guy with 30+ and 100 rbi and 325 avg will have a good market. 1 top 100 and a quality b class. If you can’t get that no reason to piss off the base
darkstar61
Yeah. Because “stat nerds” merely pay attention to the meaningless stuff like Stats, Trends and History to form their conclusions. In other words, stuff that completely ignores the only truly important factor when receiving teams decide what to give up in trades – the emotions of the other teams fanboys
jdgoat
“Only stat nerds…” proceeds to use stats
FromTheCheapSeats
I’m tired of people fixating on the Chapman deal.
tv 2
that’s why they pick guys like paraza. stats tell them he is good. eye tests is easy to see the truth
tv 2
that’s why they pick guys like like trending up. lol watch a game. lol
tv 2
one bad deal ago so many great ones
darkstar61
He’ll be a 30yo free agent Second Baseman at the end of next season (making him a slightly younger 2018 Todd Frazier or Neil Walker)
He’s not the future of any club. He’s a 2-3 year spot-filler on a contender with a hole at Second
Steven Chinwood
Exactly, yea he’s had a nice run but it’s not like the Reds had better alternatives. He would definitely be a role player if a contender wanted him, but who?
darkstar61
This season? Off top of my head could see teams like Seattle, either Los Angeles club or even back to Milwaukee as possible destinations.
Once he’s a free agent? I could see him possibly replacing Kipnis in Cleveland for 2020 as I think their middle infield prospects are more towards the 3B side or not expected to be ready until around 2021/22 if they lean towards 2B
tv 2
lol the guy is leading the league in at just about everything but yeah he’s a role player because I’m a stat guy I don’t actually watch baseball. lol. take your boring-ass shifts and your boring-ass stats shove them in your bag and watch a f****** game. ever since that people have taken over the game is less fun to watch. stats can be useful sure but it doesn’t mean the game has to be controlled by them.
brucewayne
I wish the Cards would take a chance
brucewayne
and trade for Scooter ! Play him over Wong at 2B.
tribe_fan_4_life
come to the tigers, would be happy with that.
benharvey26
Despite there being a plethora of promising bats in the Tigers’ system, I do not feel as though Detroit would give up the prospects to add SG to the core.
tv 2
why would a rebuilding team out of 30 year old second baseman no matter how good he is
Greg Broussard
The Reds fans will go ballistic if Scotter is traded. He was born and raised in Cinanatti, talk about a hometown product. Reds should build around Scooter, move Suarez back to his natural position shortstop and Senzal to his natural position 3rd base. Trade current shortstop Peraza.
BrandonGregory74
I would part with Peraza before I’d part with Gennett.
thegreatcerealfamine
With this mentality the Reds are gonna be celler dwellers for years to come.
ksoze
Yes, let’s continue to trade off all our assets. That will win us a World Series! They have already finished the sell mode, obviously if a great offer comes you should take it. If you watch the Reds you’d know not only are his numbers impressive, but he’s a clutch hitter in big situations.
darkstar61
Because you guys are just so successful with him that you’d hate to sacrifice this and next years winning seasons for a better 2020 and beyond, right?
tv 2
so let’s just go ahead and do that with absolutely no pitching
tv 2
who the f*** is going to want a guy hitting 250. the market doesn’t care about what people want
brucewayne
Yea, since batting average is the most important way to tell if a guy is a good hitter right?
mrkinsm
Reds fans like myself could care less if he’s traded. We’re tired of watching a loser, the only way to get the pitching they need is by trading vets. Suarez is never going back to SS. With Senzel and Long (and even Herrera) then Scooter is expendable.
tv 2
exactly they make deals like this to get ahead. I like him too but if he doesn’t take a steep discount he’s got to go.
dodgers2017
scooter and Iglesias to dodgers for verdugo, Mitchell white, Jared kendall and Yadier Alvarez
dodgers2017
scooter and Iglesias for verdugo, white, Alvarez and kendall
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Don’t hold your breathe on that. That’s not how they operate. They’ll probably have more than enough RH options for the back of the pen come playoff time. Maeda will get transitioned back, Buehler will transition as he hits the upper limits of innings cap, as will Strip and then Santana will come close to his limit. They’ll target a SP/LHRP/ and a 1b/corner. Granted that might change with injuries, but I don’t see them blowing their prospect loot on Gennett/Iglesias. I’m not even sure that package gets it done, so much of that package has to prove they are more than talented lotto tickets who have underperformed at AA. Or in Kendal’s case, prove he can actually revamp his entire swing that would allow him to even potentially become an average enough hitter at the mlb level.
Garza Nathan
Scooter Amir and Hughes for Giles and 2 prospects not named Whitley tucker or alveraz
tv 2
lol wow
hiflew
I think the writer is being a bit unfair to the Reds. They had a HORRID start to the season at 3-18, but since Riggleman has taken over, they are nearly a .500 team. I’m not saying they shouldn’t trade their vets, but they should at least have one that is fairly certain to be able to take over. I am not against trading Billy Hamilton, because Jesse Winker is more than ready to take over an OF spot. I am not against trading Raisel Iglesias because Michael Lorenzen looks like he has the stuff to be a closer. Senzel is a great 3B prospect, but he is not ready made to take over at 2B right now.
I know this argument will not go over well with the “prospects will always make things better in 3 years” crowd, but so be it. Scooter is IMMENSELY popular with the fans and they don’t have a replacement ready to go. Real teams are not just built on a computer screen like fantasy teams. You have to take into account player popularity before selling them off. Yes, building a winning team could get you some fair weather fans, but unless that team is going to win every single year for the rest of time, you can’t risk losing your hardcore fans that still how up when you are losing 96 games. Trading him would be a major setback to a rebuild.
PopeMarley
How do you rebuild if you have nothing to rebuild with? The Reds have one of the worst track records of trades, drafting, and developing players over the last decade. It needs to start from the FO on down to the manager, and they have done nothing but reward the inner circle. This once great franchise is now a team used for other teams to rip off and feast on when playing them.
tv 2
lol. Chapman trade was the only bad one so far. we have Castillo Adam Duvall Suarez to name a few. we have drafted guys like Jay Bruce Joey Votto Johnny Cueto
hiflew
How much do you think Scooter will actually bring back? And do you really think that return will stop the Reds from contending? No, you are just conditioned by the “Astros way of doing it” that you think teams must trade away any semblance of a ML player in order to get 5 years worth of top draft picks.
darkstar61
The Reds are now in their 3rd straight year of bottom-6 in attendance per game (this season they are above just Oak, Pit, ChiA and of course the Fla clubs by default)
So you tell us how that “keeping fan favorites to boost attendance” thing been working out for them so far – doesn’t seem like it can get any worse than it is now
thegreatcerealfamine
It also doesn’t help that Votto is holding them hostage and Bailey’s contract is one of the worst of all time. Yea keep those fan favorites.
Solaris601
The cold hard facts about Votto are that he is owed $145M through 2024. Granted he is a perennial MVP candidate, but he won’t be for long. If Votto doesn’t agree to waive his no trade clause this year or next, they’re gonna pay every penny of that $145M, and does anyone have any idea what this team will look like in 2025? Bailey’s contract is as big a nightmare as his performance, and they “only” owe him $23M in 2019 and a sure fire $5M buyout for 2020. Any small or mid-market team understands they cannot realistically rebuild with quality prospects with that kind of money already on the books. Reds can really only afford to surround Votto with affordable, middling talent until they trade him or 2025 rolls around.
mrkinsm
Reds average 18K at home this year, they’ll get over Scooter going bye bye for a winning product in the future.
tv 2
only the hardcore fans are left watching at this point. people are always mad when you trade off a guy they like but they always get over it for winner. and yes I watch most of the games
hiflew
Wow what do you know. I was absolutely prescient about the “prospects will always make things better in 3 years” crowd. BTW, just because their attendance is low, does not mean it won’t go lower.
brucewayne
No it wouldn’t ! They picked him up for basically nothing. So trading him for any player/players that would help in a rebuild for the future would be the smart thing for the Reds to do.
Backatitagain
Braves might be willing to trade a pre-arb starter like Matt Wisler or Aaron Blair or Lucas Sims or Jason Hursh or Luke Jackson for Gennett. Albies to SS, Swanson to 3B.
brewcrewer
Please dont
hiflew
WOW, they might “be willing” to trade one of their junk pitchers for him? How kind of them.
brewcrewer
I don’t get why he left Milwaukee and became good. It’s not just that little stadium either his splits barely favor the home. was he misused or did it just click?
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Pretty they DFA. He was a role player at best. He’s pretty good now.
wscaddie56
Saw scooter double to ignite a 9th inning rally to erase a 7 run deficit in spring training 2011. We laughed that we would certainly never see that little guy again.
Keep shutting up the doubters Scoot.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Scooter Gennett for 1 prospect and a ptbnl. He wont get much back.
tv 2
lol. 1 top 100 at minimum.
Iron Horse
I apologize for the tsunami of stupidity unleashed by my fellow Reds fans. We haven’t won – really won – in such a long time that we cling to any success or player like it’s a life raft. Common sense often goes out the window. “Play him in the outfield! (screw defensive realities!). Sign him long-term! (screw small-market economics!). If you trade him no one will come to games! (screw the reality that people aren’t going to games anyway and it’ll get worse as the losses mount and dog days of summer hit!). The reality: Trade him and shoot for 1 mid-to-lower top 100 prospect at best or a couple 25ish Quad A types and try to catch lightning (e.g. Duvall and Schebler) or shoot for a couple lower minors lottery tickets.
brucewayne
Iron horse gets its! Finally a Reds fan with some common baseball sense!