Anyone still wondering if the Miami Marlins are serious about making a splash this offseason? The Marlins officially signed star shortstop Jose Reyes to a six-year, $106MM deal today. Reyes will receive a heavily backloaded $102MM over six guaranteed years, and has a $4MM buyout on a seventh year option worth $22MM. The backloaded nature of the deal could serve as a no-trade clause, something the deal does not include. Reyes is represented by Peter E. Greenberg & Associates.
As a free agent shortstop in his prime, Reyes was a rarity. The 28-year-old had one of the finest seasons of his nine-year Mets career in 2011, winning his first batting title and posting the fourth season in which he was worth about six wins above replacement. Mets owner Fred Wilpon famously told a reporter in April that Reyes wouldn't get Carl Crawford money, and while Reyes fell one year and $36MM short of that benchmark, he did join Crawford as just baseball's second $100MM player without a 20 home run season on his resume. Reyes' contract was depressed by his injury history, as he hasn't played 135 games in a season since '08. I still like the deal for the Marlins, as Reyes doesn't have to be amazing or play 162 games a year to be worth $17.67MM annually.
The signing means that the Marlins will ask Hanley Ramirez to move to third base, an idea that may not thrill him.
The Mets were willing to offer Reyes a five-year deal for $75-85MM with a sixth year option, but felt that they could not push their offer any further, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter). At today's press conference, Reyes suggested the Mets never made an offer. GM Sandy Alderson made the decision not to trade Reyes this summer partly because he hoped to re-sign the team's longtime shortstop. The new collective bargaining agreement did not affect Reyes' status as a Type A free agent, and the Mets will receive the Marlins' third-round pick as well as a supplemental pick in the 2012 draft for their loss (unless the Marlins sign C.J. Wilson or Albert Pujols, among others). It appears that although the Marlins did not give their second-round pick to the Padres for Heath Bell, Bell's higher Elias ranking still pushes the Mets' pick to the third round. In addition to the Mets, the Brewers were expected to be in on the 28-year-old and had planned to meet with his agents this week.
Armed with deeper pockets and the appeal of a brand new ballpark, the Marlins have been aggressive in their courtship of top free agents this winter. They signed closer Heath Bell a few days ago, have an offer out to C.J. Wilson, and remain in the mix for Mark Buehrle and even Albert Pujols.
Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports broke news of the agreement and the absence of a no-trade clause, ESPN's Jayson Stark added contract deals, Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportesLosAngeles.com first reported the length of the offer, and other details were also provided by Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated and Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Tim Dierkes contributed to this post. Photo courtesy of Icon SMI.
overpaid
WOW
Derek Jeter lasted his entire career playing questionable D at SS, Hanley could’ve done the same. This signing/contract makes absolutely no sense considering A) Reyes is injury prone and B) One season ago they had the #1/2 SS in the game with Hanley.
Waste of resources much?
I almost feel for Hanley . Not only now are the Marlins saying to him that he is no longer the best player on his team , but that now he is no longer the best player at his position on his team . He is obviously not happy about it otherwise he would have made a comment after being asked about the signing .
hanley’s kind of always been a third baseman playing shortstop anyway. his defense could actually be good at the corner instead of bad at short
if he returns to form offensively while playing even average defense at third base, he will almost certainly be the most valuable player on that team
The guy is a very skilled player . I would agree that there are better defenders at that position . But he obviously would rather play SS than 3rd or OF . And Reyes is just slightly better of a defensive upgrade at SS . Hanley had one fairly rough year there according to his dWAR . Other than that they are fairly similar at the position .
you need more data. he’s been 44 runs below average for his career according to UZR and 50 below average according to DRS and +/-. b-r’s TZL – the least accurate of the three – is the only one that likes him. and even that has been negative the last two seasons
i think he can be an average or better 3B, though, and that’d make for a crazy valuable left-side in miami
As a Marlins fan, it will take a lot for me to ever feel bad for Hanley. I like this trade if only because it shows Hanley he’s not the face of the franchise.
Either Josh Johnson or Mike Stanton should take that role over . Much like McCann has done with the Braves and Chipper .
and you swallow gravy
what an intelligent comment
Josh Johnson has to manage to stay on the field, but Stanton COULD pull it off.
Yep, Stanton is the face of the franchise in my book.
It wasn’t a trade, it was a free agent signing. Please learn the difference if you are going to post on baseball acquisitions, It’ll make you sound more informed.
Pretty sure he’s talking about Hanley trading positions from SS to 3B.
Thank you very much.
Well, well…Look at you, Mr. Smartypants
The face of the Miami Marlins is Mike Stanton…
He’s always been a terrible fielder. This season, he added terrible hitting to it. His occasionally-bad attitude didn’t help his cause, nor did the fact that his owner’s not exactly a genius.
I think that if Hanley isn’t a total Zambrano about it, it could be a decent move in the sense that Dominguez hasn’t developed as well as we expected (though it’s VERY early), meaning they could use Hanley at 3B, where the FA market is bare, other than Aramis Ramirez (and the Ramirez pair on the left side of the IF would be a defensive nightmare beyond comprehension).
They could also use a better overall player in center, where Hanley has allegedly been considered for relocation. If they are (understandably) unhappy with Infante’s performance, they could also look at moving Hanley to second and putting Infante at third (if he’s a better defender there) or benching him if Dominguez shows up better in Spring Training.
Really, though, I tend to not feel badly for rich people playing a game who have pissy attitudes and aren’t exactly the best at hustling at all times.
Hanley did comment, you dont know what you’re saying at all.. it was Hanley’s agent who didn’t comment.. get ur facts straight
Maybe, maybe not. Jeter’s never had questionable hustle or an occasionally bad attitude, so he got a longer leash in terms of keeping him happy. He had the benefit of developing (or not, depending if you mean his offense or his defense) in a pre-sabermetric age, so people looked at how flashy his plays were (likely a factor when he won some of his GGs), rather than having stats like UZR to point out his lack of range and overall defensive value.
It also doesn’t help that Hanley was horrid last year. When Jeter struggled, it was later in his career, and there was no one like Reyes to grab as a SS replacement. Jeter pretty much had the ideal situation and demeanor to stick (metrics weren’t widely-accepted stats, he’s a pretty decent guy, and he hits better than most shortstops).
I totally agree that this is a MINOR waste of resources, though. Where else would this money have gone? Granted, I think that they have too much faith in fickle Miami inhabitants. They’re still not likely to finish better than 3rd in the NL East by a noticeable margin, meaning those fickle fans might not show up as much as Loria hopes (he deserves that, though). They might not have the money they expect, making this contract more troublesome than we think now (especially with Hanley on the roster and JJ having some issues with health and making a good deal of dough).
There wasn’t a great fit in this free agent class. Wilson might have been the best, simply because you can never have too much pitching. Fielder or Pujols might have been the sexy choice to sell tickets, but they have a pair of respectable hitters that can handle first in Gaby Sanchez and Logan Morrison. Reyes might have been the #2 choice of the big four (of sorts), since Hanley is a pretty bad (read: TERRIBLE) fielder. It moves him off of the position, though we’ll see if that’s worth his crybaby outburst that MIGHT follow.
Wilson is the only specific player I woudl have called better in terms of fit, but when you consider cost, I probably would have taken Beuhrle or Rollins as well (depending on the contracts they get).
you couldn’t be more wrong. if he stays healthy he is going to be grossly underpaid. and if he doesnt, chances are he will still be well worth the contract. this is a great signing.
Because he’s been so healthy the past three seasons… we should all believe he will be the pinnacle of health for the next six years? And even if he doesn’t stay healthy you’re saying he’s still worth $18MM a year? Very interesting.
so now according to dave cameron he has to be worth 19 war over the life of the contract to earn it. imo it would take a miracle for that not to happen, so actually now im saying he’s DEFINITELY worth $18 mil a year.
There’s also the absent no-trade clause if he doesn’t stay healthy.
Hah, this is only going to get worse.
Reyes has one GREAT tool, his legs (his contact’s good as well, but you get the point). He keeps on having more and more of these leg injuries, and it’s going to make his running worse and worse. It’s tough to hurt a leg a billion times and get 100% production out of it.
This also runs until he is 34. By ten, he’ll probably have 5-10 more leg-related DL stints on the books, and he’ll probably be lucky to make it into 130 games (which he didn’t this season) and steal 35 bases.
There is a chance this works out, but they paid market value for a guy with BIG injury risks. He’ll be great when he’s on the field, but we just don’t know how frequently he really will be.
Someone asked be how bad of a failure his contract will be. I turned to J.D. Drew. It wasn’t a horrid contract, but it was probably something of a noticeable yet minor overpay. He’ll probably earn his keep in his short (from DL stints) seasons for the first half of the contract, maybe 4 years. For the last two, I think it’s going to be pretty iffy, where he’s worth about $10 million and making about $20 million.
New Mlb TR Logo. I kind of like it.
It’s the logo MLBTR uses just for the Winter Meetings. They do it every year.
Anyway…it’s on now!!
Really hope this turns into the 2012 Jayson Werth signing now.
MLB reports “Marlins president say Jose Reyes must cut his hair, he must follow the rules” haha
This years Jason Werth?
His name should have changed from “Werth” to “Worth” after that contract. Good timely misspelling there…
And Jason is Jayson.
YES! Predicted that one correctly!! In your face, Tim Dierkes!! The Brewers?? Puh-leez…
good for you man. you can go ahead and be a little less of a d-bag about it though…
In case you couldn’t tell, I was JOKING!! Being as how I’ve only picked 4 right myself so far, it’s not like I can seriously throw it in anyone’s face, anyway…
It’s really hard to feel good about the state of the Mets right now.
all part of the rebuilding process…I hate to say it but David Wright might be next 🙁
I don’t hope so but I can see it being beneficial to the teams future
It’s tough, it really is. Trust me, I KNOW.
yeah he’s coming to the braves. I know it. Chipper’s on the out.
Hey, look on the bright side……………….………………….. yeah i couldn’t think of one either.
lol, I laughed
As a Braves/Rays I feel great about the state of the Mets….now if the Yankees would just hurry up and get ancient..
Dream Team!
Dream team ? There are still (at this point) quite a few teams in the majors that are considerably better .
I’m really starting to become annoyed with your hate.
Who’s hating ? I was just stating the obvious .
YO! all you haterz need to back up out my FACE!
The starting pitching still needs to improve.
I was kidding. I’m a Phillies (and, of course, an Eagles fan). I was hoping we would call them a Dream Team so that they would horribly choke and be the laughing stock of the league (like the Eagles)
It could still happen .
Or like the Braves and Red Sox.
We’ve never been called the dream team . We could have been called that during that string of 14 straight division titles though . But I think we were a little more humble than that .
14 dicision titles, 1 WS. Not exactly worth of the dream team. I would tend to think of that as more of a nightmare
Yes, but both teams did horribly choke last season.
Marlins? the dream team?? trying to shake the phillies 4 aces curse are we?
There’s a curse?
Yeah, they have 4 aces and didn’t make it to the World Series.
Well, one down (Oswalt), haha. And Howard. I still say ATL and PHI beat the Marlins, and I wouldnt’ be surprised if the Nats pull it off as well.
The Marlins are still missing a lot of pieces to be called a dream team.
😮
So long to my favorite Met. I don’t blame you for jumping ship in all honesty. Instead, I will focus my intense hatred and dislike towards the Wilpons for ruining something that could have been great.
Try Omar Minaya
6 years of DL stints would have been great?
alderson deserves some criticism here as you guys end up with just a supp. pick and a second rounder to show for your superstar shortstop. could have gotten much, much more
As a Braves fan all I can say is good for the Fish, hope they didn’t overpay, now hope my Braves can get a LF and SS. Lets go Bravos
I imagine the Braves aren’t going for Rollins, right?
No . Wren has already stated that he is comfortable with Pastornicky starting the season at SS . They will be , I’m assuming , looking to land a LFer through a trade and possibly a UT guy if Prado is traded .
Psst…I hear you guys don’t like Prado. We’ll give you Soriano and a truck of cash…TAKE THE DEAL!
Seriously, I’d like to see Prado playing 3B, seeing as it’s DeWitt or Baker otherwise.
If you’d like the Marlins have a spare shortstop lying around. I’d love to see how he works with Fredi Gonzalez.
Sounds like Crawford of last year.
Except he’s younger, has a higher offensive ceiling, and plays a much more valuable defensive position. He’s also paid less and for one less year.
Seriously. People be crazy.
I thought the Werth and Crawford deals were horrible as soon as they were signed. This one isn’t.
Really good player . But a bit much of an overpay to get him .
Your comments are welcome. Haters included.
If I had a dollar for every time you said “hater” I’d probably be a millionaire.
all the Marlins fans are going to start flooding this website so get used to it.
All 3 of them? At the same time?
I’ve counted 5 so far . But you were close .
See? Reyes has already almost doubled their fanbase!
LOL . Now lets see if he can double their attendance for next year which would almost be a sellout .
if we did get to 10 it would be like a braves playoff game, empty in the stands 🙂
You do realize that the Braves averaged over 30,000 a game compared to the 19,000 that the Marlins averaged . Thats 11,000 more a game which would equal almost 90,000 over a year at 80 to 81 games . HUGE difference .
Actually its 891000
I lold
oh damn another attendance joke, is this carlos mencias account? so original.
Your picture is out of date.
Its a classic and something classic never goes out of style
Well , when you are watching a game and see almost 50 or so people in the stands and half of those are rooting for the other team , you kinda have to joke about it .
yeah it was hilarious the first 600000 times we heard it though.
actually, if i was a marlins fan i would be quite offended after hearing a joke 600000 times
ur clearly just a baseball fan and know nothing about the actual game.. jose reyes is single handedly better than any player on the braves.. just saying
If you said “each and everytime”, you might be a millionaire.
He’s said it at least 5 times in other posts. I guarantee it.
I’m not ‘hating’ . Reyes is a good player . BUT , he has had health issue over the last 3 years . I think the Marlins could have had him cheaper .
the soap oprea with Reyes is over but now lets see about HanRam
Well here is Jayson Werth v.2. I know the fish wanted to make a splash with the new stadium and team name but this is pushing it a little
im so tired of this jayson werth crap. these 2 guys arent even in the same universe. i dont know if this is going to end up being a bad contract but jose reyes is a much better baseball player than jayson werth.
It’s really hard to compare the two considering that they play different positions . But if you like WAR as an advanced stat .
Reyes (this year(contract year))5.8
Werth (2 years ago(contract year))5.2
So for the positions that they play in their respective contract years , they are not very far apart . One offers a little more to the game than the other and vice versa .
this
try again
who said anything about contract years? you cherry picked werth’s ONE 5+ war season (which happened to be his contract year). reyes has had either 4 or 5 i think. he has a much better track record. comparing the 2 is stupid.
Players always seem to play better during their contract year . Thats why I was using it for comparison . Reyes year last year was arguably his best year to date . Thats one reason I decided to use them .
No it wasn’t. Look at his WAR’s from 2006-2008 bro.
oh and reyes is 4 years younger and clearly in his prime. but im sure that doesnt count either.
Oh and he has been injured each of the last 3 years and has not played more than 133 games in one season during that time . But I guess that doesn’t count either .
great, that’s another way he is not at all like jayson werth. thanks for helping make my point. jose reyes and his contract are not at all like jayson werth and his contract in any way…
Difference was Jayson Werth had garbage surrounding him in DC. The team was pretty much Werth and Ryan Zimmerman.
i guess you’re right. i wasnt taking into account the lineup protection provided by jason bay, angel pagan, justin turner, david wright (im sorry i honestly cant think of another mets hitter). but they were much better than the nats…
Lucas Duda and Ike Davis .
Thank you Loria and Co for finally holding up your end of the deal…see ya in April, May, June, July, August, September, and seemingly October too.
-Life long Marlins Fan.
Life long? Certainly a long time!
Don’t thank Loria yet. He’s all about the money and himself. He’ll run the team in the ground to make a profit or get his way.
Cant get any worse than the past 7 years…
Not if the Feds have anything to say about it.
life long? How was ur 18th birthday this past year? Bet it was a rockin’ good time
Well they will at least see you from April to September . You could always invite them to your house in October just to say they saw you . Matbe you can even watch the playoffs together . Ooh ooh , maybe even invite Reyes too .
You invite Wren to your house this past October?
I tried but he was busy looking down at the basement of the NL East to find the Marlins somewhere .
I can do this all day guy . I’m preparing myself to get ripped over some of our signings too . You should do the same .
Loria is a criminal only out for himself. Don’t thank him yet, until he has a chance to trade Reyes for nothing next winter.
Did you just say seemingly October too for the Marlins? I guess you’d be right though considering the season ends on October 3rd.
What’s gonna happen to Hanley now?
OMG!!! Where have you been the last two months??? Christ!
Been hanging out with your mom.
Wow how original…and gross.
and funny
I used that joke on him earlier…so it was due payback.
He’ll be moving to third.
Maybe the Cardinals will trade for him as their new SS.
Why would that make sense in any world? I would suppose that the Cards would want to use their money for Albert, and not take on another large contract.
And which arm/leg will they be handing over in this fantasy of yours?
the adam wainwright one 🙂
He’ll be traded in a year or two.
*grabs some popcorn for the Hanley Ramirez media fallout*
Brace yourselves……..
Well, you’ll be waiting for a long time. Hanley said he’d move to third base if they signed Reyes.
Aww, really? What happened to his no-way-am-I-switching-positions attitude? Ozzie get to him?
Apparently Hanley and Reyes are good friends. Either Hanley is one of Jose’s kids godfather or vice versa I can’t remember which. That probably played into it.
Didn’t Hanley just go public a week or so ago and tell the media that HE is the Marlins SS ?
A week ago, he WAS the Marlins SS
That was the point I was trying to make . He wanted to be the SS this year . He may be friends with Reyes like someone else posted , but all signs are saying that he is not happy about having to move to another position .
They sat Hanley in a small room and played Ozzie’s press conferences over and over until he cracked and agreed to move to 3B.
FInd me that article that says word for word “no-way-am-I-switching-positions” and ill send you $100.00.
Try not to be so literal, friend 😉
He’s really good friends with Reyes and wants to win.
He did? I could be wrong but I thought over a month ago I saw on here Hanley saying he wouldn’t, I don’t feel like finding the link though, I also could have seen will not instead of will
I don’t get it. They piss off Ramirez (though for a decent cause) and pay money they don’t even know they have for a guy with a long injury history.
I heard something about Hanley to CF but I highly doubt that. Probably 3B.
Hanley now moves to 3rd
or to the Jays 😛
pass.
not as a SS…. but pass? the guys an amazing offensive talent
This is a one crappy Christmas present.
I think in the long run you’ll look back on it satisfied
Most prospects don’t pan out.
For once, I have to agree with the Braves fan but not for the prospects (on which I agree with you).
One day soon , you could be thanking the Marlins for taking him off your teams hands .
Well ladies and gentlemen here is Jayson Werth v.2. I know the fish wanted to make a big splash heading into the new stadium with the new team name as well but this is pushing it. Unnecessary to go this high with the offer until your competition actually makes itself competition with an offer.
it’s nice to see the Marlins being aggressive in the market
Now that they’ve secured Reyes, I’m expecting some big things this week at the Winter meetings. Let’s see what SP’s land in South Florida since that is their next big need.
How much more cap room do they have ? Not be sarcastic . Just wanting an honest answer out of curiousity .
Last year was $58 million. They are looking to bump it up to the $90 million range.
Ok . After signing Reyes , how much more money do they have left . How many more moves can they actually make ?
I’d say 12-14 million. Not a bad SP w/ that.
Ok . So they can still land Buerhle or someone , but should be out of the race for Pujols or Fielder . I don’t know how this is gonna fair for the Marlins . Reyes is proned to injury too much and already had a good SS . They may have felt that they didn’t have a shot to lure Pujols or Fielder or even Wilson and just decided to settle for Reyes just to make sure to get one big name . I wonder if they would have been better off trying to get Fielder or Pujols and just move Gaby over to 3rd and keep Hanley at SS where he would be more comfortable . That lineup to me would’ve been a more productive one and a better draw at the ball park as well . I’m sure more facts will come out about all this later .
Although the $90 millon dollar number was thrown out there, a lot has been said that Loria (the owner) would go above that number if he could land Pujols. How much over that number we don’t know. I don’t believe it will happen, but it would make things really interesting.
It appears that Loria wants to go the route of the Miami Heat and make a BIG BIG splash.
Tim Kirkjian reported tonight that we’ll still have enough money to land Pujols.
I think he actually said that they are still interested in Pujols . Wether or not that they have the money for him or Fielder or even Wilson , remains to be seen .
Not an overpay if he stays healthy and consistently hits over .300. Both seem unlikely to me though.
He will only make 18 Million each year over the next six years. If he stays healthy and actually plays, Florida benefits. If he pulls what he did in New York, 18M is a lot of money every year for a player that might take the field 80 times a year and nothing is guaranteed. He could also turn into other players that drift through the first five years and then turns it on again in the last year, hoping to get another huge deal from someone else. For the sake of Florida fans, I hope he plays every season like his contract year, or it becomes a huge overpay and liability on the field.
Great post! Kudos.
He was overpaid . Marlins should have been a little more patient .
I listen to a lot of Mets fans call in to SiriusXM MLB Network in the morning hoping and praying that Reyes stays. Damn, it’s a crazy move. I think Reyes will enjoy himself in Miami, I think the Marlins will enjoy what he brings to the table (if healthy) and I’m so glad that ONE of the big chips has fallen off the shelf before the Winter Meetings have even begun. Can’t wait for Monday, but I won’t know what’s going on until I get out of my job interview :(. Fate is cruel.
The Mets fans are all out buying some voodoo dolls right now.
Good luck on your interview .
Think this signing put Wilson out of your reach money wise. I say Buehrle is next in line with either something like a 3/39 or a 4/40.
think buehrle is the best bet anyway.
I’d rather have Buehrle than Wilson anyway, if I were the Marlins. Buehrle has an amazingly consistent track record, and is also one of the best defenders at his position in the game right now. Wilson’s only had 2 years as a starter, and only one as a remotely exceptional starter…not saying he won’t still be good, but IMO throwing a 5-year deal or whatever he’s asking for in his direction is too risky.
agreed. imo buehrle should be the next starter signed to a deal. he’s being completely undervalued. 11 straight years throwing over 200+ innings to go along with 3 straight GG and a career 3.83 ERA.
The Reyes and Werth deals aren’t comparable at all …
Werth isn’t half the player that Reyes is, and his deal will end when he’s 39. Reyes’ will end when he’s 34.
Werth will be 38 at the end of his deal. All Reyes has to do is stay healthy.
yes but werth doesn’t rely on his legs to be the players the nats thought he was and what he was with the phillies. reyes runs wild on the base paths and stretches singles into doubles, doubles into triples, etc. once his legs go, reyes is not going to be nearly as valuable as he is when healthy, which that in itself will be questioned a lot. even though werth shouldn’t have gotten anywhere near his 7/126, it still is comparable to reyes because he has power and reyes doesnt and reyes and speed and he doesnt. 2 different players, 2 different situations, same overpaid contracts.
But why would you assume his legs will be gone by the time he’s 34? They’re getting his prime years in this deal.
I’m assuming the hamstring injuries are most people’s biggest concern.
i assume this because of his injury history. he’s already had surgery to repair a completely torn hamstring in one of his legs and he had a separate surgery to repair a tendon behind his knee. last year he missed time as well. until he plays a full season or two in a row without going on the DL, i think itd be perfectly reasonable for anybody to assume his legs could/would be gone by 34.
I don’t. And even if they were, that’d maybe be one year where he isn’t living up to his contract. Much better than the back end of many of the huge free agent contracts signed in recent years.
dont get me wrong, it was necessary for the marlins to make a big splash going into that new stadium with the awful attendance they had last year but i just think it may have saved them a lot of money had they waited to see if the brewer’s interest was legit and if their offer would have been competitive at all. nice signing and necessary big name FA signing, but overpaid nonetheless. who isnt today though i guess
Personally I wish my team matched this deal. I never would’ve said that with Crawford or Werth.
Legs and speed wore out way sooner than power. that’s what he means, I couldn’t agree more.
That’s actually completely false.
flawless victory
I guess Fielder is safe then lol.
If he is in his prime , then the last three years (where he has missed 295 games) would be a huge concern . And some of those injuries had to do with his legs .
Sure it’s an overpay but the Marlins just got much better. After they add Buherle or Wilson I think they have the potential to be a wild card team, with or without the addition of a playoff spot.
They will be better . But I don’t know if I could call them a playoff team yet . They still have to deal with the Phillies , Braves , and Nats (who have not made many deals yet and are looking to getting better too) .
How does compensation work with this? Do the Mets get the Marlins’ second round pick? Or third round? This new CBA deal is messing me up. It should be the second round pick, yes?
Yeah, its the second round pick. As messed up as that is. Losing the teams BEST PLAYER for a second round pick. Screw that nonsense.
And if the Marlins sign a free agent rated higher than Reyes (almost all of them), the Mets get the third round pick, which is just insulting.
This is kinda crazy, but I think I read on ESPN that due to some loophole and the timing of this signing relative to Bell, the Mets will only get the Marlins’ third rounder.
Third round. SD got our 2nd round pick when we signed Bell.
My first correct FA prediction lol
I’m still one for whatever (I got Paps right).
I’m 0 for everything. Even Jeff Mathis can put up better numbers than that.
“See, you would think I could…but…” – Jeff Mathis
They are going to need to move one of Bonifacio or Hanley I imagine…Braves, here’s your chance!
Decent signing, much better than Werth on the grounds that Reyes has two or three more solid years than Jason when the contracts were signed. Alright, injuries could take a toll but Reyes has proven he has gap power and speed year in and year out.
They are moving neither.
Hanley is the current centerpiece of the team…
Boni is just blooming finally and is under team control at a minimal cost and plays pretty much every position but pitcher and catcher
As can Infante. The Marlins would be idiots to hold onto three or four natural shortstops when there are quite a few teams looking for one, by holding onto all of them and accepting a rotation of Johnson/Sanchez/Nolasco/crap/crap and a bullpen that’s solid but clearly lacking a closer the Marlins find competent the fish are impeding their progress that could otherwise be sped up. If there’s any sense in the front office in Miami they’ll try and sign Buehrle and then go snatch up a Huston Street-type and a mid-rotation starter in the trade market using Bonifacio, Coughlan, and Dominguez and trading chips not to mention their young pitchers that are going to be of interest as well.
And looking a Boni’s track record, I’d get rid of him while his stock is high personally.
They signed Bell to be the closer..
Lets see if he can actually play 130 games . Something he hasn’t done since 2008 .
did 2008 come after 2010?
Not sure what you are asking . But was just stating that he hasn’t played more than 133 since 2008 when he actually played a close to full season . The 133 games that he did play came in 2010 .
He did play 159 games in 2008 which was his last full injury free season .
stop.
Hammer time
such a sweet lineup now. reyes, lomo, hanley, stanton, sanchez, infante, boni, buck, p
Buehrle would be a great signing for the Marlins.
So what does their lineup look like now? This is assuming they don’t sign anymore position players.
Reyes-SS
Infante-2B
Hanley-3B
Stanton-RF
Sanchez-1B
Buck-C
LoMo-LF
Coghlan-CF
That sound about right? I’m not usually good at this lol
thats the opening day roster, but after the first month, LoMo will be in the minors, Hanley will be complaining while batting .230 and Reyes will have torn his hamstring
HATER ALERT!
And the Mets will be in the basement of the NL East with our third round pick. have fun with that!
Might be a little unconventional but I think I might actually bat LoMo second in that lineup. He should be able to put up as good of an OBP as Infante generally does and is a better overall hitter, so I’d want him to get more ABs. But I think in reality it will look pretty close to what you suggest, maybe swap LoMo and Buck.
Replace Coghlan for Bonifacio. Than Bump Infante down to the #8 spot. Coghlan will be depth off the bench.
Bonifacio in CF, probably not Cogs.
If I had to guess:
Reyes
Bonifacio
Hanley
Stanton
Sanchez
Morrison
Infante
Buck
It doesn’t look like there are a lot of bidders this year. It would be a good year to go after big FA. Always remember that it is a big gamble. Crawford, Werth, Dunn, Figgins, etc. Developing your players and talking a chance on the player at a low price would be high reward little risk.
Caveat: I am an avid Nationals fan and as such don’t much like the Marlins because of the way they pounded us over the last few years.
That said, I don’t think this makes Miami that much better. That kind of contract makes sense for power hitters who can change the game with one swing, but not for speedy infielders who have had a tough time staying on the field the past few years.
Bell and Reyes haven’t helped the Marlins re-leapfrog the Nats in the standings. However, sign C.J. Wilson or someone like him, and I’ll be worried.
I think you’re getting ahead of yourself a bit. Last year was the first time in a long time the Nats surpassed the Fish in the standings. They led the Fish by 8.5 games.
But keep in mind the Fish had an injured Hanley and JJ missed most of the season.
Enter 2012: The Marlins with a healthy Hanley and JJ, the addition of Reyes, plus a SP or two equals the same ‘ol routine for the Nats. Chasing the Marlins.
chasing the Braves and Phillies
all you do is talk trash, we’ll see though.
Don’t allow yourself to be too optimistic just because your team has signed a player that makes your team a little better . Until proven otherwise , the Phillies , Braves and even the Nationals right now are the teams the Marlins have to pass to get to the division title or even the wild card . The Mets are the only team the Marlins don’t have to worry about .
Maybe if you click your heals and keep repeating that, it will be true. Just like in the Wizard of Oz.
All 3 of those guys were injured last year . Reyes has been injured each of the last 3 years . Hanley I think spent some time on the DL in 2010 also . I know he only played in 142 games . And Johnson also missed a few games in 2010 . I see a pattern here . If all 3 can stay healthy together , and thats a big if , it will be a miracle . And if not , it will probably be the same ole same ole from the Marlins .
Even with the injury history, in 4 of the past 6 years his fWAR has been over 5.7 and his bWAR has been over 5.2. According to Fangraphs his average value the past 6 years has been $19.7 mil, and that’s including a missed year and a typical down year following a major injury. And he’s just entering his prime.
Unlike many of the huge free agent deals in recent years, Reyes has the potential to be a bargain.
“Bargain” is kind of stretching it there…
Fangraphs seems to disagree, given that they’ve estimated his worth at $22-$29 mil in 4 of the past 6 seasons.
It’s a risky contract, but if he stays reasonably healthy and keeps up his productivity he WILL be a bargain.
I think Fangraphs has Boras set the player’s worth. What was Pedro worth in his prime? $35 million a year? Come on…
Wright and Pelfrey are the last players from the 06 team now 🙁
The Wilpon’s need to sell this team. They have completely run this team into the ground. They are know a fifth place moneyball team.
I totally agree they need to sell the team. I will be burning all my mets apparell and will not buy tickets or watch them on television. They sat there and lied to us fans about Bernie and the money. Now we the fans will suffer for the next 6 years as Jose runs all over the Mets
“The Padres received Miami’s second-round pick.” This is incorrect. The Padres receive a pick just before the Marlins’ second round pick. A pick “9A” as it were. The Marlins still have a pick there. The Mets should be receiving that pick unless there is something in this off-season’s compensation adjustments that I do not know. Either way this is incorrect reporting because the Padres did not receive a pick from the Marlins but rather a pick just before them.
I had Reyes going to the Marlins, know they go out and get a good starting pitcher. This was a good way for a team to open a new stadium, the reverse happened with the Mets. It was nice to see a team actually make move when everyone doubted them.
The NL East is going to be really interesting this season..
The Fish going Ham ! LOL
Team Chemistry is still a factor. Now you have two hotheads in Reyes and Ramirez. Good luck with that Florida. I mean, Miami. wtf is this basketball now?
Production trumps chemistry. Always
Where did you hear that from, the Miami Heat?
Marlins are Serious! Good Job Gentleman…
and the marlins management just made themselves look a little better than the mets.
Cool
So can the Braves have Hanley for A bench player and worthless bullpenner like the Uggla deal?
Nah, but we’ll take second place in the NL east for free.
I think we are more worried about the Nationals than the Marlins right now . I like your optimism though .
#1 Hater here!
Ok? Guess you’ll have to call Ruben Amaro Jr. about that one. Because the Braves will be in 1st next year.
I think we are more worried about the Phillies than the Braves right now . I like your optimism though .
Matt Diaz (since he kills the fish) and Scott Proctor (we’d re-sign him just to trade him in the deal) .
Also, giving them Proctor means we have a good chance to beat them every time they use him against us. Would be a massive deal for us. And then if they payed off some of Hanleys contract… I’d loved them.
After the Winter Meetings are over, asking for Hanley to be on your team is going to be your only hope of beating them.
Sandy really botched this one. Although I don’t think they could have got a kings ransom by trading Reyes to a contender before the deadline last year, they definitely could have gotten more than a sandwich pick and a 3rd rounder. Who would have thought the Beltran trade would net the Mets a better return than what Reyes would….
Not if the draft pick they get ends up being a superstar.
It’s pretty likely the Mets could have gotten an “A” prospect (probably along with some lesser ones) in return for Reyes at the deadline.
Anything’s possible, but that’s a much safer bet than a sandwich pick and 3rd round pick.
I think a big factor in not trading Reyes was believing they had a very realistic shot at resigning him. If they knew they didn’t, I think they would have been much more readily shopping him.
I’m devastated by this news, absolutely devastated he would actually leave the Mets.
He just wanted to go from the team who was dead last in the division last year to the team who was next in line .
this really means nothing if they don’t sign a pujol or fielder. i mean who is going to drive in reyes
Hanley, Gaby, Stanton, or Lomo?
They do have some guy named Mike Stanton
obviously stanton! but Gaby is really underrated too
The Carl Crawford of this year? Yes, I think so.
As much as I hate to see Reyes go, this is probably the 2nd best thing for their future. Best thing would be for the Wilpons to sell the team … for real
Jose Reyes or not, this team will probably shut it down around the All Star Break like they do nearly every season. Loria needs to do more if he wants to avoid that and if he wants to average more than 28 fans a game for attendance after the “newness” of the new stadium wears off (probably after the first month).
I see them now lower than 4th in the division and no higher than 3rd . A miracle year would be 2nd in the division and a wild card spot .
Haters~!!!!!!!! xD
Lmfao!!
I am no Reyes fan, but Hanley Ramirez is a terrible shortstop.
He got too big for the position. He’ll do fine at 3B
Even though he would rather play SS ?
All this crap about where Hanley would rather play. He’s property of the team and will just have to play where they tell him. He’s be more effective defensively at 3B IMO as well.
How does a player perform who is unhappy about his situation . I would guess , not up to his potential . If you think that he is gonna be thrilled to be moved to another position or play like his is happy to be there when he is clearly against it , then you are probably wrong . Just the fact that he said a while back that HE was the Marlins SS and the fact that he did not have a comment tonight when asked about the Reyes signing , should tell you something . A happy player plays up to his potential . One that is not , does not .
Come on! He’s a professional. If he can’t recognize that Reyes is a better defensive SS then there’s a problem. I don;t pretend to know him or know his attitude about winning or losing but if he’s not able to get over it Ozie won;t put up with him. These guys are professionals and when it comes down to it I’d like to think the majority of them are in it to win.
Michael Young wasn’t happy with being DH but got over it. I bet Hanley will do the same.
Ignore him. Bravesdude is just that. A HUGE Braves fan who is having difficulty dealing w/ the fact that the Marlins, a division rival, got a really good player. Take some time and read his posts. He is having some trouble dealing w/ this.
Bravesdude, your a good guy but you gotta get over it.
Sorry fellas.. Marlins are not going to be trading Ramirez….
Opening Day lineup Rotation Bullpen Closer
Jose Reyes Josh Johnson Mike Dunn Heath Bell
Emilo Bonifacio Mark Buehrle Ryan Webb
Hanley Ramirez Anibal Sanchez Clay Hensley
Gaby Sanchez Ricky Nolasco Burk Badenhop
Mike Stanton Wade Lablanc Randy Choate
Logan Morrison Edward Mujica
John Buck
Omar Infante
Josh Johnson
Playoffs lego!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
still really weak pitching to start talking playoffs.
offense looks good though if hanram rebounds
Buehrle? When was he signed?
Assuming they sign another starter whether it be Buehrle or Wilson
The guy doesn’t deserve >100M contract. A Carl Crawford type player. I don’t like him ever since he bunted to get the batting title and got himself out of the game. I wouldn’t want that kind of a player in my clubhouse. Bad example to the younger players. Bad bad bad.
He cares too much about himself and not enough about everyone else (his teammates) . It sounds like he didn’t even want to wait to see what the Mets would offer as a counter to the Marlins . And that whole deal that he pulled with the batting title this year when he pulled himself out of the game , cowardly . He should have to his at bats like a pro and let fate decide what happens .
Sucks for the Mets…
I’m happy for the Marlins , i hope Reyes has a great tenure with them , they needed something after those new uniforms…( although i do kinda like the orange one )
Poor Mutts, when the Marlins aren’t snatching a post-season spot from them, they’re snatching their best players.
Also, Fish are crazy if they’re thinking about dealing Nolasco. If they sign BOTH Buehrle AND Wilson, then yes, but they won’t have too deep of a rotation if all they have is JJ, Buehrle/Wilson, Sanchez, others.
Cal did fine with the switch, Hanley should too…
Cal was a true pro . Hanley has shown he has great potential but at times lacks that pro attitude for whatever reason .
Marlins got a ton of potential on offense with Lomo, Stanton, a rebounding Hanley, Sanchez, Coughlan, and now Reyes. This could be the year they come up big if they can add one more above average pitcher.
I like the deal for the Marlins. They had to overpay and did, but they got a really good player. It isn’t as if Jose Reyes cannot earn a good chunk of that contract. The weather will be nice and warm for him, too. That’s better for the legs.
marlins have gained my respect..i admit i thought itd be more likely to see barry bonds come out of retirement then see the fish sign someone
Time to spark up the Hanley trade burner
Something FISHY is going on here.
Hmmmm…now we get to see the unhappy Hanley.
This is going to be fun.
I hope Ozzie puts forth an effort in 2012. He’s an incredible manager when he’s actually motivated to manage. His 2011 performance was pathetic. It was the single worst piece of managing I’ve ever witnessed, but I know he’s capable of better. He blew it on purpose. It was obvious to anybody watching that he wanted out. It’s this same immaturity that makes his Marlins’ employment especially hilarious. Loria is even worse than Ozzie, but the combination of the two is going to end in something epic. Can’t wait.
I hope the Marlins are well-versed on the prospect lists of the big market teams so that next off-season, they know who to target when they trade all these guys away.
Why is it a third round pick? Is their first protected? and even so I thought relievers didnt cost picks anymore…
Yes their pick is protected. Bell was one of the RP that required giving up a pick.
Marlins continue with the most expensive publicity campaign ever…
BTW this Disquis is the biggest pos ever(I know I’m not the first to complain), seriously, I have to log out and log back in everytime I want to post…
My life sucks
Yes, being a Mets fan is awful right now…
All the protest’s going on in the country it’s only a matter of time before Mets fans start a sit in outside the Citi
I would like to know how an average 1000 in attendance per game can get you spending a 106MM deal. for all I know the owner won the lottery. if the marlins can do this why the orioles for example not?
Also I hope they add a clause that states they will change that horrible jersey in those six years.
Reyes should move to third not Ramirez. Hanley is the better player. If I am not mistaken wasn’t it reported or at least rumored that Hanley said he would consider moving to 3rd is the Marlins tried to signed Reyes. Now that they have him Reyes should volunteer to move to third not Ramirez, not that Reyes will make any bit of difference the Phillies are still the team to beat with the exception of Papolbon as their new closer and he knows if he doesn’t live up to all Phillie Phan expectations he will be out of Philly with in 2 and half yrs.
overpaid or not, the marlins needed jose reyes even though they had hanley.. jose reyes is arguably one of the best lead off hitters in baseball: scores runs, steals, hits for average, high OBP., and plays plus defense.. and jose reyes will just make hanley 10x better of a player since he now knows he’s not the only superstar on the marlins meaning he’s going to work just that much harder. PERFECT DEAL
All you mets fans always complain about Omar Minaya, but you guys got SCREWED by Alderson. First of all, because the mets aren’t going to compete for a few years it would be a bad idea to sign reyes. Therefore, there was no reason to keep him. Mets could have gotten an A level prospect and possibly more for reyes.
Now, although the mets couldn’t have known that this would happen, they get a 3RD ROUND PICK. that is nothing.
Also, if the mets were as devoted to reyes as they said they were, they would have topped this offer from the marlins
Ok well the Mets clearly messed up here (not the first time and wont be the last). A third round pick as compensation is ridiculous, they should have been shopping him around last offseason…Their farm isnt great at all and no one there is really notable. The way I see it is they have to go after Darvish, it would bring the asian fans to the park, sort of like Shinjo back in the day. They have a pretty bad rotation too, I think its a good risk to take. Same thing goes with Cespedes. They have Duda in rf and Cespedes seems like a good fit to replace him. Not really sure if they would be willing to spend that much money on both of these guys but they have to do something. New York newspapers are already hinting at Darvish.
That NTC is a giant red flag Loria is up to his old tricks again. Florida will be in the WS very soon, then dismantled very soon after.
“I still like the deal for the Marlins, as Reyes doesn’t have to be amazing or play 162 games a year to be worth $17.67MM annually.”
So it’s totally OK if Reyes is average and plays 125 games a year? I mean he’s only getting paid $17 MILLION. Paying a guy that sort of chump change, one shouldn’t expect high expectations..
For real though, good for Reyes and the Marlins. Best of luck to them.
a great move