Dec 26: Heyman reports that a few teams have “checked in” since the Mets showed concern in the physical. A situation akin to what happened in San Francisco just a week ago does not appear nigh though, as Heyman adds that talks between the Mets and Correa’s camp appear to have been more substantive than what occurred with the Giants in the aftermath of Correa’s physical there.
Dec 24, 2:51pm: According to Jesse Rogers of ESPN, a deal with the Mets is still “likely”, although he reports that the contract could be reworked considering the issue. While it’s not known what a reworked contract would look like, it could include altering the duration or financial guarantee of the contract, or rewording it to alter the amount of guaranteed money Correa makes should he miss a period of time due to the specific leg ailment which is causing concern. Rogers adds that there is not a timetable in place to resolve the matter.
10:56am: Carlos Correa’s physical with the Mets has “raised concerns”, according to a report from Ken Rosenthal and Dan Hayes of The Athletic. Per the report, the concern centers on Correa’s surgically repaired lower right leg. Correa has agreed to a 12-year, $315MM deal with the Mets just days after a 13-year, $350MM deal with the Giants fell through over concerns over the physical.
While it’s jarring to hear given the events of the past week, it’s unclear yet what this means for the status of the deal. Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that the two parties are currently trying to work through the issue.
Mets owner Steve Cohen has already addressed the deal, telling Heyman earlier this week that “we needed one more thing, and this is it”. That’s particularly significant as, per The Athletic’s report, addressing the deal on the record could make it trickier to back out of the agreement, although there’s nothing to suggest that’s what the Mets are looking to do.
It’s been a fascinating turn of events in Correa’s free agency over the past week. Generally, reported agreements pending a physical have become official without a hitch, but Correa’s has now hit a snag on two separate occasions in the space of a week. Further, he’s one of the top free agents this winter and had agreed to deals worth in excess of $300MM. Correa had agreed to a long-term contract with the Giants on December 13, but that fell over on Monday after the Giants reportedly asked for more time to look into the medicals after finding something that gave them pause. However, agent Scott Boras quickly pivoted and went to the Mets, who quickly agreed to their own long-term deal for $35MM less than the original Giants agreement.
Boras sought to re-engage with the Twins as well after the Giants deal fell through. Per The Athletic’s report, they’d offered him a ten-year, $285MM deal but would have put a greater emphasis on a physical before that deal than the deal he signed with Minnesota earlier in 2022, given the long-term nature of the proposal. The report also adds that after Correa became available again, the Twins were unwilling to alter their initial proposal, and would have wanted to investigate the issues raised in the player’s physical with the Giants.
The Giants have been quiet on the matter. HIPAA laws restrict them from disclosing clear answers about the precise nature of the injury, but president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi did offer a statement: “While we are prohibited from disclosing confidential medical information, as Scott Boras stated publicly, there was a difference of opinion over the results of Carlos’ physical examination. We wish Carlos the best.”
The Correa camp has denied any cause for concern. Prior to undertaking his physical with the Mets, Boras said “there is nothing with him that is currently any sort of medical issue,” via Anthony DiComo of MLB.com. He also added that the Giants were trying to use a “crystal ball” to try and predict Correa’s long term health (via Laura Albanese of Newsday).
Various reports have mentioned Correa’s right leg as the source of concern for both the Giants and Mets. Back in 2014, a teenage Correa fractured his right fibula and sustained minor ligament damage while playing in High-A in the Astros organization. That injury required arthroscopic surgery to repair. Correa has missed time for thumb, back and rib issues in the big leagues, but the right leg has never sent him to the injured list in his eight big league seasons.
It is worth remembering that only a few years ago the Mets did pull out of a deal with a player. In 2021, they drafted Kumar Rocker 10th overall and agreed to a $6MM signing bonus, before abandoning the deal after growing concerned by something they saw in the physical. Of course, backing out of a $6MM deal for draft pick and a $315MM contract for an All-Star are two different things, and Cohen’s comments certainly give confidence that a deal can still go through in some form.
It’s the latest twist in what has been a tumultuous time for Correa on the open market. He was the top free agent after departing the Astros last year, but after the long-term deal he sought didn’t eventuate he took a three-year, opt-out laden, $105.1MM deal with the Twins. After earning $35.1MM last season and putting up another strong season he opted out and hit the open market for the second-straight winter. The long-term mega deal he’d been seeking looked to have finally come to fruition when it was reported the Giants had agreed to a 13-year, $350MM pact. That deal fell through, but Correa was able to quickly land a $300MM+ deal with the Mets. While there’s every chance a deal with New York still goes through, there’s at least some doubt now hanging over it.
Uh oh
And heeeere we go!
So maybe all of you fellas who posted nasty things about the Giants and Farhan, regarding their issue with CC’s physical, should quietly celebrate Christmas alone! 🙂
Any time a team avoids a 10 year deal for any player even if they’re 20 they’ve done something smart. Unless it has a out for the team if the player gets a major injury which we know can’t be put into a contract.
Makes you wonder about the Twins. They signed him last year, so they have a physical in hand that would have shown whatever from 2014 that the Giants and Mets are seeing, yet they supposedly have a 10 year $285 M contract on the table for Correa. So, either the Twins don’t think it’s an issue or the Twins need new doctors to do their reviews of physicals
The only problem with what SF did was to prematurely schedule a press conference for Correa’s signing. If they hadn’t done that, they wouldn’t be catching nearly as much grief.
Nah, but if there was concern why didn’t the Twins have it last year?
giantsphan – I think I know what may be going on here …
Anybody remember former AL Batting Champ Carney Lansford?
Like Correa, he had suffered a severe leg injury.
The injury resulted in one leg being longer than the other.
Which created back problems.
Sound familiar?
I will reach out to Correa’s tailor for confirmation.
The Twins weren’t doing a 10+ year deal so the physical wasn’t as imperative
It’s both teams trying to drive his price down via old injuries… The money game goes both ways.
@jake1972 the twins probably weren’t as concerned because it was a 3 year deal with opt outs, i think most teams would of made that deal concerning the leg issue, but a 10+ year deal i’m sure most teams are going to be concerned. yea it’s fine now but what problems are going to come up when he hits his mid 30’s
Lol what? You want anyone that criticized the Giants to… spend Christmas alone? Wtf?
Why? Farhan was dumb to have signed him to that contract anyways. He got lucky.
I believe after this development Carlos best option is to take a five year deal if offered with a high payment because after failing two physicals he isn’t going to find someone willing to hand him a ten plus year deal.
The twins had him on a 3 year deal with opt outs. These current offers for correa are career long obviously. The injury in question was him sliding into third as a 19 year old where he suffered some sort of minor ligament damage? Im assuming the Mets and Giants team doctors are worried about that ligament damage affecting his long term outlook? Strange thing is he’s never had any issues with it since.
@BuddyBoy per reports including the one about the Giants backing out, this year they have a 10 year 286M deal on the table for him
I think what they look for on a short term deal may be different than what you look for in a long term deal. If the drs tell you he will lose a step because of this every other year, a short term deal is ok, but 8 years down the road may be bad. He would have had to do another physical before signing the twins offer, and their drs may have pointed out the same thing.
and a fractured fibula. CC has reported that he himself was very worried about it after a hard slide in 2B. He was not sure if he had aggravated it
If you followed the Twins in 2022, then you’d vote for, “the Twins need new doctors to do their reviews of physicals.”
CC refers to CC Sabathia. Call him Carlos Korea (probably Jon Heyman)
@BuddyBoy – the physical “wasn’t as imperative?”
They may have had various AAV based off of contract length, but still $250M+ is not something to piss into the wind and ignore physicals.. The money was not as large as either SF or NY but that doesn’t mean doing your due diligence on health history isn’t important.
It also sounds like a physical isn’t done for any team until the money fits both parties.
@wampum
I think what you’re missing is that the Twins weren’t giving him any kind of super-thorough going over – a full battery of stress-testing, scanning, etc. – at of the end of 2022 season.
They too would have required an updated, VERY complete physical (just like the Giants and Mets did) if they had come to an ALL-NEW agreement that was to be guaranteed for the next decade – before actually signing anything.
@Wampum, it could also be that the Mets doctors were hyper focused on this prior injury because the Giants doctors had an issue. A second possibility is the leg deteriorated some in the prior year since the Twins last physical. Remember, the Astros had a interest in signing him to a long-term deal before he went to the Twins, just not at the dollar levels. They know his medicals, year in and year out, better than anyone, from point of injury forward, and they also weren’t concerned. That could indicate something has changed, something the Twins wouldn’t pick up on until he had to take a physical again if they were to sign him to a 10-year deal.
Perhaps completely unrelated, but his defensive stats by some of the so-called advanced metrics took a hit in 2022. Maybe that’s simply random noise, or maybe he was dealing with decreased lateral movement, which could be expected if his leg is indeed an issue.
Twins are suckers. They’re lucky to be done with the cheater.
Cohen clearly couldn’t care less about driving down the price
1 year versus 12 makes a difference
That’s standard procedure in the MLB.. They caught grief because too many know-it-alls wanted to blame Farhan and the organization. In fact, many media outlets claimed Correa chose the Mets over the Giants when the Giants were right all along.
Sorry if anyone here hurt your feelings.
Sabathia is no longer relevant or current to MLB rosters.
Ya cuz the Mets are really being frugal this year.
Or the Twins were fine with three years being the maximum.
Interesting how Boras is willing to give the Mets more time, now that its the 2nd failed physical, but wasn’t willing to give SFG more time. Hopefully his contract will end up with team opt outs instead of player opt outs.
Nothing an insurance policy for the salary couldn’t fix. Wright, then Cespedes. Make Boras pay for it. Your client stays healthy, he keeps the money and you keep your commission. He goes does in year 2 or 3 or 5, well, we are all covered.
They’re concerned about debilitating, progressive arthritis, which can follow from this kind of fracture.
Could well be why the Astros offered only 5/160m.
That was frank zappa in dancin fool.
Cue the Red Sox sale deal.
Long term and he’s injured.
If players and agents expect long term deals, mlb teams due diligence. You’d do this on a house sale.
Twins limit innings for all players. 100 games for a lame SS is no biggie.
Twins’ doctors and physical trainers haven’t exactly got a stellar record of success.
You can’t ensure against poor performance, typically, only against a player missing 60 or more consecutive days. If Correa’s healthy enough to take the field but is lousy by 2026, the Mets are stuck,.
I think both teams considering the length without opt outs was the concern if something they are for warning maybe an issue after X amount of years – both teams do not want money wasted.
he cares about the product being paid off the field and not producing
Stan relax you act like he got pitches in advance through some sort of system involving the banging of a trash can by some slug of a human in order to relay pitches. Next you’re going to claim that Jose Altuve uses some sort of electronic shock device hidden under his jersey in order to receive pitches in advance.
This is a bad look for Prince Boras. Why didn’t he “try and work through the issue” with the Giants? He’s handled this high profile, huge dollar deal like a used car salesman.
Stymee, the Giants had a week between agreement and then backing out of the deal AFTER they had scheduled the press conference to announce the deal. The Mets have had what, two days? The Mets have yet to back out of the deal as the Giants did on their end.
They were warranted. The Giants are a failing franchise under Zaidi. Agreeing to a deal of that size and then taking a week to get a physical is a symptom of the dysfunction in the organization. Like the Mets did, you get that done the next day.
The Giants MLB team is mediocre, destined to finish far out of the playoffs and is filled withing aging and oft-injured players.
Their farm system, ranked 18-22, is mediocre too and has nothing of note at the top with just 2 top 100 prospects. Other than the Emeralds in the A+ NW League, their minor league teams finished near the bottom of their leagues. Their top prospect played for that Emeralds team and put-up mediocre numbers.
After 5 years Zaidi has created no direction for the team and the only area of consistency is his continually shuffling in rehab and reclamation projects on short term deals.
Posey is gone and with him went the winning attitude. Replaced by an attitude of “if I play decently for a year, I can get the heck out of here”.
If I was a Giants fan, I would not be happy right now. I would be calling for someone’s head, Why aren’t you?
They also offered him a 10 year $285 million deal this offseason. A deal with the highest AAV of the 3 teams closely associated with Correa.
Lots of problems with what they did. The biggest problem was waiting a week to even start looking at the medical records or schedule a physical. Teams that have their act together do that the day they come to an agreement.
@giantsphan, all those people posting nasty things about the Giants and Farhan were Giants fans! 🙂
The Twins offered 10 years and $285 million this offseason having already done a physical the previous year and having all his medical records.
A physical is always an imperative. Even for that guy the team signed to a minor league deal. It is never bypassed. Not even for guys that were on your team last season.
They knew they were were essentially signing him for a one year deal. Outrageous annual amount but huge difference in odds of it causing problems in a 1 vs 11-13 year deal.
lol
The Twins offered Correa a 10-year $285 million contract. They had his medical records, did their own physical last offseason, and knew about the injury. They just were not concerned,
twins offered 10 yrs 285 mil this off season though
Can’t find anywhere he said that. Do you have a link?
Giants were given I believe a week after the physical. plenty of time
exactly
Goob, that is complete BS. The Twins examined his medical records and gave Correa a full physical that included everything you just spoke of plus more pictures of the inside of his body than you would want to sit for before he signed with them last year.
He passed with flying colors, or they would not have committed $105 million to him and the largest AAV in history for an infielder. They would not have committed $5 million dollars to him without a thorough physical.
THEN they offered him the largest AAV of any team over a 10-year contract this offseason.
Thinking the same thing Jack. 4-6 years from now and it’s a major problem. I don’t know the in’s and out’s of these sports insurance policies but I have to think for the money involved, full disclosure is imperative.
It feels like Boras was trying to pull a “fast one” with an overly enthusiastic Met’s owner in the wings.
Nope
Or the Twins know they aren’t a seen as a typical free-agent destination and have to over pay and take a risk. It’s not like they just did that 2 or 3 years ago with Josh Donaldson who also has a career long history of lower leg injuries.
Agree Jack. I would think the results of a physical must be attached to the Ts and Cs of contract insurance policies.
“Nothing an insurance policy for the salary couldn’t fix.”
You don’t have any clue what you’re talking about, do you? An insurance company wouldn’t touch that contract for any kind of reasonable amount of money, especially now that two different teams of medical professionals have raised concerns. It would probably cost dang near the total contract value to ensure that contract.
Very few contracts are insured these days and those that are insured are super expensive.
Right, but you had people still getting upset about Bert Campaneris being referred to as “Campy”, 20 years after Roy Campanella became confined to a wheelchair.
Some folks just can’t let go.
2022 for the Twins health wise could only be described as a train wreck….. at best. I agree the docs and trainers need to lift there game, or be replaced
He wants others to know what he feels every Christmas.
@ELV- Insurers generally won’t 100% insure specific contracts.
Insurance is a matter of pooling risk, so the team would probably be afforded 60% or 75% coverage on say 5 large contracts to spread the risk around. Plus I would imagine insurance company physicals are at least as comprehensive as the Giants’ or Mets’. That would either exclude Correa from being Insurable or the existing coondition would be excluded from coverage as pre-existing.
It’s not as simple as calling Jake from Statw Farm with tne player’s height, weight and SSN.
Jake1972: The Twins “probably” didn’t look to extensively at the physical knowing that they only had (3) consecutive 1 yr deals that weren’t going to happen as long as he produced strong #’s.
should quietly celebrate Christmas alone!
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Those people are idiots and/or trolls.
There were posters saying he wasn’t injured. Some of these posters are so delusional that they think they know if a guy is injured without seeing the medicals and without being doctors.
ah, but if there was concern why didn’t the Twins have it last year?
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Don’t make the mistake of thinking you are a doctor. As I explained yesterday, there is a huge difference between a 3-year contract and a 13-year contract.
AvidAstrosFan2 hours ago
It’s both teams trying to drive his price down via old injuries… The money game goes both ways.
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Stupid comment.
They caught grief because too many know-it-alls wanted to blame Farhan
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I assume you misspelled “know nothings”.
You do realize that the body changes year to year right?
Geez
Allen Adams: Does “Straw” only refer to Daryl Strawberry or can that be used for Myles Straw as well. It is his last name after all.
Standard procedure is to start looking over the medical records on the day you sign the agreement and schedule the physical for the next day.
The Giants didn’t schedule Correa’s physical until a full week after they came to an agreement with him,
Once a player agrees to terms with a team, they cannot back out unless the team does not execute the agreement. Correa was locked in. He chose the Giants.
NOW he is happy to be going to the Mets to play with his best friend, but until the Giants backed out of the agreement, he was a Giant.
Then why did they offer Correa 10/285?
Boras has not given the Mets more time. They had the standard 72 hours and still have 24 hours left. Unlike the Giants, they scheduled a physical for the very next day.
The Giants had a highly unusual week to do all their homework and like some people, they put it off until the last minute.
Twins fans clearly rooted for him and wanted him back.
Boras cannot pay for an insurance policy. The player can’t either. Only the team cutting the checks can.
@wampum
Per the article: “…they’d offered him a ten-year, $285MM deal but would have put a greater emphasis on a physical before that deal than the deal he signed with Minnesota earlier in 2022, given the long-term nature of the proposal.”
I like it!
Actually this article stated that if Correa did sign the 10 year Twins deal it would’ve focused even more on the physical before that agreement was finalized.
3 years vs 12, I’d say
This is good news for the Giants. The criticism of them may not have been justified. They now look competent as an organization.
im not a giants fan .however i wish the team i root for, could have won 3 championships in the last ten years. heck at this point, i would take 1 in the last 10 years.
ok,they cant call jake at state farm.but cant they call the general or geico?
Or the Straw that stirs the drink = Mr. October.
Maybe it’s connected to the length of contract. The ankle may not have been a concern over three years max contract but was over 13 years.
Maybe, maybe not. Reports circulated that the Twins offered a variety of deals to Correa ranging between 6 and 10 years in length.
because it was essentially a 1 year deal, not 10+ years. when you get old weird things happen to your body, old injuries become problems.
probably not the price, but the length of the deal
I mean, to be fair, the Giant’s concerns happened the day of the intro press conference, aka the last day. I’m sure the Mets were given a full week to get everything squared away so they probably have more time.
Plenty medical advancements in treating fractures since Landsford played and each injury is different. Unless Correa shattered his fibula, it’s highly unlikely he lost leg length. or the surgeon didn’t make sure both legs were same length during repair expecially for highly touted professional athlete.
AvidAstrosFan,
Highly doubtful. The Player’s Association would be speaking up if such a thing was occurring. Obviously he has a noticeable medical issue that could impact him down the road. No one’s making that up.
Giantsphan12, I was one of the posters who pulled on against the Giants front office. It looks like they did a really good job kicking the tires and decided that was one used car that wasn’t worth the investment.
I’m a strong believer that when they’re is a lot of smoke there is an underlying fire.
I’m sure there are some within the organization that they should of just upped the offer on Judge, but I think the Yankees would of matched any offer.
@neurogame –
I think you’re confusing the 2021 deal that Correa signed with the Twins – 3 years with first year opt opt – vs. the 10-year deal they’ve offered this offseason.
At least the Mets waited until after the physical to publicly declare a press conference date. They didn’t wait until Correa and his family were in a hotel in town, 3 hours before the press conference. The Mets are being much more professional. As for your nasty attitude and bad wishes towards anyone with a different opinion than yourself, grow up.
The Giants didn’t contact Boras after they expressed concerns.
You can be darn sure the Mets followed up with Boras.
But it’s also likely Correa prefers signing with the Mets and capitalized on the opportunity.
Insurance company may not want to insure that.
Sounds like the Giants and the Mets are concerned with how Correa will age with the leg injuries he incurred as a teen.
BORIS: “there is nothing with him that is currently any sort of medical issue,” via Anthony DiComo of MLB.com. He also added that the Giants were trying to use a “crystal ball” to try and predict Correa’s long term health.
None of us know what kind of fracture this was, where it was on his fibula and whether it was sustained near the knee or ankle to later incur joint related.arthritis.
@stumeedone Boras does not have much of a choice. Cohen us the big fish in the owners’ pond, if Cohen does not sign in what team will?
Per The Athletic’s report, they’d offered him a ten-year, $285MM deal but would have put a greater emphasis on a physical before that deal than the deal he signed with Minnesota earlier in 2022, given the long-term nature of the proposal.
@firefarhan
That’s an interesting proclamation for someone with a username with a nasty attitude and bad wishes towards another person that you don’t seem to agree with.
According to the update, “the contract could be reworked considering the issue.”
I would guess the Giants are now wondering where that option was for them. If MLB has any nads at all, they’ve gotta take a closer look at this when the dust clears.
Yes Joe, it was completely irresponsible and unprofessional, on the part of the Giants current front office
#FireFarhan so now that you were obviously incorrect about the Giants not putting a rubber stamp on a long term contract for an injured player….youve turned your anger to the fact that Correa and his family had to spend a night in the Four Seasons in San Francisco.
Ahh the humanity!!!
The Twins last year didn’t mind so much because of the length of contract. They were willing to gamble on a couple years. I’m confused about the 10 year offer….I think Boras should add a buyout escape clause for teams so they will feel better. Like if Correa misses a significant part of a season because of the injury the team only owes him 50 cents on the dollar of the remaining portion of the contract or something….
Carney Lansford there’s a blast from the past. He played a couple of seasons in Boston if I’m not mistaken
stymeedone Boras did give the Giants more time. Then they just ghosted him.
Yes. Correa should be treated like royalty!
It’s not like he ever cheated the game! X
He did admit wrongdoing and admit it right away! X
Then he never defiantly played the victim as some odd team chemistry rallying cry. X
How dare they put him and his family up in the Four Seasons for a night!
Oakland too I believe
The most logical explanation is that the issue with his lower leg that is raising flags this year wasn’t as bad or a cause for concern last year. It’s very likely that they’re seeing a small tear or inflammation that could lead to a serious ankle or achilles injury.
@Iver, they can’t directly put an out for injury. However they can tie options to games played and indirectly insulate themselves from injury. Will b interesting to see how contract changes if he ends up signing with Mets.
In 8 seasons he has played over 130 games only 3 times. You are assuming he has not had an issue since. With the amount if time he has missed in his career there’s a very good chance that he has missed time to the injury in question or he has had issues indirectly tied to the injury from favoring the other leg.
Insurance will not cover an existing condition like that without serious deductibles and number of games lost.
Both Wright’s and Cespedes’ injuries happened during the contract and therefore not preexisting
You are wrong about this – many contracts have an insured component – typically at the players expense. It is rarely made public, but happens all the time. You are correct that it won’t be cheap but if they insured say the last 5 years – it would be manageable.
@websoul
No they don’t. There’s typically a lag between the time a deal is worked out and becomes public, and the time the team announces the deal officially after player passes physical. Agents work out deals with the team. The players could be anywhere in the world while that happens.
The Twins were giving him a 1-3 year contract while he was young. Of course they weren’t concerned about something that hasn’t cost him time in 8 years. But if it’s something that could turn a future injury to that spot into a career ender, or cause problems there or elsewhere in his body with age, it’s a lot more concerning if you’re signing the player for 12 or 13 years into his 40s.
Astros2017etal- no, you sort of mischaracterize correas reported injury at the time.
He had a fracture of the fibula bad enough to require surgical intervention, with ligament damage.
Back in the Giants thread I offered a bit of my medical history up. I won’t go crazy in depth, but, I’m currently recovering in month 6 of 12+ to be full strength. In my case it was a compound avulsion fracture of fibula, grade 3 sprain of ankle, and some connected issues with the tendon running to the parineal, and, runs into the left side of the foot. So I’m ahead of the curve according to ortho. But it’s not a simple thing like a jammed finger joint.
In correas case his cleats got stuck and it torqued everything inside doing damage. He had surgery to fix it.
One other thing about the human body, things change inside after injury and at first they don’t bother you. Over time, they start. And, you can be mostly asymptomatic until something else happens and BAM! You’re worse off then a personwith no injury history would’ve been.
Last bit i will leave with on that note is posey had a similar injury. He said he was in deep pain every day near the end at his early retirement around age 34/5. Correa is going for contracts 5 years beyond that.
It’s not a simple thing.
If it is a Lansford-like situation, and Correa is so convinced that it’s not a problem, then he should be willing to do a John Lackey deal: give them year #7 at the minimum if he ends up on the 60-day at any point in years 1-6 with the preexisting condition, and let the Mets have a team option instead if it happens twice in the first six years.
@websoulsurfer –
Your belief that a physical happens right away after a deal is agreed upon, is just not accurate. There’s typically a lag between the time an agreement is reached and becomes public vs. when deal becomes official after passing a physical. Agents work out deals. Players could be anywhere in the world during the offseason, including on vacation with their families.
Physicals also have to be scheduled with the appropriate physicians and testing/hospital facilities, and then results read and interpreted by radiologists and team physicians in report form. Can’t just snap fingers and consummate an agreement 1-2-3. It’s a multi-step process.
@ForeverGiantsFan,
It wasn’t Giants incompetence. They saw what they saw and had concerns. I doubt the Mets thought Correa would pass his physical with flying colors. It’s just that according to Boras the Giants didn’t engage with Boras after those medical issues cropped up. Boras gave them 12 hours and then pivoted to others. Based on reports, the Mets continue to engage with Boras wanting to work out deal.but restructure some matters.
A thumbs up. And on Christmas Eve the Wtf stands for
What the festivus?
Right?
Happy Holidays everyone.
Um, and contracts have been voided due to physical concern how many times? Monday morning quarterback much?
105m contract and it wasn’t as imperative? Got it.
The Giants didn’t offer a reduced contract, so there goes that theory. How many teams do you think would be able to attract free agents if they had a reputation for offering smaller contracts after physicals?
Because you know the details of his condition and are a medical doctor and agent?
Because you were there and knew exactly what happened?
Because you trust and have access to other teams records? I’m sure with your extensive mlb front office experience you know exactly how long these take and what the process is.
I didn’t say annything nasty, but I’ll be celebrating christmas alone….
Yeah, wasting at least 35m is really no big deal
Its not about the time from the agreement. Its about the time from him taking the physical. Seems the Giants got 48 hours, just like the Mets. Giants asked for more time but Boras was shopping immediately. Maybe he should have listened. Now that the Mets saw the same thing, everyone knows he’s peddling damaged goods, so he suddenly has a different perspective.
The player is the one that has to come in to take the physical. That’s on Correa.
What if Correa was not available until he showed up to take it?
Giants asked for more time but Boras wouldn’t give it.
Didn’t Boras and the Giants agree upon a grace period to have the physical done and signed off? There was a whole week. If the giants still weren’t 100% positive they wanted that previously agreed upon deal, that looks even worse if Boras would try to bully or nag them into signing the contract. Boras did what was most important for his client because he should have him in his best interest. At this point I’d bet Scott Boras is not at all thrilled about the situation he’s in and is navigating it the best he can to save face for not only Correa’s situation but also for how this might effect big contracts/deals going forward.
Thank you. Was going to say the same thing.
3 times the risk + on the Giants deal. We don’t know the language in the contract that the Twins and Correa had either. Might have had clauses dealing with an injury coming from the old surgery. Correa was betting on himself with a shorter term deal with opt outs so if he remained healthy and produced, the Twins knew Correa would opt out.
What were the conditions of the contract? Did the Twins want language protecting them from a reoccurrence of the old leg injury and Correa and Boras decline? Very possible and a good decision by Correa as it looks like he will gain 30 million as a result even with the same type of provisions protecting the Mets in case of a reoccurrence.
They signed him to a much shorter deal.
@disadvantage I’ve been One of Farhan’s biggest supporters, for years. I’ve been a passionate fan of the Giants for decades however. I feel he’s killed the winning culture in SF.
#DogDays2 I’ve been done with flailing, failing Farhan, since September, really. That’s when I realized he’s killed our winning culture from the last decade. I was sitting in a seat at Oracle Park, when I fully realized it. Anyway, how about that rubber stamp on a player too injured to play at all this year?
Insurers cover future injuries. No insurance would cover the injury in question without some ridiculous premium that would make the policy not even worth it.
Exactly right.
@Longtime, medical advancements for fractures since Lansford’s injury have primarily been helping fractures heal quicker. Other than that fractures require the bone to be set if necessary and healing over time. Bone healing overall is pretty rudimentary. Itis something are bodies have evolved to do and not something technology has been able to skip.
I agree with you concerning calling a press conference prematurely. Mets have handled it the right way.
I think the Giants would. Boros didn’t give them a chance to negotiate, he went to the Mets. Didn’t want anything to do with renegotiating when it was the Giants but now after two teams have flagged physical he has changed his tune.
They asked for more time to get a second opinion on the physical. Boros gave them 6 hours. Boros panicked. The ghosting claim is from Boros. He also said the injury was decades ago.
Carney! We’re friends with the family. He’s a local guy as well.
So Correa was available for a physical the entire time after they came to an agreement? I believe the Doctor would do X-rays etc and not rely on records made available by the agent only as a baseline.
@ Robson My thoughts exactly. Boras said that the Giants had a week to sort it out. The Mets apparently don’t have a timetable
Much like Willie Mays and Bobby Thomson and the rest of the ’51 Giants getting signs from a telescope in the center field clubhouse at the Polo Grounds. The person viewing the signs would relay them to the 3rd base coach or to manager Leo Durocher, who often coached 3rd, through a buzzer installed in the ground beside the 3rd base coaching box. So this stuff has been going on throughout baseball history, and it’s just part of the game. But Stan and Mystery Team and countless other jealous fans of other teams can only focus on the Astros. Like they were the only team engaged in these shenanigans, lol.
An insurance company would certainly cover that contract if the Mets approached them to do so. They would charge a larger premium than they would for a player with no history of any injury. They would base that premium on what their doctors say, not what the Mets doctors say,
Almost all contracts are insured to some degree. The larger the contract, the surer you can be that the team is paying for insurance
There is no difference in the type of physical given for a $5 million or $105 million or $350 million contract. It is exactly the same. You don’t have to be a doctor to know that.
The Twins as a franchise would be impacted to a greater degree by Correa being injured and not able to play for a season during his $105 million deal as SF would be if he missed a year out of 13 in that $350 million deal.
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That is not what the article said. The article said that AFTER the Giants backed out and Boras contacted them again, the Twins said they would not increase their offer and would want to explore why the Giants backed out before agreeing to the 10/285 now.
When they originally made the offer, they didn’t say any of that.
The criticism of the Giants was justified. They were given an unusually long time to vet Correa’s medical records and get a physical done and waited a week to schedule a physical and scheduled a press conference to announce the signing prior to him coming in for that physical. The level of incompetence is staggering.
Mets were given 72 hours. The standard length of time on FA deals.
If you can’t spell his name when it’s quoted in the article, there is absolutely no reason to believe you know WTH you are talking about
Padres on a deal very similar to the one the Twins did last season.
Surly, that is not what the article said. It said that when contacted after the Giants pulled out that the Twins would have to look further into the Giants reasoning before going forward with that 10/285 offer.
The most likely outcome at this time is that the Mets receive an opt out if Correa misses significant time due to an injury directly related to that break in his fibula. Similar to JD Martinez’s contract with the Red Sox. In that case its likely that Correa would receive corresponding opt outs of his own.
MLB has little say in this other than to fine the Giants for calling the press conference to announce the signing prior to having done a physical.
The MLBPA could file a grievance if Correa is not signed by the Mets. Nothing they can say about what the Giants did.
Tigers, yes they can. Look at JD Martinez’s contract with the Red Sox. There were clauses in that deal that protected the Red Sox if Martinez suffered very specific lisfranc injuries.
The Mets could ask for the same type of clause from Correa.
Players are forbidden in the CBA from getting insurance that covers their contract since they are not the one paying the salary, the team is.
Ok, websoulsurfer
I was just quoting MLBTR, forgot to place quotes and name the author.
Not sure what you are saying Longtime.
Teams are typically given 72 hours to go over medical records, get a physical done, and execute a contract after a letter of agreement is filed with the league.
The deal is not official until MLB gets the signed contract and okays it.
Yes, players can be anywhere in the world while that process is happening, and it is still the team’s responsibility to make sure they get the physical done in a timely manner. If the player is on a honeymoon or vacation that would make it impossible to get that physical done in a timely manner, that is also the team’s responsibility to know that and ask for an extension or not submit the letter of agreement to the league.
Neither of those were the case with Correa.
Posey retired because he made $800 million from the sale of BodyArmor Sport Drink to CocaCola. He had already taken 2020 off and saw no reason to continue to put his body through the rigors that come with being a catcher.
Longtime, Its absolutely accurate. Teams are typically given 72 hours from the time the letter of agreement is submitted to the league office to execute the contract. Even in large deals.
Like the Mets, most teams have that physical done the very next day. Teams have doctors on staff who are orthopedic surgeons and yes, they can just snap their fingers and get the physical done because they all have agreements in place for that very thing.
If a player is on vacation or in another country, then the team doesn’t submit the letter of agreement or asks the agent for an extension of the time frame to execute the contract that will give them time to get the physical. Neither of those were the case with Correa.
The Giants scheduled the press conference to announce Correa’s signing before the physical had taken place. That physical happened 1 week after the agreement was in place. Inexcusable for the Giants FO to do that.
Not the signed contract, the letter of agreement that had been filed with the league.
It was the Giants incompetence. They had a longer than normal time frame to look over the medical reports that were given to them the day they submitted the letter of agreement to the league and to get a physical done.
They scheduled a press conference to announce his signing before they had Correa do a physical. What is that if not total and complete incompetence.
The Giants had 1 week from the time the letter of agreement was filed with the league on 12/13. They did the physical on Monday 12/19 and asked Boras for more time on Tuesday 12/20. They already had a press conference scheduled for Tuesday 12/20 to announce his signing.
What is that if not total incompetence on the part of the Giants.
Stymeed, that is not the case. It is 100% the responsibility of the team to make sure they can get their due diligence done in the time frame they ask for.
When the Giants took a week to get the physical done after they agreed to a one-week time frame, they failed to do their job. Players don’t schedule the physical, teams do, and players are required to make themselves available for it in a timely manner.
Notice that the Mets got it done the day after they filed the letter of agreement and Correa showed up. The Giants could have done so as well.
The Giants asked for more time after the 7-day window to execute the contract expired. When Boras asked how much time, the Giants never responded.
Boras did what any agent would have done. He made sure his client had a deal with another team.
Boras did give the Giants a chance to negotiate. They didn’t respond to him for 12 hours after cancelling a press conference that was supposed to announce the player’s signing. That is an eternity in this type of negotiation.
Late Tuesday afternoon, after the Giants had not responded, Boras moved on to other teams. He did his job. He doesn’t have to save face. The Giants do.
Boras has not changed his tune one bit. He has consistently said the same things. The Mets 72 hours expires tomorrow, and they have been continually in contact with Boras. The Giants should have done the same.
Boras. Not Boros.
The Giants had 7 days to get their due diligence done. More than twice as long as teams typically get. That is 100% on them that they failed to do so. Boras is not responsible for their incompetence. Zaidi is.
12 hours after they contacted Boras to ask him for more time, the Giants had not gotten back to him with the extension they needed. 20 minutes should not have gone by without the Giants contacting him back. That is when Boras started reaching out to the Mets and Twins.
He never said the injury was decades ago. He said that medical records go back decades, and they often do. People on HERE said that the injury was decades ago and tried to attribute that to Boras even though there was exact quote in the article that said otherwise. Reading comprehension is difficult for some.
Medical records are not made available by the agent. They come from MLB. Teams are required to submit every injury, illness, test, and treatment to MLB.
Once a letter of agreement is submitted to MLB, they release those records to the team. The agent has no part in that process.
Teams absolutely do their own physicals. The Giants had a week to do that and waited until the day before they had a press conference scheduled to announce the signing of the contract. That is inexcusable and shows the level of incompetence in the Giants FO.
The Mets have 72 hours from the time they submitted the letter of agreement to the MLB offices. That is why Correa’s physical was done the very next day. The Mets FO is on the ball.
@rondon, it’s Boras. Goes without saying. (Yet I had to say it.)
If the concern is with durability it makes perfect sense
The City of Oakland wouldn’t have a 4 Seasons. Much less a Hilton or Hyatt. The guests would be mugged as soon as they entered the hotel
LOL. Beat me to it. Reading some of the responses to your post, I have to say you nailed them and they know it. Cheers.
Because the twinkies signed him for 4 years with an opt out after each year? the giants and mets both made commitments of over a decade with no opt outs and a full no trade clause
Loretta
Possibly a “Four Seasons Total Landscaping,” though…
Your on to one of the causes that the Giants and Mets have about Correa. The other is simply buyers remorse. The overpayment of an above average shortstop for 12 years. I believe the original Mets contract will be modified to include some out if the leg causes him to miss time.
Both teams had 48 hours after the physical. They have to wait for Correa to appear, and take the physical. The difference is Boras is willing to give the Mets more time, but refused to with the Giants. He was forced to change his stance now that every team knows he’s peddling damaged goods.
The Twins were looking to make a splash last year and only had a 3 year deal with him, so this possible future injury risk would not have made any difference to them. They noticeably reduced the AAV on their offer to retain him this year. Twins knew he would not accept it, but likely made the offer so they could say they made an effort to keep him.
Correa’s back issue stems from an injury he sustained while swinging the bat.
@calgoldenbears That is the moist ignorant comment I seen here in a long time. i am guessing you are about 90 and watch far right news.
The Astros have a policy of not offering longer than 5 year deals. Even Altuve, Alvarez and Bregman only got 5 year extensions.. The last Astro that got more than 5 was Carlos Lee.
And yet both teams were willing to waste it….
The Altuve “buzzer” has been debunked both independently and by MLB. Try and keep up.
The players are insuring their earning power, not the contract. It’s like singers that insure their vocal chords.
You are incorrect. They had his medical reports but the actual physical was conducted the day before the scheduled press conference. Correa took his time getting to SF, probably hoping that something would break so he could go to his preferred landing place, New York. Jon Heyman reported that Boras’ first meeting regarding other teams was with the Yankees, per Correa’s request. And you can be sure that Correa’s “camp” knew all about what the new physicals revealed: he’s damaged goods.
EBJ, you are incorrect. At best you’ve constructed a storyline to fit your preferred fan narrative. The team’s obligation is to conduct an extensive medical exam to determine if they want to sign Correa to a longterm contract. The Giants backed out negating the agreement. Boras’ obligation is to get the best deal for his client. You’ve created a story where Boras knew he was damaged goods, delayed his arrival to take his medical, then was negotiating with other teams while he had agreement with the Giants, etc. I also haven’t seen anything from Heyman on Twitter about Boras meeting with the Yankees, and it wasn’t mentioned in Heyman’s last few articles either. I’m not doubting it if you say it’s true, but also not sure if it even matters. Boras was in NYC for Judge’s press conference on Wednesday morning, so the two certainly could have met late Tuesday after the Giants backed out of the agreement.
Boras is the best in the business at getting the highest deals for his clients. Teams know that. Fans hate him for doing his job.
Yeah think on all those things Conan and Andy could not have thought of…in the Year 2000….in the year 2000
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I’d be shocked, (SHOCKED!) if this Altuve dude was doing as you say. Such a shy boy. Afraid to ever take his jersey off
More likely to get mugged in Fresno than Oakland.
Stymeed, that is not correct. Teams have a specified time from when they submit the letter of agreement to the league to execute the contract. Typically, that is 72 hours as it was for the Mets. The Giants asked for and received 1 week.
The Giants didn’t ask for more time until after the week was over. Boras never refused that request. He never heard back from the Giants about how much more time they wanted.
Boras never changed his stance. Neither have you even though many have pointed out that you have the facts wrong.
Players can only do that outside of a contract. They cannot insure the contract itself. Only a team can.
Farhan and the organizatio? The ones who brought us Harper, Machado, Ohtani, Suzuki, Soto, Senga and Judge? Oh wait…
Interesting point inferred from a previous article, the Mets appear to be more (but not entirely) legally obliged to make a deal work after the Giants concerns torpedoed the previous deal. I wonder how many years they need to offer Correa to demonstrate a genuine attempt to sign him, already knowing the previous injury concerns.
Correa’s involvement in Astros “cheating scandal” might be an omen for his baseball future.
not many teams want to play a guy at 35 million + then get middling offensive results. he’s slightly above amed rosario, offensively, jeremy peña over correa.. houston, cleveland, tampa, etc say otherwise.
web – That makes no sense. Disability insurance can be purchased by any worker at any job to cover income loss if you’re unable to work due to health issues. Aflac and Mutual of Omaha are just two insurers that offer it.
So if the Mets have an escape clause based on a precondition, Correa should be able to purchase insurance on his own to cover the activation of such an escape clause.
Twins offered that contract because they knew it wasn’t going to be accepted anyway. Just keeping the fanbase interested by pretending they were going after him..
Or the Twins know he isnt going to sign with them and it’s a big PR stunt.
Giants fan following this fairly closely.
No where in reports was it reported the Giants asked for 1 week delay.
All we know is the physical with Giants medical team was scheduled for December 19.
We don’t know why this was the agreed date – it could have been the Giants, could have been Correas request , or could have been Boras.
We do know that after this physical the Giants told Boras they wouldn’t finalize the current agreement as structured. This caused the cancellation of the press conference. Boras immediately told the Giants they were moving on. There was no negotiation at this time between the Giants and Boras/Correa
Boras pivoted immediately to the Twins and the Mets – some reports have stated within 30 minutes.
The Twins declined to continue discussions – stating they needed clarity on the medical issue discovered by Giants.
The Mets said yes we’ll take Correa – not matching Giants offer but coming in one year and $35m less.
Now the Mets are having the same issue the Giants had – something doesn’t look good in the medical department. However – given the Mets we’re aware of the issue prior to engaging ( Due to press of Giants /Correa agreement being called off due to medical “difference of opinion” ) – and due to the fact there are no other long term deals on the table – both parties seem to be willing to negotiate a deal.
We don’t know if the Giants would have agreed to a slightly lesser contract or specific language in the contract to address this issue – Correa/Boras were not willing to negotiate with The Giants after the initial results of the physical and the statement from the Giants they would not consummate the original structure of the deal.
I will state the Giants are/were desperate to sign a cornerstone free agent. We now know the medical issue they found is at least a valid concern. Cohen might be a loose cannon on contracts/ spending but I do believe the Giants would have had more pressure to negotiate a deal than any other team. We’ll see what the end result ends up being.
Most people are smart enough to know that a one year deal is much different then a 10 plus year deal
@websoul, are you sure it was bot Correa who requested extra time for the physical? for all we know he could have been on vacation and not available for a physical
Mets are at a week already.
And yet already had a physical with in 24hrs
Plus had the medical concern already in public record
And you still can’t site any evidence that the Giants were the party that delayed the physical
On their side
Stop blaming the Giants for this – again the delay on the original physical could have been anyone of the three parties involved.
Boras has given the Mets 7 additional days he didn’t grant to the Giants to review.
DogDays as Performance art- bravo
Did this come out of some fever dream? Before ’51- Darius of Persia would steal enemy signals and reposition the elephants to stymie Alexander. So unfair Astros only did what everyone from Tricky Dick on down have been doing. Why continue to pick on the upstanding Correa and shy Altuve. It’s the Giants and Persian and Nixon you should be worried about. Even the historical troubadours Cosby Sills Cash and Chung were calling out Nixon in their ballad Ohio about the Reds 4 gm sweep in the 70 world series (4 dead in Ohio)
Boros by profession is an attorney, one who would “ lie” to get his client the best deal possible
Apparently he lied about the SF issue
Nice. Giving time for the Giants to sweep in at the last minute and grab him from the Mets
Of course Boars would lie. look how fast he went back to the next best offer when Giants showed concerns less than a hour later just enough time to convince Carlos to take the Mets offer. Something is wrong in the medical reports.
Giants might have had cold feet, but a performance clause is going to be in any Correa contract moving forward.
Committing 13 years on a player who could have health issues gives anyone cold feet. Not many long term contracts age very well pass 5 years.
Boras deserves tumors.
@clepto you’re wishing tumors upon someone for doing literally what their job is to do? Yikes…
Being a lying scumbag is expressly forbidden by all 50 Bar Associations.
Their job is lying, hiding relevant information, controlling the players union, be a media circus act? Yea, tumors apply.
Most of these contracts look bad a year after they’re signed.
Clepto, I wouldn’t wish tumors on Boras but he would gladly represent them as their agent.
Nice job Clepto. Real class
Dude, cmon. Tumors?
With this level of maturity, hope you are in high school.
Are your spending $300 million?
If Boras lied, why have the Giants not refuted anything he said? They can as long as they don’t reference his medical records. Now that it has been publicly reported, they can confirm that they were concerned about Correa’s leg. They have in the past with other situations. So why are they completely silent?
Maybe because Boras told the truth.
Apparently, you are not the brightest bulb.
You deserve a mute. Wishing ill health on anyone is below slimy.
Except for all the ones that don’t like Harper and Machado and …
lawyers are the low life scumbags of earth.however i wouldnt wish tumers on him or anyone.
I expect the Angels to get 8 or 9 good years from Trout’s contract.
Boras didn’t lie. What he did was spin, talking in present tense that there’s no current matter to be concerned about.
The concern seems to be long term on an old injury that isn’t issue now, It’s a 12-year deal.
As others have told you, If Boras lied the Giants certainly would have called him on that. They didn’t because he told the truth and his timeline was correct.
Two reasons the Giants are being quiet.
First – they cannot comment on the medical condition /reports. Correa has not found employment at this time. If they make a statement without consent they can be liable for any loss Correa incurs.
The Mets and Correa/Boras have not issued statements regarding the medical issue found etc. Everything we are reading is from unarmed individuals with out the right to make official comments – so technically the Giants can’t address this issue.
Second – maybe the Giants are just a better organization than you give them credit for. The Giants staff/team never leaked anything to the press – no one knew anything about what was going on – all we had was an official cancellation of the press conference.
The Giants only confirmed it was due to a “medical disagreement” after Correa/Boras talked to a reporter or press.
And all they stated was – as already stated – we had a medical difference of opinion – we wish Carlos all the best.
No crying over spilt milk – no trying to spin the story in their favor. No trying to make themselves look smart.
I think they were/are incredibly disappointed. I’m pretty sure they wanted nothing more than to have a clean physical – have their press conference and start the Carlos Correa marketing train. They had already started all the marketing – I don’t think they wanted to back out at all. I think the medicals were not good and this forced them to have to adjust accordingly.
Never trust the “unarmed individuals”. Ha!
Cohen the business man comes out , the squeeze it on. Correa is going to have to put some performance causes in on any contract moving forward!
You cannot have performance clauses in major league contracts. Period.
The Mets can ask for a team opt out if Correa misses a significant amount of time on the IL due to lower leg issues similar to what the Red Sox got when they signed JD Martinez. Remember that the Red Sox also gave up multiple player opt outs to get those assurances.
@websoulsurfer
Contracts can absolutely have performance clauses. .Where do you get your info? This isn’t the first matter in this thread you’ve misinformed.
Longtime,
You are wrong. MLB contracts can have clauses that provide bonuses for games played or innings pitched or for awards. They can have clauses that provide the team with an opt out if the player is not able to play a certain number of games.
But not for on the field performance. At all. Period.
There are no clauses that say a player gets paid more or less if they hit a certain number of home runs or have a certain ERA. It’s not allowed. It’s against the CBA.
You cannot show us one single agreement that says otherwise because it’s not allowed under the CBA.
TDK
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Cubs and all other teams seemed of have dodged a bullet here.
The concern is I’m certain long term . Correa is moving to the hot corner, saving wear and tear on his lower limbs. If the free spending mets are concerned perhaps a shorter deal would behoove them…
3B doesn’t really save you, though. There’s even more diving after line drives, for instance, and the upper body torque on the long throws across your body is even greater.
And here I thought the Mets had a leg up on the Giants…
Next???????
So WAR and predictive or glass ball advanced metrics or statistics did NOT help? How is that possible? Advanced metrics advocate should stand up and defend their god given special trick$ and factor$ to defend how their metrics didn’t foresee this development is CC career and another cheating behavior advertising himself as the last healthy coke in the desert. So… a refund is in place for seat tickets sold in NY?
Boras is going to have a calf if this deal goes south…
If he can no play in the field he would be a viable DH. His value has taken a huge hit.
The problem with your post is using the wrong situation to try to make your point about analytics. Passion misapplied.
My dog has 4 legs, how “likely” will he catch a rabbit on 3 legs?
Curly, that depends. How many legs does the rabbit have?
Does my rabbit’s foot factor in?
The Guardians have jumped back into negotiations after finishing 1st runner-up to the Mets. There is a window of opportunity assuming the Guardians can move Myles Straw. Correa would slot into CF for the Guards.
You would think teams would want to do more homework on a guy before they hand out 300 million but it is the Mets after all…
That’s why they do the physicals before signing the contract.. funny how that works
The issue of press leaks, prior to the signing of contracts, is the problem…
And NY press is the worst.
Bingo
What’s really interesting – The Giants caught a lot of crap in this
But if you read the articles and comments – The Giants never said they didn’t want Correa , they simply told Boras that they couldn’t agree to the original structure of the deal.
As other have stated , it was probably going to take some amendment of the terms/ and insurance riders to make it work.
As soon as the Giants said they would need to restructure Boras stopped the conversation and had a deal with the Mets in a matter of hours. So he was probably still talking to Cohen although he had a deal w the Giants.
The other interesting tidbit from reading all of this – Boras provided the Giants and assuming others – their own physical with “ complete” medical records. So even though Cohen publicly stated the deal was done – giving Boras/Correa a grievance position to take to arbitration. Perhaps the medical records provided by Boras were not complete – so that may be a point in favor of the Mets.
I would speculate the Mets still sign Correa – with restructured terms. However, The knee jerk reaction from Boras to disengage with the Giants is going to cost Correa years and dollar value on the contract.
The Giants need Correa more than the Mets and I’m sure Boras ultimately could have received more $$ if he was open to discussion of restructure with the Giants.
What a saga ……. But as a Giants fan at least I feel about 2% better today. It at least feels like the original offer was legitimate.
Lol or maybe that owner talking about the player in question putting them (the Mets) over the top to the media.
Well blame the agents for that leaking information to get a better deal for their player.
I would guess Boras’ “complete medicals” does include the issue at hand. Along with 41,000 other sheets of paper. It’s there, well buried.
They’ve already announced the signing and NOW are stating they have concerns brewers crew . Good try tho
petefrompp: thank you for a very level headed post. I am so happy for Farhan and the entire Giants’ organization today after days of the worst vitriol ever on social media.
The only step you missed in there is that after the Giants said they wanted to restructure the deal, Boras checked in with the Twins also and they said they didn’t want to continue negotiations until they also saw the results of the new Giants scans on Correa’s leg. Then he pivoted to Cohen. And this was all in the middle of the night.
According to an inside source who asked not to be identified as he wasn’t authorized to discuss the situation.
@petefrompp – I’m A Dodger fan, but I fully applaud the Giants and Farhan for not consummating the Correa deal. You can’t just throw $300M at someone and not due your diligence with his health history. That kind of a contract can hamstring an organization for a decade.
I recommend listening to this forger GM’s take –
youtu.be/Vt_E00BmjC0
receo, it’s the teams doing the leaks.
So are their fans.
At this level, verbal agreements mean nothing. Must be in writing.
“Former”?
Boras is going to have to restructure deal with opt-outs like Giants likely desired. Mets are his only choice unless another team comes into play – but Boras is not likely going to a 3rd team as that would look bad on him.
What is funny is the swiftness that they agreed to a deal after he failed a physical with another team. You would think there might be a little less of a knee-jerk reaction when another franchise deemed him unable to sign due to a physical.
At EVERY level, verbal agreements mean nothing. And not just in sports, but in any endeavor of life. Everybody lies. It’s the nature of the beast.
@Von, Boston.
Boras had lost the control with the Giants deal. He doesn’t like to lose control. Not even for a night.
Admirable courage shown by the Giants. It’s not as if they aren’t under pressure to deliver a star. They had him in the bag. Must have been so tempting to approach what they found with lots of optimism. Too professional for that. Stick to the process, make the hard call, take the bullets, get back to work.
Boras’ obligation is to his client. Fans care about their teams. That’s why most don’t like Boras. It’s because he does his job.
They announced a deal had been agreed to- nothing has been signed. The literally physical signing of the contract is always a separate announcement that happens days or weeks later to make it official- because they’re double checking medical records, doing fresh tests and physicals and hammering out the language of the contract, even though the basic terms were agreed to- years and dollars, etc.
Hilew… It’s a shame that’s been your experience. I’ve done business more than once with a handshake when I knew the other party was a person of their word. Not everybody lies.
Regardless of who is doing the leaks, the leaks are still the problem
neurogame;
Interesting….
In the first 5 minutes Mr. Samson says that Scott Boras is Aaron Judge’s agent and talks abut how he manipulated the situation.
The thing is – Scott Boras is not Aaron Judges agent. Reading the situation and manipulating it are 2 different things.
However, I do agree that Mr. Boras took some – shall we say – interesting negotiating positions that were all legal, but not necessarily ethical, in this mess….and he found the most desperate owner.
I’ve written that the other owners – particularly the small market owners – are going to give it to Mr. Cohen as soon as it’s legally possible. Because this is what happens (from an article by Dan Shaughnessy on 12/23/22):
— “Former New York Times scribe Buster Olney, now with ESPN, tweeted, “What [Mets owner] Steve Cohen has done — committing many hundreds of millions of dollars to improve his team — makes it impossible for his fellow owners to cite financial challenges and be taken seriously (The best example: the Red Sox).” —
The national baseball media is now saying that if it’s OK for Steven Cohen to lose money because he wants to win, every owner should be willing to lose money – or else “they DON’T want to win” (Sound familiar?
LOL
hiflew;
It struck me odd that Mr. Cohen make public comments about his wanting to get Correa but by the time he could look into it he was “too late”. This in an interview / statement some time after the Giants announced Correa was signing with them.
2-3 days later Correa has a “questionable” physical, and look who closes a $315m deal within hours of a public announcement that the Giants are postponing a press conference.
LOL
I hope your mind is never changed on that point, but I fear it will be in time.
The Giants mistake was to schedule the press conference before they had the doctors ok on the physical. Live and learn I hope.
The Giants asked for an abnormally long period to get a physical and examine medical records. Boras was nice enough to grant it.
Then the Giants failed to get a physical done until the 7th and final day of that period. HUGE failure on their part. You may have noticed that the Mets got one done the very next day. That is what a competent organization does.
The Giants had already announced a press conference so backing out at that point could have and did lower Correa’s value.
After that unusually long period of time was already over, they asked for more time and Boras answered asking how long. After a full day, the Giants had not gotten back to Boras about how long or what conditions they would like added to the contract. The Giants stopped the conversation about moving forward. The next move was theirs and they made none except cancelling the press conference.
So, Boras moved on and did his job finding his client a new contract. That is what he is paid to do. He was in the right because the Giants had plenty of time to do their due diligence. The Giants had already screwed up.
Agents do not provide medical records. MLB keeps all of them and releases them to teams that come to an agreement with a player. They are digital, so the moment the team contacts MLB with a letter of agreement, they give them full access to medical records. Nothing is hidden, from injuries, to illnesses, to treatment down to an aspirin they took if it was prescribed by a team doctor.
Decisions like this are made by owners, not GM’s. Johnson decided that this team would not win even with Correa so he found a way to back out. He didn’t do that at the last minute. He did that almost immediately because they didn’t schedule a physical for a week. They just waited until the last minute to announce that they had backed out.
You shouldn’t feel better about this saga. You should feel angry at the incompetence of Johnson and his hired hands.
Agents don’t release medical records. MLB does.
Pete- This was the best comment on this thread by far.
I’m not understanding the point. Who cares when the physical was done ? The important part was they got themselves out of a long-term, expensive agreement with a flawed player.
If you want to criticize Giants management on their direction, that’s one thing. But I don’t see what was so egregious in how they handled Correa.
Boras said the Giants didn’t contact him after they told him they were concerned about the medicals.
Boras said the Giants didn’t get back to him for 12 hours so he pivoted to the Mets who had previously contacted Boras 3 times hoping to sign Correa, but Correa was already too deep into the process with the Giants to change course.
Not really knee jerk. Steve Cohen had spoken with Boras about wanting to sign Correa before it went public that Correa had agreement with Giants. Cohen was a little late the first time and so pounced when he got second chance.
@Samuel,
Cohen’s “too late” comments were said after Boras told him it was too late to sign Correa because Correa was already in the agreement process with Giants.. Cohen wanted to sign Correa but got into the game a little too late.
Later, the situation with the Giants backing down gave Cohen a second chance when Boras contacted him in Hawaii telling him Correa’s again available. Cohen then pounced.
Hey look one of Scott’s staffers.
The length of time between agreed upon terms and physical does seem longer than usual.
As I have stated in other posts – this lag could be on the Giants , Correa , or Boras – we simply don’t know. By the recent events it does seem possible that Correa/Boras delayed the physical as long as possible. We now have the Astros, Giants, and Mets who have noticed something at least mildly concerning in the medical rd for Correa.
The timing of the physical and abrupt cancelling of the press conference doesn’t work in the Giants favor. The delay with the Physical bumping against the press conference does tilt the pressure on the Giants to complete the deal regardless of the physical results. All of the pressure was on the Giants to compete in the west, sign an all star , and show the fan base they could actually land a top free agent. It’s not unreasonable to think this could have been Boras’ strategy all along – the timing did not leave the Giants with an easy decision.
No doubt the Giants eagerness and scheduling of the press conference before the deal was signed off was a poor decision. It could be simply excitement and over eagerness or could be incompetence. Typically the Giants run a very professional front office/marketing front – so I would lean towards the excitement of the organization versus complete incompetence.
I’m disappointed as a Giants fan in this whole affair – if it’s on the Giants I hope they called on it – if the truth ever is fully revealed it will be very interesting. It could be a bad front office or could be a very crafty agent trying to use pressure and timing to create a deal that wouldn’t otherwise have had happened.
Maybe we will find out , maybe we won’t. At least it made the off-season highly compelling.
This was not a verbal agreement. It is a written agreement to terms that is submitted to the league office and the final contract is not executed until a physical is completed.
Dog, are you rally that dense? The Giants waited nearly a week, until AFTER they scheduled a press conference to announce a contract had been signed, to get the player in for a physical.
They LOST an opportunity to have an elite SS because they were incompetent. They could have had the physical done immediately and had time to negotiate if they found something amiss. Instead, they waited until the last possible moment to get it done and then wanted more time to look at the medical records and to renegotiate terms after their window to execute the agreement had passed.
It didn’t benefit Boras’ client to do that AFTER the Giants had cancelled that press conference. His job is to get his client signed and waiting would not have helped.
Thank you again Petefrompp, your responses are refreshing. Correa never visited SF before and we have no idea who controlled when Correa flew in for the physical, you are correct. I don’t think he wanted to come twice so he came on Monday for the physical with the presser scheduled on Tuesday. From previous medical reports (all done before his slide on a steal in September 2022 where he felt the metal plate in his leg ringing) and from what Boras said (Boras claimed he was 100% healthy), the Giants were not expecting any issues. But the Giants doctors found the issues and then they wanted to renegotiate.
weboulsurfer—you’ve posted the same thing like a hundred times on Christmas morning nonetheless. Chill out. A post or two with the same info will suffice. You do not know and nobody knows who scheduled when Correa came to SF for the medical exams after the agreement. Correa did not visit SF before the agreement. Boras or Correa or the Giants picked Monday. That almost week between the agreement and the medical exams wasn’t unusual since everyone thought his medical records were clean. Boras said he was 100% healthy. No imaging had been done since he injured his surgically repaired leg in September 2022 though. They scheduled the exams on Monday the day before the presser on Tuesday. No big deal. One flight to SF. A couple of nights in a hotel. Nobody expected issues. But the scans on Monday showed issues. Giants asked to renegotiate. Nothing is incompetent.
Agnes, the team determines when the player gets a physical. They schedule that time with their doctors and the player is required to be there within a reasonable time frame, typically 24 hours. Correa went from San Francisco to NYC the very next day. This thing called airplanes.
The Giants failed to schedule the physical until after they had already scheduled the press conference to announce the signing.
Love to see a link to that info about a supposed slide in September 2022. I just did a search and that is nowhere to be found.
Well, if you and others stop posting misinformation, I will stop correcting you. What makes you think I am a practicing Christian and celebrate that holiday?
Correa was in SF on Sunday. There are photos of him at the ballpark on social media. His physical was Monday. Nearly a week after the letter of agreement was filed with the league. The team schedules that physical and the player is required to make themselves available in a reasonable time, typically within 24 hours.
There is NO indication that Correa injured his leg in September 2022 other than a blog post by Jesse Pantuosco yesterday. Nothing from September I could find. If you have a link from September when that supposedly happened, share it.
There is no report to MLB of a Correa injury in September 2022. The team is required to report it, so if it happened then the Twins are in a heap of trouble.
There is no interview in September in which Correa mentioned an injury. I took the time to read through every article that mentions him on here, on MLB.com (Do-Hyoung Park), on the Athletic (Dan Hayes), and in the Star Tribune.
If that supposed interview exists, I can’t find it.
websoul: Correa’s injury scare sliding into second in September of 2022 is all over the internet. He felt ringing in the metal plate in his surgically repaired leg.
Posting a thousand times doesn’t make your incorrect views any stronger, it makes them even worse
There’s a link posted below.
“There is NO indication that Correa injured his leg in September 2022”
There’s a link of a Twitter post with a video, and a number of creditable people have discussed it.
Try looking for a Twin City newspaper the day after the game. I would but I don’t care about this soap opera.
The physical is their homework. That’s why the signing is not complete until he is cleared medically.
Hard not to wonder if the back issues he’s dealt w”in more recent seasons relate to previous leg injuries.
Paddy, certainly makes sense to wonder, although it’s been a few years since the back has been an issue.
You are correct. The Giants had one week to do that. That is abnormally long. The normal time frame is 72 hours.
Again -,it’s usually within one week.
But you don’t know the circumstances on why this was delayed. I don’t either.
It seems like The date of December 19 was agreed to by all parties. Maybe it was just a good date for all parties – maybe the Giants pushed , maybe Correa. The only misstep in the Giants was scheduling the press conference , and all of the marketing prior to an actual signing.
Well – the other misstep was pushing their longest tenured short stop of all time to another position in his last year. – but this also shows how much they wanted Correa.
At this point it’s obvious there is something concerning in the medicals – this isn’t anyones fault. I’m sure Correa feels healthy and doesn’t think it’s an issue , the Giants proceeded as though they thought there would be no issues.
To keep blaming the Giants for this doesn’t make sense.
He’s not officially signed so the homework is being done. “bUT It iS tHe mETS”
Except that if he failed his physical the contract would be terminated
TCS – I get you probably just wanted to take a shot at the Mets, but player contracts are contingent on physicals just like a home purchase contract is contingent on an inspection.
You wouldn’t do an inspection on a house before you make an offer, why would a team require a physical before making an offer?
I always do a cursory inspection on house before I make an offer!
Check the shower, flush the toilets, yada.
Gotta know how much I really want to offer.
Home inspectors don’t often add too much value before close.
@ Well, I thought the contract was official and they were just NOW stating concerns over the physical but count on all the regulars to get their feelings hurt and come after me… lol I love it
WhiteSox – You need better home inspectors! They can find a lot more issues that you aren’t allowed to look for during a realtor showing.
For example I’ve been to showings where the A/C unit is totally boarded up, not allowed to remove the boards during a showing but it can be during an inspection.
Inspector’s report kept us from buying a house once. They found some problems I didn’t.
As an architect who has bought houses, I do make an informal but thorough inspection before making an offer, because I need to know what the house is worth to me and where I want to start negotiating from. Takes about an hour. And yes, I irritate the seller’s agent.
Any offer is then contingent upon a full, day long inspection and on the seller’s representations. —I get that most homebuyers don’t have the background to do that hour inspection, but they can learn what to look for (and what to take photos of), often saving themselves the expense of a full inspection by realizing for themselves the house is bad news.
“For example I’ve been to showings where the A/C unit is totally boarded up, not allowed to remove the boards during a showing but it can be during an inspection.”
At that point surely you just walk right out while giving the realtor a filthy look?
an important difference is that team doctors are incentivized to prevent their employers from wasting money whereas home inspectors have relationships with realtors and are incentivized to help expedite the sale. i have half a dozen friends who purchased a house only to find damage that would have been immediately flagged by an honest inspector. word of advice for anyone buying a home: do not use an inspector with ANY relationship to the broker (and be careful to keep boras away from your medical staff)
Not sure where you live, but here home inspectors are required to be independent here. They don’t and cannot work for the real estate broker or agent.
They can’t ask for a physical before working out a contract agreement. That’s why the contracts are always “pending a physical”
Ummm you’re aware of the whole process that is the physical right?? Each player receives a contract offer and then their contract is contingent on them passing this thing called…. The physical!!! But yes, those stupid Mets just going all crazy with blind contract offers! get a clue or
that’s why contracts become official AFTER physicals. so, yeah, $300m, only if it becomes official AFTER a physical… hello?
The Mets lmao
You would think fans would want to do more homework on a topic before they hand out 26 uninformed words but it is Tcsbaseball after all….
@ serge , man that was a such a sick burn. I’m
So devastated now . Christmas is ruined
It is for Carlos!
Well they haven’t handed it out yet have they?
Next time think before you speak.
@meckert lol sorry, who are you?
Contracts are always pending physicals. The Mets haven’t given him anything. I’d think you would know this after the issue with the Giants. Hell, it’s common knowledge.
Common knowledge and common sense are advanced concepts for many of the posters here.
yea,good point,tcs.not alot of rocket scientist over in queens,lol
Fun!
Cohen is a businessman. He sees an opportunity now to get a better deal.
Lord – I don’t think so, if he wanted a lower contract amount he could have simply extended one after the Giants backed out.
Perhaps Cohen is simply experiencing buyer’s remorse.
I really hope Correa ends up back with the Twins on a 3-year deal, it’s not his time.
@Fever, I do suspect buyer’s remorse did play partially into the Giants decision, although I didn’t get any indication they wanted to cancel the deal, just negotiate a new deal. Cohen doesn’t need to save a few million, but he will if he can.
I suspect the final contract will now build in some language protecting the team if Correa loses significant time due to this prior injury. Maybe a surprise team steps in.
Perhaps there is something actually found in the physical. Two teams have found it. Yet people want to think its something else.
I thinks a performance clause or clauses with opt outs may be in the cards. Correa might want to be a Met in the long run. they give him the best chance to win.
Correa wants to be paid, period. He has no concerns about what team. Don’t fool yourself into thinking he likes “your” team. Its all about the money with him.
And here come the Minnesota Twins.
On a one year $750k salary at the rate this is going
but but Cohen promised me a new shortstop for christmas.
Meanwhile Farhan can grab a stiff drink and kick up his heels while the rest of us grab some popcorn.
Don’t change that dial…
Okay, now Correa really fits on the Pirates….he can be called, Peg Leg.
Clip, that was cold. Funny, but cold.
Not a huge fan of the deal, so I hope it falls through and the Twins can get their guy on a shorter-term deal. Wonder what they’re seeing in these physicals that’s giving them concern?
Incipient fracture-related arthritis. Bad news for a world-class athlete.
Really? Yeah, that’s not nothing, especially on a 12-year commitment, which was crazy anyway.
Jeff Parrett can sit on Peg Leg’s shoulder in between innings!
Hahaha! Imagine how well he could plant and throw with that Peg though? He could turn on a dime!
So if he gets hit in the leg with a pitch does he get first base or is it a foul ball?
I actually laughed out loud when I read this!
Hey Clip!
I said something similar down below. Correa in the box with a peg leg would be a sight to see. Would he be allowed to use it to hit?
Great minds, buddy! Cheers and happy holidays to you and your Yankees!
Thanks brother, you too! What if he had a bat attachment for his leg?
Go-Go-Gadget Corked Peg Leg Bat!
He should have played out career with Twins.
At least he would get paid!
Buyer Beware! Hopefully the Mutts, are stuck with this taint! It’s a match made in heaven!
While I’m no fan of Correa, give credit where credit is due, the guy has provided a lot of entertainment over the last couple of off-seasons.
April fools in December?
I wonder if this is why he had a hard time getting his mega deal last year and thought proving his leg was healthy over another season would put the issue to rest
Starting to think nobody really wants Correa?
Maybe part of the reason the Astros didn’t try too hard
Farhan sporting a Cheshire cat grin right now.
gmenfan;
The thing is……
With major clients like Correa, Scott Boras negotiates directly with the owner. Not sure who Boras negotiated with in this case.
Mets should have “raised Cain”, how over confidant & arrogant. they were.
Curly ;
Steven Cohen may be a hero to Mets fans, and a “cooperative” owner to player agents, but as was said – he’s now persona non grata to his fellow MLB franchise owners.
No team will trade with the Mets unless it’s a one-sided trade. Nor will they support him in this case or any other messes he gets into.
When Lindor’s agents walked all over him the bronze was cast.
Giants say thank you for your non service.
My dog has 4 legs, how likely is he to perform on 3 legs?
Depends on what type of performance you’re trying to get your dog to do.
I have “raised concerns” about Carlos Correa being a taint! I told you guys, what he was. Who wants an injured player anyway? Smh
“Likely” is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, in a 300+ million deal.
Tell you what Curley……
This entire discombobulation of a free agent signing exposes to all here that think that MLB is an above board jolly way of playing rotisserie baseball for real are buying the image and the happy talk.
It’s a cutthroat business and always has been.
I’ve read most of the posts because the articles are so superficial. The fact is that none of us know how this transpired, but that the actions of all involved were questionable.
Carlos Correa was a free agent for the 2nd year in a row. His signing should have gone smoothly. Kudos to the best organization in MLB – the Houston Astros. They set a salary they could afford to pay that they thought was fair, it was rejected. They moved on and won a championship. Seems they were the only participants in this year-plus drama with any integrity.
Dont these teams look at the medical information….before they sign someone!!
“Dont these teams . . .”
Thats exactly what theyre doing. They are currently under agreement, and havent sign. Did you read that they signed?
they must be running out of rumors, this is the 3rd time this article has appeared on this site
Why is this on another way around? We’ve heard enough the first time through.
This storyline is better than anything on HBOmax
Lol. Except for the new Aqua Teen Hunger Force Movie I agree with you.
dancing is forbidden!
What is going on with this dude’s leg?
It seems like something that might have created concerns about also being related to his more recent back issues.
It appears that he had surgery on it in the minors, and drs are concerned that his leg is going to deteriorate, costing him speed and reaction beat case, and lots of missed time in addition. As a worse case.
I think someone’s pulling it.
But nothing close to the old Skin-emax weekend movies.
Sylvia Kristel in Emmanuelle?
Nice!
imdb.com/title/tt0132938/
Carpenter’s and Strider’s moustaches naught have been in that cast.
Bamanicious? His name is CJ
Why could they never find women with firm, round, high…
Oh. Sorry. Wrong site.
Someone knock on The Green Door?
The theme song to Goodbye Emmanuelle was so bad that it was awesome..
“Emmanuelle, Emmanuelle, Goodbye” pretty much on repeat With those lyrics
Except I didn’t get skin-emax growing up and had to watch those movies all scrambled…..still worth it
In Chicago in the 70s we had “ON TV” which took over one of the UHF stations from I think 6p-6a. Scrambled there as well without a decoder box. Fun times for an 8th grader who was fortunate enough to have his own B&W TV set about the screen size of today’s smartphones.
I used the old aluminum foil and electrical wire trick to get it. A truly amazing hack.
Worked for HBO, too.
I found an old decoder box in the closet of a house I bought and used it for years to swipe Cox programming….Cinemax, HBO, the whole shootin match. I had a line repairman beating on my door one day. screaming “I know you’re in there, we want our box back!” I yelled that I had no idea what he was talking about and I’d set the dog on him if he didn’t leave. I didn’t have a dog at the time. So I put it away until I sold that house and moved into an apartment building. They rarely come to disconnect at the pole if the last resident turned in their box, so I plugged it in and VOILA it worked again! A couple years later in the middle of the night the thing started to HOWL and deafening static came on….I’d fallen asleep watching a movie and it dang near gave me a heart attack! So they got a little revenge but I got about 5 years of free cable. 🙂
Great story. You lived an actual Seinfeld episode, S7 E14.
youtu.be/bJgGuh_Rfvk
We need Correa in the next season of White Lotus…
Except for Berlin Babylon, The Wire, and The Sopranos.
Well well well
Says the Twins.
Wow lol
Oh boy
Jump in there, Farhan! Quick!
Well well well …..
[CJ here we go again GIF]
If this keeps up, Pittsburgh or Oakland could end up with him!
On a minor league contract
More like the Samsung lions.
easily the funniest baseball story of the year now
Wow–imagine if both the Giants and Mets both had problems with his physical!
What a twist ..
Boras can’t be happy about this
How many more teams can Carlos sign with?
he is quickly running out of teams.maybe call across town to the bronx?maybe la? or boston?or take a 1 year deal somewhere to prove hes healthy?
Cashman will swoop in and sign him for 4 years $110MM contract. Get ‘er done!
I’m always for the players making as much cash
…the fan always pays so $30 beers and overpriced everything is fine but there is always a but 12 13 years is so crazy long it’s comical….paying any player over 3 or even 5 is so risky for both sides….i understand the player must cash in as much as possible but seems like reason has flown out of the window ….i miss the year deal days if a player had down year he didn’t get a raise …. But we can’t do that either but how crazy is it going to be if Mets do not finalize the deal there must be way more to this than we know!!!! Merry Christmas to 1 and ALL
*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Okay. Continue.
Correa may end up not having a leg to stand on.
You win.
Oh boy, here we go again…
This is crazier than a Lifetime Channel Movie
Well, we haven’t had any domestic violence or a scorned woman’s revenge yet…
Gotta switch over to the Trevor Bauer story for that.
Time for Officer Krupke to check in.
except the Tracy Gold anorexia one, that was tough to watch
I smell blood in the water.
I’m not laughing. You’re laughing.
Wait…that’s me. I’m laughing.
We all are. Collectively.
Bloom sitting back waiting to swoop in with $100 million over 10 years offer along with lifetime medical coverage.
He’s a known entity in Minnesota. He should just go back to them and sign that contract by 5pm tonight.
Oh brother.
Hahahaha what
Long-term deal is a suckers bet as good as Correa is. Perfect year to year high AAV.
I liked his original MN deal – 3-105, some opt outs… perfect for him
Why would anyone agree to a contract first before checking out the durability of the goods?
They didn’t. Deals aren’t finalized until after the physical. The deal was never officially announced. We know of it because of leaks to reporters.
Contract isn’t signed. What do you think they’re doing? Good grief
Do you submit to a drug test with everyone you apply with even if there you are not assured a job? I wouldnt have a problem but if you apply for 10 jobs … wouldnt going to 10 different appointments be annoying and costly and this is only a few minutes. Think if you have to go for a full blown physical that could take hours and they would want it at their facilities, so a high end free agent would probably spend a month flying around the country and doing physicals. This also does not factor in the cost for the team / player to do all these physicals. Imagine spending tens of thousands of dollars on Chris Davis comeback attempt and then realize he wants more money than you are willing to pay. Also how could boras have his mystery team if the player has to go for physicals … everyone would know which team it was.
If you agree to a contract in principle then you do things that cost real money. Talking and exchanging emails are minimal cost and time investment.
Should The league should get some doctors to travel for every FA at the opening of the offseason? Then once a player and team get close to a deal the player can release it to the team to check out before all this hubbub goes down
Its a good idea in theory but in the end different teams have different measures and are skeptical of different things. Perfect example is carlos gomez a while back where the deal was scuttled because the mets didnt like something they saw i think in his hip after the deal was agreed to. Then a couple hours later houston traded for him and had no problem with it. Also playing more commonly in colorado is very different than playing in miami or new york.
Also i think the players union would have reservations of someone having every players health information for liability reasons because most players become a free agent at some point. If they did approve this i could see this going all the way down to the draft picks with Players Union since they now oversee minor leagues as well.
The League does make medical information on every player available to all teams. It does not include imaging, though, so that is where the “pending a physical” comes into play. The Gs and now certainly the Ms knew there was an issue when they made the original agreements
Where it gets interesting is that Cohen openly talked about the deal before it was signed and announced. MLB discourages this because because it’s leverage the agent could use with an arbitrator if they fight the deal. This is where Cohen may have screwed up!
this is a very good point but didnt it say pending physical on it? I believe he said it shouldnt be an issue but still was not completed. I believe the Giants announced the move but pending physical as well.
I could be very wrong and just assumed he said it.
I thought that was a condition for every contract, right?
I dont believe so, because there are players that sign when injured so they probably dont take a physical or atleast regular physical for the contract.
As a Blue Jays fan I am not at all concerned with Correa’s leg #MoveBichetteTo2B
My name is NoSaint and I approve of your hashtag.
And it seems to be the same lower leg issue the Giants reportedly had problems with.
Also, are the Mets allowed to say what is wrong with him when the Giants could not?
And will Cohen get in trouble with his earlier comments if he doesnt sign him??
HIPPA violation.
I don’t actually think professional sports are covered by HIPPA. We wouldn’t know X player has a torn UCL or Y player has a bad back.
You are correct. It only applies to medical personnel.
Minnesota! The state so nice they named it twice!
Lol. Everyone apologize to the Giants please.
“… the concern centers on Correa’s surgically repaired lower right leg”
AKA South Correa
What a mess. Reminds me of the Nordiques trading Eric Lindros to Philly & New York at the same time all those years ago. Bad look all around.
I thought the same thing!
Lol. Ahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaa
I can see Correa taking another short term deal.
“Take that, haters”
-cheers, Farhan…
Signs with…the Padres
Nola, Cronie, Kim, Tatis, Bogie, Manny… why not add a 7th shortstop on D?
Hahaha exactly!
The shift is being banned, so the 7th shortstop plan can’t work here. The Ray’s would try, though, with their “analytics” saying it reduces hit prob by 13% and only increases triples and inside the park homeruns by 1000%.
Concern doesn’t mean deal off. But if one was worried what back end of deal might look like, expect him in a body cast
It doesn’t, but honestly, if I were a Mets fan, I’d be hoping for a pivot right now. Spend that money elsewhere. 2 teams saw red flags.
Also, it seems the Mets may have legal issues backing out of the deal because Cohen publicly discussed it. Most GMs or owners speak in “code” using terms like allegedly and not using official names. Cohen made a rookie mistake, and now the Mets may be stuck with this deal, unable to negotiate the terms.
Don’t say that… is that true?
Boras certainly has a case to make. Cohen spoke about this very publicly. He may have screwed himself. If anything, I hope he learns from the experience. There’s a reason those GMs at the Winter Meetings talked about deals with a wink and a smile. Speaking about it publicly could make it binding. Cohen messed up.
Maybe they’ll be able to restructure to a shorter-term deal w/ opt outs. I thought all deals pending physicals could be voided regardless, but maybe not.
Usually that’d be the case,but Cohen discussing this deal very publicly before a physical is a new wrinkle that could lead to trouble. Fascinating drama awaits.
He’s like the friend you bring to the party who you know is going to put his foot in his mouth, but can’t be stopped
Haha. Very true. I expect this to be the first of many Cohen-induced blunders, but at the same time, it’s a small price to pay for a stacked Mets roster for years to come.
I think part of it is that he doesn’t care about the money. Sure he doesn’t want to blindly waste money, but as a percentage of his net worth, his purchase of the Mets is comparable to Musk’s purchase of Twitter. He’s a big Mets fan and feels that some things are worth gambling on. I’m sure the contract will at least partially be insured.
Yup. Agreed. It’s not going to be as big as a mess as many hope in this thread, but it’s fun drama for now. Mets are a powerhouse, so whenever they stumble, the haters will come out in full. Myself among them. But it’s still very far from LolMets.
Always level-headed in your assessment, Von. Much appreciated from a rival NLE fan! For the record, I hope the Mets kick him to the curb and do something else with the money. Cheers.
I dont think you can just randomly do physicals on people at your leisure.
Dude is going to have to sign short term contracts with opt outs for the rest of his career.
It was obvious Boras was trying to capitalize on Cohen’s impulsive behavior, and it’s probably smart for the Mets organization to pump the brakes a little.
Correa will still get a ton of money somewhere/somehow, but likely will have to settle with a restructured contract for fewer years and a smaller guarantee. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Absolutely true about Cohen being impulsive.But, considering how quick Boras/Correa signed for 35M less, screams ‘we want to get this done QUICK. because we don’t want people to find out how bad this medical issue is’. If he were healthy, no one would take that much money off the top, without shopping around first.
There are a lot of teams that would look past that injury for a short contract. But with these larger long contracts who knows.
This and the Dodgers pitching saga are the two most interesting stories this off-season.
At this point it’s comical.
On to Atlanta on a short term deal with a lot of opt outs
Honestly, that would be some fun NLE drama.
I just thought the same thing.
Great thinking.. Braves fans would have to love that
I don’t want him on the Braves because of the cheating thing, but it would be hilarious if they signed him, if the deal was short enough with enough vesting options.
You realize the Braves tried to the same stuff for a bit, too, right?
Opt-outs can be yearly and they’re at the player’s discretion, not the team’s. By “a lot,” I think at least a half dozen, so you’re looking at about 7/$180M. I wouldn’t call that short term.
Teams effectively have opt-outs; we just call them something else: Vesting options.
Teams also have opt-outs.
JIM’S contract with Boston gave them opt outs after the 3rd and 4th season if significant time was spent on the IL for a lis franc related injury. It wasn’t a vesting option based on health from hot it was presented. Team could choose to end the contract, or not, at its option, if he got hurt in that way again.
So do the Twins keep their offer of 10/285 on the table ?
So any of those SF Giants bashers want to rethink their original comments?
Hell no . He’s gonna have to play his career on a series of one year deals .
Mets get a performance clause, and opt out in the deal!
Better call the Twins asap!
Pending a physical? Sure!
He scratched himself in kindergarten after falling off the slide, Mets are paranoid big time.
Giants feeling vindicated. I wouldn’t touch Correa at these insane terms even without the medical concerns. What’s scary is that these teams were climbing over each other to sign this guy when he’s not that guy. I don’t understand how some people seem to look passed the fact that his numbers don’t match the contract.
and that goes for everybody in the MLB the money that’s given out too swing a baseball bat is insane I love baseball and the redsox but these contracts and money that is given out is just wayyyyyyy too much …. 40 mill a year for a player is insane
They generate way more value than that
No.
Then that is the insane part.
Modern day gladiatorial games valued above all else.
Pirates 11 years, $80mil
Teams have insurance carriers on these types of contracts. If a player cant play because of medical issues and it is career-ending, companies pay out the remainder of the contract. Not having a clean bill of health probably means an insurance company won’t sign off on this, meaning the Mets will have to absorb it completely. This would be a gamble for the Mets, one the Giants didn’t want to take.
not to mention the hit to the luxury tax number
Solution, performance clauses, with opt outs, both player and team.
No insurance company would take on a policy for a player with preexisting medical issues. They too would arrange for their own physical.
No insurer is going to take on that contract after they fail the physical.
The thick plottens….
I hope that FireFarhan person considers another name change.
Rays offered Freeman a deal around $150 million last off-season. Put on the table to Correa a 1 or 2 year deal at $37.5mil per (no state income tax).
Huh? He’s on his way to failing his medicals twice, and he’s going to get MORE per year?
Short term deal. Issue is length. When you get beyond a few years medical issues are more questioned & scrutinized.
They will likely require Boras/Correa to secure and insurance policy at their expense to deal with the issue – at least for the later years of the contract. Won’t be cheap.
Remember when the Os got crushed by everyone for doing this with Balfour? How’d his career go after that?
No
Ringworm szn
Mets gonna Met
Mets should be praised for having concerns, as should the Giants. At this point it’s only LolMets if they actually sign him to the original deal.
No, it would be LOLMets if he’s shortly injured after signing while there’s no insurance on the contract. If he continues to play at his current level for at least half of the contract and the team is a perennial contender, it certainly wouldn’t be.
Exactly
Even if 100% healthy this guy is not a middle of the order, face of a franchise, carry a team, type of player. .836 career OPS never hit 30hr, not a base stealing threat even with the new rules.
Good thing Lindor and Alonso are the face of this franchise then.
The point is, he has never been a player worthy of this kind of contract
That’s fair. Though I don’t think any of these players deserve their $300M contracts. They’re all likely to end very poorly.
LOL
Let’s swoop in Jays and get this done. 5 years 125 million, maybe some opt outs, add in 5 or so team option years. Hell yeah
Eff everyone who was crapping on Farhan! He is very discreet and professional, there is no way on earth he pulled out of that deal on Tuesday without a damn good reason and I knew it! Total vindication!
Yeah really. SF was getting all kinds of crap, but now that the story has played out…….
Agnes, he’s extremely smart. MIT grad. Insecure people and those lacking intelligence will ALWAYS bash someone like Zaidi. Add that he’s Muslim and he will ALWAYS be ridiculed. What does scare me though Agnes is that you, I and others continue to post on this sight anyway. Glad you’re here and same goes for tad and foppert and many others. We don’t mind opposing opinions–just make them legit
Thanks Claude! Glad you are around too! Stay strong!
Farhan got it right this time, he still has done little to improve the team long term, other than Webb and “maybe” Bart this team has nothing worth bragging about after 6 years of rebuilding. They over achieved one season, but long term they look like a disaster, with NYY type money coming in they should be much more competitive by now but don’t look to be turning a corner any time soon.
Couldn’t happen to a bigger jerk, so…let’s go. This is entertaining, I don’t know if anything like this has ever happened before. Especially with the amounts of money being casually thrown around here. Definitely and edge of your seat type off-season so far!
Perhaps the issue is the insurability of the player long term – which puts more money at risk.
What happened to his leg? Did it get hit with a trash can.
He was seen with Farhan dumpster diving last week. Must have reimbursed it then.
reinjured*
Didn’t you see Jaws, man? It was obviously some sort of shark attack.
Correa on a peg leg would certainly be something to see. Would he be allowed to use it to hit?
OK Yankees, let’s give this a whirl of our own shall we? I mean, what the heck why not?
Boras says this is a like a colonoscopy without sedation….that microscope thing on the end of the scope just keeps getting bigger and bigger…
Even on Christmas Eve, LOLmets endures.
So it seems the Mets probably can’t back out even if they wanted to become Cohen couldn’t help but open his mouth. Yiiiikes.
Verbal agreements at this level mean nothing. All that matters is what’s written.
Ummm that’s not the way contract law works
The Braves and Rafael Furcal had a verbal agreement, and Furcal reneged and signed with the Dodgers. Scheurholz went publicly ballistic, but he couldn’t enforce the verbal. The most he could do was to cut off the team from negotiating any more FA’s with the Wassermann group, which he did.
LOL
Time to break out the Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif.
Garbage can karma.
Correa is a good ball player… he’s no Larkin he’s not Jeter he’s not Ripken. Hell he’s no Arod either. People are drawn to him because he’s drama. A good looking player who’s done clutch things.Xander better.. Turner better. Bichette better.. Correa has average numbers. And is a good SS period
Since his debut, Correa has comparable numbers to Lindor, Turner, Bogarts, and Seager. His wRC+, wOBA, and WAR all match up with these guys and they all got paid.
I understand there is subjective dislike for Correa as a person, but he is objectively one of the best SS in the game since his debut.
Seager had bigger health issues, not as good with the glove.
Turner has comparable overall offense production but is not as good with the glove. Same for Bogarts.
Lindor is the stud of the class with the glove, but his bat takes a step back from all the other guys.
Correa is much better than ‘average.’
ARod was better than Jeter, Larkin, and Ripken. Weird way to word that.
Bichette is not near Correa. Stop trying to say that. Turner and Xander are both worse that Correa, too. The hatred for the guy doesn’t change the facts, backed by stats.
Mets will have the Correa drama, Braves have the Acuna drama. No big deal!
At his AAV and age, Acuna is not in the same category as Correa IMO
Acuna’s personality and on-the-field antics are though.
Trade Acuna, I’ll glady take that troublemaker Ronald Acuña off your hands
Acuna is young and playing with an injured leg–the idea Acuna has created issues with the team are narrative silly nonsense. Atlanta is blessed to have him. Everyone knows that.
Padres have the Tatis drama and the Dodgers have the Bauer drama.
Lmao!!! This is amazing news! 11 years 280 for the greedy man who thinks he is worth more than Trea Turner
He is definitely worth more than Turner. Shouldn’t even be a debate.
wish I can find the ass I was arguing with here last time who now should eat his words. Giants were smart
Everyone is getting on the owners and front offices but the insurance companies have the final say on contracts of this magnitude and apparently they aren’t willing to sign off on a deal for this particular player.
Bingo, you hit it on the nose. Preexisting Medicals are not covered.
Insurance companies don’t have the final say. Team owners do. All insurance companies do is insure contracts after they are signed with players. They may charge a higher premium if a current injury is found, but they will still insure this deal if its signed.
There is a lot of nonsense going on here in the chatroom about what insurance companies do and don’t do with MLB players.
I’ve heard owners interviews and read insurance professionals that have posted on here. Both say that very few MLB players are insured. It’s hard to find a carrier willing; and when doing so the premiums are exorbitant and none of them will even offer to insure a majority of the contracts commitment.
I’ve done computer work for major insurance companies. They’re extremely conservative, as well as discreet about their business practices. Posts on here making assumptions based on how the average individual interacts with insurance companies doesn’t smell right to me. I’ve seen next to no comments in the media on insurance companies working with professional sports franchises and players – and heaven knows the media sticks their noses into everything financial to do with sports figures. The only comment I saw on here a year or so ago was from a licensed insurance agent that went into details and finished by stating he doubted any American company would insure a professional athlete and that if they wanted insurance they would have to find a specialist carrier oversees, sort of a Lloyds-of-London….although he believed they didn’t insure professional athletes.
I’d stick to baseball part when posting here. Having known professional baseball players and managers, I know that most things that are commonly accepted as groupthink via the media are totally off-base (to put it nicely).
Where are all the people that were giving Farhan and the Giants crap for having concerns???
If the deal falls through with the Mets and he signs elsewhere I wonder if Carlos is still going to say how excited he is to play where he’s “always wanted to be.”
Cohen is a deal maker and wants the best price he can get. He knows there was a problem and now he is going to leverage Scott Boras. I would laugh my ass off if Correa gives everyone the bird and signs a high leverage 1-2 year deal and makes both of those teams eat rocks.
Cohen has no leverage because he stupidly opened his mouth early.
Correct. He’ll learn from this. I hope.
Six million dollar man, we can rebuild him, we have the technology.
Hahahaha
Just sign him and pull a Bauer on him when he stops playing, just like what the Dodgers did.
*BREAKING NEWS*
Carlos Correa has signed a deal with the Pittsburgh Pirates for 15-year, $100.00 deal after deals with ALL other clubs fell through due to failed physicals and “drama”. The deal includes a full “hope to get traded” clause.
Karma for 2017 🙂
Any chance he can still opt in to Minnesota?? Lol
Is the real issue PEDs?
I was thinking the other day that the only way the Giants come out of this issue not looking bad is if the actual issue is PEDs.
The teams obviously can’t say what the issue is and it would be Boras’ job to quickly leak to the press that the issue concerns the leg. But a team does not want to sign a player that is risking suspension and especially not pay for 12 or 13 years if the past 5 years have been enhanced.
Nah. It’s leg.
I don’t know.
I understand the Giants concern about his mobility at SS. But the Mets already had him agree to playing 3B. If you are the Mets and Correa plays four years at 3B, then four years at 1B, then four years as DH, why are you worried about that being the path?
It still seems to me like a bigger issue is at play.
Sabean: Correa’s actually wanted as the prime suspect for the Zodiac Killer murders. Nah, I’m kidding. But that’s just as baseless and irresponsible as your PED conspiracy theory. C’mon man.
First of all, can Correa explain his whereabouts on the nights of the zodiac killings? Didn’t think so.
MLB teams don’t test for PEDs in their physicals. However, other tests could indicate the use of PEDs. Walking a straight line and touching your fingers to your nose is not a breathalyzer, but it can indicate whether or not you’ve had too much to drink.
I just don’t see why the Mets are so worried. They already got him to agree to a less demanding position and can always move him to first base or DH if he continues to lose mobility. And they don’t seem to be worried about having a high payroll. Why are they concerned about having $26 million of dead money on the payroll in 2030 and beyond?
Sabean: I think the Mets still sign the deal after some minor tweaks to make the insurance company more comfortable. It’s going to be a huge risk and I hate the deal.
Alternatively, if Correa and Boras pivot to try to get the same contract elsewhere, he’s going to run into the same issues with his medicals. Further still, Correa wants to play with Lindor and I feel believe that’s the ultimate determining factor here. Cheers.
Correa was alive in the late 1960s?
Teams absolutely do blood tests for PED in physicals.
Gotta’ admit that, as a Phillies fan, I would not mind seeing Cohen having to swallow his rookie mistake and having it blow up on him down the road. Not a fan of the hedge fund mentality, and the fact that he can double our record level payroll without even blinking an eye.
Giants getting some quality attention now for doing the right thing. It does strike me…that must have been some lower leg injury if they are that concerned about a 2014 incident. I mean – he has been playing and moving well for years since then. Kinda’ curious.
Boy, Boras botched this one.
Farhan Zaidi redemption tour confirmed?
Gaints smart to stay clear of this trainwreck.
Correa – Im really happy with my 2 year deal in Cincinnati. Its where I always wanted to be.
Reds’ doctors: Uh, I think there’s an issue here.
When the smart team (the Astros) low-balled him, then he signed that weird deal with the Twins, that should have told us something.
What it told me is that Boras didn’t want one of the big market team getting a sample before paying the big money, and he added a team that was never expected to bid on a long term deal for him to the mix.
Karma is a hell of a drug.
My understanding is that the players medical records go into a database where a team acquiring him has access to it. So most likely what the giants doctors concerns were are listed in that database. So the Mets made more attention he leg than normal.
I believe that the Mets will still get a deal done with him but probably some clauses about the medical point of issue: and made a shorter contract. Probably would work out better for Mets any ways to raise the value like 10-15 million a year and be done with the contract in 5-6 years. Most long term contracts don’t work out in the latter years
Definitely appears to vindicate SFG. No idea what it actually means. Degenerative condition that makes back end especially untenable? But internet is gonna internet. Knowing Cohen – even if it’s worked out he will likely make a deal for an additional impact player just for yuks. Hunch that NL Beast race gonna come down to untimely key injuries and regressions, with Correa a NYM or not.
When the “Dior store” actually means used and refurbished off Craigslist.
Lolol this hot stove has turned into a grease fire
What are odds that Correa ends with the Giants? Astros? Twins?
Or maybe, Cohen has a deal where Correa has to play 600 games in first five years for the next six years to become guaranteed.
Or maybe, Correa is fully healthy and the league created this drama to deflect from Bauer story.
B and C are plausible.
MLB = WWE
I wish. It’s getting there though!
Boros had a reputation for pedaling damaged goods to the detriment of the club.
Boras is damaged goods.
Years ago when the Mets lost years of David Wright’s contract due to his injuries, primarily to his back, they had insurance cover 75% of his contract, I believe. Could the same apply here or would insurance companies refuse to take that risk? Regardless, I think Steve Cohen will move forward with the deal.
I’m sure some major insurance firm would accept the risk, but at a king’s ransom.
With a ridiculously high deductible.
Which I believe Uncle Steve describes in terms of “cents”.
The deductible is that the player has to miss the entire year for the team to collect the insurance.
Wright’s injury did not occur until after he was insured.
David Wright’s spinal stenosis diagnosis was originally made in May 2011 when he had a stress fracture in his lower back and missed 2 months of games. He signed his extension in December 2012.
Correa’s contract is spread out over 12 years. It’s not like a $300M lump sump. Correa’s salary is nothing to Cohen. He’s spending like money is meaningless to him, because MLB dollars are chump change to him. Forcing him to pay $100M in luxury tax still doesn’t deter the guy, what does that tell you?
I’d be surprised if anything comes out of these medical issues, I think Correa will be a Met, and since he’s been healthy enough to play the past couple years, he’ll likely be fine for the most part.
Correa and Boras getting a smidgen of payback for past activities
I can’t see any team signing him for over 10 years at this point, maybe a 5 year deal with conditions, salary based on number of games played, Opt outs, etc., A crazy turn of events.
Boras is becoming a used car salesman
Becoming?
It’s Christmas Eve, I was trying to be nice.
Ok. Cheers.
By March, he’ll be down to a one year, 6 mil deal with the Royals.
This could be a Yankee fans greatest Christmas present! No, not getting a chance to sign Correa. Watching the air deflate from the Met fans balloon while Correa sits in the corner crying under the Christmas tree. Lol
Who is Boras calling now? Cubs? Cardinals? Red Sox? ??? He has them all on speed dial.
Of all the players in the league why does it have to happen to him he really doesn’t deserve this I feel terrible
HOW TO BE A COMEDIAN, Mad Libs Edition:
Carlos Correa will eventually sign a [short contract term], [low dollar amount] contract with [bottom-feeding MLB team].
A contractual opt out if it’s that prior injury that prevents full execution of the contract ? In other words the Mets don”t pay if it’s related to his leg down the road. That seems fair.
I find it irresponsible of the Mets to even think of raising concerns at this point. After the Giants had issues, they should have known the issue and had their doctors review it even before making an offer. IF they failed to do their due diligence before making their offer that should be on them.
Red Sox will sign him to a super bargain contract and all their “fans” will still complain.
All?
Scotty, Scotty, Scotty………
Aiming to look like a Boss, ending up looking like a fool. Stick to your lane. Medical professionals know stuff that you don’t.
“Two weeks to slow the spread”
i agree with many of the other comments, I’m laughing at al the idiots that claimed Farhan couldn’t close a deal and how Correa chose the Mets over the Giants..
Correa is going to be swept into the (tr)ash heap of history.
Most large corporations are self insured. If the Boras Corporation firmly believes nothing is wrong with their player, why wouldn’t they cover the cost of a policy on Mr Correa?
he’s put up 40 WAR since that injury. has the injury gotten worse or something?
Ericthebat- it could be a progressive issue heading into his 30s.
The issue I think is the back end of the contract how will it age; a right leg would be a major issue in a swing. So possible he would be fine for 4-5 seasons but as he ages and things begin to wear and stuff where problem could be.
Since the Mets already in luxury tax area they should offer something like 40 million per year over 5-6 years. Better chance that contract is worth it than on the back end down years. Also allow if Correa is doing good to get another contract or two at the end.
Most likely bad knee(s) or shoulder(s), don’t you guys think? But what I’m wondering is how extensive are these physicals? I am sure that the intensity of the exam correlates to the size of the contract/quality of the player.
Are these guys getting full body mris? Lol. Seems a bit much don’t you think? And if they aren’t getting mris; could this be some sort of genetic/hereditary heath concern he may have?
That is part of the problem. Except for 1 or 2 others, no one on this board knows what is involved in an MLB physical.
Teams give these guys the same physicals other than imaging for known issues. Issues that are already in the medical records MLB provides teams that have signed a letter of agreement with a player that is subject to a physical.
MRI is used for soft tissue injuries. X-rays for bones. CT scans give a 3D image of bones and organs after taking a series of x-rays.
Absolute gold for all the people trashing the Giants. Like I’ve said….that was the Giants medical team advising the deal.
Must be a hoax. No ESPN report.
Twins medical staff looking like real jokers yet again.
Twins knew it was a 2-3 year deal with an opt out. The issue I would think is the back end. Even now the twins probably sign him as bring in ticket sales and worry about back end if it happens
Sounds like the leg could be a ticking time bomb. Maybe on a short term deal it’s not a big concern, but that leg might not hold up when he’s in his 30’s.
CC is Sabathia like LT is Lawrence Taylor not Ladanian Tomlinson.
I thought ‘LT’ was Lee Trevino?
You have to break someone’s leg in half to be called LT
It’s strange how different teams have different amounts of publicity. DeGrom’s deal was supposedly signed Thursday, and the team waited until Friday evening to release the details after the physical. How are the Rangers so secretive about big signings and trades near the deadline while other teams let things like this leak left and right?
Atlanta is usually very secretive too; think it comes from the top down not allowing rumors out.
This is getting better than a TV soap opera.
I was wondering when the trash can lid would show up on imaging…
looks like the Giants bashers are eating some crow today.
“This is a first rate automobile. Sleek, mobile, elegant. A terrific combination of power, style and luxury. What’s that? Yes, it is missing one of the wheels, BUT….”
OhThat Boras, is a Rich and brilliant Used Car Salesman!
When the Astros offered him 5 years/$160M and said it was their best and final offer there were reasons for that.
If both the Giants and the Mets and to a lesser extent the Twins all initially wanted to sign him to a decade plus deal but upon actual assessment of his physicals would really rather not, maybe it means Correa is destined for shorter contracts regardless of his starting age and he should embrace that.
Why keep fighting for 10+ years at any AAV with no clubs comfortable committing to that, meaning it’s a fantasy and not a real possibility, when he could easily go out and get a 1-3 year deal at $35M AAV right now, probably ustify those contracts, then keep getting them until his leg really does hamper his play level and ability to stay on the field and that gravy train ends and he has to take much lower salaries- but at least he’d have the money in hand off a few short term deals that paid him the high AAV?
Clearly nobody is comfortable giving him 10+ years and clearly all these teams believe the first few years would potentially be worth every dollar, so do that.
Aim for a 4 year/$135M contract and then see how that plays out, re-evaluate his physicals, if he’s still in tip top shape and providing 5+ WAR, go another 2 years/$70M, etc. until everybody’s luck runs out.
He could easily bank $240M over 7 years on multiple 1-4 year deals and even if he began to break down could probably still secure another 3-6 years of reduced rate $10M-$25M AAV deals.
He may never get his 10+ year contract, but he could string together 10+ years and a total of nearly $300M or more over 11 years on 7 separate deals as he gets reevaluated but keeps putting up 5+ WAR seasons.
Unless… Correa knows he’ll break down way earlier and he won’t be worth much of anything or may even have to medically retire in 4-6 years…. Meaning he’d know the last 5-7 years of any versions of his desired 10+ years in guaranteed salaries were always going to be wasted by the teams and a cushy early retirement package for him?
Clearly he’s trying to steal 5+ years of salary he knows he wouldn’t live up to.
So why aren’t teams cutting the BS and only offering him 2-5 year contracts and just calling the situation for what it is?
Yeah the Astros gave him a really good offer and I’m old enough to remember when their “fans” cried it wasn’t enough lol
I imagine with the crazy contracts teams are signing this offseason, MLB is going to make some serious changes in the upcoming CBA to limit these ridiculous 10 year contracts
The only reason I can think of to your last point is that the players will then cry and wail that “it’s collusion!”
Meh. I think that given the AAV’s proposed in these deals and the fact that most players don’t talk so openly about their ultimate financial goals in the game and their deals happen very quietly and the players tend to barely acknowledge the process in the media, Correa’s approach has probably rubbed a lot of fellow MLBPA members the wrong way.
My theory on this whole situation is as follows:
1) Correa knows how much he makes after taxes from his salaries, so he can calculate what his career earnings will be at any given final salary tally and he probably has a number in mind that requires over $300M in future salaries for him to achieve.
2) Correa has known for a long time and fully understands he’s got physical issues that will prevent him from sustaining this current level of play through his 30’s, so he turned down the Astros’ offer and took the 1 year offer from the Twins because he was concerned that in 5 years it’d become obvious or he’d be physically unable to play well enough to remotely justify any of the salaries he’d have become accustomed to or desire.
3) Correa, moreso than a lot of players have, said a lot of stuff in the press going into his original free agency, about how he *knew* he was worth at least 10 years, and possibly much more than that, that he *knew* he’d be worth the money through his age 40 season. A lot of guys do not say that, even if that’s the deal they get. I think Correa was projecting. I think Correa *actually* knows that his body is going to break down or is already breaking down and he won’t be worth very much salary, possibly let alone a roster spot, by the time he’s 32 or 33, so he turned down the Astros’ deal because he didn’t want to have to go back into free agency at 32 years old with signs of degradation limiting his ability to get a new long term deal or a high salary or both. He took the one year deal with the Twins because he knew his physical limitations wouldn’t become obvious until a few years into any free agency deal he’d sign, so he could get away with performing or over performing on a one year deal and then getting a new long term contract of guaranteed money that he’d then not perform up to, but at least the money would be secured and that one year of free agency performance might translate into 5+ years of guaranteed contract from somebody and he’d therefore beat the Astros’ offer and continue getting top dollar beyond what would have been the conclusion of that original 5 year contract he turned down- so he’d make more money in the long run either way….
4) And finally– I am guessing Correa has a massive ego (duh) and sees his peak seasons of 7+ WAR as his true value and wants to get paid like that long term and doesn’t want to feel like he lost out on the value of his past performances because he had to be paid less salary as a pre-arbitration and pre-free agency player on modest salaries at that point because his body started breaking down right when he’d have been paid his true market value and suddenly he wasn’t worth the money, so he’d rather have that money locked in guaranteed and spoken for rather than having to re-earn it while his performance dwindles, meaning he wouldn’t earn it and wouldn’t see that money.
Like I said- if he was given a 3-4 year deal at top dollar he’d more than justify that money, but beyond that he’s a huge question mark and the Astros knew that, hence their 5 year offer, which still would have 4 years left to go if he’d accepted it- and hence why any offer beyond 5 years at this point, let alone a 10+ year deal, is way too risky.
Correa is trying to con the system and the system can see through it and he may have to throw in the towel and “settle” for “only” $160M or so over 5 years just like the Astros deal would’ve been worth and then adjust his mindset and ego to much lower salaries going forward and “only” earn around $200M lifetime in free agency rather than the $300M+ he really wanted… but to me it’s like playing the lottery every drawing and winning a “small” jackpot of $100M when you know they can get up to $1 billion and wishing you’d won when it was much higher. It’s ridiculous. Just like $100 million is still a good sized fortune that makes you wealthy, even if it’s not $1 billion, $160 million or $200 million or whatever are still incredibly impressive and wealth generating career earnings, even if it’s not $300 million or more like you’d have maybe wanted.
It’s like how there are so many players who have 15 year careers consistently earning around $4 million a season or $15 million a season, etc. I am sure there’s a small part of them that wishes they were making Aaron Judge or Mike Trout or Justin Verlander money- but they’re still incredibly wealthy and successful for a professional athlete, on their own terms- just like Correa will be when all is said and done.
Wow! And I thought that I was rather wordy… ; )
Just kidding – quite the effort above.
Lol yeah I’m long winded. Some people around here hate it. I am who I am. I say stuff how I say stuff. I still try to be thoughtful and accurate in my analysis.
Really nice read.
Trillionaire: you be you, I enjoyed the read.
Agree with you. I get accused of being too wordy as well; doesn’t bother me in the least. First – too old to care about what people think on social media. Second…it is what I do.
There are some good folks and some thoughtful analysis on here if one can sift through some of the chest-beating, platitudes, kids playing games and certifiable lunatics. The quality of the mlbtr site leads to a better caliber of commenters overall.
Sheesh. MLBTR should charge by the word. Alot of hot air there.
The reason is that the Astros don’t give longer contracts.
Whatever this kids leg issue, he’s a hell of a ballplayer and the leg issue hasn’t seemed to effect his ability to perform. Down the road is anyone’s guess.
Well, it’s mostly a qualified medical doctor’s “guess.”
A lot of medical issues show up years before they become an actual problem, but doctors can see a problem coming down the road and in Correa’s case, even if the first 3-5 years of a deal would go smoothly and be worth every penny, they’re clearly concerned that the last 3-10 years of any of these proposed deals would become a massive albatross with either him constantly on the IL and not earning his salary or justifying his part of the team’s payroll, or being outright medically retired and requiring insurance to cover the remainder, which the insurance companies don’t want to take the bet on and the teams don’t want to pay the premiums the insurance companies are probably requiring if the team were to move forward with a long term deal anyway.
The longest sentence I’ve seen on here. Period.
Lol.
With the latest Bauer twist, the Dodgers are right up against the 1st luxury tax threshold. With incentives, they’ll very likely go over it by end of season. Might as well pick up Correa for a year at $40 M. Why not? Spice things up even more! I must say, this has certainly been the most entertaining offseason that I can a recall in a long, long time hahahaha
Time for San Diego to add a SS 1yr/$35 incoming
Why not?! They already got, what, like 20 hahaha
Maybe the Mets realized they’d rather trade for Devers and give him the money. Which I believe they should have done in the first place.
Aloha folks, I felt so bad for the Giants, how the Bay Area media, national media and Borass portrayed them. I think they’ve been vindicated and the Twins should be thanking them as well, though still tough for the Giants to lose out on various players. Mahalo and Mele Kalikimaka!
What does this say about the Astros lack of care for their injured minor league players?
That they knew when to move on from him.
Seriously? Guess that says all anyone needs to know about your lack of comprehension.
Boras looking for Ferrari money for his Yugo client. 5/ 150 guy now ?
More like a Lexus with a transmission that slips.
More like a Ferrari that one team’s doctors think will have transmission issues in 5 or 6 years
I know teams can’t give performance bonuses based on counting stats, but I wonder if they could base it on WAR. Say, $18M base with an extra $6M per WAR, starting at 4 WAR.
4 WAR = $24M
5 WAR = $30M
6 WAR = $36M
etc.
You can do whatever you want if both people agree to it, but given he not be worth 3 WAR for the last 5+ years at least, he would be throwing away $100M+
He was over 7 bWAR in 2021 and over 5 in 2022. And the formula could be tweaked, obviously. BTW, you can’t make any deal you want, there are restrictions against direct performance. MLB opened the door for WAR with the pre-arb bonuses.
No you can’t. It’s prohibited by the CBA.
Exactly…
You are basing too much on this new fangled stay that a lot of people don’t put stock in.
MLB uses it already.
“THIS IS MY TIME!” ME/MY/MINE – NOT OURS – MINE MINE MINE
In the event the Mets determine that they will not provide Correa with a contract, the Padres should offer the Mets Fernando Tatis Jr. in exchange for Francisco Alvarez and Eduardo Escobar. If the Mets agree to such an exchange, Cohen satisfies his desire for another high paid star to play either 3rd base or left field, and the Padres get a catcher and get to free up money to start the process to sign Juan Soto to a long-term contract..
In a thread of hilarious posts, this one takes the cake. Thanks for making me eject eggnog out the nose, cheers pal.
Boston 5 years 150 mill with a chance to show health. And opt outs after year 1, 2 and 3… incentive laden depending on games played to make the deal worth up to 200 million over the 5 years
Perfect timing LAD to offer a shorter term contact with performance provisions… of course SD would immediately up the ante, so maybe not.
Let him play in Oakland or Pittsburgh for 1 year / $5 M. If his leg holds up for the whole season he can then pursue a longer term / ridiculously expensive contract.
When this is all said and done, Correa will get his money and the Mets will get an option that triggers if he misses significant time because of a lower leg injury,
If the Giants had been smart and got their doctors to work on the 1st day instead of the 7th day, then Correa would be a Giant right now.
I think Mets with Cohen’s wealth are in a better position to assume the risk of Correa’s health than the Giants. This can be the right move for both teams.
he’s gonna still be a met
Breaking News: Carlos Correa agrees to 3 yr 90 mil deal to return to the Twins pending a physical.
He’ll fail the physical and join the Yankees for 1 year $750,000.
He’ll fail that physical and join the Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs for 1 year, $30,000.
I wonder why the twins were willing to give him a long term deal this off season after seeing the same physical results
RUMOR:
Carlos Correa’s stocking, full of coal.
With enough time and pressure, that coal will become a diamond.
Takes longer than his contract
Twins would trade for Tatis. Kepler. Salary dump for Pods. They extend Soto. Twins get to waste all that cash burning a hole in their pocket. Win-win.
If that’s your best prognostication, then I suggest you change your name to Miss Cleo. Pads not interested in either moving Tatis or dumping salary, but hey, keep asking Santa for the stars!
Strong chance the Twins are back in.
So, all the fans who called Zaidi an idiot, etc., are going to come back and say, “Gee, maybe he was right to ask questions.”
You bet.
As I asked back then: Why was Boras so quick to leave $35 million on the table and pivot to the Mets instead of trying to save the deal with the Giants?
They’re idiots. It’s not like Zaidi signed the guy hoping for something to go wrong. This is why players undergo medicals. I don’t think there is anything wrong with me, but I still have a medical every year.
And this was not particularly difficult to conjecture about. As I and others have mentioned, the guy fractured a femur. So maybe he comes back with an 1/8th of an inch leg difference. Nothing to us, but to guys running full speed 10+ times a game. maybe that creates wear and tear on your back, which Correa has had.
So rather than chalk this up to concern about a player with a 13-year contract, the low-thinkers would just prefer to blame the GM.
Because Correa wanted to play with Lindor all along, Fink.
Correa would play in Korea if they paid him the most (it even sort of rhymes). He was on the best team in the world, the Houston Astros, and left in hopes of getting more money. I assume you’re joking.
Anyone who thinks that the GM is the one that negotiates $300 million contracts is an idiot. Johnson negotiated that deal, just like Cohen did.
Zaidi’s failing was in not having a physical completed prior to scheduling a press conference to announce the contract was signed. That showed a level incompetence that is staggering.
“Told you so,” – Zaidi
More gripes than at Festivus.
$300 million over one million years with an opt out after the 34,8474 year.
“Unclear when we’ll have a resolution, but this does NOT indicate the deal is dead. More to come.”
That’s quite a rambling screen name.
I hope it falls through
Good!
This makes SF look better, and Mets are going to leverage whatever they can to protect themselves and not let Boras take advantage of them.
He’s going back G men 5 years $ 135 million
I do not understand why Boras and Mets didnt take physical FIRST before making the announcement.
Damn funny Michol. Thank you. Merry Christmas
PS Remember Boras bashing Giants for not knowing about the leg considering they had already received the medical report? Boras will find some lame excuse to cover his butt.
There was no one availible at that time. It was waaaasy too early.
Why would Boras take a physical?
I hear the Kia Tigers of the KBO are looking for a shortstop without a conscience.
Owner collusion to rebalance the market.
Nonsense. More likely he is injured. Why would someone that just spent maybe $450M on payroll expense want to collude with the Giants?
Stupid comment.
Eat stank.
Whomp Whompp Whoommmpppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Mets are the perfect team for CC, they will be out of the hunt by September, en route for their typical collapse!
I’m jealous of the Mets whaaaaaaaa!!!!
Ha ha , the roller coaster continues. Poor Carlos Correa. Time for the Yankees and catch me to swap in an offer him a one-year deal 35 million. We could use a third baseman too.
Dream on
I’m not dreaming Carter, was just a joke.
You’re Joshing him, you already have your own injured third baseman
Haha.Manny, he’s not injured, he just stinks.
Trash can karma can be a beatch.
Worse case scenario, he gets nine figures, apparently karma only gives him a medium penalty
With the at bat being extended, the Twins can jump back in the on deck circle and take a few more swings at it.
This is becoming embarrassing now. It might be time for Bud Selig to step in.
Come home CC. Astros could use a backup for Pena.
Pena looked damn good last year.
2 yrs, 10 mill guaranteed to back up Pena…everybody wins.
Selig: “Well, you’ve both presented very convincing arguments. On the one hand, Giants, your contract to Correa was given in haste. But was it not still a contract? Hmm? And, Mets, you did provide a contract in exchange for services. But, does the contract, once signed, not entitle the buyer to some assurance of reliability? Hmm? Huh? Ah. These were not easy questions to answer. Not for any man. But I have made a decision. We will… cut Correa down the middle, and give half to each of you.”
Instead of letting the Giants have a bit more time (which would have revealed actual medical concerns), Boras rushed it back to Cohen to make a midnight deal. Seems that Correa would have waited a couple of days more for the Giants, without his agent pushing him to take money on the table. Now, they do it again.
He never had his heart into playing for SF. He told me so.
But seriously, Correa wants to play with his buddy, Lindor.
He sure made it look like he was excited to play for SF. He even changed his Instagram pic to Oracle Park. He hasn’t shown that type of enthusiasm for NY. Just sayin’
Correa was a free agent a year ago and passed a physical to sign with the Twins. He played a full, healthy, and productive season. The Twins have doctors and trainers who are obviously familiar with Correa. They offered him 10 years. Unless he hurt himself this offseason and aggravated his 2014 injured leg somehow, and it isn’t being disclosed, you would think he’s pretty healthy.
First time I can ever recall a big signing like this being overturned for medical reasons, maybe the Giants legitimately saw something that concerned them, and the Mets are seeing the same. Sure will be interesting to see how this plays out. 12 years is an awfully long contract.
As mentioned in the article, with a deal of this magnitude there’s more scrutiny on the physical than the Twins would’ve done on his 3 year deal. It’s also possible things changed over the season.
When is a verbal contract not legal?
A verbal agreement is legally valid provided that the basic foundations of a binding contract are in place.
However, there are cases where a physical written contract is necessary for the agreement to be legally-binding, irrespective of whether or not an oral agreement contains all of the elements of a contract.
The rules vary in different jurisdictions, states, countries and even between different types of contracts, but in the U.S. the following agreements require a written contract to be valid and are covered by federal law:
When the contract entails one party covering another’s debt obligations.
Transferring or selling real estate or a plot of land.
Sale of goods over $500.
Marital and divorce agreements.
When the contract will take more than one year to complete.
If the contract terms go beyond the lifespan of any of the parties involved (i.e. copyrighted materials).
A verbal contract requires witnesses, and this wasn’t a verbal agreement. All contracts are pending a physical, and this isn’t an exception. Many draft picks get a physical and aren’t signed due to health reasons (Kumar Rocker most recently)
This is in reference to those people who keep bringing up Cowen spoke to the media in public so that made the deal binding & he has no way to back out.
He can back out.
Verbal contracts can be binding but this one falls outside of the guidelines.
If it’s ” pending a physical,” then the findings of the physical could cause the team to change course. That’s a standard part of the process.
Exactly, “we have a deal as long as you’ve got a clear physical”. Not to be confused with the “clear”.
Lego my eggo
Watch it work out to benefit to NYM. less years – which would be a huge W
Lol
I feel like it should go back to the giants to re-work the contract
He doesn’t want to play for the Giants.
Carter he was excited to go to the Giants. He even made his photo on Instagram Oracle Park. He hasn’t shown that enthusiasm for the Mets. Just sayin’
Or maybe he learned from the giants experience that it was foolish to jump the gun with a post like that before they all put their signatures on the contract?
The Giants could have made that happen. I’m not sure the Giants wanted to make it happen.
These doctors have it all wrong. That trashcan up his ass isn’t a defect, it’s the key to his success. Well worth 300 gazillion inflation dollars.
I hope the Mets dont go through with this deal. Correa will miss atleast half the games plus hes way overpaid
Bang twice if you’re injured and hiding it, Carlos!
That’s what your wife said.
No, she didn’t say that.
Did she?
She hates Correa and the Astros more than I do. Let me know how your wife’s weight-loss New Year’s resolution goes. Hopefully you’ll be able to get her back in the sack soon…when she fits.
Your wife fits just fine.
I feel sorry for ya bud. It’s Christmas day and this is what you choose to do. Move on.
I’m kind of enjoying the back and forth, actually.
BREAKING: Carlos Correa signs with the WWE and is being put into immediate contention for the Hardcore Championship. Industry expectations are high as he has previous professional experience with trash cans.
Im interested to see what this surgically repaired contract will look like!
@Moneyballer: “This surgically repaired contract” will have legs—-unlike Correa.
Better a cheater in the NL.
At least the Mets waited until after the physical, to publicly declare a press conference date and didn’t wait until Correa and his family were already in a hotel in town, 3 hours before it, to pull this crap. The Mets front office has behaved much more responsibly and professional.
I agree. There’s a lot of nuance and unreported details of this entire saga.
Again no one has all the details
Correa didn’t take his physical until the day before the Giants planned announcement.
We don’t know why it took so long to get this done.
Could have been the Giants, could have been Correa, could have been Boras – this is a detail that we probably won’t get.
To assume it was the Giants management is most likely off base. Giants management is looking very professional given how little they have publicly said about the entire ordeal.
The Giants camp didn’t leak anything about physical concerns – they were completely silent on the cancellation of the press conference. The Mets leaked concerns about the physical to the press. So right now Giants have been completely professional on this whole mess.
I’m OK with the Giants getting back in on this.
Cohen is just waiting to give Boras a prostate exam.
Blink 182 cover with Cohen’s face pasted on top
Who are doing these physical exams? Dr. Drake Ramoray, Doogie Howser, and House?
Not House, after Boras’ first, “Do you know who this is? Do you know who I am” the two of them would have been thrown out of the Princeton–Plainsboro Teaching Hospital …………
bleachercreatures. Someone who plays a doctor on TV only.
Dr. Martin Van Nostrand from the Hoffer-Mandoff-Nieder Clinic in Belgium.
Dr Oz
This should be interesting. Carlos wants over $300M, however fewer years and a higher APY salary will only increase the tax hit.
I get the concern over the injury from the past, and how it may affect him down the road, but if he plays 3B and DH on off field days, that could help alleviate the physical stress of the leg.
I’m thinking 7/210M may be a sufficient compromise – that’s my guess. I don’t think they budge on the guaranteed dollars.
They won’t pay the same for a DH as SS
I’m not suggesting he splits time or anything, however when there’s a planned off day, now with the DH they can slot him there. If it’s once a week or every other week, it would still be an option to preserve his leg.
Exposes Boras as a truly slippery character, doesn’t it? Sure fans have cursed his name for years. But was usually with the sober understanding that he was exactly the guy you’d want for your own contract representation. This episode makes him a carnival barker. Like those con men that would show up in spaghetti westerns selling chicken medicine and cure all tonics.
You bet it does….Boras saw the x-rays and knows there may well be a new fracture. So the Giants bail and he calls Cohen in the middle of the night to bamboozle him with a player he knows is injured….snake oil salesman.
What people are not realizing is that Correa aggravated his injury (the one that both the SF Giants and Mets doctors are flagging).
On Sept 20, 2o22 Correa slid in hard into 2nd base and got hurt on the play. The Twins did not have an exit physical to pick up the extent of the injury. The physical the SFGiants performed was the first extensive one he did since the injury.
Even Correa’s comments at the time was interesting…. “He just hit my plate. I had surgery and he hit it. Just kind of felt numb. Vibrating.”
That re-aggravation, I’m sure is being flagged on the physical.
NYMets4, what would you do? All this happening a day after selling a cool mil in ticket sales not to mention Cohen’s determination and excitement about the deal. To me, he’s still worth the investment in $ if not in years.
Thank you! I think the facts have been getting lost in speculation and one liners.
This proves there are at least 3 team owners that are foaming at the mouth insane. Correa isn’t worthy of more than a single year contract. How everyone rated this guy as better than Turner, Bogaerts, or Swanson is beyond me.
He got a plate in dem der leg.
Last year when the plate was hit and it went numb:
twitter.com/mlb_cs/status/1572615408598884353
Nobody knows Correa (cheater) better than the Asstros and they wanted nothing to do with a long-term contract with him even if an offer was proffered that they knew he wouldn’t take.. This guy is poison and if the Mets were smart they’d bail same as the G’nts did. Thankfully the Tigers sent AJ Hinch (cheater) to Houston with an offer but Correa wanted nothing to do with Detroit….thank God.
Meth is a hell of a drug. Make rehab your New Year’s resolution.
That was probably really funny…..in 1997.
They knew what they were getting into
Rub some Clostebol on it
still can ‘t cover up that “buzzing” noise as a heartbeat ! lol
Cannot be just an old leg fracture. Must be spinal or other signs of deterioration that put in doubt how long he will be able to play. Hopefully will get worked out for both the Mets and Correa’s sake or he may be looking at a series of short term deals the remainder of his career.
Just waiting for the Correa saga to end with a 4 year/$120M deal w/ a $20M buyout on a 3 year/$62M vesting option w/ $42M in escalators based on time not spent on the IL due to his hip/back.
To be clear:
It’d be a straight up $30M a year deal over 4 years. If he stays off the IL long enough or does not go on the IL due to his leg/back, it triggers a 3 year/$62M extension, which the Mets could choose to opt out of by paying him a $20M buyout.
If the 3 year/$62M option was activated, he could then earn another $14M per season based on similar incentives for staying off the IL and not requiring IL stints/surgery due to his leg and back.
Total could be as little as 4 years/$140M or as much as 7 years/$224M.
Seems like the most fair split with the least amount of risk for the club if the concerns become validated and the most fair pay and number of years for Correa if he stays healthy and productive.
So these billion dollar franchises don’t have a competent doctor to make a reliable diagnosis.
The bigger concern I think is that there’s at least 3 team’s front offices that need serious over-hauling and maybe they shouldn’t be allowed to sign future FA contracts for more than one year duration.
So these billion dollar franchises don’t have a competent doctor to make a reliable diagnosis.
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Both medical staffs have come to the same conclusion. What makes you think they are wrong?
This makes me wonder why they announce the signing before the physical check.
The Commissioner should split Correa in two. The Giants and Mets getting half each. Additionaly, neither the Mets nor Giants shall be allowed to offer any future contracts for more than the duration of one year for the next 5 years. Lastly and more importantly Scott Boras deserves a 2 year suspension from MLB and a $350M fine for peddling damaged goods,
The x-ray in question:
twitter.com/TooGooden17/status/1606703707156004865
Giants fans rejoice – our team leaders are proving how intelligent we knew they were! As I said all along, not a chance the Giants bow out of this deal if there isn’t some significant issue. All this idiocy about how stupid the Giants are and how no free agent will ever go there again…we got cold feet..blah blah blah. Fact is we dodged a freaking bullet train and Boras panicked, but not as much as he’s panicking now. The guy is damaged goods, which is why only 3, count ’em THREE teams showed strong interest in Correa. That right there spoke volumes.
I shall celebrate vindication with a tall cup of warm nog.
Cheers TellItGoodbye! I will celebrate with you! I was 100% behind Farhan all week long, he’s an incredibly disciplined and thoughtful human and I knew the news today would eventually come out. All the doomers and people trashing him were horrific and really upset me. I hope Farhan is so happy today, complete and total vindication. Happy Holidays to you! Go Giants!!!
My sentiments exactly, agnes and Tellitgoodbye!
Cheers to you to Giantsfan78! Hope you have a beautiful holiday!
Zaidi still has a lot of ground to cover with the farm and trying to compete with LA/SD. Getting Ohtani would erase all doubt, though he’s likely to join the Dodgers or Mariners first.
Oh totally biggsscreen, Farhan’s work is far from done. This is the long haul. He hasn’t been perfect, with both draft picks and signings, but there’s a lot to look forward to. I don’t care much about big splashy signings, I enjoy seeing our own kids make it to the show. Hoping we see Schmitt and Harrison and maybe Vaun Brown this year, that will make me happy.
This is probably pretty troubling for him.
If it raises this kind of concern from multiple teams it’s probably not a minor issue.
It could even be a recent thing that happened after the season.
It mat not even be an injury. It could be something else.
Who knows, but sucks for him the most because it’s his contract and more importantly his well being.
I am not feeling sorry for him financially as he will be just fine, but empathize for his health.
I think his next move should be to Toronto if this doesn’t work out.
Hangout with Springer and move Bichette anywhere other than shortstop!
Merry Christmas / happy holidays to all the baseball nuts out there who actually follow this crazy sport like we do. Have a great one everyone.
Golly gee . . . it’s almost as if Scott Boras isn’t entirely trustworthy.
For the record, Boras has personally never told me a lie
That’s all in his favor.
He never lies. But never reveals more than he has to.
Without looking it up, I believe he said that Correa is currently 100% healthy. That could be true if he has a degenerative condition with his femur/back.
The key to understanding Boras is to try to figure what he is trying his best not to say.
Yeah I noticed that- Boras said “currently 100% healthy” meaning “at this very exact moment today as I speak, but I am not claiming he will be when the season begins or over the life of a contract he may sign.”
You remember when Kirk Gibson hit the home run off Eckersly in the World Series, Correa is definitely at least that healthy
Remember how long it took Gibby to get around the bases that night?
If he has a degenerative condition, he’s not 100% healthy, Joe. 100% healthy is NOT having a degenerative condition.
If there was a game today, he could play. So he is currently healthy.
He’s not 100% healthy. Mickey Mantle hit a home run with a broken arm. He was able to play, but he wasn’t 100% healthy.
Lou Gehrig played with ALS until it became too difficult. He was able to play for a while, but he was far from 100% healthy.
There was some talk that a hard slide he took late in the season damaged a plate in his leg. The plate was supposed to have been in place since he was in the minors.
That sounds like something that could lead to this situation.
trying to use a “crystal ball” to try and predict Correa’s long term – performance – maybe he’s talking about advanced statistics vs historical factual data.
As said in the olde theatre, break a leg Correa.
WTH?
Why have all my comments suddenly been deleted? Those in discussion with me can affirm that there was nothing in my comments that deserved censorship.
And now they’re back again. What a . . . unique . . . forum.
Did you ask what happened to the Bauer thread and why?
Nope. Just talking about the Correa saga.
☝︎ I don’t think that guy knows what “boycott” means ☝︎
Was the comment of the person you were responding to deleted? In the program they use for comments that can delete your responses.
No. I refreshed the page and all my comments were gone. I commented on their disappearance, and then I refreshed the page again, and they were back.
Christmas night….you’re not a distant relative of Ebenezer are you?
Everybody’s laughing about this situation, but as a Braves fan I think it’s bad news. I’d much rather the Mets sign Correa to the original fully guaranteed deal rather than getting him on a shorter deal with some team options.
Or with discounts.
Ain’t gonna get $300 million+ if the guy writing the check gets cold feet. Don’t know where this saga is gonna end or how it will end.
Might have to settle for a I’ll-prove-myself contract of one year with binders that expand that into multiple years if certain benchmarks are achieved: Like games played, at bats, days not on the DL etc.
Gonna take a lot of ink by the lawyers writing up something that covers as many of the unknows as possible.
Of course, there’s always the Padres who have a hearty appetite for anyone who man man the six!
Exactly!
Prediction: Padres are going to step in with a Twin’s like offer if a deal is not done by Tuesday. Think about this team for 2023. Machado at 3B, Correa at SS, Boegarts at 2B, Cronenworth at 1B, with Tatis going to the OF when he returns in late April.
Knock yourself out
Yes that would be the in field, that is correct.
Now think about this one:
My favorite team trades their bad players for your team’s best players and then my team’s line up is Aaron Judge, Manny Machado, Mike Trout, Justin Verlander, Jacob deGrom, etc….
You’re describing an idealized all star fantasy line up and you’re assuming everybody would be at their healthiest and most productive.
Tatis, Jr. might turn out to be a severely overpriced flash in the pan. This entire thread is about how Correa might not sustain himself over even a few years and might be a one year at a time player who may have had a devastating re-injury the last couple weeks of last season. Boegarts is fine but that contract is going to age like milk left out in the sun.
Clearly the Mets are now in a bind with the league and are being pressured to sign Correa to something, since Cohen made a public statement acknowledging a deal of some kind with Correa.
But seeing as he didn’t verbally confirm 12 years/$315M, they could still go to a Scherzer/Verlander/Bauer type offer of high AAV but only 2-3 years.
I still think it winds up being around 4 years/$130M, give or take $10M, with some kind of multi-year option that could be picked up in total on one option decision that could make it a 6-8 year deal in total, with a bunch of language about catastrophic injury nullifying the option or giving the Mets the right to opt out of certain future years, etc.
Either way, the moment Correa goes on the 60 day IL with “lower body injuries”, Cohen – and by extension the Mets – can rightfully be accused of negligence. There’s absolutely no way the Giants should have anything more to do with this shambles. The Mets may not have a choice.
Clearly the Mets are now in a bind with the league and are being pressured to sign Correa to something
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Explain why Cohen is in a bind, and the Giants aren’t?
Cohen publicly acknowledged the verbal agreement pre signing of an official contract. I believe almost all of the info about the Giants deal up until they released a statement about the failure of the desk upon the problematic physical was purely unofficial leaks via “sources” as opposed to an in the record confirmation by the principal owner.
Blah blah blah blah blah
“There’s been a lot of discussion about backs and ankles,” Boras said, noting that three teams have offered Correa a contract of 10-plus years this offseason. “There’s nothing about him that is currently any form of medical issue. All the conjecture and evaluation has been about physicians using their crystal balls for years to come.”
Well, Scotty, when you ask for a 13-year commitment, the teams are going to ask those physicians for a what they call in the trade a “prognosis.”
Given that you used to be a lawyer defending drug companies from class-action lawsuits, you must’ve heard the term before.
Sometimes I think your initials are backwards.
All the conjecture and evaluation has been about physicians using their crystal balls for years to come.”
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If he wants to blame the doctors, he should just release his medicals for all to see. That way other professionals can side with Boras’ medical opinion or the other doctor’s medical opinions.
This reminds me of a jury I sat on. The plaintiff claimed to have a neck injury due to a car crash but her and her lawyer presented zero medical doctors to testify. I mean, as a juror, what should we think?
Similar with Correa. Team doctors are questioning something and Boras is saying pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
It was obvious when Boras jumped to another offer immediately. His credibility has taken a big hit for this.
For years MLB teams have a “buyer beware” flag next to his name
He got ryu 4 years… 🙁
Poor Carlos. So far his Christmas has not been Merry.
It’s OK. He has enough money to buy Puerto Rico.
Not really. He’s “only” made about $62M in his career and that’s around $25M-$30M after taxes and agency fees, depending on your home state/territory’s income taxes.
He still doesn’t have *that* much money.
Probably more than that with any endorsements, advertising, etc. Many of these top guys are all set for life with even average investments.
I guess you’re right, still has to clip coupons at home. If he wants to buy something.
Even with endorsements and investments I would guess it isn’t that much more. He’s never been a marquee name in a large market the way, say, Aaron Judge is. Judge was making $5-$10M a year in endorsements once he debuted as a Yankee rookie. Judge has made $36.1M in baseball salary but has reportedly earned well over $40M outside of baseball in endorsement deals.
I don’t think Correa has managed anywhere close to that. Not saying he hasn’t made anything, but I’d be shocked if it was more than $10M extra outside of baseball salaries.
So maybe he’s earned closer to $73M, which would put him at more like $30-$35M after taxes/agent fees.
That’s a lot in a short time frame though. Can you imagine how much he’s earned on investments? Anyway, wealthy like most of these ballplayers, that’s for sure. Buy Puerto Rico? Yeah, maybe that’s a stretch 😉
The market goes up, the market goes down, most investors who don’t get insanely lucky earn around 6% a year, or just beat inflation- assuming he’s been modest with his personal expenses and put most of his earnings into investments minus a safety net retirement fund, I would guess Correa currently has around $32M in assets w/ around $27M of that earning interest or equity.
He might have a current liquid value of $32M in cash after taxes, etc. at the moment. If he retired from baseball right now, his investments held steady and his real estate etc. went up in value alongside the market, in 10 years he’d probably be worth around $50 million to $60 million cash.
So yes, he’s set for life no matter what. The extra $300 million in future earnings would and will all just be gravy and a means to more extravagancy or eventual ownership of a club or something, but he also still wouldn’t be able to “buy Puerto Rico”.
Puerto Rico is valued at around $127.5 Billion. There’s no individual person on earth who can personally afford to buy Puerto Rico.
I’m putting in a bid!
Websoulsurfer has me muted so I can’t respond to him directly, but he has made many comments about the CBA that are inaccurate, For instance, he said players or their agents aren’t the ones who give prospective teams their medical records, but they are. They receive their records from their previous team and supply it to other teams who request it. It totally goes through the player, not MLB or their former team. There also is no clause in the CBA forbidding a player from getting insurance. That would violate several federal laws, I believe.
Take whatever he says with a grain of salt. He’s not an authority.
A few people on here have me muted/not allowed to respond to them and I have muted a couple of people myself.
Pretty weird that a baseball news comment section can get so testy.
Agreed. Some people can’t handle being disagreed with.
I don’t get it… the point of coming on here is to discuss baseball and have some friendly debates from time to time. Unless someone is just blatantly disrespectful, muting seems silly to me.
I haven’t muted anyone. I believe in freedom of speech.
I believe in Fred McGriff being in the HOF
Freedom of speech means that you don’t keep someone from talking. Muting doesn’t restrict speech, it just exercises your right not to be spoken to. I’ve occasionally muted people temporarily when they are especially annoying, like when they always say the same thing, like “Trade Acuna”, or “Sign Bumgarner”. But I eventually unmute them again.
1-I mute people to save me the time of wading through senseless arguments. Some folks simply have nothing to add to a discussion.
2-Freedom of speech and freedom to listen are almost polar opposites.
Until 2017 or so, this place was extremely civil.
I mute lots of people.
Sometimes I have to mute myself.
My grandpa told me to marry a woman who is mute…..and preferably with a wooden leg.. He said she can’t nag on ya or run around. Granny used to give him the death stare for it.
Some people are just rude and nasty here. imagine what they are like in their real life where things actually matter.
Actually, when people cannot hide behind a computer and false name, they become much less brave.
What do you mean man? He obviously works internally for a successful MLB team and he’s just sharing his knowledge to help us all! We would be lost without him. If he wasn’t making millions and didn’t know everything why else would he be willing to comment so much here as a friendly gesture to help the less fortunate peasants?
Merry Christmas all!
I think Correa might be a good candidate for a 1/20m “prove you’re healthy” year.
Hmmmm…At the end of this, I see the Marlins and Correa agreeing on a 5-year $100 contract, with incentives that allow him to make more money based on playing.
However, since the Marlins probably have their medicals done at one of the Botanica or Voo Doo stores in Miami’s Little Havana, Little Haiti and Hialeah neighborhoods, I’m sure once those mojo-laden physicals are completed and the results indicate that Correa’s knee will give out on the next horizon that a rooster cackles on South Beach near the volleyball area during a match where that rooster crosses a bottle of suntan lotion, the Marlins will back out because of their medical concerns…especially when told that the ritual to cure it will be $50.
But, unlike the Giants, the Marlins will still hold the announced press conference, because Kim Ng has it on her busy schedule, so she won’t be able to cancel because she plans to have lunch there before her next five interviews that day.
When Boras calls, send it to voice mail.
I can see a offer like this……
3 years at $35mil per
If Correa spends 180 or less days on the IL the next 3 years at $36mil per is locked in. If not the signing team can instead have a $25 million option to pickup & the last 2 years is bought out for $5mil per ($10mil). During that next 3 year option if Correa misses more than 180 days on the IL the signing team gains a $25 million option (or they have a $1 million buyout).
Yeah I have a similar theory about how this all plays out… but it sets a precedent to allow teams to opt out if an otherwise healthy player is genuinely randomly injured mid contract, which the MLBPA would understandably have a problem with.
Some guys bounce back 100% if not 200% and done guys never recover or are never the same. You can’t be sure which type a player will be.
Charlie Morton had a option year based on his health with his Rays deal.
To all of yous who believe that in this comment section
“Yous will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.”
I must tell yous that I disagree.
Yous people are highly civilized, and it was quite refreshing to read all the thoughtful responses.
My biggest complaint was the freely flowing schadenfreude which, all things considered, wasn’t really that bad
Recently, I’ve been “discussing” with a bunch of lunkheads on YooToob who are convinced of Steve Gravey’s godhood, not to mention his deserving to be in the HOF
Of course, any above average lunkhead could see that Gravey’s adjusted OPS+ was merely 117
That puts him at 476th!!!!!! on the all-time list.
The lunkhead brigade didn’t care, and kept arguing and insulting
Anyway, what I have to say as a NYM fan is that the CC deal falling through is no skin off my (big) apple.
I’ve disowned insider-trading SEC bandit Greedy Stevie ever since he foolishly let JdG walk, and then signed a great pitcher… who is six years older!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, I realize that some of yous are totally hung up on JdG’s allegedly incredible injury history, where he spent more time on the DL than anyone in the infinite multiverse
However
Do me and yourself a favor and compare Verlander’s total stats from 2018 to 2022 with JdG’s over the same period. You’ll find remarkably, even shockingly similar numbers.
Except Verlander is SIX YEARS OLDER
Furtherway, the Mets don’t need CC, regardless of Greedy Stevie saying “he wuz the last piece of duh puzzle” or whatever TF he said.
In truth, they needed someone to protect their only slugger, PA
Preferably a corner OF with major power.
However, Greedy Stevie did some shady stuff (under the table) with Herr Steinbrenner so that they wouldn’t get caught in a bidding war
Whether that’s true or not, I’ll let yous be the JUDGE of that.
Anyway, keep up the good work, fellas, I’ll be back to enjoy your generally civilized repartee
I say just trade Baty and Mauricio for Ohtani and concentrate on giving Shohei the 50million a year he will get.
Or sign Correa and still do what you said. I don’t think Cohen will mind
Lemonade24;
Why not throw Kevin Parada into the deal and get Mike Trout as well?
I imagine this is a joke – but Alvarez, Baty and Parada (maybe even Ramirez) would probably be the start of a conversation.
I know this is all in fun and not realistic, but one year of ohtani isn’t bringing back four top 100 prospects from anyone, much less two considered top 20 by most. I’m not big on overvaluing prospects, but I could see two top 100 and one on the verge, maybe.
It’s not crazy. Alvarez & Baty for one year of Ohtani is too much, But if the Mets could sign him to maybe $500M/12, they could afford the overpay.
Most I could see is a Baty Parada Tidwell type package, and I’d be reluctant to do that when you can just try and sign him next year anyway
Pretty sure this gets done in some iteration. Correa seems the type that wants to play on the biggest stage of NYC. Doesn’t appeal to everyone. But if you win, there’s nothing quite like it. Question is – are NYM done or is there a big trade to come? They have a couple of top 100 prospects on 40 man who are blocked
Whoever he ends up signing with clearly the solution is a much shorter deal (2-5 years) with specific injury/catastrophic physical debilitation clauses very carefully worded into a contract that impacts a variety of option years/buyouts/salary levels etc.
From NJ.com:
“Correa, 28, required arthroscopic surgery to repair a fractured right fibula in June 2014, when he was 19 and still in the minor leagues with Houston. At the time, the Astros said Correa’s fracture was nearer to the ankle than his knee. A plate was inserted to keep the leg stabilized.
In eight major-league seasons, Correa has never been on the injured list because of the leg. He was injured on Sept. 20 on a hard slide, but missed only a portion of that game.
“He just hit my plate,” Correa said. “I had surgery and he hit it. Just kind of felt numb. Vibrating. So I was just waiting for it to calm down. It was a little scary, but when I moved I knew it was good.”
Interesting but hardly arthroscopic surgery…..a plate insertion is full-blown open and invasive. And if that plate was struck and broken, Correa may have more problems than losing a big contract….he could lose his lower leg.
If you notice-he does not steal, he does not go for triples. As in- he basically never makes offensive moves on the base path which include him sliding or running hard or both.
That would indicate he’s got limited mobility due to the leg and he doesn’t want to risk destroying his career over that leg. What happens the last two weeks of the 2022 season- he has to do the rare thing for him of sliding into second base with hard contact with the bag and the defensive player and it immediately aggravates his old injury- luckily only two weeks before the end of the regular season so he could just ignore it.l and play it off as nothing.
And yet his free agency physicals highlight this issue amongst teams that *want* him, to the point they aren’t comfortable handing him a contract to sign, despite an initial verbal agreement.
He’s at a position that does not require a ton of movement from him in the running/base stealing sense, but any day he could make a pivot for a ball and re-aggravate his already tender and injured leg- meaning all of these concerns about his long term durability are valid and he knows it too.
He needs to go year to year or accept a clause about catastrophic injury or he’s uninsurable and that’s making this all impossible regardless of what he wants of the best case scenario the teams want to believe will play out.
He’s not so risky on a one year deal but I would bet anything beyond a year had the insurance companies pausing hard and saying only with an insane premium the teams won’t want to pay.
If you notice-he does not steal, he does not go for triples.
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I noticed the almost complete lack of SBs for roto purposes. But your explanation makes 100% sense. I’m not sure any SS in BB has -0- SBs in three years, with only 2 triples.
Well done on the research!
I read a post from an orthopedic surgeon on another forum that talked about this and the likelihood of arthritis developing in some cases, and they may be seeing something on the MRI to give an indication this is coming sooner rather than later. Either way, it’s enough where two teams have doubts about going 12 years (which they should regardless).
And the thing is- this situation crystallizes the fallacy of long term contracts- that players tend to want more years for more dollars- which is obviously logical and not in and of itself a knock against them- but that the extra years and dollars are sometimes because they are worried they won’t live up to any multi year deal and if they accepted less years they wouldn’t get another contract offer.
To me, 10+ year deals are more about players wanting to lock in the income for after they lose their value part way through and if given truth serum, most guys on 10+ year deals would admit they personally anticipate the last 2-5 years to be wasted money for the team but a nice retirement package for them.
In eight major-league seasons, Correa has never been on the injured list because of the leg.
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That explains what works; not what doesn’t work.
Seems a little unfair on Correa’s part to move on so quickly from the Giants and give the Mets plenty of time to rework things.
boras might have literally woken him up in the middle of the night and said “we’re moving to the mets you good with that?”
The Mets are a much better team.
Maybe. But that’s irrelevant. Boras’ job is to get Correa the best possible deal and at this point, 2 of 2 teams were concerned about committing to a long term deal with someone who may be damaged goods
Probably fair enough. Had to test the medical waters with another mega deal team before opting for something less than mega. I think the Giants would understand that.
I agree Von. I think they were more motivated to work it out with the Mets because if that fell through, the next deal would be significantly shorter for much less AAV.
Yeah, if the Mets deal completely falls through he will almost certainly have to settle for a one year deal and as he gets older the concern about his leg will only grow and his entire career may be one year deals.
The thing is-I don’t think this would have happened if he hadn’t been pushing for 10+ year deals based on his age.
By constantly pushing for 10+ year deals, it forced more scrutiny on his physical condition and projecting his durability and insurability down the line, causing these deals to fall apart.
That probably would not have happened for 2-5 year agreements. And if he truly believed what he’s said about seeing himself as being equally valuable in 10 or 15 years, he’d be fine making those shorter term deals because he’d get a higher AAV and ultimately make more money. Like way more money. An extra $5M to $10M a year, probably.
But he clearly is either equally convinced he won’t last 10 years as a valuable player like he is now or that he will have to medically retire early and so he wants the extra years to lock in the money- because he doesn’t believe he will keep getting offers over a decade or more whilst coming off consecutive 1-3 year deals.
Meaning he’s trying to scam the league and con them out of extra guaranteed money.
He could get a 2-5 year deal for $40M AAV *tomorrow*. But it would probably be his last mega deal and he’d fall well short of his goal of earning $375M to $400M+ lifetime.
He’s trying to figure out a way to guarantee himself more than a third of a billion dollars in future earnings and I don’t think there’s any way that happens- and yet, if he really believed in himself he could convert a guaranteed 10-13 years at $26.5M AAV into 10-13 years totaling well over $30M AAV, possibly up to over $35M AAV, on shorter term higher AAV contracts- but he knows he won’t sustain himself long enough to do that.
So again- he’s trying to scam the system. I hope nobody capitulates and he has to settle for shorter term deals- even if it means he actually does stay healthy and productive and winds up out earning a decade plus contract on all those shorter deals.
He could get a 2-5 year deal for $40M AAV *tomorrow*.
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I don’t like him, but from a value perspective, I wouldn’t object to the RS offering $200M/5, with an opt-out after 3. As long as the risk isn’t imminent, I’d be surprised if he didn’t provide excess value over the first three years.
And he’d only be 30 when the opt-out became triggered. That’s plenty young, if healthy, top land another 7-year deal.
Because the Mets are cooler, man!
Seems a little unfair on Correa’s part
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There is no fair or unfair. It was the Giants that backed out. They were probably being nice about it. And Correa, if the allegations are true, is in big trouble. If it is big enough for two teams to back out or hesitate, it might be big enough to cut that offer in half.
GEESH
Time to change the headline Mr Editor
Why? This headline is accurate and up to date. Just googled “Correa news” and every article or tweet I could find, including stuff from less than an hour ago, says all of this.
Did breaking news cone out in the last 10 minutes that hasn’t been widely picked up yet?
If the Mets are smart, they walk away from this deal. Correa is overrated. .836 lifetime OPS. A very good player but not a superstar (OPS>.900) going for superstar money.
This is what I have never understood about the Correa free agency saga- A lot of players have had a handful of elite seasons with very high WAR numbers that were then weighed against a ton of other seasons where they couldn’t stay off the IL or where their numbers were more pedestrian and they got contracts that met those two factors in the middle.
So a guy who might be worth $33M a year in his best season and only $10M a year in his worst seasons is given a $23M AAV and only over 4-6 seasons, maybe 7 or 8 seasons due to a bidding war.
There’s been no bidding war for Correa. They keep tacking on extra years to any proposed deal because he wants a certain amount of money. The only straight up 10 year offers he’s received were from semi-irrelevant clubs desperate to make a splash and even then they were for $275M from Detroit and for $285M from the Twins, a year later.
Why are people trying to actually get him his deal for over $300M when clearly he isn’t worth that much? Clearly he’s valued in the $28M range- which is actually his value, his true value, when his average games played and WAR per actual season played is equated.
The 5 year/$160M offer made by the Astros was already an overpay. He should be receiving virtually identical 5 year/$140M offers with the winning bid maybe going to 6 years/$165M or if someone really really wanted him and were willing to outbid everybody within range of his true market value, but weren’t capitulating to his personal in his own head fantasy value, maybe the winning bid would be an understandable but still somewhat of an overpay offer of 7 years/$200M.
These 10+ year deals for over $300M are insane. He’s at the mercy of the clubs- why can’t the clubs just put their foot down and everybody makes it clear to him he isn’t worth more than $26-29M a year and he isn’t worth 10 years, or even 9 years.
“There’s been no bidding war for Correa.”
He’s literally agreed to two separate $300 million deals this offseason with a rumored $280 million deal from the Twins on the table. What in the world are you talking about?
An actual “Bidding war” is different. This has been more like Whack-A-Mole than a bidding war.
Nobody is trying to top anybody else. He turned down the Astros 5 years/$160M offer and then subsequently got no solid offers except for the one from Detroit for $275M, which he turned down. There were no other offers reported on.
He signed out of nowhere with the Twins for essentially 1 year/$35.1M with two option years there was no way he’d not opt out of except in the case of a catastrophic injury.
He opted out of that. The Twins offered him a relatively non-competitive but at least they could say they tried offer of 10 years/$285M. San Francisco made it known they wanted to spend on someone and they courted Aaron ‘Arson’ Judge. When Judge went back to the Yankees, they pivoted that allocated money to Correa, whom they hadn’t bid on until that point. He was ready to sign. The deal fell through due to his physical. His agent, Boras, contacted the Mets, who are currently known to be spending like they’re playing with house money because Cohen is the wealthiest guy in the game and wants to buy a championship. He actually gets a lower AAV offer and less years from the Mets, but it’s still over $300M, so he’s still happy- now the Mets are having second thoughts and some other teams have reportedly inquired about Correa, but also reportedly the offers would be for higher AAV shorter term deals and all contingent on him passing a physical with their insurance companies signing off on the risk of his leg- so he’d be in the same situation he’s in with the Mets.
That’s not a bidding war, that’s just the free agency market.
A bidding war would be 2-3 teams or more determined to land Correa and jockeying for position by upping their bids by a couple million a year, by an extra year or two, etc. to beat out similar offers from other clubs and him accepting the deal that went the furthest above and beyond to beat that market. That is not what is going on.
Thus, there is no bidding war for Correa.
@rct
And thats not including the rumored teams checking in once the Mets found the same medical issue. Some fans scream the owners need to spend more, some fans scream the players are making too much money. I’m a father of 3 with a wife and a business, I learned in life you just can’t make everyone happy.
“Nobody is trying to top anybody else.”
Aside from the Mets and Giants, who tried and eventually did top the Twins. Then they bid against each other.
“A bidding war would be 2-3 teamsor more determined to land Correa”
Mets, Giants, Twins. That’s three teams and just what we know about publicly.
I’ll ask again: what in the world are you talking about?
I’m just posting on this to do my part getting this to 1000 comments
With two teams balking on physicas, no way they guy is getting a 10 plus year deal unless someone is just stupid.
As the great philosopher Mr. Gump would say though, stupid is as stupid does.
The Giants asked questions about Correa’s medicals and Boras immediately pivoted to the Mets, leaving $35 million on the table. It’s been six days since the Mets agreed to sign him and five days since he took his physical with the Mets, and they’re still working on a deal.
That seems a curious difference of attitude on Boras’s part.
I’ve begun to suspect that Boras screwed his client and himself by running away from negotiations with the Giants and pivoting to the Mets because he took Uncle Steve for more of a fool than he is.
San Francisco seemed much more motivated to sign Correa, whereas, let’s face it, he’s a comparative luxury acquisition to the Mets, who already had a powerful lineup without him.
I just love how the most recent story for my favorite team is about a former player and has been for days… Do-Nothing-Twins; nothing ever changes with them, a disgustingly-annoying-loser-franchise!!!
Will the Giants go after Steve Cohn for interfering with the contract process with the Giants? Did Boras NOT negotiate in good faith with the Giants? By Boras’ measure, the Mets have had MORE THAN ENOUGH time to make a decision, so, what’s the deal here?
The Giants should fire Pete Putle for NOT warning them about Correa. They easily could have signed Turner, Bogarts or Swanson. Instead they wasted time dealing with Correa and Boras.. Sue Cohn for tampering and go after Boras for not bargaining in good faith.
The two parties were only under agreement and no contract was signed. San Fran was looking to change the terms (shorten contract, lower payout), because of something they didnt like when Correa took the physical.
Why would one side be bound to terms that the other side were looking to change?