Though there’s still four weeks until the 2018 non-waiver trade deadline, trade talks surrounding Manny Machado have “accelerated” in recent days, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription link). The Orioles, according to Rosenthal, would prefer to move Machado “sooner rather than later,” as they can extract more in a trade if the acquiring team controls Machado for three months as opposed to two months.
To this point in the summer, the teams most connected to Machado have been the Dodgers, Phillies, Diamondbacks and Indians. The Brewers and Cubs have been more loosely tied to Machado on the rumor mill, though Rosenthal reports that while Milwaukee is doing its due diligence, the team is unlikely to meet Baltimore’s asking price.
That, it seems, could be true of the Phillies as well. MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki reports that the Phillies should be considered “longshots” in the Machado trade sweepstakes. Zolecki writes that while the Phillies “love” Machado and plan to make a serious run at him in the offseason, the team doesn’t feel itself to be one piece away from a World Series. That, of course, makes it considerably more difficult to meet what is likely a rather lofty asking price from the O’s.
Rosenthal suggests that the D-backs and Indians could be the “most motivated” teams in the Machado market, and Zolecki, too, specifically lists the D-backs as a club likelier to acquire Machado than the Phillies.
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, meanwhile, tweets that the Dodgers continue to “aggressively” pursue Machado, adding that the Orioles have been scouting L.A.’s system heavily and are particularly interested in Class-A Advanced right-hander Dustin May. There’d obviously be more at play than a mere one-for-one swap, but May, a third-round pick in 2016, is generally considered to be among the Dodgers’ more promising young arms. He’s off to a strong start in 2018 as well, having pitched to a 3.18 ERA with 9.1 K/9, 1.7 BB/9 and a 54.1 percent ground-ball rate through 65 innings (12 starts).
Of course, there could still be other organizations involved in discussions. Jim Bowden of The Athletic tweets that eight teams have had at least some engagement with the O’s regarding Machado within the past ten days. That would suggest that there are at least a few mystery teams hanging around the periphery of talks.
Solaris601
I can understand the sense of urgency on the part of CLE as their window will be closing after this year with a multitude of FA departures. BAL will want Francisco Mejia to be included, and while that may seem steep for a rental, Mejia doesn’t appear to fit into the Tribe’s plans since they want the tandem of Gomes & Perez behind the plate for years to come.
#Fantasygeekland
Their window isn’t closing after this year, especially since the Royals, White Sox, Tigers, and more than likely the Twins won’t be much competition. They are losing cody allen 10.5M, brantley 11.5M, Andrew Miller 9M, Chisenhall 5.6M, but that’s $36MM+ coming off the books to either extend or replace them.
jd396
There isn’t much of an AL Central… besides Cleveland everyone is either starting a rebuild or trying to finish one.
callingoutdummies247
Glad someone called him out before I got here. I was stuck in traffic
Solaris601
Please note that I used the term “closing” and not “closed”. They’ll still have Lindor, Ramirez, Encarnacion, Kluber, Carrasco, Bauer, Clevinger, Bieber, and Gomes. BUT they’ll still have Alonso (jury is still out on him and his productivity), Kipnis ($15M .200 hitter with average defensive skills when he isn’t injured), and Perez. CLE would be insane to even think about bringing Tomlin, McAllister, Davis, or Chisenhall back. Allen will be unaffordable, Brantley might accept the QO, but not if he’s healthy all year, and the 2018 version of Miller would be open to staying. They’re gonna need a closer + at least 2 other proven relievers, at least one OF, and a 3B (if they can unload Kipnis somehow). Most of the core will remain intact, but they’ll have some serious holes to fill never the less.
Codeeg
Every “hole” you mentioned is either a guy that is expendable and easy to replace via FA or possible prospects.
The Indians are aging and that’s a fact, but I still see them having 2 years of dominance and 2 more years of competitiveness in the standings. You jeopardize a 4 year window and make it a two if you trade away too many future assets in my opinion.
dixoncayne
Miller and Allen sure won’t be easy to replace
wrigleywannabe
Dominance?
kylewait89
Dominance? Eh. Sure. I mean not hard to “dominate” when the second best team is 12 games below .500 but sure we can use that word. Using a catching prospect or really any prospect who is blocked by current quality major leaguer to acquire a bonifide superstar at a position of weakness is the smart move.
Remember thst prospects are just that for a reason. Their window doesn’t close because they trade away a guy already blocked from being on the big club.
stansfield123
Dominance? They have a mediocre record in a division no one else is trying to win.
stillerfan
Winning the Central is hardly a World Series victory window opening. They should run their team as if they are conquering g the AL East.
Polish Hammer
Getting to the dance and then getting hot enough to being able to win 3 or 4 games is not that far out of reach with guys like Lindor, Ramirez, Brantley, Kluber, Carrasco etc…
wrigleywannabe
So, 3 hitters, a starter and one pen guy? Not happening.
stansfield123
The WS are a big market team that’s loaded with prospects. How do you figure they can’t compete next year?
Caseys.Partner
“Fans want to know when the switch-hitting catcher will be joining the Indians to replace struggling catcher Roberto Perez.”
Solaris601
Francona stated over the weekend that despite the fact that Mejia has burned through AAA pitching the past 5 weeks, the organization does not feel he’s ready to be promoted. Tribe fans may recall they kept Lindor in the minors until they literally had no choice but to bring him up.
Last spring CLE gave Perez an extension through 2022 (which personally I felt was totally unnecessary on their part knowing Mejia was on the horizon), and despite his epic struggles at the plate this year and sudden inability to throw out runners, the FO stated they’re dedicated to allow him to work through his issues as long as it takes. They’ve moved Mejia around the diamond at AAA with mixed results. I think they totally see him as a major trade chip.
fisher40
I remember when the Indians and francona had a player named Jesus Aguilar once a time….
Solaris601
And if you recall the FEW times they called him up he only got a handful of ABs before they hustled him right back to AAA. Aguilar would look pretty good at 1B right about now. He’s an example of a player in their system who has nothing left to prove in the minors but just didn’t fit into their plans.
bigkempin
They left Lindor in the minors because he wasn’t ready…..he struggled mightily in his 1st season in AAA. The following year he looked way better and was called up….after the super 2 deadline passed. Lindor played roughly 100 games in AAA before getting called up. Mejia originally skipped AAA and I think CLE realized their mistake in doing so. He definitely needed more time to develop. Mejia will likely be a Sept. call up.
stymeedone
Could Mejia be Swihart 2.0?
Mattimeo09
Mejia has minor league options
Brewblaz
As a Brewer supporter……Thank the Tribe for the donation.
ray_derek
God, brewer fans suck
11Bravo
Brewers fans may suck but you swallow
lord vincent
Might say the same about Tribe fans
Polish Hammer
Donation? Even in Milwaukee he couldn’t win the spot until injuries opened the way. It would’ve been nice to have him in Cleveland and focus that money paid to Alonso elsewhere, but they viewed him as a AAAA player.
supercarnie
We Aguilar in the Harry Doyle trade.
jam
NOT APPROPRIATE, EVEN FROM MILWAUKEE FANS.
DonKieballs
We ended up getting Brantley from you guys as a PTBNL in the deal that sent Sabathia to the Brewers to play in 17 games total. As much of a bust that LaPorta was, I’d still make that trade any day of the week as a tribe fan.
GarryHarris
In the last three years, the Brewers have made many under the radar type moves that have worked out. I can’t tell if they have great scouting or just lucky. Jesus Aguilera and Hernan Perez were picked off waivers while Scooter Gennett was himself waved. The Travis Shaw, Kory Knebel, Manny Pina and Jonathan Villars trades seem one sided but, the Brewers traded away Jean Segura, Martin Maldinado, Kris Davis and many more for lesser value. This Brewer team could really use a Gennett-Segura in the middle and a Maldinado-Parra catching tandem. I’m not sure they have any bragging rights.
BosRedSox
As a Red Sox fan, I have a hard time remembering a more frustrating prospect than Blake Swihart.
Michael Chaney
As long as they have Jose, Lindor, and that rotation, they have a window open so I hate that everyone thinks this is their one last hurrah.
That said, this is also the best chance they’ll have, and having Jose, Lindor, and Machado in the same infield would probably be the best infield in the game by far. I also agree on including Mejia; of course I want to keep him, but if trading him makes a title more likely, so be it.
ldfanatic
Yeah, I’ll take Bregman, Altuve, Correa and Gurriel any day of the week.
Michael Chaney
If I’m not mistaken, Lindor and Jose are both in the top 5 in baseball in WAR this year. It’s not a stretch to say adding Machado would give them as good or better of an infield than what the Astros have. I assume you’re taking this as a knock on them, but it isn’t.
ldfanatic
I’d leave out the term “by far” next time.
Michael Chaney
It was more just hyperbole on my part than anything, but that’s fair
CluHaywood
I just dont know how you can ignore Sanchez, Anderson, Moncada, and Abreu. They throw the ball into the stands in order for the fans to be more engaged. I can’t think of a better infield.
Yankeepride88
I think Joey Votto, Eugenio Suarez, and Scooter Gennett lead the NL and Carlos Correa, Jose Altuve, and Alex Bregman the AL. Don’t think adding Machado would be better than the Astros all things considered.
mdbaseball05
The Reds IF, really? Not the Rockies with Arenado, Story, and LeMahieu or the Nats with Rendon, Turner, Murphy, and Zimmerman. Cubs with Bryant, Russell, Baez, and Rizzo. Even the Dodgers without Seager have Turner, Taylor, Forsythe, and Bellinger. There are several would take before even considering the Reds
AL is the Astros, but Seager, Segura, Cano, and Healy give them a run for their money.
jdgoat
I’d love to hear how you came to the conclusion that the Rockies and Dodgers have a better infield than the Reds.
baseball1600
Right? The Dodgers of all teams? Suárez > Turner, Gennet > Forsythe, and Votto > Bellinger, it’s not even close.
mdbaseball05
Because you’re leaving off a key position? What about SS, where the Dodgers have Taylor but would normally have Seager. You can’t just leave out the position that Seager holds because it suits your argument. He’s one of the best SS’s (and players) in the game. And I also left off Max Muncy.
Depends on your metrics as well I suppose. How about overall value? The entire Dodger infield including Turner, Taylor, Seager, Forsythe, Bellinger, and Muncy costs less than Votto alone.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Cubs easily have the best infield in the NL. Murphy shouldn’t ever be mentioned in the same conversation as Baez or LeMahieu. Murphy isnt even a top 30 2nd baseman. He has one good playoff run and he’s babe ruth. He’s one of the most overrated players in baseball.
therealryan
Are you trolling or being sarcastic? Over the past 2 years here are the slash lines and fWAR of the three 2B you mentioned.
Murphy: 910 PA, .319/.376/.541, 135 wOBA+, 6.6 fWAR
Baez: 1075 PA, .279/.319/.486, 105 wOBA+, 6.2 fWAR
LeMahieu: 1301 PA, .316/.379/.434, 103 wOBA+, 5.2 fWAR
In less PA Murphy has been better than either Baez or LeMahieu and significantly better when healthy. The amount of love “Swing at Everything” Baez gets for being able to tag quickly is something I will always be amazed by. I guess when you spend over 100 years as the loveable losers you can overlook a lot of warts to search out something to cheer for. It’s kind of like a 40 year old virgin bragging about his new girlfriend’s eyebrows.
Polish Hammer
The #1 catcher prospect and your #1 prospect is too steep of a starting point for a short rental package.
Mattimeo09
Giving up Mejia is better than giving up McKenzie. Baltimore will likely want one of them and Cleveland isn’t going to beat the Dodgers offer without one of them
wrigleywannabe
You don’t get it, do you?
sufferforsnakes
Their window ain’t near to closing. They have many of their core players under contract a few more years, and talent waiting.
DonnieDonziel
First off, I don’t think the Indians really want the Perez/Gomes tandem. That took off because guys like Salazar and Bauer only liked throwing to a specific catcher. Due to injuries over the years, the adapted and now don’t really have a preference anymore. But Tito is a little bit overly loyal to those guys because they have been clutch players for us in the past. Perez especially has been great for us in the post season working the count and getting on base.
They’ve been playing Meija in the outfield probably in the hope that he could replace Brantley if we don’t resign him and also be a backup/emergency catcher as well.
As someone else said, we will be losing Miller who has been terrible this season and injured anyways. Cody Allen who has never been an elite closer. Brantley who has been a nice surprise. And Chisenhall that somehow still holds a roster spot. We have Edwin for one more season and a team option for 2020, so if he doesn’t get it together next season, that’s another 20 mil off the books for us to extend Lindor and maybe even Machado if we didn’t have for him.
#Fantasygeekland
Alex Verdugo and Dustin May for Machado gets it done. Maybe LAD throws in someone else. Darvish-Willie Calhoun swap is a good comp, just add a little more.
BlueSkyLA
That would be a ridiculous haul for a few months of Machado, and you’ve proven it yourself by using Calhoun for Darvish as a comp.
Michael Chaney
There’s a big difference between Darvish and Machado. And maybe I’m the only one that thinks this, but Verdugo is incredibly overrated.
BlueSkyLA
Maybe you should at least try to justify your “big difference” and your “incredibly overrated” argument if you are going to make it.
Michael Chaney
Whew! Tough crowd today…lighten up, man.
I’d rather have 2-3 months of one of the better infielders in the game than 12-15 starts of a #2 starter who had a meltdown on the big stage (hindsight is 20/20, but even before he got traded he had his risks). Probably not a sentiment shared by everyone, but it’s my personal preference. There’s the big difference between Machado and Darvish.
Also, the reason I say Verdugo is overrated is because in an idea world he’s a corner outfielder, albeit one that doesn’t have a ton of power and his damage has come in the Pacific Coast League. Is he a future everyday player? Yeah. But a future superstar? I just don’t see it.
BlueSkyLA
What you should rather have is what you actually need. When your need is a top-end starter then an infielder isn’t going to help. Darvish was one of the best starters available at the deadline last year, so try not to be a revisionist on that one. Everybody comes with “risks” so that isn’t an argument either, really. Also your “future superstar” argument is pure reduction to the absurd since clearly that wasn’t my point.
Sorry for asking you form an actual argument. My bad.
stymeedone
Manny Machado is a rental. Those seldom require superstar prospects. Getting back a major league regular should be considered a victory.
Michael Chaney
I honestly can’t understand half of what your comment says. Also, I’m saying that I don’t see Verdugo as a future superstar because of where he’s ranked on top 100 prospect lists…he’ll be a decent everyday player, but he’s viewed like someone who could be a consistent All-Star and that’s what I don’t see. I see a high floor but not that kind of ceiling, and that’s why I’m calling him overrated.
mstrchef13
See Chapman, Aroldis, Also, the team that is renting him gets a 2-3 month head start on signing him as a free agent, should they wish to. Now the Dodgers don’t really need that unless there are concerns about Seager’s ability to come back from the injury or Turner’s long term viability, which I doubt. It Is the reason that Philly seems to be involved, perhaps Arizona as well.
BlueSkyLA
Verdugo doesn’t need to be a future superstar or all-star or fit any other arbitrary label you wish to invent for him. For a him to be a valuable trade piece he needs only to be a solid, longterm controllable, and ready-to-go major league player. All of which he certainly is. Simple.
dugdog83
Yah!!! Michael didn’t mention WAR in a post.
pd14athletics
See also JD Martinez. It’s all really about what the last team standing is willing to deal. I’m not 100% convinced Angelos even deals Machado. But if he does, maybe the crowd holds a hard line. Maybe one team gives up a Chapman package. But it’s not unlike free agency, it’s all a matter of where the high bidder goes. Sure I can see Machado fetching a Chapman haul, and that might be worth it to certain teams if they win a ring as Chapman did. But I can also see a package that left a lot to be desired like the JDM deal.
SuperSinker
For the life of me I’ll never understand why a trade everyone knew was a seriously asymmetrical trade is a framework for future deals now as some sort of precedent. Chapman/Torres was crazy at the time, its crazy now. It shouldn’t be a trade people point to when looking for returns. It was an anomaly.
rondon
Chapman got the Cubs to the WS. They’d make that trade again. That’s what prospects are for. The only thing that would’ve been crazy is missing that window in 2016.
wrigleywannabe
I love wen people Cherry pick meltdowns. Darvis is meh, but get a grip
jbigz12
Christ buddy. Stop getting so upset. He said Verdugo is a solid, but =unspectacular prospect. He is.
charlie 6
He seems to have been a pre-season consensus 30-ish ranked prospect, and he is currently slashing 330/380/490 in AAA, with good RF defense. I don’t think anyone is calling him a future star, but he makes excellent contact.
BlueSkyLA
Baseball Prospectus ranks Verdugo 25th and MLB at 27th. Whether you call him a future star or not, he’s still in the high rent district as a prospect, and is also ready to play in the majors. He isn’t a long shot to be useful.
pd14athletics
Kole Calhoun 2.0
SFGiants4ever
I can’t stand the dodgers but I’ll give them credit they seem to pull off trades without ever giving up their top 5 or 6 prospects.
SuperSinker
Well the Dodgers 6-15 prospects tend to be significant talents the past 5-6 years.
charlie 6
The Dodgers seem committed to staying under the competitive balance tax this year. Would adding Machado’s remaining salary put them over? I know they have some room to work with, but they pretty clearly need a bullpen upgrade too, and maybe another starter.
BlueSkyLA
They are totally and irrevocably committed to staying under the limit this year. This is why I think they are at best long shots to get Machado. As you say they’d still have other issues to address and little or no payroll space to do it.
bravesandcrewfan
They’d have to send salary over too but that’d also mean sending more prospects and they sent most of their dead salary to the Braves for Kemp. Maybe Hill+Verdugo May, and more (I don’t know the LA system too well) which is a ton but that’s the only way they stay under the tax threshold.
Kenleyfornia74
Hill is not dead money. He is pitching well off the DL and expected to be their #3 starter. Forsythe goes in any Machado deal
thegreatcerealfamine
How long does he stay off the DL?
Kenleyfornia74
They plan it out so he is healthy in october. Its not that hard to see
thegreatcerealfamine
For that to work they’d need a surplus of starters like they did last year. That’s not been the case this year, and that’s not been hard to see.
Kenleyfornia74
Dodgers have a bigger surplus this year than last season….Kershaw + Hill, Wood, Stripling, Buehler and not even counting Urias and Ryu coming back at some point.
frankiegxiii
Don’t forget Maeda, Ferguson, and Stewart, that’s ten not counting Santana and Koehler
pd14athletics
Yes let me just plan for these blisters not to come back. Sound planning.
SuperSinker
Koehler was signed to be a reliever and I can’t imagine that plan has changed
Solaris601
Angelos won’t sign off on a Machado trade that brings back anyone’s bad contract to balance the money. He’s gonna want a new Lamborghini and a new Porsche…….oh, and you better make sure each has a full tank of premium or no deal.
kbarr888
Angelos will………Angelos won’t…………Any of you guys actually “hang out with him”………LOL……..jk
bravesandcrewfan has a good point above………Teams take on some salary if it means getting a higher prospect or two in return. If the package coming back offers enough long-term upside…..a short-term financial commitment makes a lot of sense.
It has happened often enough…. to suggest that it might very well happen with the Dodgers so they can stay under the Luxury tax.
Harwood
Forsythe would most likely get dealt away either in the Machado deal or a corresponding one to stay under the cap.
gorav114
The Orioles will eat his salary for better prospect return
charlie 6
Also, since the Dodgers have Turner at third and Taylor playing well at short, it seems a little questionable they want to play MM’s -20(!) DRS at short. Has he really looked that bad based on the eye test? They could move Taylor to second, but that’s a huge defensive hit if those numbers are even close to legit.
Harwood
Taylor at 2nd is a defensive upgrade to Muncy who’s been shoved there for now. Though Muncy has the hotter bat than Taylor at this point. It would be a big musical chairs around the diamond between Taylor, Bellinger, Muncy, Joc, Kemp & Kike. Turner gets more rest in this scenario too since he’ll never be 100% this season.
gorav114
No, injuries around him forced him to learn a new position with all new players around him. He has not looked nowhere near at SS then he did at 3rd but he has looked better as the year has worn on.
Colorado Red
These teams should check in on Nolan out of Colorado.
Rox going nowhere, you also get a year of control
Harwood
Rockies are still in the mix in the wide open west, and even if they were out of it they aren’t trading Arenado. If he was available though everybody should be in on him.
Solaris601
Arenado would move to the front of the line for sure. COL would net some high end talent, but even if they were 15 games under .500 they wouldn’t sell this year after investing almost $100M in that bullpen (which has still kinda gone sideways).
Bryzzo2016
He’s their franchise player, I can’t see Colorado moving him, besides they are right in the thick of it in the West.
Lance
Nolan is only average with the bat away from Coors. His numbers inflated in Denver like so many others. Three years ago, these same type of talks were happening with Tulo and I’ll wager Toronto regrets that deal. Rox would want a huge return and I don’t see it being worth it.
Priggs89
His lowest road OPS over the last 4 years was in the .830’s. I wouldn’t call that “average,” especially when you factor in GG defense at third…
dwilson10
Machado to the Dodgers for Alex Verdugo, Mitchell White, and Dustin May
BlueSkyLA
Why not throw in the team bus while you are at it?
lord vincent
That’s good the O’s could use a new bus!
BillBacon
And a new ownership plus a new front office team
Aril
better trade those for deGrom
citizen
throw in rylan bannon and gavin lux and its a deal.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Lol. Thanks for making me laugh.
NaiveYouAre
They had a better offer than that on the table today, and it was turned down. There is a reason Baltimore is as bad as they are.
bigdaddyhacks
Machado’s statement to not extended with who gets him killed his value. I’d expect him to go somewhere nobody expects.
ray_derek
I don’t think there was any doubt, not sure what he said matters one bit. No one in their right mind would extend after getting traded being 2-3 months from free agency.
kbarr888
That would depend on the financials, wouldn’t it?
Maybe we should interview a few players who “thought the same thing”. Players who were “quite disappointed” with the contracts they ended up signing in Free Agency.
The list from the last couple off-seasons isn’t short.
Sure…..none have the same skillset as Machado…but I still say that Harper and Machado might have to settle for “a little less than they are hoping for”.
I’d even go as far to suggest that Harper might sign a 3-year/$100 Mil deal to rebuild his value….(something like 30-30-40)…..with an Opt-Out each year. He won’t be 26 until after this season is over.
Aril
what could be the package the Dbacks could offer?
buzdon
Rumor is Duplantier (DBacks #1 prospect), but they could sweeten the pot by unloading Tomas.
azmacky
If Dodgers get him they need to move Kiki to 2b, Bellinger to CF & Muncy to 1b. The way Taylor is hitting now no way to keep sitting Kiki. Plus Kiki is a better glove than Taylor.
Aril
i dont want belly out of 1st >< im scared he could get injured in the outfield
charlie 6
Remember that Kike’s overall slash line is bolstered by sitting against most righties. Taylor plays everyday.
azmacky
Taylor has struggled all year st the plate. Just saying.
BlueSkyLA
Are you really seeing a huge difference between the offensive numbers for Taylor and Hernandez? If so, please point it out.
azmacky
Watching guys just play the game I would have to say this year Kiki is out playing Taylor in the (in)field hands down. Better glove, better arm. Anything else.
BlueSkyLA
On defense I agree, but your point was about struggles at the plate, so that’s the reason for my question.
SabrinasDaddy
Local reporting suggests the Dodgers will pass due to Machado’s bad knees; as a Dodgers Fan I’d like to see the Boys in Blue pass on Machado to bolster the pitching staff…
Ironman_4life
Manny has bad knees? I wonder if he knows ?
gorav114
That makes no sense. He had surgery years ago and hasn’t had a single hiccup with them since. Plays everyday
NaiveYouAre
Exactly! Bullpen help is needed if they want to make another post season run. Front office already made an extremely generous offer this morning, and they were turned down outright. The price is always higher for the Dodgers, and Baltimore won’t get another offer like they got today. While the page hasn’t been turned on Manny yet, Baltimore just lost huge bargaining power. Bullpen help is on the way. Wait and see…
Jockstrapper
Fart. Real risky giving up a haul for just half a season of this guy’s services. He’s said he’s gonna test free agency.
Danthemilwfan
Brewers would be great but hopefully not willing to give huira, burnes etc…we do have the pieces to get machado and degrom
mikeyst13
What pieces? They may have the pieces to get one of them, but not both. Either guy is going to start with Hiura and an arm (Burnes or Peralta). By the time they made 1 deal there would not be enough left in the system to get the other done.
augold5
The orioles are not getting two T100 prospects for Muchado. I agree it will take that much to get Degrom, but I think Muchado’s return will be less than you think.
notagiantsfan
Even if they decide to fork over the haul it would take to get Machado, it would be Sabathia all over again. Reportedly,. Sabathia enjoyed his time in Milwaukee, but there was no way he wasn’t going to listen to offers after the season. The Yankees were throwing money into a couple of Brinks trucks by the end of the World Series.
Further Machado gonna demand 10 years. I think Machado is terrific, but im having a hard time thinking of a 10 year deal a team didn’t regret.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
From what I recall, CC was all set to Re-up with Milwaukee, despite the gap in $$$/length of contract until the players union stepped in and said ‘no no, you’ll take the NY offer. It won’t look good for players if a big name takes a lesser deal with a small market club.’
By all accounts, he loved his short time with the Brewers.
SuperSinker
You’re gonna need to cite that cause I’ve never heard this from anybody.
ray_derek
Keep telling yourself that, CC was never signing in Milwaukee. Again, brewer fans suck
11Bravo
I think you might be referring to Greinke. Greinke was actually in negotiations with the team without an agent during spring training and the MJS quoted him as saying he loved the lake, the anonymity of living in MKE, and the small town feel. Then he hired Casey Close and that pretty much ended all the negotiations.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
It was 10 years ago. Maybe ray Derek can find evidence to the contrary, as he seems to be an expert…
I’m not going to lose sleep if people don’t believe me. But I believe the brewers offer was something like 5/$100 mil. Give or take a few dollars.
11Bravo
That was the offer to Sabathia. Same offer they gave Greinke. And you are right but I don’t know if the players union had any say in the matter. SI quoted Sabathia as saying that MKE “fit like a glove”.
MurderersRow27
The Yankees didn’t regret the 10 year contract they signed Derek Jeter to (10yrs/$189 million). That contract worked out extremely well for them.
11Bravo
If you’re going to give up Hiura, Burnes, and Ray, it better be for deGrom and not Machado.
JayKay
Dustin May, Trevor Oaks, and Logan Forsythe for Machado + (????). If too much, switch Oaks with Caleb Furguson. If too little, then IDK.
Orioles have Mountcastle and Jomar moving up the system, so only a stopgap (Forsythe) is necessary, though maybe another less-valued position player is included.
Thoughts?
Kenleyfornia74
Oaks is gone
K3vin
Jomar is moving up? I think he is in his 3rd straight season at Frederick. He is hardly going anywhere.
JayKay
@K3vin True, I was on work break ( as I am now) so that assumption was made without prior research, but I apologize for the inaccurate ibformation.
Nevertheless, the point is that the O’s need a complete overhaul, starting from the ground up. My trade idea is nothing more than a observation based off what the O’s have lacked over the course of many seasons (SP) and where I think the best place to start would be.
JayKay
Oops, was looking at BA pre-season prospect rankings. Oaks was gone, huh….
My bad, I’m trying to focus more on my life thus meaning my obsession with baseball is on hold. Should do my research when I have the time before making observation!based trade proposals.
mt in baltimore
mostly true..he’s either a disappointment or a very late bloomer..
Msemetis2228
Trevor Oaks isn’t even in the Dodgers organization lol. He was sent to KC in the Scott Alexander trade.
paulslc
Manny @ short Taylor back to cf Belli back to 1b. Muncy gets starts @ 1st 2nd & 3rd.
If there’s a next year for Manny in LA, Manny @ 3b Turner @ 2nd Seager back to short.
Yes, Turner can still handle 2nd, provided he keeps oiling those creaky knees.
He’s surprisingly mobile on defensive shifts on that side of the infield
BlueSkyLA
Can’t we take this one season at a time? Machado doesn’t play for the Dodgers now, and he becomes a free agent at the end of the season, no matter where he plays it out.
stymeedone
How about a comparison of what JDM got back in trade for Machado’s value? JDM was having a great offensive year but was a bad defensive OF. MM is having a great offensive year and is equally bad at SS, where he wants to play. While he might fit on a team, like JDM, there is no team that absolutely has to have him right now, except Arizona.
jdgoat
That’s not true at all. JDM wasn’t even passable in the OF
SuperSinker
I’m not sure who would grade out worse between the two at SS right now. Machado’s been shockingly bad there
jbigz12
Then consider MM as an elite 3B and evaluate him that way…
stymeedone
He seems to be passable enough in Boston to play there some days. Having watched him in Detroit, he lacked range, but played solid, unspectacular defense and had a good throwing arm.
While MM is a great 3B, he didn’t want to play there in Baltimore. Are you sure he will be willing once he is traded?
RedRooster
And the acquiring team might play Manny at 3B where he is elite
sufferforsnakes
Can’t see the Tribe giving up the future for a rental.
Polish Hammer
Exactly, nor do I want them to for a guy they certainly won’t even make an attempt to resign. I understand he’s Alonzo’s bro-in-law and may want to play with him, but don’t give up everything for 3 months of a player. If it’s a controllable contract is a different story, but not this one.
jb19
i don’t see the Indians getting past the Yankees, Astros or Red Sox with or without Machado. So probably best to save your bullets.
Polish Hammer
Thanks Nostradumbass, guess we should just cancel the season because could get hot enough to win a series and nobody could experience injuries between now and then.
dugdog83
Lay that hammer
mickster66
It doesn’t do a lot of good to have a good young arm in the minors if you don’t have the staff to develop him. Bundy and Gausman should be 15-20 game winners by now. We all saw what happened when Arrieta left Baltimore.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
He’ll go to philly and re-sign there for 9/243 with an opt out at the 3rd and 7th years. An option for a 10th year based on numbers in the 8th and 9th years combined.
RedRooster
1. That won’t be enough to get him to sign.
2. Wouldn’t it make more sense for the Phillies to just wait and sign him in the offseason for just money?
DRod35
More like 10/350
iH8PaperStraws
More like 6/$190m with a 7th and 8th club option at about $37m each.
kbarr888
Why would he sign a 6-yr deal, and re-enter the FA market at 32 yrs old???
He’d be leaving a TON of cash on the table.
He might sign a 3/$100 deal with an Opt-Out each year (30-30-40)……but i doubt he’d sign anything longer than 3 yrs, or less than 10 yrs. It just doesn’t make sense for him to do that.
Polish Hammer
Because all these fantasy baseball GMs know so much about real life negotiations and what a player is looking for.
iH8PaperStraws
Because the players don’t really get to dictate terms and clubs are learning to invest wisely. And you can believe what the radio and tv personalities say. Last off-season proved the shift in contract power. He’ll have his opt outs opportunities for sure. But if he is still MVP caliber at 32 he can get another 3 year deal for plenty of money if the club declines the options.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
He’s not getting 350mil.
kimball0401
Probably going to the lakers because why not at this point
RedRooster
I’m sticking to my original prediction: Machado isn’t traded
BlueSkyLA
I’d take even money on the other side of that bet in a heartbeat. The Orioles will take the best offer they get for him because there’s simply no good reason for them to do otherwise.
RedRooster
You’d think so wouldn’t you?
Polish Hammer
The return has to top the draft pick compensation they’ll get for losing him as a FA. And the team trading for him doesn’t get that compensation, so I like giving up Mejia in a package for this rental.
BlueSkyLA
If the compensation pick was a major barrier, nobody would trade a top player in their walk year. Yet it happens.
SuperSinker
You’re assuming the Baltimore Orioles are rational actors when the past 5 years has not shown that they are.
BlueSkyLA
A top prospect or two will be dangled in front of their eyes and they will grab them. Even the most clueless front office running a team as catastrophically bad as the 2018 Orioles would not pass it up. Machado is the perfect deadline trade candidate: desirable to several teams, expensive, and useless to his current team.
Mark this page, we can come back to this discussion in a few weeks and see who called the shot.
Bryzzo2016
Golden State will get him, no question!
AlBundysFanClubPresident
Nah, LeBron is already lobbying to get him to join the Lakers. They’re in scramble mode after CP3 & Paul George both opted to stay with their respective teams.
Bryzzo2016
Make sense, can’t be any worse than Lance.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
LeBron signed with the lakers way to quickly. The lakers are not beating the warriors. He was better off in philly. If he wins an NBA title in LA then theres no doubt the NBA is fixed.
Philliesfan4life
I have Machado going to Arizona , they win the nl west for the first time since 2011. Then the phillies swoop in and sign him in free agency I hope.
shoewizard
seems to me the Dodgers need starting pitching more than they need Machado. They have a really good offense, but injuries have really taken a toll on their SP depth. But maybe they are just intent on playing keep away from the Dbacks. If thats the case then I’m glad the D Backs are getting a lot of ink as a team that is going after him. Helps drive up the price for the Dodgers. On another note, I’ve been heavily invested in the D backs going after Machado too of course. But I am beginning to rethink that as the sample size of his defense continues to grow and he continues to rack up huge negative numbers at short stop.
DannyQ3913
Just wait Phillies, don’t do anything dumb
Cardinals17
Would still look good, at the right trade, to see Machado in a Cardinal uniform for the rest of the season, to right the ship in 2018.
Caseys.Partner
What’s are the odds on Machado being a Phillie next year?
Machado was being cheered last night in Philly when he came up to bat.
PopeMarley
And that means absolutely positively nothing!!!
Lance
Rent-a-player deals can work great for the team getting that one piece. The Sabathia deal was a very good one for Milwaukee. CC was great for the Brewers going 11-2 and pitching them into the playoffs. The guys Cleveland got didn’t amount to much. But the Indians were going nowhere that year and they couldn’t keep CC so the deal made sense.
Polish Hammer
Yeah Michael Brantley is a bum, wonder what he’s up to these days? BTW Milwaukee almost singlehandedly ruined CC by overworking him as they tried to milk every drop out of the time 5hey had him under contract.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
CC’s reply to being asked if he could go on short rest during that playoff chase was ‘GIVE ME THE D&MN BALL!’
Any ruining would have been as much his own fault as it would have been brewers management.
PopeMarley
“Milwaukee almost singlehandedly ruined CC by overworking him as they tried to milk every drop out of the time they had him under contract” yea he was so ruined after signing with the Yankees he only averaged 18 wins the next five years.
Polish Hammer
You’re right, on those teams he should’ve been averaging over 20 wins a season before he fell apart in his early 30s.
bobtillman
Manny to the Marlins, a perfect fit. Or maybe the Rays. But seriously, if they get a Dustin May for Machado (throw in a couple of lottery tickets if you must) they should grab it.
Doc44
He’s overrated. You don’t need him
Stantonfan115
Lol On what planet is Manny Machado overrated because it certainly isn’t this one.
SupremeZeus
IMO, the Dbacks make the most sense trading for Machado, but do they have the prospects? Their window is this season (if you can call it that), Pollock and Corbin will sign elsewhere next season, Greinke & Goldy aren’t getting any younger + Hazen has all but telegraphed this move since the winter. I don’t see the Dodgers or Indians making this trade for the previously stated reasons. The O’s didn’t like the Dbacks offer in the winter and I suspect that they still don’t like the snakes offer (prospects) and are hoping someone else will jump in. Ultimately I think the Dbacks get him though imo they will miss the playoffs.
johnk
A rental not worth good prospects unless it helps you win the World Series.
Lance
all a GM can do is get the players necessary to make the playoffs. even had the Dodgers rallied to win the WS last year, the trade the Astros made to get Verlander was worth it. He was 5-0 in the stretch run and 4-0 in the AL playoffs. He was 0-1 in the World Series but so what? All the players Detroit got are still in the minors but even if they all become stars, the trade was worth it for Houston….even had they not won the series. .
wrigleywannabe
Is this Obvious Day?
Z-A 2
Baseball has largely been all about the bottom line, he who offers the most gets the guy. So dont trade for him if you are the Phillies, just back up the brinks truck. Trade for pitching.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Cubs dont need Machado. They need a bullpen arm.
wrigleywannabe
Dont nee either. They need under performing starters to pitch better.
Byron J Kelley
Agreed. And while I would love to see the Cubs add him to their team, I don’t think they have any more players that they would be willing to part with to make the trade. I think it’s better to wait until the off-season to try and sign him long term as I like his potential more than Bryce Harper’s.
doxiedevil
As a Brave faithful since 1959 I hope they have enough sense to hold on to the prospects and seek some bullpen help. Machado is a great player but in 2019 he will play for a big market team willing to pay him upwards to 300 million.
If a prospect is traded get some arm in return, Braves have enough hitting if the pitching hols up.
elmore80
Would any Braves fans trade Swanson for Machado and Givens?
XYZ ROY HOBBS
I CAN see Philly making this happen, while they are rebuilding, they are def in the mix of landing a wild card spot. With Machado they will have that bat to add more W’s. He is consistent!