There has been significant movement on the market for closers, leaving the Rays with an interesting trade piece in Alex Colome. But while the team is receiving ongoing interest in the controllable young hurler, it’s not moving off of a “price they believe is appropriately high,” Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets. Moving Colome would put a dent in the team’s 2017 hopes, Rosenthal notes, and it seems fair to say that the organization’s other recent moves do not suggest that the organization has any intentions of packing it in before reaching Spring Training. It still seems much more likely that the club will deal a starter; Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times recently provided the latest on that front, suggesting that one of Drew Smyly, Alex Cobb, and Erasmo Ramirez may be more likely to be dealt than are Chris Archer and Jake Odorizzi.
- The Mariners have been talking with both the Rays and the Reds about starters, Jon Morosi of MLB Network reports on Twitter. Seattle has been said to be hunting for one more rotation piece, and it’s not surprising to see these two particular organizations mentioned. Tampa Bay, as noted, has long been expected to consider trading out of its staff; the M’s could conceivably have interest in just about any of the pitchers listed above. And while we haven’t heard much in the way of specifics from Cincinnati, it stands to reason that the club would at least weigh offers for pitchers such as Anthony DeSclafani and Dan Straily.
- The Tigers and Cubs have been in contact about left-handed reliever Justin Wilson, tweets Morosi, although he notes that it’s unclear whether there’s any momentum. Detroit acquired Wilson last winter in a trade that sent Chad Green and Luis Cessa to the Yankees, and while Wilson didn’t have the year the Tigers likely envisioned (4.14 ERA in 58 2/3 innings), there were plenty of positive indicators in the 29-year-old’s results. Wilson turned in a career-best 10.0 K/9 and career-low 2.6 BB/9 in his 58 2/3 frames out of the Detroit ’pen, and he also notched a career-high 54.9 percent ground-ball rate.
- Before landing Adam Eaton, the Nationals approached the Rangers about a deal to acquire infielder Jurickson Profar, Rosenthal reports (Twitter links). Washington was reputedly interested in utilizing Profar at shortstop, which would have meant keeping Trea Turner in center field, but moved on when Texas requested righty Joe Ross in return. It’s certainly not clear whether the Nats would have preferred to work something out on Profar rather than acquiring Eaton, but it’s nevertheless interesting to learn of the discussions. If nothing else, it represents one of the first suggestions we’ve heard of a team approaching the Rangers about the 23-year-old, a former top prospect who is now one of the more hard-to-peg potential trade chips in baseball. He has been thrust into a utility role after dealing with significant shoulder issues, and hit just .239/.321/.338 in 307 plate appearances last year. Further, despite his relatively scant MLB experience (184 total games), Profar has already racked up over three years of service time. But the prospect pedigree is second to none, and he has shown flashes of his talent in the upper minors and (in stretches) in the majors.
beaubeadreaux
I really hope the Cubs don’t go ahead with this trade unless it’s for Sczuzur or another low guy. I hope it’s more of a feeler to see what Verlander would cost. “Hey Al, it’s Theo. What’s Justin Wilson going to cost me? Well for that much I’ll just take both Justin’s. Thanks. Bye” Hand up & send out press release
dewssox79
:rolleyes:
snewbanks31
you’re an idiot lol. Justin Wilson would probably cost a mid level prospect in A+ or AA.
bencole
Yep snewbanks, and I wouldn’t pay more than that. And I don’t really want Verlander at this point. Yeah he had a good year, but it’ll probably be some good and some awful like it’s been the last few years
stryk3istrukuout
To be honest, Verlander would probably thrive in the NL
oldleftylong
Verlander is one of those freaks who’ll be good up ’til 40.
chaffed_nutsack
In the last 8 years Verlander has had just ONE with an ERA above 3.50…. what are you talking about??
thor would look better in red
you are nuts..
2009 3.48
2010 3.37
2011 2.40
2012 2.64
2013 3.46
2014 4.57
2015 3.38 granted only in 20 starts
2016 3.06
I see one year over 3.50 that is an ace
KB R.
That’s what they said about Greinke last offseason and look how “awesome” he was in the first year of his contract. So what you say about Verlander should be taken with a grain of salt.
KB R.
That doesn’t tell the whole story. Jake Arrieta had a 3.10 ERA I believe this year……. but for 2/3 of the season (June 1st-end of season) his ERA was 4.05. The 3 years prior to 2016 Verlander has not been Verlander of old like, and his stats got progressively worse each passing year. He had a great 2016, no doubt, but it doesn’t erase the struggle the 3 previous seasons, and at $28M/season yes, declining stats even at the level they were is struggling. He’s 34 and paid a ton of money…… why waste your resources on him? Makes NO sense.
hojostache
He isn’t David Price level of paying a high price for productivity, but between JV and Miggy…DET has a *ton* of money tied up for years to come.
Cam
Justin Wilson is worth a smidgen more than a kid with less than half a chance to turn out like Justin Wilson.
beaubeadreaux
I’m not saying he isn’t worth more. I was saying that’s all I’d want to give up for a him. I don’t want to trade anymore players for BP arms.
stymeedone
Obviously, Justin Wilson, being an established lefty who can get hitters from both sides of the plate out, will cost more than a mid level prospect. If you haven’t been paying attention, lefty relievers have been signing for top dollars. That makes trade value increase as well. He was the second reliever behind K-Rod. Compare him to Bret Cecil.
beaubeadreaux
I know he’s worth more. I’m saying I hope the Cubs don’t burn more trade pieces for another RP. They need 2 SP next year. If they are trading with DET it should be for Verlander, not more BP arms. I was meaning I only like the trade unless they decide to take low players, which I doubt they would
csamson11
I remember posting about a Cubs trade for Wilson last year around this time but of course that didn’t happen. I believe he’d cost more than an AA guy, but I could see a trade with Szczur involved as either he or Almora will not be on the MLB roster this year if the Cubs go with their projected 8 man bullpen. It certainly wouldn’t hurt to have more than one lefty this year, and they are going for depth anyways.
tim815
Almora should be in Iowa if he won’t be getting regular time in Chicago.
Dem’s de breaks, kid.
And Szczur would be traded for the first piece that Team Theo really values in return. But, not until then.
Red Ivy
Almora will get chances this season. We will find out if he’s an everyday player or not at some point this year.
KB R.
Why the f**k do you want Verlander? Is this the homer portion of the Cubs fanbase new pointless desire? I seriously am ashamed to be associated with a good portion of Cubs fans. When other fanbases ridicule Cubs fans….. this is what they ridicule. I can’t blame them…. I ridicule it.
Let’s break down the stupidity.
“I really hope the Cubs don’t go ahead with this trade unless it’s for Sczuzur or another low guy.”
That’s about what it would cost…… why you’d think it would cost more is beyond me. Even if it did, what is “more?” If you think he’d cost a top tier prospect you truly are clueless. This trade would be wonderful and EXACTLY what I have predicted/hoped for if they were to pull it off. I was thinking they need to still sign either one of Blevins, Logan, Dunn, or Howell OR make a trade for a higher quality LHRP. I was thinking maybe them pulling off a deal for Sean Doolittle, but this will do just as well. Any quality LHRP is all I was hoping for. Unless fans like beaubeadreaux think Brian friggin Duensing and Rob Zastryzny is all the left handed pitching we need in the pen……. smh. Duensing is pretty much Clayton Richard just in a different human form. Signing one of the mentioned free agent relievers or making a trade for a quality LHRP solidifies one of the two LHRP slots in the pen with Zastryzny and Duensing COMPETING for the other, because that’s what pitchers of their experience and caliber are supposed to be doing…… not just get handed a roster spot. Zastryzny is too young to just be handed a spot on the 25 man roster, and Duensing is barely major league worthy talent IMO.
“I hope it’s more of a feeler to see what Verlander would cost. ”
WHAT?!?! Because Justin Wilson and Justin Verlander are on par with each other and have similar resumes I guess. Usually to gauge what a team wants for a player they either just 1) ask what they want for said player, not pu**y foot around, or 2) see what a similar player would cost on said team. A left handed reliever is in no way shape or form remotely close to Justin Verlander….. the ACE OF THEIR STAFF!!!! Morons. Also, why do you want Verlander and his $28M/season salary? He’s a mid 30s aged starter being paid a ton of money…….. pretty much the exact opposite the Cubs’ front office has stated they are looking for in a starter – a long term controllable, young, cheap starting pitcher……. not a SP on the back end of his career making top dollar. Stupid on multiple fronts.
If you think wilson will be too expensive what exactly do you think Wilson AND Verlander will cost? You claim you want both but I guarantee you’d be the first one on here if said trade were to happen that Hoyer and Theo are idiots for trading away the farm for a left handed specialist in the pen and for an aging veteran on the back end of his career. That’s why fans like you are annoying. You want trades that are 1) not even rumored to be in the making, and 2) in the rare event that said crazy proposed trades do happen you get pissy that they cost too much in prospects. Fans like you are never satisfied. You think a player like Verlander is in the same realm as Wilson, you have no clue on how to value players and it is laughable. “Wilson is a feeler to see what Verlander would cost….” hahahahaha. That makes so little sense all you can do is laugh at it. That’s like saying a team offers a deal for Hector Rondon to get a “feeler” on Jon Lester’s cost. Whaaaaaa? Makes no sense.
Cubs are rumored to be interested in low cost guys like Tyson Ross and this dude thinks they’re in the market for Justin Verlander. No sense on two fronts because those are two completely different levels of pitchers and I really haven’t heard much of their even being a market for Verlander. If the Tigers were actively shopping him you’d hear about it constantly on this site. Vrlander has $84-106 MILLION left on his deal pending if option year vests. And he’s 34 years old. Not only would he be the highest paid player on the Cubs, but also the oldest…… and to get him would cost at LEAST one top prospect among other prospects……. pretty much the antithesis of what Hoyer and Theo’s plan has been for the last 5 years. Only way they break the prospect-bank in a trade for a SP is if it is in the form of Chris Archer or Quintana. Since the Sox refuse to deal with the Cubs that pretty much leaves Archer as the only SP the Cubs would bust their nut on, and from what TB is asking for him….. he ain’t going anywhere any time soon.
stymeedone
I think you need to switch to decaf, and work on your brevity.
beaubeadreaux
Szczur isn’t getting Justin Wilson & if you think it is then you’re the delusional Cubs fan you just ranted about. I was actually just joking around about taking Verlander also. But since you ask why would they want him. He’s a proven ace, & while his salary is high, it’s only for 3 more years (4 with an option). In case you didn’t get the memo, the Cubs are in need of pitching next year. Signing a top FA will cost at least 5-6 years of big money, which is when Bryant, Russell, Schwarber, Hendricks, etc. will be reaching FA. Verlander would give them a good bridge until the wave of arms is ready. This is the plan that Theo & Hoyer actually layed out if you would of actually listened instead of being internet tough guy/jackass know-it-all. Also hate to break it to you but you’re not getting a young cost-controlled FA unless Baez or Schwarber are traded. Happ & Jimenez haven’t proved enough yet to headline a deal on their own. Unless you want to empty the farm system, which is also contrary to what Theo & Jed have stated, you aren’t getting a cost controlled SP
MB923
tl;dr
dematteo42282
If im Seattle….id look at the Mets….one of Gsellman or Lugo….it was only a small sample size…but New York seems to properly groom these early to mid round drafted starting pitchers (rds 10-20) into quality back end mlb starting pitchers…..The Mets are looking for a bullpen arm……idk what Seattle has…..but its def something Id look into…..you gotta get creative and think outside the box a little bit
Freddie Morales
Mets are keeping both guys. Way too many questions with their rotation being healthy to trade them for relief pitchers
ExileInLA 2
I like Wheeler in the Miller role, too, if his arm can handle pitching every other day…
rmullig2
His arm can’t handle pitching every other year.
LADreamin
Had quite the hearty chuckle!
bsteady powers
If they’re so good at drafting and developing these pitchers, then they should have A plethora of minor league starters than can start their career in the bigs as a reliever, with measured success.
ExileInLA 2
Harvey, deGrom, Matz, Fulmer, Lugo and Gsellman were all drafted by the Mets and made MLB debuts in the pst 3 years. (Wheeler and Thor came in trades.).
What other organization has produced a full rotation (plus) in just 3 years?
dematteo42282
To lesser extents there is also Verrett…Bowman…Gant…Cessa…Mazzoni……all developed by the Mets and have pitched to different levels of success at the MLB level…..
dematteo42282
I sse that point and it does make sense…..but im sure new york would rather use a pitcher already in a relieving mindframe…esp since they plan on october baseball…..i was merely suggesting seattle uae that type of tactic inatead of relinquishing more experienced assets….the mets were just an example….
If im new york…..im trying to sign a Neftali Feliz….Joe Smith…Boone Logan…..and in Zack Wheelers case…with 3 plus pitches…use him out of the pen to build up his innings….if he excells…..keep him there…..if not….return to starting
hojostache
Totally agree about SEA (though I’d also add LAA, NYY, and a few other teams who are thin on decent options). The Mets should listen to all comers, though I really hope they hold only Gsellman because he showed glimpses of dominating stuff. Both guys were <3.00ERA in the stretch run last year, which is definitely positive. The problem the trading teams will run into is the Mets' fallback is moving one or both of those guys in the BP/swing man role. They are cheap, under control 5yrs, and we all know what happened to the Mets starting pitching depth last year.
As for Wheeler…he’ll be on an innings restriction, so the BP makes some sense. I’m not sure if BP work is good/bad for his elbow…I’ll defer to the docs/veteran pitchers for that end. I think his stuff will play up quite a bit in the BP. His issue is he isn’t efficient, so I’m not sure he could go back to back games…at least in the beginning.
ducksnort69
Rays and M’s have made some trades together in recent years. Makes sense. Could match up on something.
mrkinsm
The Reds would be more than happy to unload Bailey for a bag of balls, just to get out from under that contract. Though, I’m sure Seattle would have zero interest in a soon to be 31 year old pitcher whose managed to throw just 34 innings in the bigs over the past two seasons and is owed 68M$ over the next 3 seasons.
Though now that I think of it there were earlier links to Kazmir and McCarthy so who really knows?!
cubbiesn
Signing Travis Wood makes more sense than trading for Wilson. We wouldn’t have to give up anything (prospects or draft pick)
SuperSinker
Aside from being left handed neither share much in common. Wood BABIP’d his way to an artificially low ERA. Wilson is the much better bet to be an impact arm in 2017.
YourDaddy
Wilson would be a good fit for the Cubs. His ERA suffered in Detroit due to their mediocre infield defense. He is a ground ball pitcher who put up a very good 3.18 FIP and his BABIP was more than 40 points higher than his career average. That means the Tigers defense wasn’t making outs on enough balls in play. With the Cubs exceptional defense, his ERA should be much closer to his FIP of the past couple of seasons. He will be much cheaper than Wood would have been and he is under team control for two seasons.
In my opinion, it would be a mistake for the Mariners to trade for Straily. His ERA is in no way an indication of his performance. His FIP was about his career average at 4.88 and his BABIP was an unsustainable .242, 60 points lower than league average and 30 points lower than his career average. When it regresses to his career averages then his ERA will rise to his career averages.
lesterdnightfly
Wilson might indeed be good with the Cubs, but can he pinch hit, catch long drives in the ivy, and go barechested in the victory parade like Woody?
Mikel Grady
Ha ha Travis wood beast mode
yonniebob
Tigers don’t have a bad infield defense it’s probably one of the best, kinsler just won a gold glove and Iglesias is a wizard in the field.
MB923
Well it must have been bad when Wilson was on the mound considering he had a .340 BABIP which was the 2nd worst on the team
By the way, the Tigers as a team had -56 DRS which was the 2nd worst in all of baseball. Their -4.9 UZR/150 ranked 25th, One of the best at 2B and SS as you mentioned but also one of the worst at 3B, and the 2nd worst OF.
GarryHarris
2B Ian Kinsler and 1B Miguel Cabrera made up a pretty good right side infield defense. SS Jose Inlesias was not 100% and his range was not very good. 3B Nick Castelanos may have the least range of any 3B in MLB. He has even less range than Kung Fu Panda. Justin Upton was good in LF and JD Martinez can be good in RF. I think they should swap ends of the OF. The Tigers need a super defensive CF to play everyday. I don’t mean an Anthony Gose type but more a Delino DeShields type.
braves4life1
Braves, Dodgers, White Son Trade….
Dodgers get: Quintana and Markakis
Braves get: Puig and Frazier
White Sox get: Wisler, De Leon, Belldinger, Newcomb, and A. Garcia
Acuña Matata
…. No
NineChampionsips
again with the markakis trades. Wtf are you smoking.
lesterdnightfly
Wouldn’t work. White Sox already have an A. Garcia (Avisail) so they’d say “Got one already.”
And Belldinger is busy collecting for the Salvation Army these days.
sngehl01
lol. why do people get on here and spout of stupid crap? Dodgers gonna give up Puig, De Leon, and Bellinger for Quintana, especially when they are already super deep with pitching. Yeah… ok….
braves4life1
You have to think the Dodgers and Braves could combine enough prospects to give the White Sox what they need in prospects to move Quintana.
The Dodgers would be crazy not to add a player like Quintana. Its no secret that Markakis would be a better option in RF over Puig whom the Dodgers moved down to AAA last season.
The Braves get another slugger they desperately need in Frazier, if they can agree to a long term contract. Puig definitely needs a change of scenery, and the Braves will give him every opportunity to be their RF.
If the White Sox are good on the prospects, why wouldn’t the Dodgers and Braves like this deal??
dodgerjon
Puig & Kemp on the same team will not work. Problems in the clubhouse. That’s just for starters…
Bruin1012
Because nobody wants Markakis.
sngehl01
Only a Braves fan would think Markakis carries any kind of value like this.
If the Dodgers wanted a cheap replacement in RF over Puig, they would have just pursued/signed a guy like Josh Reddick.
Bellinger/De Leon are too integral to their future. De Leon is in the rotation now.
Quintana has been very consistent for 4 years, but you have to value him as a 4 WAR pitcher. He had never eclipsed a 4.0 WAR until this season, at 5.2 or something.
Q is very good, he’s not a staff ace.
Kershaw, Hill, Maeda, Urias as a 1-4, McCarthy, Kazmir, De Leon, Ryu as #5 starter options.
Exactly why should they part with two of their top prospects + Puig for Quintana?
They have Kershaw, Ryu, Urias, Hill, Kazmir who are all already lefties. 4 of those guys are pretty much a lock for the rotation as of now.
It makes no sense whatsoever for LAD to do this. None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
Bruin1012
Like I said I’m not saying the Dodgers should or would do that trade but if they wanted Q it would cost Deleon and Bellinger plus and that’s what the White Sox would want. Q would be there second best pitcher right away and you are really going to rely on that rotation cmon even Kershaw has had some injury issues and Urias will still be on innings limits. The white Sox will get a very good package for Q from someone.
Bruin1012
Oh and by the way Q is way closer to a 5 War pitcher then 4. He has averaged 4.9 the last 3 years and he is young he will probably be a 5 war pitcher the next few years barring injury.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Why wouldn’t they add Markakis? Well they can’t move Ethier who has 10-5 and 18M so that’s the main reason. They also probably would be better off to try and find a switch hitter or RH to address their current woes against LH especially considering the Giants are extremely loaded on that front. So there’s that
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
They already said Bellinger is all but untouchable. So I don’t even envision them parting with Bellinger. I can see them parting with DeLeon, Verdugo and Calhoun though. But that’s where the problem lies how do they fix their 2B problems and fit in Q. I just don’t see it. And no Lawrie in no way is the answer( I only say that because people are going to throw it out there). So unless they can unload Kaz and McCarthy in the same package which would make no sense on the White Soxs part it’s all but a pipe dream.
Bruin1012
I don’t think hey will address this problem in the offseason they will begin the season with what they have in the rotation and then address if they have injury problems. Who knows maybe they will get lucky this year with their rotation.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Which is understandable I still think Urias and DeLeon will be started late and will start at AAA. Especially considering innings limit and super 2 ramifications.
Bruin1012
That’s about what it would take to get Q straight up. He is going to cost just a little less then Sale but not much. Q would be an upgrade on any pitcher the Dodgers have except Kershaw of course. The Dodgers have a lot fragility in their rotation so they would be smart to kick the tires on Q.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Q would be nice but I’m guessing they have more pressing needs at 2nd and RF. That being said don’t look for the Dodgers to drain the farm. It’s extremely hard for me to see them trading Bellinger as he provides the positional flexibility and athleticism the FO covets. They also have so much tied into McCarthy, Kaz, and Ryu who can’t be optioned and they probably aren’t willing to eat the whole salary so unless they can trade them roster spots are at a premium.
Bruin1012
If the Dodgers are relying Hill, McCarthy,Katz and Ryu they are in trouble talk about the fragile hall of fame. You are probably right if I am the White Sox I just hold Q until the inevitable injuries happen. Most likely that will be the Dodgers with those fragile arms.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
I’m not saying they are going to rely on the three I’m just saying they aren’t going to eat the contract on three although Ryu’s isn’t crippling. What I am saying is they probably go into ST trying to show Kaz and McCarthy are healthy if they can’t move the two. But yes the dodgers could come calling at the deadline. Although I question if the prospects will be there considering they’ll probably obtain a 2b through trade.
Bruin1012
So who thinking Dozier he will be expensive.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Well he will be expensive but I’m not even sold that the twins want to trade him.
dazedatnoon
I’d like to see…
Cubs get Nate Jones
Sox get Jeimer Candelario, Justin Steele
Nationals get David Robertson
Sox get Pedro Severino, Juan Soto
Mets get Dan Jennings, Angel Perdomo
Toronto gets Jay Bruce
Sox get Rowdy Tellez
SuperSinker
What does Toronto stand to gain? 1 year of a replacement level outfielder for Tellez Perdomo? Keep trying.
A'sfaninUK
These MLB The Show-type deals pretty much never happen in MLB, its so asinine to come up with them. Its only fun for the user, not the reader. I do these all the time, do I post them? No.
lesterdnightfly
Thank you for your Restraint of Send Button. Much appreciated !
jdgoat
No way Toronto does that
stymeedone
Justin Wilson was lights out for the Tigers for 2/3 of the year. Then he tweaked something and went into a bad spell, giving up the long ball. Other than that stretch, he has been the most comparable pitcher to Andrew Miller for the last two years. I hardly think that would cost only a mid level prospect.
Twentyone21
Yeah I don’t get all these rumors about Wilson. If we can’t unload payroll then that means we are in win now mode and Wilson would be a valuable piece to the puzzle.
A'sfaninUK
Uh, did you really just say Wilson was better than Jansen and Chapman? Because that’s obviously not true at all.
stymeedone
Where did I say that? Read it again.
Twentyone21
I wouldn’t hate if the Tigers traded Daniel Norris for Profar. I don’t see it happening, but Profar could play some center this year and take over for Kinsler when he’s gone or force Iggy to move to second.
stymeedone
You don’t trade a hard throwing left handed starter for a post injury Profar and then play him at a position he hasn’t played. Romine put up comparable numbers offensively, and didn’t embarrass himself in CF. May as well go with that and keep Norris, who has 2 additional years of control over Profar. The Tigers could get a healthy CF prospect with 6 years of control if they wanted to move Norris.
Bald Vinny
Might as well just hold on to Wilson, Detroit is never going to get back as much as they gave up for him in Green and Cessa. They’re going to regret that trade for years.
jdgoat
Probably not. Green and Cessa will more than likely be slightly above average at best.
A'sfaninUK
At this point, the White Sox should trade Quintana for Gallo, Profar and whoever else, just to have as many top 10 prospects of the last 3 years on the roster.
sngehl01
lol. Puke, puke, puke. I don’t think Q has as much trade value as the Sox are demanding, but this is just awful.
nookster
Gotta love when a team targets the likes of the Reds/Rays for a trade. You know they’re thinking- ‘maybe these guys won’t be such a pain to deal with’.
It’s like in Monopoly when the game is going well for you and not for others, then you start to offer to buy their properties when they’re in trouble. It’s exactly like that!
braves4life1
Let me ask you guys this, if the Braves were to throw in Jace Petersen in the deal and help the Dodgers at 2nd, would that make all you wet-hole Dodger fans happy?
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
What good is Peterson lol. He doesn’t help the Dodgers. But in all seriousness the dodgers aren’t looking for markakis and Pederson it doesn’t fill their needs. That’s adding two LH hitters to an already heavy LH linerup. They already have Ethier who will slot in RF and I still honestly don’t see them trading Bellinger. And let’s be honest Ethier isn’t waiving his 10-5 and no one is taking his salary.
Bruin1012
Nobody wants Markakis my god every deal that Braves fans come up with has Markakis in it no one wants that guy he basically replacement level.
muggs
Verlander+Wilson for Happ, Candelario, Cease, Zagunis, Martinez
Pull the trigger.
KB R.
Stupid. Just stupid. And my fellow Cub fans wonder why no other fanbase respects us. I can hardly stand Cub fans and I’m one of them. Verlander is a waste of time, money, and prospects and is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the front office is looking for. Yet there are moronic cub fans out there clamoring for him….. despite there really being no rumored market for Verlander in the first place. These are the same “intelligent” fans who wanted to see Fowler get re-signed…… and a few years ago who were yearning for the Cubs to hire Ryne Sandberg as manager. These are what you call “homer” fans.
muggs
Speaking of “intelligence”, it’s sarcasm, buddy. Are the Cubs going to trade 5 of their top ~10 prospects? No. And $28MM for a 36-yo Verlander? No thanks. It was the over-hyped “take the farm!” that I was going for.
But 2016 was maybe the 3rd best year of his career — and they’re definitely hoping for a taker.
stymeedone
Since JV has a full no trade clause, I think “definitely hoping for a taker” would not be the way to phrase it. I think they realize both his, and Miggy’s contract will have to play out.
beaubeadreaux
Did you get touched at the Wrigley urinal by a guy in a Verlander jersey or something? Verlander is 33 & only has 3/84 left with an option for a 4th @ 22mm. For a top SP that’s about normal. The thinking is that if a team takes on his whole contract, they can give a lower prospect package. While $84mm is a lot, it’s only for 3 yrs, which gives the Cubs time to get their prospects ready. All the FA pitchers are going to cost more money & years, which could effect the core being resigned.