Some items from around baseball as we head into a new week…
- The Yankees are widely considered the favorites to sign Aroldis Chapman, though not if the closer’s market reaches five years and $100MM, George A. King III of the New York Post reports. One would think the dollar figure rather than the contract length would be the sticking point for the Yankees, as Chapman (who turns 29 in February) has long been expected to land at least a five-year deal this winter. MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes predicts Chapman to land five years and $90MM, and would still set a new record high for a reliever contract even if it falls short of nine figures. (Dierkes also has Chapman signing with the Yankees.)
- Also from King, the Yankees similarly aren’t interested in a five-year deal with Edwin Encarnacion. New York has checked in with Encarnacion but also with Carlos Beltran, who would come at a much lower price in both years and dollars. Several other first base/DH types with lower price tags than Encarnacion have also been speculatively linked to the Yankees as well this offseason. It’s unclear whether any team would be willing to guarantee five years to Encarnacion, who is entering his age-34 season.
- If the new collective bargaining agreement expands rosters to 26 players, several general managers speculated to Peter Gammons of GammonsDaily.com that teams could often use that extra man for spot starts. While not an official sixth starter, teams could call up a spot starter to give extra rest to the rotation or perhaps just one veteran starter in particular. Another GM speculates that teams could use that extra roster spot to develop an Andrew Miller-esque reliever who can pitch multiple innings.
- The bulk of Gammons’ latest column examines the challenges Diamondbacks GM Mike Hazen faces with his new team. One of those issues looks to be improving relations between management and the clubhouse — “players who were Diamondbacks may be unfair when they tell people that the D’Backs are the team that hates players, but it’s the reputation,” Gammons writes.
- Rookies played a big role in the Dodgers’ NL West title, particularly due to the number of injuries suffered by the team. President of baseball operations Andrew Friedman tells Baseball America’s Bill Plunkett that his club had a “number of fingerprints” on its success and credits manager Dave Roberts with his deft handling of these young and mostly inexperienced players. “A great byproduct of the change and shift that we saw this year on the major league side with (Roberts) and his coaches was to be able to provide that soft landing spot, that environment where guys can come up and thrive and not be afraid to compete, to be put in positions to be able to succeed,” Friedman said. According to Plunkett, rookie players accounted for 21.3% of Dodgers plate appearances and 29.6% of the team’s innings in 2016.
Mikel Grady
Then yanks won’t get him . 5/100 will be offered by multiple teams
EndinStealth
I don’t think he gets 1 offer of 5/100. He’ll fall short of the 100 mark. A closer, no matter how good you are isn’t worth that figure.
stryk3istrukuout
I tend to agree, but throwing 100+ mph, being a lefty, and his spotless track record definitely changes the dynamic. I would say if anyone were capable of that kind of contract it would be him given the high price paid for elite relievers these last few years. The one blemish could be his drop in strikeout rate last year which seemed to be due to the move to the AL. With all that the Giants have put into a contender coupled with a bullpen apparently devoid of ability, it’s conceivable that they come out of the woodwork and desperately outbid for his services. Can’t imagine what his numbers would be like in AT&T park.
davidcoonce74
“Spotless track record” is pretty funny.
stryk3istrukuout
How so? There is a reason he’s considered the best closer.
theo2016
domestic ciolence
stryk3istrukuout
Okay, well I’m referring to performance. That issue is in the rearview mirror for teams at this point. Stellar numbers, won a world series, no steroids.
ripperlv
In 10 years we’ll be saying no closer is worth 5/200.
DavidLee69
Dumbest comment I’ve seen on MLBTR yet…
dobsonel
How is it a dumb comment? A closer only pitches 50 + innings of baseball (most while his team already has the lead) yet you are arguing that he deserves 10% of the team’s total salary in a big market and 20%+ in a small market? That’s a lot of cash locked up in only 50 + innings.
adamontheshore
Ya, I agree. That’s an absurd amount of money for a closer, especially one who is pretty much a one inning pitcher. I know Chapman pitched a few multi-inning games in the WS, but he wasn’t lights out.
One Fan
He will have zero 100 million dollar offers
Dynasty
No way he signs for $100m. He’ll get a ton of 5/$80 deals and then will ultimately sign for 5/$85m somewhere. He may get a deal that approaches $100m (like maybe $92m or something) but it’ll be with some garbage team that he doesn’t want and he’ll decline.
Mikel Grady
Keep in mind I’m thinking as a cub fan. For regular season he doesn’t bring 20 mil value. It’s postseason that he brings the value. Cubs never even make World Series let alone win it without chapman. Cubs sold 74 million in merchandise in 24 hrs after World Series. They made it right back off him. They rode him like a horse in playoffs. As far as injuries he’s pitched how long now without getting hurt? Always have that fear with pitcher. Nats still signed Strasburg long term. I still feel like it or not someone pays him 5/100. More fun when he pitches for you than against you.
CubsFanForLife
Chapman is more valuable in the postseason for sure, but he still made me nervous on many occasions. I forget the exact stat, but he surrendered a lot of inherited runners when brought in the 7th and 8th innings. I didn’t think he was as dominant as he’s regarded.
I think Maddon abused Chapman’s arm in the playoffs, and I’m curious how that will impact the longevity of his arm. It’s amazing, too, like they knew that win or lose, they wouldn’t be re-signing Chapman (they still technically can, but I think it’s unlikely given Jed Hoyer’s comments), so you may as well just throw him out there as much as you can.
andrewgauldin
I guess Gammons speaks for the 25 guys wearing D-Backs uniforms….
One Fan
Gammons usually talks like he knows things but I find him to ne just an average “expert”
davidcoonce74
It’s been out there for years among people who follow baseball. Hopefully the new GM will create a different culture within that organization.
Deke
Chapman, Chapman, Chapman… This whole dance is the fun part of the off season.
Chapman is worth what someone pays for him. Just because *WE* might not think it’s worth it, he will get something decent and there will be people saying that a team overpaid and complain about everything else they can think of. I don’t mind this, I just want people to give me reasons why they think Chappers is or isn’t worth the money and if they would sign someone else instead.
nj23nut
I would much rather see the Yanks trade for someone like David Robertson than sign Chapman. One of the arms in the minors cam be turned into a closer if D-Rob can’t regain his form. Severino perhaps?
gmflores27
D Rob isn’t worth it with his big contract, might as well take Aroldis
dobsonel
Acevedos, Tate, Abreu, and Guzman could also be future possibilities.
One Fan
Most of the comments were that he will not get those offers from ballclubs it does not matter what you think he is worth its an opinion of what the “we” think the teams will pay. Its a guess obviously.
Mrivers
Think Yanks will do all they can to get Chapman as they have nowhere else to turn other than Melancon, I guess. Also, they should pass on Beltran, quit while we’re ahead, chances are next year won’t be the same.
seamaholic 2
Umm … Dellin Betances on the red courtesy phone …
start_wearing_purple
I won’t bother predicting Chapman’s worth. But I do wonder what a player who pitches less than 72 innings a season should be paid.
yankeesharambe
He was suspended in april, but I agree.
Deke
I agree too. I’ve heard ex closers (who got to become setup men) say “It doesn’t matter what inning I pitch, just so long as I pitch. It’s just as important to shut a team down in the 8th as it is the ninth”. I know throwing to protect a close game in the ninth is way more stressful but man… still a lot of money.
basilisk4
Anyone who gives Chapman a five-year deal is nuts, but I guess teams will just keep giving players stupidly long contracts until they finally learn.
costergaard2
5 isn’t too bad for a 29 year old, but I hear you. I’m terrified to sign anyone 34 for more than 3 years max…
Cardinals17
I’d be afraid to give any closer huge, lengthy contracts. They are throwing as hard as they can when they pitch. That generally leads to earlier shoulder and elbow injuries. While Chapman is the most well known for his 103 mph fastball, how many of those flame throwing pitchers complete 4-5 years without injury??? While he is dominant right now, I’d be reluctant to pay that much money because of the possible and inevitable injuries of the future.
Deke
Very good point. I wonder if a team decides they are going to eat a portion of that, or think they will get 3 years as a closer and 2 as a setup man?
I’m wondering if anyone can think of a modern day closer that did that job for more than say 7 years? I can think of a lot that did well for a few years and then tanked pretty quickly.
ssowl
Francisco Rodriguez has been so dependable. He set up for a year as well.
notagain27
Chapman’s delivery is free and easy, there is no “max effort” to attain 103 mph. I can easily see him being the top closer in baseball for the next five years. He will get a five year deal with the dreaded outright clause from someone. The only thing hurting his chances of a five year deal is he has some competition with Jansen.
Francisco
May be free and easy but he won’t sustain that. If he looses a few ticks off fastball he will be another pitcher throwing in high 90’s who will be hittable. That maybe a few years out. But Yankees don’t think that far ahead.
jb226
That is a fair point. We saw his velocity dip just a few MPH in the World Series (I think he was still right around 100) when he was used so heavily, and he became a much, much more hittable pitcher.
Now maybe something else was going on–for example, maybe his command also suffered along with the velocity drop–and it wouldn’t be a problem to lose a tick or two off his fastball. Or maybe it was exclusively the result of the unexpected workload that caused him to become hittable and not specifically the drop in MPH. And of course, maybe, as many pitchers do, Chapman could adjust to a loss in velocity and find a way to still be highly effective if that day comes.
Still something that should give any team contemplating a five year deal pause.
ripcookies
Chapman imo will give yanks discount in order to sign cespedes, his fellow countryman. I mean I can wish right.
ripcookies
Do think it’s a little pricy for a closer or any pitcher at that. You should only be getting 100 million contracts as a pitcher if a) you have won a cy young or b) are guaranteed to win cy young or a World Series game 7 in the next 3 years. I’m not a gm, but I love to gamble, so wth that background, the odds of a pitchers health and dominance staying above average are terrible.
Enarxis
Yanks had Miller, Betances, Chapman in 2016. Can I heard a:
Betances, Chapman, Jansen ????
vonjunk
The DBacks early years with Jerry Colangelo they were a player friendly group.
When Kendrick bought the team I would say that continued until the Byrnes-Dipoto time. They were strictly into the numbers who fired favorite Bob Melvin and hired Hinch (who didn’t go down so well).
With Towers-TLR I don’t imagine players felt too bad to play for the team? It’s almost like he looked at an old report from 6 years ago.
As a fan of the team the dysfunction is more between upper management and ownership. That’s where Hazen has his toughest job, negotiating with Hall and Kendrick. Things like threatening to move from Chase Field, not giving GMs time to fulfill their vision, and not adding one dime after getting a huge TV deal that bother me most.
Example, last year saying they’re going all in, but when Pollock was injured just before the season they didn’t allow TLR to spend any more money to find a decent CFer.
Yes, stuck at $100m again this year with plans on that continuing. This isn’t how Colangelo won it all. It’s not like he signed Randy Johnson and called it a day.