JULY 13: As many as 10 teams have reached out to show interest in Pomeranz, Lin writes in an updated piece. Rival executives have suggested to Lin that the Padres are actively looking to move Pomeranz, although he notes that could be a matter of perception as opposed to an accurate representation of the Padres’ genuine interests. Changes to Pomeranz’s pitch mix in 2016 have some scouts convinced that his breakout is sustainable, Lin adds.
JULY 12: The Rangers are interested in Padres lefty Drew Pomeranz and have “done background work” on him, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Rosenthal also notes that the Rangers have considered many pitchers who seem to be available. Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune writes that he hears the same: Texas has indeed kicked the tires on Pomeranz. Lin points out that the Rangers originally drafted Pomeranz as a high schooler, but the lefty elected to go to college rather than sign as a 12th-round pick in 2007. Nonetheless, the Rangers have followed his big league career closely, Lin writes.
Pomeranz has lately been connected to the Red Sox, Orioles and Marlins, and the Padres have reportedly not ruled out dealing him. Two weeks ago, MLBTR’s staff weighed the pros and cons of a Pomeranz deal from the Padres’ perspective, with several MLBTR writers suggesting the Padres should consider keeping him, since he’s under control through 2018 (which means they’ll have opportunities to deal him in the future), and since trade partners might not pay a premium for him given his lack of a track record as a proven workhorse. Given the Padres’ struggles and Pomeranz’s strong season (2.47 ERA, 10.1 K/9, 3.6 BB/9), though, it’s easy to see why San Diego would at least consider dealing him.
Of course, just because the Padres will consider moving Pomeranz doesn’t mean that they’re actively shopping him. Within Lin’s piece above, he notes that Padres sources have previously told him that Pomeranz won’t be traded for anything less than a “substantial” return. He adds that GM A.J. Preller is quite infatuated with Rangers infielder Jurickson Profar, though it’s far from clear that the Rangers would entertain that type of swap. Profar has looked sharp in his return from a pair of season-ending shoulder injuries and is controllable for three years beyond this season, compared to Pomeranz’s two years of remaining control. If Profar is off limits, Preller undoubtedly possesses plenty of familiarity with alternative young talent; the second-year Padres general manager previously spent a decade working in the Texas front office and rising to the rank of assistant GM before being hired away by San Diego.
The Rangers have already reportedly shown interest in rotation options like Jake Odorizzi, Ervin Santana and Matt Moore, so it comes as no surprise that they would look into Pomeranz as well. The team currently has starters Yu Darvish, Derek Holland and Colby Lewis on its DL (although Darvish appears close to returning). The team has lately relied upon rotation options like Kyle Lohse, Cesar Ramos, Nick Martinez and Chi Chi Gonzalez, frequently with poor results.
I’d trade him now. His value ain’t getting much higher, and he should fetch some elite prospects
Its good that you think that. However teams seem to be hesitant to part with the elite prospects for him because he hasn’t thrown over 97 innings until this season
Fair but equally as fair is he hasn’t really been given an opportunity to throw over 100 inn+. until the Pads this year. It is unknown but that is different than he can’t.. I honestly think his value to the Pads is greater than anything they could get for him now.
He may not have been, but he’s been in the majors for a while, and it’s hard to expect a team to pay for him as a front of rotation arm with no idea on how he can do long term.
His value to the Pads is nutch. They won’t contend before he is a FA.
Contending teams will always trade elite prospects for elite pitching at the deadline.
But he’s not elite, that’s the thing. He’s just having a good start. Remember Ubaldo Jimenez a few years back?
Its not just a good start. He’s been trade bait his entire time and shown flashes like this before as a starter. He looks near elite now that he has a starting job locked up and he still has ceiling. The difference between him Teheran, and Hill versus truly elite is a track history, salary, and the elites like Hamel’s will cost a package of 5-7 viable prospects, while the forgoing three can probably be had for 2-4 with only a couple of highly rated prospects versus at least a handful out of a team’s top twenty.
agreed, he hasn’t shown nearly enough to be considered elite…
“he hasn’t thrown over 97 innings until this season”
2011 – 119.1
2012 – 147.1
2013 – 112.2
2014 – 115.1
2015 – 88.0
You might want to check your numbers or qualify the innings as MLB. The guy was drafted in 2010 and saw MLB action the next year, pretty darn amazing accomplishment there.
Any chance Hellickson and Cameron Rupp for Profar could happen? Rupp is really impressing at the plate and Hellickson’s a reliable innings eater whose sinker ball should play well in Arlington. Rangers get 2 upgrades for a guy they can’t get ABs. Thoughts?
Don’t see that happening. Rangers still consider Profar as if he is a top prospect (as well they should).
Then how long do they plan to have him riding the pine? Rupp has a lot of control left, an OPS over .800 and he has familiarity with Cole Hamels. He holds more value than people realize IMO.
They can work that out in the offseason. No need to not get full value just because you have a surplus of middle infield talent.
You can’t assume you’re gonna be “in it” every year. You need to go all in when it counts. Rupp would be a HUGE upgrade for this season (and beyond) while Hellickson adds depth to the rotation. He was a Rookie of the year in the AL
It’s been shown countless times that going all in doesn’t really move the % chance to win for a team all that much due to the variation that exists in the game of baseball.
He’s playing fairly regularly right now and there could be even more opportunities for him to play next season.
I bet Toronto regrets going all in last year. Gave up some great pieces to ultimately fail.
Hellickson winning AL ROY was forever ago and he followed it up with quite a few years of mediocrity
I don’t think the Jays are upset. They made their first postseason appearance since 1993.
The only player that may sting losing is Hoffman, and he was dealt for Tulo who came with lots of control..nobody in Toronto regrets making either the Tulo or the Price deal…
If they hadn’t made the moves, they may not have won last year. It gave them a better chance to get a championship, though it didn’t happen. They wouldn’t be complaining if they had the WS trophy, so no reason to complain at all. You go for it when the opportunity arises. KC gave up a lot for Cueto. It worked for them.
That just negates all of Pomeranz’s value depending on why type of market the team is in. Now you Piegan hole the type of returns based ok type of teams. Who can afford such a contract Bost,LA, NY. Well LA isn’t going to take on that contract again, NY has too many DH’s and Boston well Boston isn’t giving up anything close to worthwhile taking on that contract. Plus Boston still has mutiple bad contracts on the books.
A prospect that hits arbitration in 2017 and free agency in 2020.
Though .5 seasons of hellickson and a fringe regular catcher aren’t worth him.
It does seem like the Phillies and Rangers are a good trade fit again this year. What would be a fair return for Hellickson? Isn’t he basically the same as Mike Leake?
Leake had a better track record
Ya but last season had more available pitching
I don’t think the Rangers are set to give up on Profar. He could always be used at third to give Beltre days off and he could also get ABs in left or first. Plus Texas wants a starting catcher and not sure if Philly wants to rush Knapp or Alfaro to the Bigs yet. The Phillies should keep Rupp for now but a deal of Hellickson and one of Hector Neris, David Hernandez, and Jeanmar Gomez could get a prospect such as Travis Demeritte possibly.
If Profar was someone the Rangers were “set to give up on”, he wouldn’t have any value to another team. Its a simple concept: You give up something of value for something of value, that can help you more. Unless Profar is moving to the mound, he can be used to acquire value that can help them more. In the here and now, he’s just the utility fielder, with an extended injury history.
Profar will be a Ray, but it won’t be just for odorizzi. I suspect something else comes with him. Rays need SS help big time. Adames doesn’t profile there.
No way. Profar isn’t getting dealt for an innings eater that would most likely go back to being pretty bad in the AL. Profar for Pomeranz would be much more likely even though it’s hard to see them parting with Profar for a guy without much durability/proven sustained success.
Once again you (and everyone else) are overlooking Cameron Rupp’s inclusion. His 121 OPS+ is no joke (especially for a catcher). He has years of control left and his bat would play very nicely in Arlington.
Rupps a fit in Texas, but Hellickson isn’t getting moved for Profar. Put Velasquez or one of the actually-good young SPs in the deal and now you’re talking.
Profar is still just 23 years old. That in itself makes him still an elite trade piece.
Rupp isn’t Andrew Miller or Chapman, therefore teams won’t give up an elite prospect for him when they can give an elite prospect up for an even better RP. Also, Profar has seen consistent playing time. You won’t see him traded for a reliever. Perhaps a starter, and Helickson isn’t that type of starter.
Hey look guys, we’re apparently overlooking the fact that Dave Traverso isn’t aware that the Rangers aren’t in NEED of a catcher, although an upgrade would be nice. Seriously, the Rangers aren’t losing games right now because they aren’t able to score runs, they’re losing because they can’t prevent runs from being scored. Get with the program.
And Rupp isn’t even an everyday catcher, so you’d have to send more back than Hellickson to get Profar.
Profar has lost years of team control FYI during those years injured
Nonetheless, he still has 3 years of control after this season
Doesn’t help a rebuilding team much unless they think they will contend in 2-3 years. That doesn’t seem to fit the profile of the Padres.
Not sure about elite prospects. I think guys like Cordell are realistic. I would doubt Profar/Gallo/Brinson are really on the table for Pomeranz. Pretty nice year he is having though, would be nice to see if he could keep it going in Texas.
While obviously Profar/Mazara/Gallo types are off table, think Brinson is on the fringes. I actually wouldn’t mind a depth type deal with Rangers as the system has incredible depth. But at the least 1 of Ortiz/Tate/Mendez need to be involved, Cordell is a nice prospect, but doesn’t really move needle for Padres as the one place they are pretty much set for future is OF (and catcher). Obviously you don’t turn down an elite talent at OF, but good middle tier guys rather be pitchers or infielders
Why obviously? Elite starting pitchers with 2 years of control after this one don’t come cheap. If the Rangers decide that winning a championship means making the rotation lights out via trading Gallo they absolutely will part with him.
Not a chance on Gallo. If we wouldn’t include Gallo on Cole Hamels than we certainly won’t for Pomeranz.
Pomeranz ain’t anywhere in the realm of elite. If he’s still putting up these numbers a year from now, then he’s beginning to enter the conversation of very good pitchers. Still not elite at that point. Need more than.5 years of above average pitching to be considered even very good, much less elite.
Are you really calling Pomeranz elite?
No way the padres get Gallo unless it’s a three team trade where the Rangers get like Pomeranz, Norris, and maybe another good starter. The padres would probably also have to give up prospects to the other team involved, which wouldn’t be shocking since they may actually have a surplus of outfielders in the near future, they can’t move Kemp and Margot and Renfroe are almost ready.
Alrighty then. No deal! You aren’t going to get a better pitcher than Pomeranz without throwing in at least one blue chip prospect.
I remember you saying James Shields and money should get either Tim Anderson or Carson Fulmer or NO DEAL!
How about earlier this season when you wanted Profar and 2 other prospects for Derek Norris or NO DEAL!
It’s sad how little you know about baseball
I’ve forgotten more about baseball than you’ll ever know
So Sad
How about Demeritte, Mendez and Payano?
Yea sure, three elite prospects for a sub par starter and decent reliever. Lol
Three elite prospects? lol. None of those guys are elite, and I wouldn’t be interested from Padres perspective. And if you think Pomeranz is a sub par starter, then go find another sport to pay attention to.
As a Rangers fan, I think the Padres can get a little more than that. Maybe replace Payano with Cordell.
If we cant get an elite prospect id say keep him. We are stacked with outfield prospects. Brinson would be great but we dont need him. Only way i would do it is if we could package Norris with Pomeranz for Gallo or Profar which probably still isnt enough. If the Rangers want to go all in and trade one of those guys im sure they would have a lot more options.
Padres will trade him for the right offer, but they aren’t forced to. Look at what waiting to trade Kimbrel did, they got way more in the offseason then they would have at trade deadline.
Also the starting pitching market this deadline and offseason is thin so Pomeranz will garnish a lot of interest.
I feel like it would be a good love for the Padres to trade Pomeranz, especially to a team like the Rangers since Preller is very familiar with their farm system. Even if they don’t want to offer a top prospect now, maybe things will change once the deadline starts approaching, especially since the Rangers are contending this year.
I just don’t want to end up seeing them hold onto Pomeranz too long and he ends up coming back down to earth while losing a lot of trade value in the process. The Padres have been burned like that in the past (see Chase Headley) and they’d be wise to not be stuck in that same position again.
*good move
Sorry for the typo.
I think Tyson Ross is an example of why holding onto pitching is dicey
Yes the way they handled things with Ross this past offseason is another good example of what can happen when teams hold onto certain trade pieces too long.
I would think that Gallo would be Prellers number one target. Just my opinion.
Get the best deal you can, its a good time for it!
As much as id like the Padres and Rangers to work out a deal involving pomeranz and norris with us getting back Profar and a top pitching prospect plus a second decent prospect with a high ceiling by the deadline. I see Pomeranz value increasing more as he builds a full season. Hes a number 2 starter and a lefty at that. His arm doesnt have a big workload hes cheap and only 27. Plus opponents are hitting like .192 off him something like that not even kershaw can say that. In my opinion hes def worth an investment wouldnt trade him unless an elite prospect plus more is involved
This/\ /\. It’s not really a gamble to at the very least wait for the offseason and then he has answered the 100+ innings question. If he doesn’t pitch as well he’s servicable to get them to 2018. Have you seen what the Pads have been running out 3 out of every 5 starts..
I also agree. There isn’t much risk to keeping Pomeranz right now unless someone is willing to give up an elite prospect. If they rangers are unwilling to deal Gallo or Profar then padres should say no deal. I’d rather risk him getting injured and keep him than to sell and get medium to low end prospects.
Sounds like you’re keeping them because no sane GM is devising over Gallo or Profar for such a question mark of a pitcher in pomeranz.
Not sure I would trade even a #3 starter for Gallo or Profar. One is riding a BAbip that is well above career norm and the other is striking out over 30% of the time in the minors. I think both are marginal prospects at best.
Assuming he can live up to his potential, one should ALWAYS trade a #3 starter for Adam Dunn…
That’s fine by me if the Pads keep him, and that’s the point. If a team isn’t willing to part with a top prospect then I don’t see the point in trading Pomeranz. Profar and Gallo are not cant miss prospects and have just as much unknown as Pomeranz, Gallo has concerning strikeout rates and apparently below average or average defense and Profar has significant injury history.
Using injury as a detracting feature when regarding a starting pitcher who only ONCE topped 120 total innings in a year… Are you SURE that’s the angle you want to go with?
I know that Pomeranz has his warts too. He has not thrown a lot of innings which is a question mark for sure. I tried to research his injury history and could only find him on the DL for breaking his hand back in 2014. As far as I can tell injuries are not the reason he has limited innings but the way teams viewed him did, Colorado limited his pitch count early on and he went back and forth between starter and reliever in Oakland. If the Rangers view Profar as more valuable then good for them but my point is which ever teams the padres talk too, they need at least one elite prospect or its not worth it.
The only year Pomeranz really did any relieving was last year; I’d hardly count that as a legitimate notation on the limitation of innings. Given the history of Pomeranz, this is either the start of something great, or what could easily be a career year and back to mediocrity at best. You are literally arguing that Pomeranz’s potential is more valid than Profar’s, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Pomeranz last ranked as a top prospect in 2012, where he topped out at #24, while Profar ranked no less than #7, and was the #1 prospect the following year.
It’s much more about whether or not the Padres believe Pomeranz’s success can withstand the test of time than anything else. If they have any major doubts, then the should get whatever they can for him, elite prospect or not.
I’m not discounting Profar’s potential, no doubt the dude is very talented and I can see why rangers fans want to keep him. I agree talent wise he has more potential than Pom, but these guys dont play games in a vaccum, i cant ignore that Profar lost 2 years of eligiblity to major shoulder injury and personally I think it’d be a risk for the padres because Profar has that history and Pom doesn’t. I can understand the Rangers position that they don’t know if he can sustain this and may not be willing to deal but they do know it’s not because he’s always injured.
My point again is that if the padres can’t get a blue chip top 25-30 prospect then I don’t see the point in trading him, if he continues to play at this level by next year then the padres are in the same strong trading position if not in better position because he proved that he can have sustained success. If he doesn’t then I won’t cry over not getting mid level prospects.
Got it, so you don’t want to trade a pitcher having a career year for a guy like Jose Bautista.
Dude, Bautista was traded to the Blue Jays for some guy named Robinson Diaz who never broke through the majors, let alone made an all star team. If the Rangers have someone like Bautista in their system then I think he can be had for a minimal price. If your argument is the padres would be missing out on the next jose bautista then id counter and say the next bautista can be had without trading pomeranz.
Do you know how high Bautista ranked as a prospect?? He never did. That’s the point. You’re saying “don’t trade him unless you get a top 25-30 prospect” but there’s no such thing as sure-fire/can’t miss, so it’s not really relevant how highly the prospect is ranked, just how well they produce.
I’m saying you’re setting your goal too high. The Padres should be far happier with 2 upper-mid level prospects and 2 lower-mid level prospects than just 1 top 25 prospect and a couple guys that will never sniff the majors.
Do you remember that trade where the Rangers fleeced the Braves? They received 1x top 50, 1x top 100, 2x fringe 100 prospects, and the 41st draft pick from 2005. Sure, that’s a haul, but 1.5 years of Teixeira in his prime is far more valuable than Pomeranz. Plus they got half a year of a good Ron Mahay, which is worth a low A pitching prospect. The reality, while 4 of those 5 contributed to the success of the Rangers, only 1 has had lasting success and is still with the team… and it’s one of those fringe 100 players, unranked by Baseball Prospectus in 2007..
The point is: Don’t miss out on a great thing because you aren’t getting your personal arbitrary requirement of prospect ranking back in return.
I do know that Bautista was not rated highly at all. That’s why I cited the no name that the blue Jays give up for him. I get your point that highly ranked players bust all the time and some lower ranked or unranked players thrive in the bigs. I understand it’s your position that Pomeranz is having a career year and this is the highest point to sell him since he will likely decline to previous numbers.
However, Pomeranz could be breaking through and figured it out. We bought low on him and he became an all star. He could be a late bloomer like Bautista. So the notion that he has no further value to gain is simply not true.
Maybe he will maybe he won’t. I don’t work in the front office and i dont know what the padres think about Pomeranz. I don’t know if a highly rated or mid level rated prospect will be great or not. The same goes for the rangers, there’s no guarantee that profar, gallo, ortiz, etc will pan out.
The batting average against Kershaw is .185 this season, btw. And Pomeranz walks a lot of guys. He’s going to draw a couple good, not elite, prospects unless the Padres add another player, although SD doesn’t have anything great left to deal. Norris doesn’t have a bunch of value right now because he’s having a bad season offensively. Upton is too expensive, Jay is injured, nobody on earth wants Matt Kemp, Padres aren’t moving Myers, Ross is hurt, Cashner’s been awful, The rest of SD’s roster is replacement level basically, except maybe Buchter, who’s having a good season from the pen. If Rodney was still around, he’d be a nice piece to package with Pom, but I like the return SD got for Fernando.
Obviously Profar would be the drool-worthy get, but thetre’s no way san Diego gets him unless somehow a third team is involved. Brinson would be nice and more doable, I think. Odor is a player the Padres seem to be fixated on – low OBP, a little pop for a middle infielder. Not considered a good clubhouse guy and has real temper issues going back to his minor-league days. But I don’t think the Rangers trade him, although Profar is the better hitter.
I’m sure the Rangers have interest in any pitcher available. Just getting one isn’t going to fix the issue either.
If the Padres traded Pomeranz for Profar that is highway robbery. Just don’t see it happening. Profar might be in a Sale/Gray/etc package but Pomeranz has had so many injuries and attitude problems – he was run out of Oakland, they didn’t want to trade him but his attitude forced it – his value isn’t Profar-high yet.
I don’t think it would be highway robbery at all. Pomeranz is signed for just year less than Profar and is clearly outperforming him at this point. Also the market is bare for starting pitching so if you want anything besides a back end innings eater you’re more than likely going to have to overpay due to most of the contenders all wanting a piece of it. Padres hold all the chips in this situation.
Also a lot of people on here always say that they wouldn’t give up their top prospects unless it’s for aces. But people fail to realize that the secondary pieces in those trades would be devastating. Profar in a trade for Sale or Gray would be a secondary piece. They would most likely ask for Gallo, Profar your best pitching prospect and some guys in the lower levels with some upside. It would destroy your farm system. So would you rather do that or just give up Profar and maybe a lower level prospect for Pomeranz?
This idea that the market is bare of sp so they are worth infinity is just overblown. The market is also bare of early 20s mifers with room for growth as players.
Pomeranz is indeed peforming better than profar right now, much better. Can he keep it up? Who knows. That is why teams (and i think fans) are more willing to part with talent for an “ace”. With them, you largely know that you are getting a known commodity. Trading for Pomeranz can end up making you look smart, or real dumb.
Well of course they’re more willing to part with talent for an ace, who wouldn’t be? But how many aces are truly available right now? And if those aces such as Sale and Gray become available are you willing to pretty much clean out your farm system for them?
And every trade even if you know you’re getting a known commodity can blow up in your face such as the Samardzija deal did for Oakland. I bet no one would have thought Gray would have the season he’s having now, so if they would have traded him in the offseason it would have looked really bad for that team. All trades are risks.
you cite Pomeranz’s injury issues as 1 of the main reasons he isn’t worth Profar…the guy who has been perpetually injured the last few seasons…maybe I’m off but I didn’t think Profar has the ‘top prospect in baseball’ type of value any longer…
if the base players involved in the deal are Pomerez and Profar, the additional piece(s) would be coming from Texas. In the Current Market, starting pitching beats any other position. Profar is too questionable to accept as the main piece of the return.
“Preller spent 10 years in the Rangers’ front office. He is said to be particularly infatuated with infielder Jurickson Profar, whom he helped bring into the organization and who has returned from injuries to impress at the big-league level this season. Prying Profar away likely would take far more than Pomeranz, however; still considered a future star by some evaluators, the 23-year-old won’t become eligible for free agency until after 2019.”
Yeah, you read the article, too. I wasn’t removing Profar from the trade, so Preller will be happy. While “some” still consider him a “future” star, Pomeranian is already an All Star. The question with every team will be “Do we want to win NOW, or do we want to wait and hope we get this close in the Future?
There’s a difference between star and All-Star in my opinion. Pomeranz is having a great season and is an All Star because of it, but does that make him a star player (in other words, elite)?
Unlike the other people who replied to you, I agree. Pomeranz is not the elite pitcher people make him out to be (one good half season doesn’t make you elite) and Profar has restored a lot of value this season and is making the Rangers look smart for holding on to him (not to mention, he’s 4 years younger than Drew, so his ceiling could be seen as a higher one).
Again Profar lost years of team control. He is arbitration eligible soon and is a free agent in 2020. Though I agree something else might have to come with pomeranz
Pom is a top 25 SP right now. the only other SP on the market rated above him is Rich Hill. Pom will bring lots of talent and it won’t be The Rangers mid level prospects to get this done.
The Rangers “Mid-level” prospects would compare pretty favorably to quite a few teams top prospects.
That may be true but I think the padres are looking for AA or AAA type prospects. The padres have loaded up on low A and high A guys and they have almost no pitching or infield prospects in AA or AAA. Do rangers have guys like that outside of Profar and Gallo?
Yohander Mendez and Luis Ortiz are two very good SP prospects at AA currently
I forgot 2B Andy Ibanez in AA as well
Ryan Cordell in the AAA outfield and Morgan at SS too
And Profar has shown he can play all seven positions and still hit .320 with power. Sorry bud, I’m not a Rangers fan. But Pom is NOT getting you Profar. Profar will be traded only for an Arm such as Sale/Gray/Archer
Are we really going to act like Profar is proven commodity? Wasnt he hurt for a year? He was always a highly touted prospect but he has played well for about 30 games.
He was actually out for 2 straight years due to shoulder problems and he is eligible for free agency in 2020 so I would think that Gallo has more value than Profar at this stage.
Who knows how other teams view them, but as a Rangers fan I value Profar much more than I do Gallo.
ditto
So trade Gallo then.
I doubt it. Every other fan base is ready for Texas to ship him out but he has a starting spot next year at 1B. I think Gallo stays but I could be wrong.
Yeah I agree if Profar has the ceiling of a Francisco Lindor and Gallo has the ceiling of Chris Davis. I’d rather have Profar.
Where has Profar had power High A and AA??? He fields well and hits for average. That’s great in a SS, but he’s by no means a top tier SS.
Profar has been injured for the better part of 3 years. He is a great talent, but he’s performed for half a season while healthy. I don’t think TEX moves Profar bc they’ve gone this long hoping he’d turn it around…and he has. Whether or not that continues…that’s the question. Pomeranz should stick with SD unless they get a blue chip and a solid secondary piece. If the market falls right a team will get desperate, though I think long-term he is a better asset held.
Rangers get pomeranz, norris, hand, villanueva
Padres get tate, ortiz, morgan, mendez, yrizarri, jackson and sadzeck.
Rangers get 2 years of pomeranz and norris, 3 of hand, and a rental of villnueva. Fill rotation, relief, and catcher need.
Don’t like that scenario. Huge blockbusters like that rarely happen. I could see Norris and Pomeranz and a single A prospect for Profar and one on your list maybe.
lol they arent going to trade 4 of their top 5 pitching prospects
The Rangers would be getting robbed in that scenario…
Pomeranz+Kemp for Andrus and 2 AA or AAA top pitching prospects+Lower prospect would be another trade i wouldnt mind
Texas won’t want to touch Kemp’s contract.
But Kemp’s contract a lot shorter than Andrus especially if it’s a straight swap( as in no money exchanged just the contracts) and they could trade Kemp and eat 1/2 or 1/3 of the money they prob wouldn’t get much in return but they would get salary relief from Andrus’s ridiculous contract. Also it would allow them to play Profar who is much more productive than Andrus and it would allow them to get the starter they need in Pomeranz and the prospects they give up they don’t need because their stacked at the big league level and they have so many other prospects.
Andrus’ contract is ridiculous, 7 years 105 million after this season, but he’s entering his prime(27 years old), and he’s having the best season of his career. Also, he’s good defensively at a premium position.
Kemp’s contract pays him 64.5 million for the 3 years after this one, also ridiculous. He’s 31, poor defensively, and his OPS+ is the worst of his career.
The Rangers have 2 Corner outfielders locked in for years, Nomar Mazara and Shin-Soo Choo, and already have an untradeable DH in Prince Fielder. The Rangers will not be trading for Matt Kemp.
Also, everybody neglected to mention that Matt Kemp is awful.
Fans in general are clueless of the value of a prospect. I mean ridiculous stuff like if you send your starting catcher and your #2 starter we might send you a former top prospect with 2 years of shoulder trouble that has zapped his power which made him so valuable at SS, if he can even play SS at this point
Hes a better stopgap than ramirez and he can play 3rd and 2nd too right. Blocked by beltre/Gallo,Andrus and Odor. Pomeranz does have the potential to be a #2. Norris is only hitting like .215 but been batting about .300 the last month and defensively top 5 catchers. Profar has promise and two top 20 pitchers in the rangers would be a good pick up for Sd. I see it as Pomeranz for profar straight up or package norris and get two top prospects in a good farm. Pomeranz and Norris will bring more value to a contending texas club. And profar will be a good piece that preller oviously wants and we have hedges ready in AAA so norris is pretty much disposible
Tehran is better and more proven than Pom and the Rangers could give less to get him
I’d take Pomeranz his stuff is better.
I highly doubt that. There is zero chance of Teheran coming to Texas without one of our three big prospects in the deal. The Padres are in a different boat and (I believe) farther from true contention. I think Pomeranz could be had for 3 solid prooects. He just doesn’t have the track record to pull true ace talent.
Teheran isn’t ace talent though. His upside is a solid #2 and his floor is #3-ish. The fact he can be a solid mid-rotation guy at worst has a lot of value when coupled with his contract, but just because he is the Brave’s #1 doesn’t mean he is a #1 in the league.
I would probably agree, but honestly I’m tried of reading those comments. The Braves clearly think he is, or they just don’t have any other top of the rotation talent in the organization. I think they will hang onto him unless blown away, like with one of Brinson/Gallo/Profar.
Agreed.
I guess you haven’t heard about the Braves asking price. Rumor has it they want more than they got for Miller…
“No. We aren’t trading Julio.” – Coppolella on trading Teheran
The asking price is “high enough to make the GM change his mind”. It could be posturing, but I don’t know why you wouldn’t just be asking for 2 of team’s top 3, and then 2 more top 25 guys if that’s what he’d be interested in, instead of saying they aren’t moving him.
Profar would be a good start for trade talks for Pomeranz for the Padres. Profar would end the Ramirez experiment. Maybe Preller could also get an under the radar young pitcher as well since he knows their system so well. Pomeranz is worth two very good prospects. He leads the NL in batting average against at .194 and is fifth in ERA at 2.47.
“Preller spent 10 years in the Rangers’ front office. He is said to be particularly infatuated with infielder Jurickson Profar, whom he helped bring into the organization and who has returned from injuries to impress at the big-league level this season. Prying Profar away likely would take far more than Pomeranz, however; still considered a future star by some evaluators, the 23-year-old won’t become eligible for free agency until after 2019.”
I just can’t believe how poor the starting pitcher market is when we are talking about Pomeranz like he is an ace. THe returns that everyone wants for these pitchers is absurd Profar plus for Pomeranz are you kidding me wow what a wasteland the pitching market has become.
Amen, bro.
Can we be just a bit realistic here? There is no way a team in contention is going to trade a major contributing piece off their roster. Profar is a pipe dream, a nice one, but a pipe dream. I also dont see the Ranger trading Gallo for any arm short of an true Ace (think Sale/Kershaw and the like) .
The Rangers are going to look to deal from the lower minors if and all possible, something that the Padres are open to, provide they get more upside.
Every idea I have read misses at least one sides POV on this deal. No way the Padres deal Pom without get a major piece back, Ortiz is a talented young arm but I doubt highy the Padres are willing to a guy with arm troubles the last two years as a centerpiece of the deal. I also doubt that the Rangers are keen to trade him since he is the closest arm to the majors and they are already dealing with depth issues. Try to view each piece from both sides before just writing their name down.
Pom, Myers, Upton and a reliever for Profar, Ibanez, (pitcher) Mendez, Tate, Brinson, Fielder and $30M.
You’re funny….
Thank you for your insightful contribution. Did I add too many $? Is that what made it so funny?
I think the padres would be insane to do this trade. First, it’s widely been reported Myers will not be moved outside of a kings ransom. Second, Fielder has an albatross contract at 18 mil a year until 2020 and he is a DH only with no defense or running value. I wouldn’t trade Fielder for Kemp straight up and that’s saying a lot.
Actually it was reported here on MLBTR that Bill Shakin was told by Peter Seidler Myers won’t be traded. period. There is also unsubstantiated rumors Dee and or Fowler could be stepping down. John Kantara a local media person with strong ties to the Padres said changes are coming in both the FO and the ML roster and specifically stated AJ not Andy Green will be one of them.
The Rangers don’t really have a use for Upton at this point. Other than that, the trade seems realistic just because of the price revolving around Pom and Myers but I don’t see the Rangers pulling it off. It seems like it would be unnecessary blockbuster.
Yeah Upton was just salary relief for SD. If I were the Rangers I would try to swap Elvis for Profar and increase the $ going to SD.
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Pomeranz and Norris for Brinson, Demirrette and Nick Martinez seems fair to me.
You can have Nick Martinez for a bucket of baseballs if you want him…lol
Matuella with a very thorough medical review should be the Padres centerpiece they target, this was a clear cut #1 pick before injuries, he has some condition with his back that is scary though. I don’t see the Rangers giving up Brinson for Pomeranz.
The Padres should make taking Matt Kemp part of a Pomeranz deal.
Pomeranz & Kemp??
I’ll give you a 30 year old reliever… that’s struggling in AA.
Oh, and I’m taking one of Margot/Guerra/Renfroe and a PTBNL And that still might not be enough for me to take the deal… $54.75M in salary relief is REALLY hard to come by; more so than ace pitchers. Yeah, on second thought, I think I’m gonna need Tyson Ross to make this happen.
As always at this time, it’s interesting how we all see the players from “our teams”. Tons of comments on how Profar for Pomeranz is robbery because Pomeranz is unproven. I guess Profar tearing up AA before 2 years of MAJOR INJURIES is a very proven performer. Pomeranz was a top draft pick, pitched in Colorado for a bit which didn’t help his cause. Not saying is a fair trade or not, just don’t think at this point, one is more “proven” than the other one, especially with the injuries Profar has had… Hope SD doesn’t trade him to Texas and gets a decent deal elsewhere, or simply keep him. Yes, he might be a bust, but he could be a late bloomer just like Arrieta.
many latebloomers have been lefthanded.
I don’t really think you are looking at this correctly. I think with Pomeranz you are hoping he can at best hang onto what he is doing right now, i do not think you can ask for more or pretend to even truly think that he is going to put up a sub 2.50 era. With profar he is only 23 years old or whatever and you can count on him getting better with experience. so what would you rather have? My guess is the .300 hitting 23 year old shortstop with pop.
Cubs should trade for him
It’s tough to set the value of Pom…though i’d love him to join the Mets. 2017 and on would be crowded, but you can never have enough pitchers…/homer view and less than 0.01% chance of it happening. Going from a possible 6-man staff w. 3 #1’s, a #2 in Matz, and Colon who was top 12-15 in ERA this year AND Wheeler in the wings…filthy. Now…the injury bug is out and deGrom and Colon are solid, Syn & Matz are touch and go, Harvey is on the shelf, and Wheeler is behind schedule.
I can see Pom going to BOS or Cubs bc they both have needs and the depth of prospects to get it done. Not Moncada or Schwarber, but someone in the top 5 of either, combined with a mid-level guy and a lottery ticket. If there is a bidding war, maybe add a low-A lottery ticket type guy. The innings ceiling is an issue, but you get control for multiple yrs…which with a young arm is huge.
If I were a contender, I’d rather get Pom + years of control over any of the rentals, including Hill. Giving up a blue chip prospect for a rental that isn’t a Top 5 arm going into FA yr…it’s too high a price for almost any team.
Hes given up 67 hits in 102 innings and struck out 115. Hes thrown that knuckle curve or whatever it is more now and locates the fastball nicely to keep hitters off balance. The padres have allowed him to pitch and go deep in games and hes performed against good teams too. Maybe its because ive seen about 10 of his starts and he only had 1 bad outing. But hes going to be a dam good pitcher if he keeps going about his business.
I think fans overvalue prospects on what the scouting reports and what they read about AAA. But they will get a very nice return for this guy. And all these recent rumors looks like he will be traded for the right price if not wait til the end of the season and have Tyson Ross if he comes back healthy and Drew as good bidding wars
Drew has had a very nice first half and is certainly valuable. He does appear to be a regression canidate in the 2nd half due to low BABIP .240 and high strand rate. I am not sure how he is valued on the market though will be surprised if San Diego gets as high end of package as seems to be suggesting however he could be putting it together now and turn out to be for real a little early to tell his strikeout numbers are very nice and do suggest that he has good raw stuff I will say that I haven’t seen him pitch but he seems to be intriguing depending on what the cost is.
So many comments with either Profar and Gallo.. Competing Rangers don’t want to trade MLB talent right now and Padres would probably prefer 3 AA or AAA prospects towards their rebuild. Padres would keep Pomeranz if they thought they’d compete next year. They want young controllable talent
Obviously I’m not a GM, and I understand that AJ Preller really knows his prospects but this seems like such a stupid stupid regrettable trade for the Padres. They had 10 team scouting a guy that some believe is the number one pitcher and got an 18-year-old return? Seriously? More than half of the prospects bust, I wouldn’t trade your best picture for the number one overall pick. I would want a higher level minor-league prospects that has a better shot of making it to the big leagues. This seems really really risky, but I guess when you’re at the bottom you have to make moves like that to potential he pay off and excite the Fanbase
Just to add, I don’t personally think DP is number one but he is the best picture on the Padres. And he does have 2 1/2 years of control. He’s cheap. Even if they’re not going to contend they need starting pictures were going to give the manikins just to add, I don’t personally think DP is number one but he is the best picture on the Padres. And he does have 2 1/2 years of control. He’s cheap. Even if they’re not going to contend they need starting pitchers were going to give them innings. The seems like such a stupid train and I think they could’ve gotten a lot more. Obviously all the talk about other GM’s being scared of Pomeranians lack of track record was likely a bigger issue, and I’m guessing Preller got all he could…but if that’s all he could get he should have kept him and at least had a bright spot on a bad team or used him to trade away some bad contracts. Seems really dumb when we see big time all star OF go for rental ace SPs each trade deadline ….
The Padres can just bring up a starter from AAA to give them innings. No, they won’t be good innings, but it won’t really matter. The Padres weren’t going to contend with or without Pomeranz.
I like this trade more for the Red Sox but the Padres traded a guy who wasn’t going to be a member of the next good Padres team and who no one cared about six months ago for a guy with plenty of upside who actually WILL be around the next time the Padres are good.
No there is no point in keeping him to “have a bright spot on a bad team.” Screw the product on the field. If the Padres aren’t making the playoffs they can go 0-162 for all I care.