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Diamondbacks Acquire Shelby Miller

By Steve Adams | December 9, 2015 at 8:04am CDT

WEDNESDAY: The teams have officially announced the deal.

TUESDAY: After more than a week of rampant speculation, the Shelby Miller blockbuster that many anticipated has arrived. The Braves on Tuesday reportedly agreed to send Miller and left-handed relief prospect Gabe Speier to the Diamondbacks in exchange for outfielder Ender Inciarte, right-handed pitching prospect Aaron Blair and shortstop prospect Dansby Swanson, the latter of whom was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2015 draft back in June.

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Miller, 25, has been one of the hottest commodities on the trade market for the past seven to 10 days. The D-backs will control him for at least three seasons via the arbitration process — he’s projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn just under $5MM next season — and he’ll give Arizona another potent arm to pair with Patrick Corbin and newly signed ace Zack Greinke atop a dramatically improved rotation.

As many as 20 teams reportedly checked in on Miller, who will ultimately spend just one year in Atlanta after being the main piece received in last winter’s Jason Heyward blockbuster with the Cardinals. The former first-round pick and top 10 prospect enjoyed a strong season in 2015 with the Braves, compiling a 3.02 ERA with 7.5 K/9, 3.2 BB/9 and a career-best 47.7 percent ground-ball rate in a career-high 205 2/3 innings. It should be noted, though, that Miller’s dominant overall numbers are propped up, to some extent, by an unsustainable 1.48 ERA through his first 10 starts. While Miller was still very solid after that stretch — he logged a 3.77 ERA with a 122-to-55 K/BB ratio across his final 138 1/3 frames — fielding-independent-pitching metrics peg him as more of a mid- to upper-3.00s ERA type of pitcher. Whether he looks more like the front-line arm he appeared to be in 2015 or the steady mid-rotation arm those metrics peg him to be, Miller unequivocally has value, but the Diamondbacks have indeed paid a steep price to acquire his services.

Inciarte (pictured below) is the Major League ready piece of the deal for Atlanta. He’ll bring five years of club control to the Braves and can immediately slot into center field there, although he also has extensive experience at both corner positions. Inciarte, 25, was largely unheralded as a prospect but has batted a combined .292/.329/.386 in his first two Major League seasons, including a stellar .303/.338/.408 line in 2015. Inciarte is an elite defender at any of the three outfield spots; he’s amassed 52 Defensive Runs Saved in just 1972 innings at the Major League level or, if you prefer, +33.7 runs, per Ultimate Zone Rating. While he lacks much in the way of power and may see his surface-level rate stats decline by moving away from the hitters’ haven that is Phoenix’s Chase Field, Inciarte will help the Braves’ chances both in 2016 and into the next planned phase of the team’s status as contenders.

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Swanson, 22 in February, is barely six months removed from being the first overall pick in the 2015 draft. A shortstop out of Vanderbilt, Swanson spent the summer playing with Arizona’s short-season Class-A affiliate in Hillsboro, where he batted .289/.394/.482 in 22 games/99 plate appearances. His inclusion significantly enhances the deal for Atlanta, who recently parted ways with shortstop Andrelton Simmons. While Swanson won’t be ready to jump to the Majors in 2016 — at least not early on — he gives the Braves a potential Simmons replacement at some point in the 2017 or 2018 season and joins 18-year-old (19 in January) Ozhaino Albies as an elite shortstop prospect rising through the ranks of the Atlanta farm system.

MLB.com rated Swanson as the No. 10 prospect in all of Major League Baseball at the end of the season, and Swanson unsurprisingly ranked as the organization’s top prospect according to both that outlet and Baseball America. BA’s scouting report noted that Swanson has no weaknesses in his toolkit, calling him a prototypical No. 2 hitter that has 15-homer pop with plus speed and a future as a solid, if not above-average defender at shortstop. MLB.com notes that most scouts think he can stick at shortstop, adding that he has off-the-charts makeup and could be in the Majors by 2018. As a bonus for the Braves, Swanson’s Georgia roots — he attended high school in Marietta — figure to make him popular with the Atlanta fanbase.

Blair, 23, is a little more than two years removed from being a first-rounder himself (albeit, a compensatory first-round pick). Arizona selected him 36th overall in 2003, and he currently ranks 61st on MLB.com’s Top 100. BA rated him as the D-backs’ No. 2 prospect, trailing only the aforementioned Swanson. The Marshall University product split the 2015 season between Double-A and Triple-A, pitching to a combined 2.92 ERA with 6.7 K/9 against 2.8 BB/9. BA notes that he has a 91-95 mph heater with heavy sink that generates plenty of grounders in addition to a curveball that misses bats and a changeup that he uses to pitch to contact. MLB.com and BA both agree that Blair is nearly big league ready and should debut in 2016, with both calling him a potential mid-rotation starter.

In addition to Miller, the D-backs will receive the 20-year-old Speier, who spent this past season pitching at Class-A, where he recorded a 2.86 ERA with 7.4 K/9 against 2.5 BB/9 in 44 innings of relief work. Speier, a 19th-round pick in 2013, is already plenty familiar with being traded. He was originally selected by Boston but traded to the Tigers a year ago (almost to the day) alongside Yoenis Cespedes in exchange for Rick Porcello. Detroit shipped him to Atlanta a couple of weeks ago in the Cameron Maybin trade, and he’s now on the move for the third time in less than three full years as a pro.

By making this trade, the Diamondbacks have exhibited their clear desire to win now. The presence of Greinke, Corbin and Miller atop their rotation gives Arizona arguably the best rotation in the National League West, but the price they’ve paid is sizable. Perhaps more notably, it continues to display that GM Dave Stewart, VP De Jon Watson and chief baseball office Tony La Russa value draft picks in a considerably different manner than a number of their baseball ops peers around the league. Arizona forfeited its 2016 first-round pick in order to sign Greinke and has now traded the 2015 top pick (Swanson) in addition to its 2014 first-rounder, Touki Toussaint, in a deal that many felt amounted to a salary dump to rid themselves of Bronson Arroyo’s contract. With this recent string of moves, the D-backs have moved three of their past four highest draft picks and foregone the right to pick 13th in next year’s draft.

Of course, Arizona will now have an impressive rotation trio to support MVP candidate Paul Goldschmidt and the underrated A.J. Pollock, who will now probably share the outfield with David Peralta and Yasmany Tomas with Inciarte in Atlanta. The D-backs are aggressively branding the 2016 as an “evolutionary” year, and the moves they’ve made bear out the fact that the coming seasons will carry significantly greater expectations than the team has had in quite some time.

For the Braves, the move further adds to the ever-growing stockpile of young talent that president of baseball operations John Hart and GM John Coppolella have accumulated over the past calendar year. While the loss of Miller undeniably hurts the club’s pitching staff, one could potentially make the argument that the addition of Inciarte to the 2016 roster offsets much of the value the team is losing by subtracting Miller’s highly talented arm from the roster. And, adding a pair of high-impact prospects, one of whom (Blair) could make an impact as soon as 2016, further accelerates the rebuilding effort to align with the club’s stated desire of contending in 2017 — the first season of the newly constructed SunTrust Park.

The huge stockpile of minor league talent and the shedding of sizable financial commitments — Miller could potentially earn $8-9MM in 2017 depending on his 2016 results — will position Atlanta to be aggressive on both the trade and free-agent front. The Braves, after all, have just $46MM committed to four players in 2017 and only three that will be eligible for arbitration (none of whom should command anything close to a prohibitive salary).

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports first reported that Miller was going to Arizona (Twitter link). Joel Sherman of the New York Post added that Inciarte and others were going to Atlanta (also on Twitter). The Arizona Republic’s Nick Piecoro reported that Swanson and Blair were in the deal (Twitter link).  Steve Gilbert of MLB.com reported that Speier would also go to Arizona.

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266 Comments

  1. Friars17

    9 years ago

    Wow. All kinds of dominos falling.

    Reply
    • RunDMC

      9 years ago

      Holy….wow! First pick! ATL now has ARZ’s first picks from 2014 (Touki Touissaint) and 2015 – 1st overall (Dansby Swanson). Hat tip, Mr. Coppolella.

      Reply
      • RunDMC

        9 years ago

        Strike that, ATL has ARZ’s first picks from 2013 (SP Braden Shipley), 2014 (Touki Touissaint) and 2015 (1st overall: Dansby Swanson). Wow!

        Reply
        • frozemyblood

          9 years ago

          Wasn’t Blair their 2013 First rounder??

          Reply
          • jamesa-2

            9 years ago

            Shipley was the first pick, Blair was picked about 20 spots later in the comp round.

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          • RunDMC

            9 years ago

            You’re right. I would have changed it put I can’t edit my comment. New commenting sucks.

            Reply
        • Ted

          9 years ago

          I don’t believe they have Shipley

          Reply
      • Acuña Matata

        9 years ago

        Lol I tried to tell people there would be a prospect war for Miller. Cubs had Soler on the table, we saw what the Dbacks gave up. Only time will tell what else and who else was offered by others.

        Needless to say I was vilified by the mlbtr user base

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    • g55s

      9 years ago

      Wow! They included Swanson?? Nice haul for the Braves!

      Reply
      • alt2tab

        9 years ago

        This deal was bad for the Dbacks even if Swanson wasn’t involved in the deal. Miller is a #3 starter at best and the Dbacks gave up talent as if he were Jake DeGrom

        Reply
      • dazedatnoon

        9 years ago

        Did Swanson choke his wife recently…?

        Reply
        • moe 3

          9 years ago

          To dazed. That was his chicken

          Reply
    • bobbycurls

      9 years ago

      clarkspencer ‏@clarkspencer 5 minutes ago
      Hearing that #Marlins had deal working with D-Backs: Jose Fernandez for Corbin, Swanson and 3 others — until Zona landed Shelby Miller.

      Reply
    • Brooklyn

      9 years ago

      Sooo Shelby Joins Zack….and the Dodgers Still have a Staff of ONE!!!

      Whowouldathunkit???? I guess the Dynamic Duo, Friedman & Zaidi, are really the Two Stooges…..?

      Reply
      • jamesa-2

        9 years ago

        The Dodgers already added Iwakuma, hardly still a staff of one. Ryu is supposedly healthy again. They have Wood as well. The Dodgers will want to keep improving, but they are hardly bereft of talent.

        Reply
      • bobo678

        9 years ago

        not a dodgers or Arizona fan but dodgers have far better hitting and also slightly better pitching.still

        Reply
  2. jakegreenberg24

    9 years ago

    The dbacks got better as long as Corbin isn’t in the deal then. My bet is Lamb/Drury, Shipley

    Reply
  3. gorav114

    9 years ago

    Whoa. If they still go after Maeda they could have a great rotation.

    Reply
    • Kapler's Coconut Oil

      9 years ago

      They said they didn’t have financial room for Leake, so that effectively rules out Maeda as well.. They have a solid 1-2-3 regardless

      Reply
  4. Thegreatandpowerfulsimba

    9 years ago

    Finally

    Reply
  5. TheMichigan

    9 years ago

    At least pollock is safe

    Reply
    • BravesFan 4Life

      9 years ago

      Bs pollock needs to be in the deal

      Reply
  6. Slipknot37

    9 years ago

    Weren’t they out of the market for miller? Anyways if true, awesome grab

    Reply
    • AsFan89

      9 years ago

      Believe the opposite of what Dave Stewart says 100% of the time.

      Reply
  7. gobraves46

    9 years ago

    This better not be for pitching… How bout jake lamb and ender inciarte?

    Reply
  8. MaineBaseball

    9 years ago

    I’m entertained every few minutes just by refreshing MLBTR. So many moves!

    Reply
  9. DW

    9 years ago

    I love this game. Been watching MLB Network and checking here all day. Just beautiful.

    Reply
  10. Priggs89

    9 years ago

    This is fun. Keep the moves coming.

    Reply
  11. A'sfaninUK

    9 years ago

    This. Is. Insane. If its not Pollock it better be someone amazing.

    Reply
    • Eric D.

      9 years ago

      Why is that? Pollock is twice the player Miller is. It will probably be for Ender Inciarte and a B prospect or something like that.

      Reply
      • A'sfaninUK

        9 years ago

        Lol, I was right on this. Swanson is amazing.

        Reply
  12. beyou02215

    9 years ago

    Let’s see who they get but….why not trade Freeman then? Goodness…

    Reply
  13. start_wearing_purple

    9 years ago

    Well this has been an exciting offseason for Diamondback fans.

    Reply
    • nick 20

      9 years ago

      Thats what Padre fans were saying last offseason. Hopefully the DBacks will have a different result.

      Reply
  14. Stromalama

    9 years ago

    D-Backs could be really good this year.

    Reply
  15. Cd360

    9 years ago

    The D-Backs might’ve just become the NL west favorites.

    Reply
    • pullhitter445

      9 years ago

      Your team can win the offseason but that doesn’t mean anything. Just ask the Chicago white sox last year or the sand Diego Padres. Or years before the Miami Marlins. Spending and acquiring different talent doesn’t always work out

      Reply
    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      No, just no. They might have come into contention as a WC team, but they aren’t even close to LA.

      Reply
      • LH

        9 years ago

        Ok bro

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      • billyheywood

        9 years ago

        Names don’t win championships. Just look at the Los Ang…oh wait. That is who we’re talking about. Take a step off the Dodger bandwagon if you’re expecting a World Champion. They couldn’t finish it in 2008. They haven’t been able to finish it the past 2 years. The most successful organization’s in the division are SF and Arizona. And for the record, I’m not a fan of either.

        Reply
  16. cjh815

    9 years ago

    Like said earlier just when team say there out they come back

    Reply
  17. Thegreatandpowerfulsimba

    9 years ago

    No pollock… So Swanson and goldy?

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    • beyou02215

      9 years ago

      Goldschmidt? Atlanta would need to trade 15 Millers.

      Reply
    • Justin Broja

      9 years ago

      This cracked the heck out of me. Your telling me you would trade the #1 draft pick of last season / best NL 1B for a guy who went 6-17??

      Reply
      • SaladFingers69

        9 years ago

        You’re right to hate this trade idea, but citing Miller’s W-L is not why it’s ridiculous.

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      • Just Another BoSox Guy

        9 years ago

        Well, as it turns out, Swanson is the centerpiece

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        9 years ago

        Get that 6-17 out of here! Wins and losses for a pitcher are meaningless.

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        • LH

          9 years ago

          Top 11 in win loss percentage include:
          Greinke, arrietta, price, mchugh, wacha, keuchel,Cole,kershaw, bumgarner, gray, felix Hernandez

          Bottom 11 include names like:
          Danks, porcello, sabathia, pelfrey, cashner and desclafani ( a few good names to be fair also on that list) and last of all Miller.
          I think that means something and I don’t care what anyone else thinks.
          I’m also surprised that Dave Stewart doesn’t care about wins haha

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          • Acuña Matata

            9 years ago

            Lol. It wasn’t Miller’s fault though. If you paid attention, “Despite limiting the Mets to just two earned runs over six innings, Miller became the first pitcher in Atlanta Braves history (since 1966) to go winless over the course of 23 consecutive starts.”

            Oh he can pitch, he just got no run support. Arizona’s defense isn’t anything to sneeze at either, which is going to help as well.

            Braves absolutely won this trade though. Even if Miller won a Cy Young. The future value gained in this deal is exponentially more valuable.

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  18. Joe McMahon

    9 years ago

    Inciarte+ + piece. Great deal for the Braves, it looks like.

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    • Joe McMahon

      9 years ago

      Inciarte + pieces.

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    • vtncsc

      9 years ago

      Eh, we don’t need another OF. We have a logjam of those already.

      Reply
      • billyheywood

        9 years ago

        We have a logjam of remarkably average offensive players. Grab any potential talent you can on the offensive side. Throw it against the wall in the next two years and see what sticks before it matters most.

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    • Acuña Matata

      9 years ago

      Joe McMahon says
      December 8, 2015 at 9:48am CST
      The Cubs and Dbacks are both out. Slowly teams are realizing that the Braves don’t actually want to move him and that the price tag is insane. The Braves are basically like “He’s not available but if you want to blow us away with a huge offer, go ahead.” Miller will be in Atlanta on Opening Day.

      Reply
      • Acuña Matata

        9 years ago

        Like I kept trying to tell you. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’ve been spouting nonsense about Miller for 3 days. He was always available. He was more affordable than any other pitcher out there (that the diamondbacks wanted not what YOU want/suggest)

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  19. vtncsc

    9 years ago

    This makes no sense what Atlanta is doing, trading him when he is what they need.. young pitching that’s controlled to start winning in 2017.. What is the point of trading him just to trade him for someone not named Lamb or Pollock..?

    I really don’t get this trade.

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    • seamaholic 2

      9 years ago

      Miller has three years of control left. Braves aren’t going to be anything until 2018 at the absolute earliest. Makes perfect sense.

      Reply
      • vtncsc

        9 years ago

        I still don’t like it. I think it’ll be a regret trade.

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        • billyheywood

          9 years ago

          Not with Swanson + Blair coming back. In fairness, you may have made this comment not seeing the return.

          Reply
  20. seamaholic 2

    9 years ago

    Whoa, nice deal for Braves. Don’t like this for Dbacks. Inciarte in many ways made that team go last year.

    Reply
    • Mike_Davis

      9 years ago

      Brito, a similar type player as Inciarte is waiting in the wings for the Dbacks. He will step in as the 4th OF & take Enders’ 400 ABs.

      Reply
  21. Brixton

    9 years ago

    A 5 WAR outfielder for a #3 starter, Way to be D’Backs…

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  22. mightyomighty

    9 years ago

    Win-win for both teams?

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  23. aff10

    9 years ago

    As a D-Back fan, this is kinda disappointing. Tough to part with Ender and more for a mid-rotation stater

    Reply
    • xalz

      9 years ago

      Where do you all get mid-rotation starter, because you bought big in Greinke? Shelby is a one or two starter and quite young, still. You have a great rotation, now.

      Reply
      • aff10

        9 years ago

        Miller looks to me like a low-end #2 at best, and they parted ways with 3 very solid pieces. I thought our rotation was fine before honestly, saw no reason to do this.

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      • therealryan

        9 years ago

        He is a mid rotation arm because Miller ranks 56th in fWAR, 68th in FIP and 91st in xFIP over the past 3 seasons. His FIP and xFIP numbers put him in the same company as pitchers like Jon Niese, Charlie Morton and Wade Miley. My expectation is his ERA will start to look more like Miley’s once he starts pitching his home games in Arizona. At least he is young and talented enough to possibly improve, but I feel Atlanta definitely came out in top.

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        • xalz

          9 years ago

          If you look at his first half there is reason to think he may have a great deal more in him.

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    • wilymo

      9 years ago

      i hope this dude is ok now that he knows what the “more” is

      Reply
  24. chuckn9ne

    9 years ago

    Inciarte

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  25. Matt Galvin

    9 years ago

    Owings? Tomas? Perlta? Bradley?

    Reply
  26. xalz

    9 years ago

    I’m looking forward to seeing the rest of the names. Arizona seems to be saying, “All In!” With their Cueto offer and Greinke signing, they may have put together a good package to get Miller. Diamond Backs are looking like a contender for Fall Ball 2016.

    Reply
  27. Francys01

    9 years ago

    Arizona is ready to win now.Good for them.Giants and Dodgers will have competition.

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  28. alt2tab

    9 years ago

    Yikes. Inciarte for Miller? I wouldn’t trade Inciarte for Miller straight up. Miller is vastly overrated and Inciarte is apparently very underrated

    Reply
  29. jakesaub

    9 years ago

    ENDER AND SWANSON AND BLAIR??? WHAT??? Props, Braves.

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    • rayrayner

      9 years ago

      Stewart doesn’t know what he’s doing.

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      • Bob Smiley

        9 years ago

        lol, he bought a top prospect last year from the braves. Tousaint. he knows what he is doing. Shelby is under control for a few years with Greinke and Corbin.

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        • Ted

          9 years ago

          What? The Braves effectively bought Toussaint *from* the DBacks.

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  30. Brixton

    9 years ago

    Someone just tweeted its Inciarte, Swanson and Blair, you got to be kidding me?

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    • AsFan89

      9 years ago

      That’s nuts.

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    • Bob M.

      9 years ago

      its probably just Blair.

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      • A'sfaninUK

        9 years ago

        Nope, what a wild, massive overpay by AZ. They could have probably gotten Jose Fernandez if they had Swanson on the table!

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        • Philliesfan4life

          9 years ago

          Agreed, should of made that deal for fernandez or one of the indians pitchers

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          • JT19

            9 years ago

            A deal for Fernandez would’ve started at Pollock. If not Pollock then essentially the entire farm would have to go.

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  31. jakegreenberg24

    9 years ago

    Marlins licking their chops right about now. Have the only ace whose team is willing to listen on him. Possibility that a team decides to go all in.

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  32. Bob M.

    9 years ago

    Miller still cant get left handed hitters out… good thing he went to a division with no top left handed hitters….. whoops nevermind.

    Reply
  33. Justin Broja

    9 years ago

    Great job by Diamondbacks. Sad we lost Inciarte but we still have another slugger in Tomas who will fill in for Inciarte. And the rotations looking nice Grenkie, Miller, Corbin (Hopefully he can make a comeback season( and perhaps the other 2 can be Collmenter, De La Rosa, etc.

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    • Bob M.

      9 years ago

      lost a whole lot more than Inciarte for a mid rotation starter with 3 years of team control left.

      Reply
  34. bravesfan 7

    9 years ago

    DANSBY SWANSON!!!

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    • Philliesfan4life

      9 years ago

      I am in shock , why on earth would you trade him after you just got him in the draft

      Reply
    • billyheywood

      9 years ago

      Stoked. The hitter the organization needed. Hart was perfect for this job.

      Reply
  35. A'sfaninUK

    9 years ago

    Swanson!!!! INSANE!!!!

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  36. homerheins

    9 years ago

    As hard as it is to lose Ender, he’s the easiest to replace with Brito. Atlanta probably doesn’t realize his value yet. You’re lucky to get him plus top prospects. He can win a gold glove on defense and he’s a speed guy with a little pop. We used to have Parra, and Ender is like him but with more pop and speed. A winning team will have guys like him. I know Atlanta fans will say they have a guy like that in the minors. You can never have enough Ender Inciarte’s. He will be sorely missed in AZ, but he probably expected it because of the depth and Brito behind him.

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  37. jakegreenberg24

    9 years ago

    The idiots traded Dansby Swanson. Why? Now the braves rebuild might actually work.

    Reply
  38. georgebell 2

    9 years ago

    Did the Braves incriminating photos of Dave Stewart?

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    • Priggs89

      9 years ago

      This still would be too much

      Reply
  39. gobraves46

    9 years ago

    Swanson and Blair plus encourage for miller! I love this for Braves!!!

    Reply
    • gobraves46

      9 years ago

      *inciarte. That being said, this trade is very encouraging

      Reply
    • billyheywood

      9 years ago

      Encouragement may be a PTBNL acquired in 2017. Kid has upside.

      Reply
  40. violentdreams11

    9 years ago

    omg they gave up Swanson Dumb Dumb Dumb move

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  41. dalealvingribble

    9 years ago

    As a Braves fan I am absolutely loving this trade. This is one of those deals that works for both teams. With The Diamondbacks. Shelby doesn’t have to worry about being a 17 loss pitcher next season. We get back a solid outfielder. The 2015 #1 overall pick, and a near ready RHP with the upside of a #2 pitcher. I am tickled pink with this deal.

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    • tommyLA

      9 years ago

      I’m sorry, I don’t see how this works for the D Backs, they gave away so much youth for a win now strategy. Seem like the Padres of last year. Atlanta is gearing up for the next decade, props to them.

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      • Roasted DNA

        9 years ago

        I think it’s a great trade. The 3 prospects the Dbacks gave up never make the 25 in 2016 – Diamondback fans should be ecstatic. The missing link to last years team was starting pitching and they have plugged the holes as long as the DL stays away.

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    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      Braves could legit contend in 2017, lol

      Reply
  42. Philliesfan4life

    9 years ago

    wow the dbacks gave up too much for miller

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  43. nando390

    9 years ago

    Wow dodgers are a disaster this winter.

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  44. southi

    9 years ago

    Wow. Nice haul for Miller. Incierte is decent but add in Blair then add in Swanson. Wow!

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    • homerheins

      9 years ago

      Ender is more than decent. A .300 hitter with speed and gold glove defense. Who do you have that is remotely close in the outfield?

      Reply
  45. jakegreenberg24

    9 years ago

    Teheran also involved

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  46. philly435

    9 years ago

    What are the D backs thinking?

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  47. Cd360

    9 years ago

    What a steal for the braves. I better not hear one of their fans complain.

    Reply
  48. CaptainBrave

    9 years ago

    Glad I downloaded this app yesterday.

    Reply
  49. homerheins

    9 years ago

    Wait a second…Swanson! That’s crazy talk. Ok, win now, but WOW that is an amazing haul for Miller. To me, that value is like the Grienke contract. I would think Miller will have even more pressure as those three players perform. Miller better put up All Start like numbers because you could foreseeably have THREE All Stars in Ender, Blair, and Swanson. Blair is the most borderline, but he’s got the pitches and accuracy to do it with a little development.

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  50. A'sfaninUK

    9 years ago

    Braves going to contend in 2017 now, lol

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  51. JoeyPankake

    9 years ago

    Looks more like a package you would see for Harvey, not Miller.

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    • bobbycurls

      9 years ago

      spot on.

      Reply
  52. Priggs89

    9 years ago

    What a steal for the Braves.

    White Sox – trade Quintana now. Thanks

    Reply
    • jedihoyer

      9 years ago

      this could have been a quintana deal, move eaton to RF and have ur SS of the future in swanson or tim anderson. White sox management is a bunch of idiots.

      Reply
      • Priggs89

        9 years ago

        Hard to disagree. Maybe they have a trade lined up for Buxton, Sano, and Berrios. One can dream 🙂

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  53. Twentyone21

    9 years ago

    Wow fans by Swanson reportedly involved in this

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  54. jwu5

    9 years ago

    Good day to be a braves fan Swanson for Miller is an overpay not to mention adding ender and Blair

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  55. alt2tab

    9 years ago

    Inciarte, Blair, AND Swanson?!? Lol the d-Backs just got murdered. Shelby Miller has the peripherals of a #3/4 starter

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  56. aff10

    9 years ago

    Blair, Inciarte, and Swanson! What the hell? Damn. Props to the Braves for absolutely fleecing my Diamondbacks

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    • MLB4LIFE

      9 years ago

      Yeah the Braves made out like bandits..Big overpay from the DBacks.But hey you have to give the Braves credit

      Reply
      • aff10

        9 years ago

        Yeah, definitely. Credit to John Hart for holding out on earlier offers for Miller- he pulled in quite a haul. Heard Coppolella and Dave Stewart had lunch earlier- maybe he put something in Stewart’s drink haha

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  57. CaptainBrave

    9 years ago

    Up until now I have been in agreement with the brave’s moves over the last couple of years. But, this one better be good to give up Miller.

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  58. RunDMC

    9 years ago

    Why do I have to click “show” on almost each content on the boards?

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  59. Joe McMahon

    9 years ago

    There is no way this is just for Miller. If it is, it’s one of the single worst trades in recent memory. I assume the Dbacks are getting a lot more though. Inciarte, Swanson and Blair for Miller, Teheran and a 3rd piece? That would make sense for both teams.

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  60. meatloaf

    9 years ago

    Are you kidding me? If AZ wanted to unload their farm why not go for Fernandez, Gray, or Sale? Terrible deal.

    Reply
    • Philliesfan4life

      9 years ago

      Yea true, Miller is a solid number 2 or 3, and they over paid for him

      Reply
    • homerheins

      9 years ago

      They probably tried that too for this same combo. Let’s hope there are more pieces coming from ATL that could pay off at some point, like Brandon Drury has. Maybe they threw in Aaron Hill’s contract?

      Reply
  61. jaysfan55

    9 years ago

    If this is actually the whole trade, it might be the most lopsided trade in MLB history. Inciarte for Miller alone would have been a fair trade, but they also included Blair and Swanson?? The Dbacks are insane! I wouldn’t do this package for Jose Fernandez even.

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    • billyheywood

      9 years ago

      Yes, you would.

      Reply
  62. chesteraarthur

    9 years ago

    This is one of the worst trades, at face value, that I’ve ever seen.

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  63. dyaf

    9 years ago

    Lol @ the dbacks fans who kept saying all week that Miller wasn’t worth anything etc etc….

    Reply
    • aff10

      9 years ago

      This changes nothing about how I feel about Shelby Miller. This is more about how I feel now about Dave Stewart honestly

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  64. Matt Tobin

    9 years ago

    What an awful awful trade for the D-Backs. Ender to Shelby Miller isn’t a huge upgrade and they are giving up the first overall pick and a solid close to major picting prospect.

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  65. kiddhoff

    9 years ago

    Inciarte AND Swanson? Braves have to be giving something else.

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  66. dalealvingribble

    9 years ago

    The Braves get a capable outfielder in Inciarte. Then if you go by MLB’s rating. The Braves get the 10th best prospect in all of baseball in Dansby Swanson and The 61st best prospect in all of baseball Aaron Blair who in less than a two years might profile as the same kind of pitcher as Shelby with 5 more years of control. This is just great.

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  67. JT19

    9 years ago

    I understand he was just drafted, but I don’t understand the hate for putting Swanson in. The Greinke signing was a win-now move, as in the next 2-3 years. Swanson probably doesn’t become a contributer for another 3-4 years. If not Swanson, the D’Backs would have to increase the prospect haul by another two or three.

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  68. greatd

    9 years ago

    Braves fans must be loving this lol
    But the win now with Goldschmidt should be the way the Diamondbacks should be.
    Good luck Giants and Dodgers trying to compete with them next year.

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  69. gobraves46

    9 years ago

    Unnamed minor leaguer going with miller to AZ as well.

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  70. aff10

    9 years ago

    That minor league player better be Albies lol

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  71. mdavis248

    9 years ago

    Looks like it’s Inciarte and Swanson. Wow.

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  72. jedihoyer

    9 years ago

    Overpay!

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  73. jaysfan55

    9 years ago

    If this is actually the whole trade, it might be the most lopsided trade in MLB history. Inciarte for Miller alone would have been a fair trade, but they also included Blair and Swanson?? Dbacks are crazy. I wouldn’t do this package for Jose Fernandez even.

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    • wilymo

      9 years ago

      let’s not exaggerate. nothing is ever going to be as lopsided as the angels trading awesome early-career mike napoli for vernon wells and his entire obviously-terrible contract

      Reply
  74. davbee

    9 years ago

    Nice haul for the Braves. The Dbacks gave up a bit too much but if they get a World Series Championship in the next three years they can justify it.

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  75. TheMichigan

    9 years ago

    D backs Jesus Christ, maybe it’s Miller Tehran?

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  76. mrnatewalter

    9 years ago

    For this price, Pollock would have been a better deal. Yikes.

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    • JT19

      9 years ago

      So one everyday player and two prospects is better than one of the best outfielders in the game? This is why you are not a GM. D’Backs are in win-now mode. Outside of Inciarte, Swanson snd Blair aren’t major contributers for at least a few more years.

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      • A'sfaninUK

        9 years ago

        Swanson is 22 next year, he’s not that far away. He could easily be in the bigs in late 2016.

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        • JT19

          9 years ago

          He could, I’m not denying that. I don’t know what his numbers are in the minors (if he’s played there) but going from College to the pros is a big step. He could also easily develop into an All-Star but I think realisticly he’s 2-3 years away from being an everyday contributer.

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          • chesteraarthur

            9 years ago

            Yeah, nothing like making a statement about whether a player can make an impact and then immediately following it up with, ” don’t know what his numbers are in the minors (if he’s played there)”. You seem to be SUPER informed.

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  77. YourDaddy

    9 years ago

    WOW! A 25 year OF starter who is a good hitter and plus defender at all 3 positions AND a 5 wAR player, PLUS a 23 year old RH starting pitcher who is already in AAA AND the #1 overall draft pick. Holy frijole. That is a major haul.

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  78. scottaz

    9 years ago

    I had a feeling that if the D’backs dangled a No. 1 pick instead of AJ, they could get the job done. Well done TLR and DS!

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  79. soxsam32

    9 years ago

    From what I’m hearing this is one of the worst trades I’ve ever seen, possibly worse than the first Adrian Gonzalez trade(the one that sent Anthony Rizzo out of Boston). How can you dump your entire farm and a good defensive OF for a number 3 pitcher?

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    • xalz

      9 years ago

      Rizzo is looking like the real deal. There are just as many Delmon Young stories to be told when it comes to prospects. For all the bellyaching, Shelby Miller is quite good and only two years into his career. He succeeded on a horrible Atlanta team for most of the year and looked tired toward the end. The Diamondbacks cemented a three-man rotation for years to come with the position player support they need to contend in the NL West. We shall see how quickly the pieces Atlanta received materialize into playoff contenders or if they turn into more Delmon Youngs. 2016 and beyond just became more interesting for both teams.

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  80. Ryan6

    9 years ago

    Holy Crap!

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  81. RunDMC

    9 years ago

    I wonder where Inciarte plays — could foreshadow moving Markakis, possibly for bullpen help? Dansby Swanson – a GA high schooler – played 2B mostly before moving to SS. I wonder if he’s going to switch back to 2B, allowing Albies to stay at SS long-term. Those two together would be an incredible combo with their speed, OBP and defensive presence at such a young age. Let’s hope Austin Riley continues to flourish at 3B. Very excited Braves fan with this trade. Can’t wait to see what Blair turns out – he’s rated higher than Touki.

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  82. weekapaug09

    9 years ago

    Does this bump ATL into the discussion of best farm system in the league?

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    • kent814

      9 years ago

      No the cubs and red sox still have deeper and more balanced systems with fewer pitchers tho which the braves have plenty of

      Reply
      • Ray Ray

        9 years ago

        Rockies are better than Cubs and Red Sox.

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  83. jaysforlife

    9 years ago

    Unreal.

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  84. sportfan

    9 years ago

    As a Braves fan I love this this trade from the Braves point of view.Shelby Miller he is a very good pitcher. But to be able to received the DBacks Number one and 3rd overall prospect plus a very good hitter in Inciarte that is a huge return. WOW

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  85. weekapaug09 2

    9 years ago

    When they said no Pollock, I was disappointed. Had no idea Swanson was in play. Really like this move from the Braves side.

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  86. bobbycurls

    9 years ago

    wow this must be a tough pill to swallow for Dbacks followers. As a Rangers fan, I wonder what this is going to do to the sp market. Not looking to trade Gallo, Mazara, and Deshields for a #3…

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    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      Trades don’t trend though, no one trade influences another.

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  87. flynn1280

    9 years ago

    Excellent trade by the Braves!

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  88. everlastingdave

    9 years ago

    This is a LOT more than I was expecting Atlanta to get.

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  89. A'sfaninUK

    9 years ago

    Why didn’t AZ just tell the league Swanson was on the table? I’m sure they could have gotten a way better pitcher than Miller, whos good, but not “trade the #1 pick in the draft for” good.

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    • aff10

      9 years ago

      It’s not just Swanson though. Inciarte is one of the best outfielders in the NL

      Reply
  90. Joe McMahon

    9 years ago

    Everyone go home. The Braves just won the offseason.

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  91. chop

    9 years ago

    What a downright steal. The Braves murdered the Diamondbacks in this deal. Did Stewart press the wrong speed dial button trying to deal for Jose Ferndandez?

    DS: “hey, you have a deal for that SP. inciarte, Swanson, and Blair”

    Coppy: *silence*…”um, ok. I’ll call Ken Rosenthal to finalize it.”

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    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      100% correct. No way Stewart traded that package for Shelby Miller.

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  92. chop

    9 years ago

    I believe the Braves have won the last three trades against the Diamondbacks. Justin Upton, Touki Toussaint, and now Inciarte/Swanson/Blair. Maybe they can’t handle the pressure. Maybe Tony La Russa really likes his former cardinals player….I just hope they kee trading with the Braves.

    WHAT A DEAL.

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  93. JT19

    9 years ago

    D’Back fans, you do realize that signing Greinke is a win-now move right? The team, as constructed would be a threat to contend, but isn’t a team that will definetly contend (Royals, Cardinals). As such, moves need to be made to put the team in position to win. Signing Greinke tied up most of the remaining money they had, meaning additions have to come through trades.

    While Inciarte is a everyday contributer, Swanson and Blair are probably at least two years (probably longer) from being major contributers to a playoff team. Trading prospects is necessary to bring in contributers if you are trying to contend. Just because you are desperate to get rid of Aaron Hill doesn’t mean he’s going to be the headliner in a deal for a good pitcher. And while I don’t know how highly regarded Owings, Lamb or Ahmed is, obviously they are either not valuable enough in the Braves’ eye to get Miller or the D’Backs value they more highly than a guy who was just drafted.

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    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      Greinke’s NOT a win-now move, they gave him 6 years. Its “win in the next 6 years”.

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      • xalz

        9 years ago

        And your top three starters are set for half that time.

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      • JT19

        9 years ago

        Do you realisticly expect for Greinke to be putting up the production he has the last few years in the final year or two? Possibly, but not likely. Any big contract signing (Cano,Hamilton,Pujols,Heyward, Price) is a win now move. Maybe not the year it was signed, but the expectation is that the team is trying to win within the next 2-5 years (depending on the player and his age) and the rest of the contract is fluff to get him to sign. Please give me any big signing where the intention is not to put a contending team out there in the next few years and I will consider changing my beliefs that Greinke was a win-now move.

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    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      Blair was in AAA this year and Swanson is a polished 22 year old in 2016 and already wrecking shop in the minors. BOTH will most likely be in the bigs in 2016 at some point.

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      • JT19

        9 years ago

        But as major contributers to a contending team? Most likely not. 2017 maybe but even that is a stretch. And unless their name is Trout/Harper/Bryant theres not many prospects that are contributing at All-Star rate in their first year or two.

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    • bobbycurls

      9 years ago

      I wouldn’t say cardinals are really guaranteed to contend with their current rotation after losing lackey, lynn (TJS), and who knows about Martinez’ arm…

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      • JT19

        9 years ago

        No, but they are a team that consistently contends is the point I was trying to make. I admit their chances look worse considering who they’ve lost, but they’re a team who always finds a way to win.

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    • meatloaf

      9 years ago

      Nobody is saying they’re against trading prospects, but you don’t trade your #1 pick for Shelby F*cking Miller!

      Win now mode does not men toss all your prospects to the wind.

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    • chesteraarthur

      9 years ago

      Blair is MLB ready right now and Swanson was a number 1 overall college bat who was supposed to be advanced. I doubt it takes two years for him to come up.

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  94. bravesfan 7

    9 years ago

    The Braves tradde Heyward for Tyrell Jenkins, Inciarte, Blair, and Swanson!

    Reply
    • vtncsc

      9 years ago

      and still have holes all over the roster.

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      • billyheywood

        9 years ago

        Go take a lap, Debbie Downer. This isn’t the 1990’s anymore.

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    • NL_East_Rivalry

      9 years ago

      Dont forget that year of watching Miller. It was nice to have him so we could send someone to the All-Star Game.

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  95. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    9 years ago

    Hmm… I feel like this ridiculous package might have been enough to get Matt Harvey or Jose Fernandez, both of whom are better than Miller and with the same amount of control left. Wouldn’t they have rather traded for one of those guys?

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    • xalz

      9 years ago

      No way, Jose. He would actually require Pollock. Say what you want about prospects… I have some possible gold mines for sale if you are interested.

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    • nixon07

      9 years ago

      “I feel like this ridiculous package might have been enough to get Matt Harvey or Jose Fernandez,”

      the first problem is “you feel” there’s a reason you don’t work in a major league front office. Don’t you think they checked in on Jose and realized it was going to take a lot more to get him away from Miami.

      Of course they would have liked Jose or Matt, but the asking price might have been extremely steep.

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  96. bobbycurls

    9 years ago

    clarkspencer ‏@clarkspencer 5m5 minutes ago
    Hearing that #Marlins had deal working with D-Backs: Jose Fernandez for Corbin, Swanson and 3 others — until Zona landed Shelby Miller.

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    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      They blew it so hard. There is a massive cavern between Fernandez and Miller. They are definitely not on the same tier of pitcher. Stewart needs to be fired over this.

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      • scottaz

        9 years ago

        Wrong. Stewart needs a raise for what he’s done. He got the SP we needed without giving up AJ.

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      • Mike_Davis

        9 years ago

        The Fernandez deal was going to be a way steeper price than what the Dbacks paid for Miller. You have to assume that both Inciarte & Blair along with another top prospect would have been included.

        It could have been: C0rbin, Inciarte, Swanson, Blair, & one of Lamb/Drury/Shipley/Young.

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      • Ray Ray

        9 years ago

        Just a short time ago, Miller (#5) was a higher rated prospect than Fernandez. (#6). Not massively higher, but higher nonetheless. People always seem to forget that. Not to mention the fact that Fernandez is one bad pitch away from a probable career ending second TJ surgery. It’s a risk, but I applaud the D-Backs for at least trying. I wish my team would try occasionally.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          9 years ago

          For Christ’s sake! Fernandez had Tommy John surgery. Then he recovered from it. It’s done. He doesn’t need it anymore and is at no greater risk than anyone else of needing it now. If anything Miller is of a greater risk because Fernandez has already “gotten it out of the way.”

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          • Ray Ray

            9 years ago

            He is a greater risk because he hasn’t had TJ surgery? I think that might be the dumbest thing I have ever read on this site. Eh, maybe not, but it is up there.

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  97. maxamillion

    9 years ago

    Wow…this actually makes Dombrowski look like he knows how to trade prospects.

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  98. loknim

    9 years ago

    I would rather have Miller for Swanson, Blair, and Incartier

    than

    Fernandez for Corbin, Swanson, Blair, Incartier, and Pollock.

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  99. scottaz

    9 years ago

    What I’m reading on this post is exactly what the D’backs would hope for from the Braves. Swanson was the number one pick in the draft, so he’s going to be a Superstar. Read even the D’backs own evaluations of Swanson. He’ll be a solid, average ML SS, no power, no projection for power, great club house presence, great teammate. He won’t be a superstar like many Number One picks were projected. D’backs sold high on Inciarte. He was a Rule 5 pick that didn’t work out with the Phillies, so was returned to the D’backs. Blair is projected to be a #3 or #4 starter. D’backs pulled in a solid #2 or #3 starter, and their rotation for the playoffs now looks like this #1 Greinke, #2 Corbin, #3 Miller. WS here we come!

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    • Jordan R.

      9 years ago

      This analysis of the trade is almost as bad as the trade itself…

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    • bravesfan1970

      9 years ago

      Swanson is not without power–maybe not HR power, but he definitely has line drive power. Quite a few doubles and triples both in college and in the minors, in a very limited number of at bats. Very good speed. Great prospect.

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  100. therealryan

    9 years ago

    Hahaha. Arizona traded away five years of Inciarte for three years of Miller, even though Inciarte is better. On top of that, they added a near MLB ready SP who projects to be nearly as good as Miller and a SS who was the best player in the most recent MLB draft. This is one of the most lopsided trades in recent history and an absolute steel for Atlanta. Wow! Just…wow!

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  101. Bombercules

    9 years ago

    I thought we fired Kevin Towers…

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    • SixFlagsMagicPadres

      9 years ago

      Right before this trade occured, in the wake of the Grienke signing, Stewart was thinking to himself, “”What would Kevin do?””

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  102. MrAnderson1018

    9 years ago

    This trade makes me so sick. Doesn’t matter who’s in charge, every few years the Dbacks have to make a giant stupid Win Now trade that never works. Let’s list them now

    The whole team for Richie Sexson
    CarGo for Haren
    Scherzer for Ian Kennedy
    Bauer, Parker, Skaggs for no one
    Touki for 6 mil

    I just read an article that said Stewart wouldn’t “mortgage the farm system just like Kevin towers did”. And look what he does. Unbelievable. Totally ridiculous

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    • Joe McMahon

      9 years ago

      Don’t forget the Trumbo deal.

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      • Joe McMahon

        9 years ago

        Nvm, you did mention Skaggs.

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    • Bombercules

      9 years ago

      “CarGo for Haren” really? It wasn’t Haren’s fault that Webb died and everybody else on that team sucked. Then they got Corbin and Skaggs in exchange for him. Not to take away from what Carlos Gonzalez has done (even though nobody knew at the time he’d be an all-star), but that was a decent move that worked out well for them.

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  103. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    9 years ago

    I’m giving Stewart and TLR a bit of advice because the Diamondbacks are the only division rival I don’t hate. Do NOT trade for any one year rentals! We’ve seen these massive offseason overhauls before and they usually don’t work in the first year. You need a group you can keep together for at least 3 years.
    Plus, we all know the Giants are going to win the WS this season anyway.

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  104. hojostache

    9 years ago

    Wow …the Barves cleaned up! It was like Towers was back and itching to get a #3…no matter what!

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  105. greatd

    9 years ago

    The price for controllable SPs are going nuts.
    Braves got a kings ransom for a #3 starter.
    Wonder how much the Marlins will want now that they have a guide on what to expect.

    Also wonder how much the Mets are going to get
    if they try to trade Harvey next year in a market with less SPs available.

    Wonder if this will alter drafting strategies for years to come.

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    • southbeachbully

      9 years ago

      Shelby Miller is far better than a #3 starter. Look beyond his W/L record. He was top 25 in WAR and FIP and top 15 in ERA. He’s only 25 and possibly heading into his prime. Not to mention he’s cheap. Look at what Sanardjiza just signed for.

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      • mookiessnarl

        9 years ago

        He’s not really that much better than a number 3. He had 3.4 fWAR last season, but that number doesn’t exactly scream TOR arm. He also had a 4.07 xFIP. He’ll regress next season. All in all he had one really excellent half of baseball last season. In the second half he was much more human. His K rate and BB rate aren’t very inspiring either. A nice pitcher, particularly since he”s young and controllable, but there are plenty of guys with more upside I wouldn’t have even given half as much for. The Braves did good getting such a haul and selling high on Miller.

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  106. link2217

    9 years ago

    So glad the Cubs stayed away from Miller. Especially for that price. Congrats to the braves for a fantastic trade.

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  107. southbeachbully

    9 years ago

    Wow…that’s a pretty significant haul for the Braves. I like the fact that they took 1 asset that probably wouldn’t be around once they were ready to compete and turned it into 4 possible contributors. Nice move.

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    • trueblue442

      9 years ago

      This kind of reckless splurging on mlb ready talent was done last year by San Diego. The outcome was not pretty. The Padres are now back peddling to try and replenish their farm system. I give Arizona a one or two year window, and after they will become the Phillies of the NL West.

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      • billyheywood

        9 years ago

        What if they become the spectacular failure of splurging that is the Los Angeles Dodgers?

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        • trueblue442

          9 years ago

          A lot of the money that the Dodgers splurged was on rejuvenating the farm system.

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        • mattg-5

          9 years ago

          You mean the team that after all that failure of splurging has the #2 farm in baseball? Theyd be lucky.

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        • billyheywood

          9 years ago

          Oh I’m sorry guys, I thought the definition of success was a World Series. My apologies.

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  108. ronnyalton

    9 years ago

    This is…. Wow. Great haul for Atlanta. They filled the needs they were aiming for with this one. Impressive Coppy. Very impressive.

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  109. vamosbravos

    9 years ago

    Anyone want to bet me my 57′ PSA 7 Milwaukee Braves 25 card team set whether or not, Freddie Freeman would have signed a contract extension in 2014 if he knew that he would be playing on the equivalent of the Triple A Gwinnett Braves team in 2016 & beyond (at least until 20′, IMHO). I kind of think not, but then again, I have been wrong before.

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    • davbee

      9 years ago

      Funny, that’s what they said in KC when the Royals traded Greinke and got some guys named Cain, Escobar and Odorizzi (who they flipped to help get Davis and Shields) in return

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    • billyheywood

      9 years ago

      2020? You’re delusional.

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  110. MrAnderson1018

    9 years ago

    Hopefully there’s a domestic dispute so this trade doesn’t go thru

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    • Priggs89

      9 years ago

      Lol that’s horrible, but it did make me laugh. Good work

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  111. nccubsfan 2

    9 years ago

    Happy Braves fan here! Very nice trade!

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  112. chop

    9 years ago

    So I just found this in an Arizona newspaper from this past trade deadline:

    Stewart was interrupted by one of the hosts, who asked if he was saying what it sounded like he was saying – that the Padres wanted Goldschmidt for Kimbrel.
    “Now you get it,” Stewart said. “I’ve had some dealings with their club during the winter meetings. You can’t fault a club for asking. You never know. On a given day, maybe I was injected with some kind of drug that would make me say yes.”

    I’m guessing today was one of those days for Mr. Stewart.

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  113. mlbguy87

    9 years ago

    I think a lot of you are underestimating Shelby miller and the state of the Diamondbacks. Miller was one of the best pitchers in the NL last year, he will slot nicely behind Greinke in the rotation. Inciarte was going to be the dbacks 4th OF this year. With Brito and Obrien in the minors and dbacks wanting to give Tomas a full season in RF, inciarte became expendable. Also the dbacks already have a log jam infielders with Ahmed, owings, hill, lamb, drury. I think both teams got exactly what they wanted in this trade.

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  114. kman5000

    9 years ago

    Not to be cliche, but time will tell on this one. If the D’Backs so much as make the NLCS this season the trade won’t hurt as much. You have to be in win now mode with the Greinke signing. The D’backs couldn’t and can’t afford to stand pat. Inciarte is the biggest loss here. He is more valuable than Miller alone. I believe, not that anybody cares what I believe, that there is a strong possibility that Blair and/or Swanson could be overvalued. Too early to tell if they’ll ever be major league stars. The only measurable loss right now is that the D’backs probably could have gotten a much larger return with this same package.

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  115. Backatitagain

    9 years ago

    If the Arizona-Atlanta trade from today is a template, the Braves can send pitchers Julio Teheran (Better than Miller) and Jose A. Ramirez (Received in trade from Mariners earlier this year, better than Gabe Speir) to the Chicago Cubs for a package of Javier Baez (not quite Inciarte) and prospects Gleybar Torres, SS, #1 (not quite Swanson) and Carl Edwards, P, #3 (almost the same as Blair),

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    • chesteraarthur

      9 years ago

      Torres is ranked higher than Swanson. And no, Theo has said that they gave up because the price of playing poker was too high or some other weird statement.

      Reply
      • Backatitagain

        9 years ago

        No, you are wrong. Gleybar in 29th while Swanson was 10th overall. It must be the midwest fantasy syndrome.

        Reply
    • MLB4LIFE

      9 years ago

      Theo isnt as crazy as stewart is..The Cubs made a bad value trade with the Yankees,but that was for a salary dump more than anything.

      Reply
  116. jd396

    9 years ago

    D-Backs ain’t screwing around. I hope they can give LA and SF a run for their money. Do I see that actually happening? Not really.

    Reply
  117. norcalblue

    9 years ago

    I truly feel sorry for AZ fans. The lasting damage this GM is doing will take many years (or spending the wealth of a very rich new owner) to remedy.

    D. Stewart reminds me of Tommy Lasorda impersonating a GM (Konerko for one year of Jeff Shaw, Pedro for Delino D.) or Colletti (Carlos Santana for Casey Blake). Short-sighted, lazy, clueless “baseball men” entrusted with a baseball team can be a scary proposition.

    I am a Dodger fan and I am so thankful that Guggenheim rescued our franchise from McCheap. It took another three years to get rid of the all the management incompetence the old regime left behind. Fortunately, Guggenheim has the money to buy its way out of the talent-gap hole the prior FO created. AZ will soon find itself in need of an equally rich savior.

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  118. chri

    9 years ago

    Braves REALLY want that first overall pick in the 2017 draft don’t they? They really may be worse than the Phillies this year lol

    They are basically doing the same thing the Astros did a few years back, lets see if it works out again.

    Amazing that the Braves were a 96 win team in 2013 but could easily lose 100+ games next year.

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    • chesteraarthur

      9 years ago

      Just shut up. This was an unbelievably good trade for the Braves. There is a really good chance that Inciearte and Blair out produce Miller next year.

      Reply
      • Ray Ray

        9 years ago

        Blair has done nothing yet in the big leagues. I agree that it was a good trade for the Braves, but it is not a “really good chance” that Inciarte and Blair outproduce Miller in 2016. It could happen, but it is not likely.

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        • vwnut13

          9 years ago

          Inciarte has outproduced Miller the past two years alone, so…

          Reply
        • R.D.

          9 years ago

          No really, it is a good chance.

          Reply
  119. RunDMC

    9 years ago

    This new commenting sucks. Just plain sucks. You can’t edit your own comments. Get in the game, guys.

    Reply
  120. ronnyalton

    9 years ago

    One has to wonder if the nl east hates this trade.I would be terrified in the next 2 years when some of these Atlanta kids come up in the bigs after all this farm overhauling .

    Reply
  121. Lanidrac

    9 years ago

    This is a great haul for the Braves, but I have to question their intention to contend in 2017. At this rate, they’re not going to have enough pitching by then to pull it off.

    Reply
  122. chicubbies1

    9 years ago

    What an over pay job by Arizona. They’ll be regretting it by July when miller’s era is above 4 in hitter friendly AZ. I get what Arizona is doing, but they’re really handcuff themselves. First with greinke who likely won’t live up to that contract, now dealing young ML talent and your first pick and first overall from last year’s draft?! For a mid rotation quality arm?! Insane. I hope Arizona is loaded with other prospects because that is the only explanation for this insanity. Thing too is, Arizona still doesn’t wow me personnel-wise. They still have a well below average bullpen. La Rusa and co. Have lost their minds. Their pulling their poor man’s version of what the Dodgers have been trying to do and what the Yankees did before them. I’m saying 65-35 are the odds this offseason blows up in their face.

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  123. R.D.

    9 years ago

    As a braves fan:

    “Yaaaaaasssss”

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  124. restinpeacebraves

    9 years ago

    “Blair, 23, is a little more than two years removed from being a first-rounder himself (albeit, a compensatory first-round pick). Arizona selected him 36th overall in 2003”

    The DBacks drafted him when he was 13?

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  125. bravesfan13

    9 years ago

    To all the braves fans bashing this trade lets just think for a minute. Yes Shelby was good and I hated to see him go but he only impacted the team once every five days. The guys we got back, Swanson and inciarte will impact us on an everyday basis and be a huge upgrade in the lineup with freeman and Olivera cause we all know how desperately the braves needed some offense

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    • Jon429

      9 years ago

      If Braves fans are bashing this trade then they must be Diamondbacks in disguise. This is almost the reverse of the Mark Teixeira trade deal that Schuerholz made in his last year as GM.

      Reply
  126. nccubsfan 2

    9 years ago

    1. Inciarte CF
    2. Aybar SS
    3. Freeman 1B
    4. Olivera LF
    5. Pierzynski C
    6. Markakis RF
    7. Beckham / Garcia 3B
    8. Peterson 2B
    9. Pitcher

    Doesn’t look terrible. We made 2 pretty big offensive upgrades from last year.

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    • 2016aAintSoBad

      9 years ago

      That is a nice 1-2 punch at the top of the order. This team will be better than last year. Of that, I have no doubts.

      Reply
      • R.D.

        9 years ago

        As long as someone slots in well behind Teheran. Hopefully Blair. He dominated in Arizona’s minors at every level.

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      • gojira15

        9 years ago

        Defensively good team, but it looks pretty bad offensively. It looks like No. 2 and No. 7 hitters plus Freddie Freeman.

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  127. scottaz

    9 years ago

    Open invitation to everyone bashing the D’backs for this trade to join me here next October when the D’backs are driving toward a WS victory. You’ll have nothing else to do. Your FO hasn’t dramatically upgraded your team, so celebrate with me instead of bashing your FO and team.

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    • genius.gm.on.mlb.the.show

      9 years ago

      You’re a homer. They could trade goldschmidt for carl crawford and you would say its a terrific deal

      Reply
    • davidcoonce74

      9 years ago

      Does the offer still stand?

      Reply
    • coldbeatle89

      8 years ago

      Yeah, how’s that offer now?

      Reply
  128. SixFlagsMagicPadres

    9 years ago

    Looks like Christmas came early for both Diamondbacks and Braves fans.

    Reply
  129. tbones3141

    9 years ago

    Do we need to now trade Tehran for Baez, to play 3B? I know he strikes out a good bit, but we need a thumper to go along with all our obp guys…

    MArkakis
    Inciarte
    Freeman
    Olivera
    AJ
    Baez
    aybar
    peterson

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    • R.D.

      9 years ago

      Doubt Teheran is going anywhere now.

      Reply
  130. R.D.

    9 years ago

    Hart is legitimately just sitting around looking at a list of GMs and asking which one is the thirstiest to win. It stocked the farm thanks to San Diego last year and he thought it would be the Cubs front office and they didn’t crack.

    This deal is so awesome.

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    • azbraves20

      9 years ago

      As an Az native and long time braves fan it’s tough to see the local team get hosed on trades, but I love trading with az as a braves fan. Would love to see Az win 1 world series with grienke and miller and swanson win 3 plus with the braves.

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