The Giants are interested in Indians closer Chris Perez, Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports report. The Indians, 47-48 after losing four consecutive games, are not planning a massive overhaul in the next week, since they intend to contend in 2013. Yet the Indians constantly gauge trade interest in their roster and could move established players strategically before the end of the month.
If the Indians trade Major Leaguers such as Perez and Shin-Soo Choo, they’d look to obtain players who could strengthen their current team, Rosenthal and Morosi report. GM Chris Antonetti has been monitoring the trade market for a starting pitcher and a right-handed bat.
Perez, 27, has a 3.06 ERA with 10.4 K/9, 1.8 BB/9 and 26 saves so far this year. The right-hander earns $4.5MM in 2012 and can expect a raise to $7MM or so after the season, when he's arbitration eligible for the third time. Perez, a super two player, will remain under team control through 2014.
Giants relievers have combined for a 3.41 ERA with 7.8 K/9 and 3.2 BB/9 so far this year. However, closer Brian Wilson will miss the remainder of the season after undergoing Tommy John surgery and Guillermo Mota is on the restricted list following a 100-game suspension.
Shin-Soo Choo to the Yankees would be perfect. way less in terms of prospects compared to Justin Upton.
I could see Vinnie Pestano easily sliding into the closer role if they want to move Perez.
Now, do the Indians really want to trade one of their few recognizable stars, a player who has a big mouth and even criticized the fans for not showing and STILL manages to remain popular with the fans?
The Indians have the lowest attendance in all of baseball. Do they want to be even less recognizable than they already are to their fans?
You trade with the future in mind–with the goal of improving the long term success of the franchise. As long as you are able to accomplish this goal, then any loss in attendance or of the fan base will be offset by the better performing team down the road.
Fans will jump back on the bandwagon if the team is able to become competitive.
Well, it hasn’t quite happened that way for the Tribe. They have made trades with the future in mind. Most of the players haven’t turned out to be a part of the future. They still have low attendance, and they just seem to be in a cycle right now where they are spinning their wheels.
It’s like they keep shipping everyone out for a tomorrow that never comes. And they happen to be in a division that’s pretty lousy-adding a good player or two and a good pitcher or two could make the difference-and they never do it.
No money=no new players=no fans at the park. Rinse, repeat. That franchise is on life support-and I am not picking on them-I like the Indians and I appreciate what they are trying to do. But I think they need a new plan.
1) Pestano could slide into Perez’ role quite easily. The question becomes – who is going to slide into Pestano’s role? Can Rogers do the job?
2) Dear Yankee fan – IF Choo goes anywhere its not going to be for prospects.
then what position are you guys in need?
SP major league ready.
how ready?
major league
what about seth rosin
Make it a package…Perez and Choo!! 🙂
Totally agree. Choo has been put in the leadoff spot when he was struggling but could easily be a perfect 6th hitter behind Pablo. I’ve been a Choo fan since his first year with Indians. Get’r done Sabean with some black magic please!
Is it too much to ask for Asdrubal Cabrera as well 😀 haha
If Sabean somehow did that package. No one and I mean no one can speak ill of him for at least errr…1 year lol.
unless Belt is part of the deal.. then some fans would go bonkers
They can have Belt if we were to get both Choo and Perez! Posey shift to first and Sanchez behind the plate with Joseph or Whiteside as the backup.
1. Blanco – Pagan
2. Theriot
3. Cabrera
4. Posey
5. Sandoval
6. Choo
7. Sanchez
8. Crawford
9. Pitchers Spot
Withe the starting pitching the way it is put casilla back to the 8th inning and let Perez close it out…all = scary! Sit down Dodgers as there are no moves you can make this week that will help you get past this!!!!
Hector can’t handle full time catcher. And Posey loses value as a full time 1B
Agreed. Hector or Hacktor is not a full-time C yet. His D and framing pitches need tons of work. Not sure if the Giants can make him take more walks with his approach but if he were to that he would be more valuable than just playing once or twice a week.
he is a full time catcher
No he is not. Like rainyperez said, he needs a lot of work behind the plate and is still a poor hitter.
Why does it matter if he loses value? Giants aren’t going to move him anytime soon, and if anything him moving to 1B should increase value. Less of a demanding position therefore less opportunity for injury and fewer days off at 1B
Posey is a far better catcher than he is 1B. He’s a leader and a great game caller. Plus being a .300 hitter with 20HR’s is great for a C.
1B is a position you would prefer to have a 30+ Hr guy. Posey will never hit 30. Posey is a passible at best at 1B.
of course you would prefer a 30 hr threat at first, but the giants are going to have many of those anyway because of their ballpark.
Getting Choo and not using his OBP in one of the top 2 spots in the order would be kinda dumb
If they’re asking for Belt I would do that deal more than I would not do that deal.
It gives them opportunity to have Perez who they can sell in the offseason if Wilson isn’t 100% and nets them additional prospects or they keep Perez and bolster an already great bullpen.
Giants then put Choo in LF shift Cabrera to right. They can extend Choo or pay arbitration for two more additional years.
He’s gotta keep what he trades for! Letting Beltran walk was disastrous now that Zack Wheeler is looking real good now! Sabean is stupid go not at least offering Beltran Huff money!
This package would not come cheap. Perez is having by far the best year of his career and has two more years of control left. Also, Choo looks like he is back to his old form and has another year of team control. A deal like this would likely decimate the Giants’ farm system.
I don’t think Perez would cost too much since he’s in his 3rd arbitration coming up next season. Choo on the other hand might cost a little more.
Actually Perez’s first year in Clev (2010) was his best year.
Wrong.
10.44 k/9 (2012) vs 8.71 k/9 (2010)
1.78 BB/9 vs 4.00 BB/9
0.51 HR/9 vs 0.57 HR/9
40.2% GB% vs 35.3% GB%
2.08 FIP vs 3.54 FIP
This is a perfect example of why ERA doesn’t tell nearly the whole story. Perez has been far and away a better pitcher this year than in 2010.
Gesundheit!
I’m down for trading both of those players if its the right deal. We need an outfield bat, specifically a right handed one, and pitching. Really an impact bat almost anywhere would be helpful, Mccallister pitched well in his last start we just gave him no support.
It doesn’t make sense to trade Choo. If he is traded, then there is a hole in RF. You’re just trading a hole for another hole. It doesn’t accomplish anything, except trading away a relatively young and well loved player by the fans, who just happens to hit and play good defense.
braves would go hanson and mejia,+diaz for perez and choo
I’m also guessing the Giants would love to acquire Choo. Not only for his presence in the lineup….but they have long sought a marketable Asian player.
Well at least the Giants know he isn’t Shinjo and Choo can actually DH.
The Giants can have Marmol.
I’m sure the Dodgers would like CP too. But what do either of those teams have to offer the Indians? They need starting pitching period. I don’t see it happening.
Why? they have jansen and guerra if he can get his head back on straight.
Go get him Sabean! Just dont give away the damn house…
so who do you propose we trade then?
Belt, scheirholtz, Penny and affeldt?
How about Brown instead
Hmm, trade Lincecum for Asdrubal, Choo and Perez?
1. Choo
2. A. Cabrera
3. M. Cabrera
4. Posey
5. Sandoval
6. Pagan/Blanco
7. Crawford
8. Huff/Pill/Sanchez/
9. Pitchers Spot
I’d like that lineup with Perez closing games…
where would asdrubal play brandon and asdrubal are both shortstops good lineup though i would take crawford out have asdrubal play ss keep theriot in lineup and have hector bat 7th and theriot eighth
The Giants should reacquire Jonathon Sanchez, then trade him for Choo.
Other than Bochy’s stubborness, why won’t he just put Romo in as closer? The bullpen hasn’t been that bad, its just that the recent string of blown saves makes it look worse than it is. It could use more depth, but not necessarily a closer. I’m not sure that Perez will be worth the prospects given up. He has never seemed as dominating as his saves total indicates.
Romo can’t pitch three/four days in a row. Slider is too much pressure on the elbow and he also has bad knees.
I’m not a Bochy fan, but Romo is being used properly. He’s the team’s best reliever by far and he should be used in the highest leverage situations, more often than not those aren’t closing situations.
Did that make sense? If he’s the team’s best reliever by far, then what is more important than protecting a 1-run lead in the 11th? Using your BEST reliever! I say Ca-sillla-LATER! He’s used up his chances. The Dodgers just refuse to lose lately, and I’m sick of watching the Giants get into the position to win then watching Casilla piss it away.
As a matter of fact, I asked Bochy just that to his face. I asked him why he hadn’t used Romo as the closer. (This was after Saturday’s loss to Pittsburg before the break and Boch was pissed!!…In fact, with Casilla’s blister problem, Romo did get a few opportunities to close the previous week.) Boch growled at me, “Whaddya think we been doin’?” He moved on into the stadium at that point and I wasn’t able to follow up with “Yeah, because Casilla’s blistered up. I meant “AFTER” Casilla comes back!” I learned that losing 4 of 5 leaves the usually laid-back Bochy surly! Is it just me or does Romo get EVERYBODY out, righty or lefty? Does a guy have to throw 93-95 to be a closer? NO! He does have to get guys out, and Romo’s frisbee slider is cartoonish on most days and the most entertaining pitcher to watch work. He is a master pitcher, setting up the best the NL has to offer then making them WHIFFFF and miss the slider by a foot or more! Why wasn’t Romo on the all-star team? Probably because it was loaded with guys like kimbrel (a stud, I admit). Overally, I’m sick of Casilla coming in and tossing blue tips around the gas pit!
I’d love to have Chris Perez on the giants, but if he costs as much as I think he’s going to cost, I don’t think I want to pay that much for him. GIants minor league system is very thin, and pretty much any major league ready players the giants are using to try and get into the playoffs.
I don’t see the Giants and Indians matching up well for a Chris Perez trade let alone Shin-Soo Choo. The Giants don’t have the available talent.
Choo would still be high cost for talent and almost no chance to sign LT being a Boras client. probably not a good bat for SF to target, unless they cannot find anyone else, since they would only get a season and a half out of him.
I agree with you, although I think both Choo and Perez would prosper in SF. The Giants and the Indians just don’ match up that well.
Does this mean there’s no plan to call up Heath Hembree anytime soon?
He wasn’t doing well then got hurt. He needs to gain control again.
Hembree has an elbow injury. Hasn’t pitched in weeks.
I’d rather trade Blanco than Belt and keep Nate at the leadoff spot. Blanco’s bat is clearly dead!
Giants get:
CL: Perez
RF: Choo
Indians get:
1B/OF: Belt
SP: Bumgarner
Why would we give up Bumgarner? Are you kidding me? Plus, we just extended him.
Bumgarner…LOL! good one…itll be a cold day in hell before the Giants trade MadBUm
This is the most even trade I have seen on these boards. Some of you Giants fans are throwing out trade possibilities that are absolutely absurd and Chris Antonetti will never pull the trigger.
Pssh If Indians asked for Bumgarner, Sabean would laugh and hang up.
Do you realize that both Choo and Perez are stars and have superstar potential? I think Giants fans must be delusional to think that the Tribe would give up two of their best players for a 4A player.
Worst proposal EVER!
No.
Unfortunately, given recent trades, the Tribe may come away with the “short end” again….
Belt & Nate for Chris Perez
Belt might fare better in a smaller market – less pressure.. brings power to lineup
Nate will be able to secure a starting role – brings a cannon of an arm and some pop
Giants get a solid closer
Bring up Pill to 1B and leave the 3 Amigos in the outfield
That’s giving up too easy on Belt. Need to put him in a much larger package for a bat. Pill was exposed when he was up last. He is at best a AAAA player.
Why did the Giants bring on Brad “bad” Penny anyway? Last night was disgusting! There is no room for him on this team. He looks like a typical starter, who needs 2 or 3 innings to find his groove. Well, unfortunately, he isn’t the answer. He may be an innings-eater when we trail by 4 or 5, but when is the last time that has happened? Leave Penny out of it!! I’m out! (8 teams in the past 12 years should give you some reasons…including Japan!)
Lets get real for a minute If you want Chris Perez or Choo the Indians are not going to have any interest in the soft hitting Belt they would want Pill to be part of any deal for either of those 2.
For Chris Perez alone you would be looking at Brett Pill / Gary Brown & Seth Rosin
Now if you are looking for a package of Choo & CP both then you would have to include Tommy Joseph / Jarrett Parker & Clayton Blackburn.
I have heard a rumor thought that the Braves and Red Sox are also interested in Choo I heard a rumor on MLB talk radio on Sirius that Braves were thought to be willing to deal a top prospect starter , Andrelton Simmons and Justin Heyward For Choo and Astrubul Caberra
I would love this deal if it actually happen if the starter was Julio Teheran / Simmons both major league ready and Heyward would be under team control longer than Choo it was also stated that it was thought that the Indians would also be sending a top prospect back in the deal maybe Lindor but I would make that deal in a heart beat.
But it is all meaningless because we all know that the indians will most likely move 4 to 5 guys IMHO CP / Choo / Carberra / Ubaldo ( with Fraudsto returning ) they may even find a team that needs to sure up their bench and end of the rotation and move guys like Hannahan / Damon / Lowe & Lopez for the worthless Player to be named later.
They have a ton of 4A guys to fill those slots to finish out the season like Donald / Phelps / Canzler / Laporta / Carrera / Phelps / Huff / Gomez and others.
Some fans say they would not gut the team and there reason would be that the fans would not come to the games the rest of the year well we are last at the gate in the majors leagues so i would say yes they would since the fans have not shown up all season anyways.
If the indians make these deals they very well could have the lowest payroll in all of baseball.
This would not be Dolan being cheap but Dolan being a smart Biz man by saying if you are not going to come out to the park then i will cut payroll.
Why would the Indians trade Cabrera then his eventual replacement Lindor at the deadline?
If they trade either Asdrubal, Choo, Kipnis, Brantley or Perez I will never watch another game. Yes I am a big fan. Those are the only 5 guys whos have stepped up to the plate this year.
How about Vinnie Pestano? He hasn’t stepped up this year?
How about Hannahan? Got injured but was making a killing before then.
choo and perez for shierholtz, susac, kieschnick, panik, hacker, and PTBNL.
Perez….if you read this you will finally see the pain. Every time Cleveland finds a good player, they find a way to trade for several mediocre ones. Damn I miss the Jacobs years…. Progressive field?-What’s that? The Jake was my Ebbets….$$. Thome, Ramirez, Alomar, Vizquel, Lofton….They were anchors for fans….everyone else just fills around them. I am still looking for anchors to identify with. Oh and by the way…I smoke. Bad habit, but hard to sit through a game without the opportunity to medicate. Did you know cigarette smokers paid for the Prog?- yecch. Give me a yellow line to tox behind and quit getting rid of my players. If I want to watch a baseball game with a bunch of players I don’t know I will go see the Captains or the Crushers. Good luck with your next venture. Dolan’s…sell the damned team to somebody that likes baseball.