Yesterday we heard that the Marlins intend to trade Dan Uggla and that the Blue Jays could be the favorites to acquire him if a deal does occur. Here's the latest on the second baseman:
- The Cardinals have interest in Uggla, though a source told MLB.com's Matthew Leach that the club is concerned about the cost not in dollars, but players. Leach says reports of Florida's asking price "may be misleading."
- MLB.com's Bill Ladson confirmed that the Nationals have interest in Uggla. The Marlins want both pitching and a catcher in return.
- Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com tweets that there is no sign that Uggla will relent and accept the team's four-year, $48MM contract offer.
- ESPN's Buster Olney tweets that some clubs "perceive the Marlins are absolutely intent on moving Uggla ASAP, and they are not asking for a high rate of return — a couple of decent guys, no A-plus prospects necessary."
- The Marlins are not shopping Uggla aggressively, according to Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post (on Twitter). They are concerned over the stalled extension talks and preparing in case they can't reach a deal.
- Rival executives tell Jon Heyman of SI.com that the Marlins' four-year $48MM offer was reasonable. I thought so, too.
- Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos told Jeff Blair on the FAN 590 that both Aaron Hill and Jose Bautista would be willing to shift to third base if the Blue Jays acquire "someone who can make an impact." Hill hasn't played at the hot corner since 2005, but Anthopoulos says he has enough arm strength and athleticism to handle the shift.
The Marlins are going to be smart about this and wait to see who is desperate for Uggla. If they aren’t blown away by a deal, they’ll hang on to Uggla at least until the trade deadline, or even keep him for the whole season and get the draft picks back at the end of the season.
I think Anthopolous has the patent on that…
Alex also said in that interview that he just made a free agent signing, will be interesting to see who it is.
He also said that what he was working on was ‘not done’.
He didn’t say “free agent” at all. Could be Bautista, Marcum etc.
hopefully its Marcum, he definitely deserves a raise and some security!
Yeah, he didn’t say free agent. Just that he had a signing almost done. This could well be one of his own players.
I cant wait to see what GM’s AA decides to make ‘look like fools’ 🙂
Moving Aaron Hill, who is very good at defense, to third so Dan Uggla, who couldn’t catch a slow rolling beach ball, can play second is really really stupid
Bear in mind that the Jays have Hechevarria in the system. Assuming he pulls through, Hill’s long-term position could be at 3B anyhow.
Did the jays announce which options the team is going to pick up for Hilll? I thought they had to decide soon but havent heard anything about it.
they have until opening day for all three options, or they can wait until after 2011 for two option years (most likely scenario).
Thanks!
Isn’t it kind of ironic that the decision on Aaron Hill’s options come after his worst year and one of the worst seasons a Major Leaguer had last year among qualified players? It just interesting…I’d pick the options up though.
it’s funny because usually in contract/club option years players play better!
I’d take the 2 options, I don’t know about the 3rd year for 10 mil at this point.
I don’t even really believe these Uggla rumors. You usually never hear about AA moves until they actually happen. AA along with the rest of that office is tightly lip sealed and you’re right… moving Hill to 3B so you can trade for a crappy defensive 2B makes no sense.
Honestly…I just don’t get it. Teams are cyclical, why would Toronto strike on a guy they can sign for just a compensation pick next season when they’re highly unlikely to compete for a division title next year. Maybe in 2012 or 2013 when one of the current big 3 (perhaps) falters, but for next year I don’t think the marginal value of Uggla will be worth whatever they’d have to give up to get him.
There is going to be more competition when he hits free agency.
Who knows what any sort of re-imagining of the current free agent compensation system is going to look like in the future? They can sign him for money and, possibly, not even lose a first round pick next year instead of giving up talent now for a guy who won’t put them over the top in 2011.
Also trading for and then paying a 30 year old coming off a career year is not a good operating strategy for a team with a lot of work to do to compete in its division.
Why wouldn’t they lose a first round pick? he’s a Type A free agent
If a team’s record is in the bottom half of the standings their 1st round pick is protected and they lose a 2nd round pick instead.
Yes, and the Jays didn’t finish in the bottom half this year, why would you assume they would do so next year?
They had the 13th best record in baseball, not exactly safely in the top half. Who knows if they can actually do better than that? They play in a brutally difficult division that has 3 of the strongest teams in baseball and Baltimore has a ton of talent and could easily see rebounds from guys like Markakis and Jones and development from Matusz, Wieters, etc. They also have a number of players (Bautista, Buck, Wells) coming off years they’re unlikely to repeat. There are also a number of teams behind them in the standings that, thanks to young players developing or free agency could easily improve their records.
It’s not to hate on Toronto – but I think it’s reasonable to think they could win fewer games in 2011 than in 2010.
I’m not debating on where they will end up in the 2011 standings, especially when their roster isn’t even set yet.I’m just debating the fact that in your argument you are suggesting the jays can pick up Uggla in a year for nothing, which at this point is more false then true.
That isn’t my point at all. My point is that I would FAR rather, if I were Toronto and I wasn’t realistically winning the division in 2011, give up a pick (potentially only a 2nd round pick) and money for Uggla than give up multiple prospects AND the money of a contract extension today. The prospects the Jays would give up for him now are more likely to be successful than whateve draft pick they’d later surrender to sign him. I think trading for one year of a valuable player when a team is unlikely to seriously compete is a horrible idea.
I think your overall assesment of the team is off which is leading you to your opinion. Which is fine, if we were talking about the Orioles or Royals here I would agreeWhat AA sees is a team thats coming of an 85 win season, now as much as things went good ( bautista, wells, buck ) things went bad ( lind, hill, 5th rotation spot). So its not a completely absurd assumption to assume the team is capable of 85 wins again. Now add to that, Morrow will not be shut down ( he was their best starter the second half) add to that Snider will be given a chance (finally) to play everyday, and probably the biggest reason for optimism is a new manager that will hopefully be better at manufacturing runs, and making in game decisions.To me the last piece is a better bullpen, and its perfectly reasonable to think the Jays could win 90 wins or more. Now will it be enough to win the division, or wild card? that remains to be seen, depends on how the other teams fair in the FA market or what improvements they make. but to say that the team is unlikely to seriously compete is off the mark
I think it’s unlikely that 90 wins makes for a legitimate playoff contender in the AL East and beyond that some advanced metrics suggest the Jays record was a bit lucky (in fairness, some suggest the opposite). I don’t think it’s absurd that they could put up a similar record next year. My main point is that A LOT of things need to break right for the Jays to have even a remote chance to compete for the division next season (I think most would clearly rank them the division’s 4th best team, even with Tampa likely to lose Crawford and Pena).
My point is actually that if Toronto continues to improve in 2011, or puts up a similar season, then going after a big free agent (like Uggla) and surrendering a draft pick would be a far more justifiable move than giving up legitimate prospects for him now.
Clearly stated in the beginning of this article post is that the asking price for Uggla will be about 2 respectable prospects, no necessary outstanding blue chip prospects. Fortunately for the blue jays, they have anywhere between 5 and 10 starting pitchers (many of them not exactly young anymore) who might fit in this category and will probably never pitch significant innings for the Jays. The Jays do not (and realistically how could anyone) think that Uggla will push them over the top, he is simply an upgrade on a position they just released on waivers (3b). Keep in mind, Encarnacion was being paid 5 mil a year, with a promotion due. Now factor in the value of two potential type A’s and you still have a trade that fits in line with current management strategy. No way the jays move Hill to 3rd for Uggla, Uggla moves. Not to mention a vacancy at DH/1b that will require some at bats from Lind and a currently unidentified player. The Jays would never give up anything serious for Uggla and his age/contract/defensive abilities. But they most certainly would give up a couple 25 year old pitching prospects that they have way too many of. Moonraker45 was right, you (BWOzar) like most people, have an overall assessment of the Blue Jays that is slightly off and leading to your opinion.
Also we don’t know what type of FA he’ll be – if he has a putrid ’11 he could be Type B or nothing at all.
First off, the Jays should be playing to win the division every year! Who knows when another team is going to have a Tampa Bay-esque breakthrough year? Second, Toronto as of right now stacks up well for second in the East. Tampa is going to lose a lot of guys and as of right now. Boston needs to make moves before they’re going to be any good. Uggla is only 30 and isn’t showing any reasons to assume he isn’t going to be a stud for a few more years. I think this move makes a lot of sense for Toronto, we have guys to move! AA has put us in a good position to make a push as early as next year if he wants! I have faith in whatever decision he goes with!
homer much?
“Boston needs to make moves before they’re going to be any good.” hahaha, really? Or they could avoid injury and not have to use their b-squad again.
well the fact that last year’s injury rate was insane AND they will make moves this offseason, Boston will be a force in 2011 for sure.
Uggla is incredibly consistent and is the only 2b to ever hit 4 30 plus home run seasons and has never hit less than 27 dingers. Unless he gets seriously injured or forgets how to hit, he will be a type A free agent.
Because AA appears to want the best of both worlds. Signing Uggla as an FA costs a pick and a ton of committed money. But trading for him keeps the pick intact, gives the Jays a player to keep them competitive in 2011, as well as an asset who can be converted back into prospects once his usefulness expires.
So you think a team should trade legitimate prospects (prospects are FAR surer things than draft picks) for ONE year of a guy in a season in which the team has a minuscule chance of winning the division? Could they win the division…? There’s a tiny chance if Romero and Marcum continue to develop, if Drabek can be a breakout rookie, if Morrow can harness his astounding potential and if a guy like Rzepczynski can take the next step. It’s possible…but unlikely. And the source of the Jays’ hypothetical success next year will be pitching, not another power hitter.And as dc21892 pointed out the compensation system could be changed next year – who knows if they’ll get anything back for Uggla leaving as a free agent.
Just acknowledging the comment to this – I should’ve said Cecil not Zep.
Off topic, but why did you mention Zep instead of Cecil? Cecil’s stock is a lot higher than Zep’s, and I imagine more of the team’s success is riding on Cecil.
You’re completely right – Cecil is a better pitcher than Zep, his name just came to mind first.
Sorry, but what is a “legitimate prospect”? Take a look at the Jays’ top 10 prospect list and see if you can say with certainty those who will make it in the bigs.
Also consider that every GM has a complete overview of the farm system. If the Jays consider, say, Rzep expendable, then it is likely only because they have great faith in the pitching prospects who will replace him. We’re already seeing that with recent discussions about Arencibia.
That’s exactly my point – if the top 10 prospects are a crapshoot then clearly draft picks are MUCH more of a crapshoot. And in the top 10 Jays prospects, I feel pretty good about the chances of all of the Top 8 making the majors, if not contributing. (BA ranks the top 8 as: Drabek, McGuire, Gose, D’Arnaud, Stewart, Wojciechowski, Arencibia and Perez). And that doesn’t count Hechavarria who has a legit shot as well. Actual prospects who have competed in actual minor league games are always far more accurate to evaluate than draft picks.
I don’t really buy your logic here.
If AA is willing to dispense with prospects, then they are considered disposable for very good reasons. Perhaps there are similar position players coming up fast with similar or greater potential, or perhaps the organisation’s evaluation of the prospect simply ain’t all that. But with a top draft pick you’re getting the chance to take a look at new blood that stands a better chance than most to be elite calibre.
Prospects have one of two purposes: filling an essential hole in the team’s lineup or being trade bait. Clearly AA would be trading away non-essential prospects whilst maintaining his golden draft ticket (and, of course, the dual possibilities of a guy like Uggla helping the Jays make a playoff challenge OR flipping him at the deadline)
How is a top draft pick better than a prospect who has actually established themselves in the minors? What golden draft ticket are you talking about? If the 2011 team finishes similarly to this year they’ll have a pick in the 16-19 range in next year’s draft which is not even remotely a sure thing or ‘golden ticket.’ Sure, there’s a chance you get lucky with a guy who falls or go significantly over-slot to get a player – but that hasn’t been the Jays MO. Uggla is likely to be better than an unknown late teen pick, but there’s a much better chance 3-4 prospects will be better than that pick
You’re acting like the Jays are going to be able to acquire Uggla for like the 11, 15 and 17 prospects in the system – it’s not happening. Uggla is realistically going to cost one of the top catchers and a pitching prospect and probably a low upside MLB ready guy (like Rzepczynski).
Yes, the Blue Jays should definitely trade some of their “legitimate” prospects that would probably include Brad Mills, Mark Zepalphasoup, Zach Stewart, Jesse Litsch, and Josh Roenicke among others.
And yes, we only need ONE year out of Uggla for this to be worth it. None of those guys will see much playing time for the Jays, but will see quite a bit of work for the Marlins.
I’ll take two first round compensation picks over these guys pretty much any day, and I would have to go back and check but I don’t think any of the aforementioned pitchers were a pick from the top rounds or compensation rounds.
Rays are not going anywhere next year.
And what is the DOW going to do over the next year?
Do better than the Rays next year.
Agreed. I’d pass on Uggla. Besides, he’s not good enough to hold Bautista’s moustache comb.
lol, wat? lets do a 5 yr comparison on these two, even accounting for Bautista’s ridiculous 2010
Baustista – 9.6WAR, 1.92WAR avg .243/.342/.452
Uggla – 18.8WAR, 3.76WAR avg .263/.349/.488
you have the right to your opinion, I have the right to tell you how your wrong
lol haha – lets see this year: jbau serious AL MVP candidate to NL error leader? arguing 5 years of play when one player only played one full season as an everyday player is just as much nonsense as what i just wrote
yeah, i sort of stopped reading your post when you called uggla the “NL error leader” as if errors are any MAJOR stat.
tell that to Brooks Conrad. I get your point, but errors CAN be a major stat, depending on the type of errors you’re making. what kind of response is “i stopped reading your post when…” . baseball fans have become even more pretentious than hipsters, congrats guys!
i’m perfectly fine with him saying Uggla is bad defensively, but the way he worded it. he put Bautista in a breath of silver light while bashing uggla’s defense. He also didn’t take mention that he is an elite offensive threat, even more so at his position, or the great amount of consistency he has had(something bautista hasn’t). all he did was paint Uggla in the bad light, which is being very bias. therefore, i didn’t bother reading the rest of his post because it was a biased statement that probably wouldn’t hold much water with me.
Errors are as usefull as war and uzr and range factor yadayadayada…. just like it is to compare jbau and uggla. there is no point.
Let me guess… you’re one of those people that think Jeter is actually good defensively and deserved to win the GG.
f… no – ramirez should have won.
I’m still against trading for Uggla. Offensively, he’s another high strikeout, low on base power bat. I don’t see how he will help the lineup be more consistent on a day to day basis. They have enough power, they need to get people on base ahead of the power. Defensively, Uggla is not an upgrade over Hill at 2b or Hill/Batista at 3b. I just don’t see the benefit of trading an asset for someone who doesn’t really improve the team all that much.
Low OBP? Did you look at his stats? He had .369 last year. He’s a career .350. Both are above average.
My mistake. Might have to re-evaluate my stance then.
Ok, seriously? Uggla is a “high strikout, low on base power bat”? Um, no. Of all active second basemen in the game right now, only Chase Utley (.8940) has a higher career OPS than Dan Uggla (.8366). And he’s in the top 50 overall. He’s durable, and his defensive lapses get overblown. If you look at fielding percentage, he’s right there with Kinsler and Utley. Uggla is a fantastic player, who doesn’t get enough love because he plays for the Marlins and I am hoping against hope that the Fish resign him because if we have any hopes for the playoffs next year, losing our 2010 leader in RBI’s is not a good place to start.
I wouldn’t pursue Uggla, I think at this point if prospects need to be traded it should be for athletic, obp type of players. Now granted Uggla’s career obp would rank highly up on the Jays list, but they should still aim for some speed, defense and better obp. I mean don’t we have a dan uggla type player playing second base already, minus some walks and plus with defense. Wouldn’t the team be better off looking for a speedy 2B who could lead off, steal some bases and get on base at a high rate?
Another possibility is AA is looking to ad something to a trade. Something like the Rockies get Ugla and the Jays steal a gem from one of their minor league systems.
Rox can’t afford Uggla sorry.
Hence the ‘something like’
Who will take over 2B for Marlins. Giants have Charlie Culberson who is tearing up the minors. He will be ready in either mid season or 2012.
Maybe Coughlan (too lazy to look up the spelling of his name)
if they do land Uggla, i would presume they’ll be making a playoff push as a result… this would mean a bonafide closer is needed as well .. no?
Forget Uggla…sign crawford!!
what are the marlins needs? i know of a certain team out west that needs a 2nd basemen, a power hitter, and has some free cash available….
I’m not sure, but I heard the Marlins want a catcher, and relief pitcher. Something cheap (they’re the marlins). Jays have both. I still can see this being a 3 team deal. I know this is out of left field but what if Leo Nunez is included in the deal. This could give Jays the closer they need.
How about the Dodgers trade for Uggla and put him at 3rd. Then they can have a very strong LF platoon of Casey Blake and Jay Gibbons. Second base will still have to be covered, and I think you trade Loney for a pitcher and sign Berkman or someone like that.
Any fan of a team can put together some reason to get a good player like Uggla, does not mean that it may happen. He’s not going to the Dodgers.
Do you have some inside information that he’s not going to the Dodgers? Why wouldn’t they have interest, assuming the payroll is there, which it appears to be for a change.
I’m pretty sure they don’t have any alluring catching prospects…correct me if I’m wrong.
I think it would be a good idea for the Dodgers to at least check in and see how they match up. I wonder what the Marlins would want from the Dodgers.
Why not just put him at 2nd?
How are the dodgers catching prospects? Relief pitching prospects? I heard that they gave up on Martin, but he’s to expensive for the Marlins to consider.
I donn’t care what anyone says, presidential or not, blue chip prospects will almost always carry more value when compared to a potential high school or college draft pick.
Agreed as far as *blue chip* prospects are concerned.
Hope that didn’t take the wind out of your sails. 🙂
I would love to see Uggla as a Mariner. He’s basically a better hitting Lopez (which is what we need). Uggla at 2nd and move Figgins back to 3rd. 20 – 30 HR hitter — enough to get Ichiro and Figgins home quite a few times.
Actually, a straight up Lopez for Uggla might work out for both team’s advantage. We need a better hitter and they get Lopez who can probably go on to put up better numbers for a warmer climate team.
Cool, there’s no chance he is going to the Mariners though.
The Baseball Gods would murder Florida’s GM if that ever happened…not to mention Jose Lopez.
How does giving up Dan Uggla for a 2B that’s headed towards non-tender land working out for the Marlins’ advantage?
i like uggla but it doesnt make sense for the jays to get another home run hitter when farrel sadi he wanted to get away from the wait until we hit a 3run homer game
A) Adding HR’s is NEVER a bad thing.
B) Uggla is EXACTLY what Farrell wants. aka HIGH OBP guy.
Uggla isn’t really a “high OBP guy…” his career OBP is .349. Granted, his .369 mark last year was good, but he posted the worst BB% of the last three years in 2010. His OBP was just inflated because of an uncharacteristically high BABIP that raised his batting average, and thus his OBP.
He’s probably a lock for around a .350 OBP, which is solid, but I wouldn’t say really constitutes him as a “high OBP guy.”
And before posting, I just went and looked at Toronto’s OBPs from their starting lineup… I guess .350 would be very, very good for them actually. No offense Jays fans, just saying — lots of low OBPs there last year.
Your last point is key. For Toronto, that OBP would be very good.
Trust me no offense taken. That’s why we want Uggla.
I read somewhere that the average OBP last year was .330 so uggla’s “.350” career is at least above average. That would help the Jays a lot considering most of the players on the team were very below average.
oh and this has nothing to do with uggla but does anyone think that we should pick up tony gywn jr. as a 4th out fielder if he gets non tendered by the padres?
Why? Might as well just keep Dewayne Wise.
I would rather see them sign Putz or Benoit.
# ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets that some clubs “perceive the Marlins are absolutely intent on moving Uggla ASAP, and they are not asking for a high rate of return — a couple of decent guys, no A-plus prospects necessary.”
Okay now that makes sense. AA can do trade decent prospects to acquire Uggla and perhaps look to trade him for a higher return at the deadline. I assume the only reason Marlins would do something like this is to save money. Rather than going to arbitration with Uggla and paying him 10+ mil (most of which would be paid by deadline), they save that money now and invest it on something else.
Uggla better be willing to play 3B though. I do not want him at 2nd.
what would qualify as decent…if we have the money why not be greedy, sign beltre and keep our prospects.
decent = too much in the opinion of Jays fans and not enough in the opinion of Marlins fans
So it won’t take A prospects just good ones. AA should pounce on this.
So should quite a number of other teams…
I wonder if Beane could have landed him for the same deal that got DeJesus… I’m hoping they wanted more bc I’d rather have uggla than dejesus
The Marlins will send him packing basically as a salary dump. He doesn’t want to play there, that’s clear enough. They made a market offer, but he doesn’t want to be like A Rod in Texas, making the big paycheck with 24 guys making the minimum, and the team losing.
Can’t say I blame him. If someone else in a better environment trades for him and offers the same dough, he may sign.
If I’m the Marlins, I want to get rid of him now, not later, save the 2011 salary and be glad he isn’t a mercenary.
Uggla confirmed in a interview that he wants to play for the Marlins. Nice try though.
Of course he has to say that, but he doesn’t have to mean it.
He wants to play for them so bad he rejected their offer.
His (in)action belies his words, which were scripted.
Marlinsfanatic, I live 1000 miles away and have no dog in this fight, but I’d say your team is being jilted.
SO……could the Jays land Uggla AND Greinke?
Sure, as long as the name Travis Snider is involved, that’s possible.
Snider wouldn’t cost either one.
Snider is probably one untouchable in Jays’ system. Even more so than Drabek.
no but someone named cecil very well may be
if we flush out our entire farm system then yeah
If the price is as low as they say, than the Rockies need to jump on this. There is no reason not to.
It’s already been said that the Rockies are out because they can’t afford his arb salary.
Yes, I know this was reported. But I wouldn’t count them out. Prospect cost seems to be more important than arbitration cost right now.
So a catcher and a pitcher? Maybe the Braves could offer up Christian Bethancourt and say one of Beachy, Marek, Oberholtzer, etc…
So dumb Mike Rizzo is willing to give Ugh more than the 4 year 48 million he’s rejected from the Fish PLUS give up players but he’s too stupid to sign Adam Dunn for that amount and without giving up players to boot.
Rizzo is a scout. And sometimes a Rizidiot. He needs to report to a seasoned GM who can veto those ideas/delusions of his which are hare-brained.
Part of me thinks it is a PR move but they do have pitchers they could give away, and since the Ramos trade, now Jesus Flores is expendable, if they were to go that route.
Storen and Wilson Ramos for Uggs.
Theres the pitcher and catcher and both are MLB ready.
Too much going back to the Marlins. Sorry.
I agree ha
I honestly don`t get why Hendry wouldn`t get in on this, they have a trade history with Florida and they are making it seem like they wouldn`t have to give up anything more than a Vitters, Carpenter, and Coleman. That could work out, the Cubs have been talking about making Carpenter a bullpen type guy and coleman seems ready for a full time spot in the rotation. Marlin fans what do you think?
Who DOESN’T have a trade history with the Marlins?
why not trade for colby rasmus and move wells to Rf and jose to 3rd? and then sign victor martinez to split time at first with lind and time behind the plate with jp….
Tor:Colby Rasmus
Stl:Shawn Marcum,Marc Rezchindky
Then sign a guy like jon Garlend…..
“Marc Rezchindky” may be the best thing I have ever seen. Also that package doesn’t come close to netting you Colby Rasmus. But I’m glad you at least spelt his name right in this post.
Best thing you ever saw? Then why do you propose he goes to the m arlins in your trades?
I was referring to the spelling of his name but okay.
Please cards would hang up the phone so quick
Yet you have said that Dan Uggla gets you Colby Rasmus. You’re just as delusional as that guy.
Uggla is more talented than Marcum sorry jays fans
whats your point? 3 years of Marcum is worth more than 1 year of Uggla(now if he were to sign an extension, you might be on to something).
marcum is the reason our young staff pitched well. there is more value there then meets the eyes. i would not even consider a marcum for uggla in any way. not unless stanton is involved.
Lol please don’t be crazy and bring up Stanton.
But yes, Marcum holds more value than Uggla simply due to the amount of years he is under control and cheaper too.
no offense to my fellow jays fans but yes the cards will hang up faster than you can say Rzepczinski
Rzepczynski? I know, you see less letters in an alphabet soup.
JP Arencibia and Mark Rzep.
jp or d’anaurd that they got from the phillies in the doc trade
Arencibia and cecil
Why do you even bother posting your ridiculously one-sided trade offers? Welcome to Fantasy Land. Population: You. Where Dan Uggla nets you Colby Rasmus and Kyle Drabek.
You have no idea who Uggla is then you need to go to your fantasy land were the blue jays don’t have to give up any good prospects for the best 2B available this offseason.
Lol chill man. Uggla is a great offensive 2nd baseman but he is also a RENTAL… meaning he is NOT worth Cecil and Arencibia. I wouldn’t even trade Cecil lol.
even if he is the best 2b available, he is still a 1 year rental. 1year rentals don’t net you guys like Rasmus and Drabek.
1 year rental got drabek… his name is roy halladay…. before trolls come I know he agreed to extension adn uggly is not roy halladay… jus sayin
you just disproved your own logic, what was the point in your post again(i’m only halfway trying to be smart-ass, seriously wondering why you offer the halladay example only to disprove it)?
he also costs 10 mill while rasmus, drabek, arencibia, and cecil altogether will cost less than 3 mill
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
I think Arencibia is too valuable for AA to give up. I’m thinking Carlos Perez and Rzep?
Oh and now that I think about it…..if he now wants Ugh why has Rizzo been telling us that Espinosa–he of the .214 average–is a future superstar at 2b?
How bout to the Dodgers for R.Martin, Ely, and another minor league starting pitcher? Maybe even eat some of Martin’s salary since the fish are so cheap
dont need uggla trade for cody rasmus and move wells to Rf then mone jose to 3rd…then sign victor martinez to split time with lind at first and jpa behind the plate…
Tor:cody rasmus
Stl:shawn Marcum and lower end outfield prospect
then sign a pitcher like jon garlend and you got your 5 starters garlend,marrow,cecil,ramaro,drebek
First off. Your spelling is atricious. It’s Garland. Morrow. Romero. and Drabek.
Second, you’re insane. In what fantasy baseball universe does Shaun Marcum and a mediocre prospect net you “Cody” Rasmus? That post is embarassing to fellow Blue Jays fans.
In his defense it probably does net you “Cody Rasmus”, whoever the hell that is….. haha
i think he’s referring to Colby Rasmus’ younger brother, Cody who is a farmhand in the Braves system. otherwise, he is absolutely delusional.
That’s Cory Rasmus.
one letter, meh i was close.
why not marcums and proven young starter and rasmus wants out of stl
Mozeliak throws his phone at your face
i would try to argue and reason with you, but i can already get the feeling it wouldn’t get me anywhere.
Dude, aren’t you getting tired of defending Rasmus? Seems every day you have to do it 😉
You forgot to criticize his grammar.
Lind, JPA and Rzep for Nunez and Uggla. Yes, I know that Lind has no real position. But there’s a report out of Toronto that the Jays are signing Manny so yeaaah.
this is not the post I would expect from someone with a travis snider profile picture.
take it back!
I meant that the deal s/he suggested was crazy, especially after having trash talked so much in this thread. Snider rules, d00d.
Leafs fans can practice these self-hating trade rumours; let’s hold on to the Morrow-League benchmark for now!
CRAZY!
feel like thats giving up too much from the jays side
even if lind never repeats 2009 he wont be as bad as 2010, and IMO closers are overrated (other than rivera & hoffman(years ago))
feel like thats giving up too much from the jays side
even if lind never repeats 2009 he wont be as bad as 2010, and IMO closers are overrated (other than rivera & hoffman(years ago))
rasmus = vernon (we eat half his contract remaining) so costs stl 10 mil and cecil?
A) Vernon Wells and Brett Cecil doesn’t get you CLOSE to Colby Rasmus.
B) This isn’t a Colby Rasmus thread.
C) Vernon Wells has a hell of a lot more than 20$ million remaining on his contract….
Maybe he means half of it every year? Wells would roughly cost 10 million and he is a pretty good player. Wells + Cecil for Rasmus is not that bad if Jays eat 10 million of Wells contract each year.
Doubt Cards still do it because I think they would prefer a young cheaper outfielder but it’s not like it’s WAYYYYY off.
BTW, why the sudden talk about Rasmus (not directed at you)?
because everyone wants to have a player like Rasmus on their team and his name will be mentioned in even the most non-related threads(such as this) probably up until early feb when people finally realize he isn’t available.
because everyone wants to have a player like Rasmus on their team and his name will be mentioned in even the most non-related threads(such as this) probably up until early feb when people finally realize he isn’t available.
no it still isn’t close for the cards imo
cards are pretty well off in terms of SP, and they prob. dont want to spend 10 mill per year on a vet CF when they could have a better, younger, cheaper one for league min.
I think the value is there but I know the Cards still wouldn’t do it. I said they would prefer a younger cheaper outfielder and likely plus more.
no it still isn’t close for the cards imo
cards are pretty well off in terms of SP, and they prob. dont want to spend 10 mill per year on a vet CF when they could have a better, younger, cheaper one for league min.
hullo stop being such a downer we are just trying to chat here and your coming in and shuting us down acting like you jp riccardi and vernon has 23 mill left..3 mill is not much….but tell me what does get you rasmus?
snider +
which we will never offer
snider +
which we will never offer
seeing as the cardinals aren’t shopping him and don’t even have an inclination to trade him, probably something like Snider+Drabek, which the jays will never offer. in other words, he isn’t getting traded.
Snider + Drabek for Rasmus? no way buddy.. I mean Rasmus is awesome, and has a lot of value but no way he brings back a projected front line starter and Travis Snider.
Snider = Rasmus, easily.. Now both teams won’t do the deal, but you’re really under valuing snider.
I believe this is a perfect topic for the forums. Find the “unrealistic trades” thread.
Blue Jays offer the ‘B’ off Jackie Robertson’s name that fell off in Rogers Center for Colby Rasmus.
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So, they want a pitcher and a catcher and they don’t have to be A plus players? The Cubs could pull that off. Too bad they don’t have the money for it.
Wellington Castillo and Casey Coleman? Maybe even Castillo and J. Jackson?
Where did you read that the Cubs are in the running for Uggla? Like why are you in the conversation. Stop talking.
Wow, that was kind of unnecessarily. He’s even saying that the cubs don’t have a realistic shot at Uggla, simply speculating what it would take for them to land him. How is that so ridiculous that you feel a need to target him instead of the bazillion comments regarding Rasmus?
“stop talking?” thats what my niece says to me when i ask her to do some simple chores. no offense, but that was pretty childish..
lazerball and Ferrariman, thanks for “getting” what I was saying, too bad eviola1 didn’t understand.
Zach Stewart and another decent prospect.
If not, thanks anyway.
1 baseball reporter (Buster Olney) says they are trying to move Uggla ASAP and the other reporter (Joe Capozzi says they aren’t shopping Uggla aggressively ?
Wow I don’t think you guys have a clue what the Marlins are trying to do .Lol
Well, maybe you’re looking at it too closely. Olney (National reporter) says they are shopping him, Capozzi (Local Guy) says they arent. I would guess they ARE shopping him (Realistically), with the hopes that they don’t have to trade him (to appease the small local fanbase (I say small with a great deal of confidence, lived in So Fla from 00-08, saw the fans NOT come out during the WS season until the very end, and saw the fans NOT come back out the following spring).
I would guess working out a deal is plan A, and trading is plan B that is now in high-gear.
Anyhow, that Marlins ownership is bad news, what was that story a while back about how they were hiding funds by sub-contracting through themselves? (my exaggeration, but hopefully someone recalls the topic better than I do)
It seem no one can aford Uggla but the poor old Jays. No Rockies, no Cardinals, no Cubs but only the poor old small market billion dollar corporation known as The Jays.
Jason Motte, Bryan Anderson for Uggla? Good Reliever and a good catcher what they want? It would probably not do it but eh
If the Jays can make this happen I wouldn’t be surprised if they were in the playoff hunt. With Tampa losing Pena and Crawford (most likely) I can’t see their offense putting up numbers. Another 3rd place finish just like the good ole days? Hopefully not, FLOP BOSTON FLOP!
Well, if they sign Buck from us this year then our scrapheap to Type-X FA signees tactic is working great…nets us a pick back that someone else cannot get….(sure we’re not taking anyone’s Nth-round pick, but those supplemental spots are made up of thin air, it’s a zero sum game here (only so much talent exists)….so adding another supplemental round pick takes a pick away from a subsequent round’s pool of talent)
that firsecond round is a gold mine
Agreed the Supplemental round picks are extremely worth the risk, and with all the signings of this Latin-American guys I could see us with one of the better farm systems in a few years.
As a Cubs fan, I say go for it. Send them Welington Castillo, Tom Gorzelanny, and Blake Dewitt or Darwin Barney.
Bring him to boston, drake britton and Luis exposito for uggla. It probably take anderosn also. That’s if he is willing to play 1b, 3b or OF.