The Cardinals acquired infielder Ryan Theriot from the Dodgers for righty Blake Hawksworth, according to the Dodgers' official Twitter feed. Theriot was a non-tender candidate for the Dodgers in the wake of their Juan Uribe signing, but the Cardinals have a need for him.
The Cardinals view Theriot as a shortstop and could still pursue a second baseman, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter).
Theriot, 31 next month, is intimately familiar with the NL Central after spending parts of six seasons with the Cubs. He was dealt to the Dodgers at the trade deadline this year along with Ted Lilly. Theriot struggled offensively at both stops, hitting a combined .270/.321/.312 in 640 plate appearances. He'll still be due a raise on this year's $2.6MM, a salary he was assigned after losing a February arbitration case.
Hawksworth, 28 in March, posted a 4.98 ERA, 6.1 K/9, 3.5 BB/9, 1.5 HR/9, and 51.5% groundball rate in 90 1/3 innings for the Cardinals this year. Heading into the 2008 season, Baseball America ranked Hawksworth 20th among Cardinals prospects, praising his changeup but noting his injury history and struggles against left-handed hitters.
This appears to be the first time GMs Ned Colletti and John Mozeliak matched up on a trade.
well welcome back to the Nl central The RIOT!!!
Wow, I know about 40 Cubs fans who are exceedingly unhappy right now.
Why? This move practically improves the Cubs.
Every Cubs fan I know loves him. He was a fan favorite. I’m not saying he was great, but he definitely wasn’t bad. I’m thinking he’ll bat 9th given his past success in that position and with LaRussa batting the pitcher 8th typically.
He regularly batter first or second, eighth on occasion. Major down grade defensively at SS. Surprised they gave up Hawkswirth.
how theroit is actually a good baseball player he hits for average, has some pop, can steal a bag or two, and is a solid defender(even better when moved to 2nd) all the cubs fans think he is bad because they were using him as a lead off hitter WHICH HE IS NOT AT ALL…he will be used better in the cards…and with albert, matt, colby in there he should get plenty of pitches to hit
Has some pop? Theriot has 16 career home runs.
He thinks he has pop, he is an awful base runner, and is an average defender. He is a singles hitter who if he stays within himself can have a high OPB and be a nice option to bat second. He is a nice ball player that has a very limited skill set. He is perfect for a LaRussa platoon type lineup. If there is one thing Tony does well it is micromanage and play the match ups. Theriot is someone he can use to his advantage, much like Baker used Johnny Gomes to his advantage in 2009 before they tried to make him an every day player. He really didn’t fit in the Cubs or Dodgers line ups or future plans.
We must be talk about different Ryan Theriots.
how theroit is actually a good baseball player he hits for average, has some pop, can steal a bag or two, and is a solid defender(even better when moved to 2nd) all the cubs fans think he is bad because they were using him as a lead off hitter WHICH HE IS NOT AT ALL…he will be used better in the cards…and with albert, matt, colby in there he should get plenty of pitches to hit
Depth
wow! We don’t have to non-tender him now. So is Hawksworth any good? He has a pretty cool name.
Yeah he is, No clue why we traded him for Ryan Theriot. Great.
Hawksworth has some potential. Nothing special. Probably be best suited as a reliever and can give you a decent spot start when needed.
Not really, a top prospect a couple of years ago and then he basically hasn’t done much since.
His name is better than his ability, unfortunately. But he is not without upside, and is a former pretty-good prospect. He gets grounders at a decent clip, but he needs to cut down on the walks if he wants to be effective and he doesn’t have overpowering strikeout stuff. All in all, I’d say he’s a pretty fungible commodity. I wouldn’t say this is appreciably better than having released Theriot, because the Dodgers can probably find a Blake Hawksworth in their own system somewhere.
I’m wondering if the Dodgers were after Blake Hawksworth so they could sell his name rights to a daytime soap opera. What a handle!
No. He sucks. Take it from a Cards fan. We are happy he is gone.
wow i hope i never play for your team is that the way you treat all your players
Is he the GM? He isn’t “treating his players” in any way, I’m assuming he just roots for the team, not manages them…
what i meant by it was appreciate what hawksworth contributed to this team not slam him for anything he did wrong
Chances are, you will never play for any MLB team
if you’re that sensitive, i wouldn’t want you to play for “my” team
if you’re that sensitive, i wouldn’t want you to play for “my” team
Well, Hawksworth was one of the better pitching prospects, at least in a fill-in position, compared to the rest of the minor leaguers. (I know, that doesn’t mean much)
LOL.. whatever enjoy some of theRIOT. God is he bad.
worst shortstop arm in the major leagues
uhh..I’d have to disagree. I think Betancourt for the Royals is the worst everyday SS in the bigs.
Not a SS at all, good 2nd baseman and I really liked him as the #2 hitter for the Dodgers this year. But we needed some pop so glad we have Uribe instead but nonetheless a good player and i think a good trade for both teams.
Not a SS at all, good 2nd baseman and I really liked him as the #2 hitter for the Dodgers this year. But we needed some pop so glad we have Uribe instead but nonetheless a good player and i think a good trade for both teams.
LOL.. whatever enjoy some of theRIOT. God is he bad.
what your gonna get out of hawksworht is a solid long reliever and potential spot starter at times he has been brilliant but other times hes been a little questionable at best. In my opinion i think it was a good deal i liked hawksworth a lot but i also see theriot as a great pick up
So I guess that means that the Bartlett rumors are officially dead?
Nope, Theriot will play 2B taking Schumakers spot if we get a trade in line for Bartlett.
Surely, the Cardinals won’t move Ryan for Bartlett because that wouldn’t be very smart. Bartlett is expensive and slowly becoming overrated on how much he’ll get paid and how much he’s actually worth.
Not to mention that Ryan’s defense is arguably the best in the league and the Cards starters all get a lot of ground balls. FWIW, Ryan seemed a lot less helpless at the plate in the second half last year than in the first, which I believe McGwire attributed to him trying some new stuff in the first half but then changing back to some old habits that were working better for him in the second half.
“Ryan’s defense is excellent” might be the funniest thing I’ve ever read.
Have you seen any Cardinal game this past season? There’s no doubt that he saved runs in bunches last year and the stats prove that.
why?
Hmm…you are aware everyone from Baseballprospectus to John Dewan to Fangraphs to anyone who watches baseball ever widely considers him to be one of the top, if not THE top defensive shortstop in baseball….right?
And why is that. Statistically the guy had the best range in all of baseball. Would have, should have been gold glove winner if it weren’t for his horrid hitting. Which its called a gold glove award, not silver slugger. Baseball awards are stupid as hell sometimes.
How? His defense his great, GG worthy for sure.
come on dude.. the guy is probably the best defensive SS in MLB
Sorry. That one goes to Troy Tulowitzki. Alexei Ramirez is getting up there. Actually, Brendan Ryan’s defense at shortstop ranked best in the league.
I’m guessing you aren’t an educated MLB fan because you could see how goo Ryan is defensively by simply looking at stats
Cards fans just got trolled hard…
I think BJ Ryan is a better shortstop than Brendan Ryan
B.J. Ryan is out there. Maybe the Twins can sign him to play short. Might look a little goofy being left handed though.
B.J. Ryan is out there. Maybe the Twins can sign him to play short. Might look a little goofy being left handed though.
I’m guessing you meant Ryan Theriot
they are talking about brendan ryan and not ryan theriot. Theriot is a solid, professional hitter, a proficient second basemen, but a terrible SS with minus range, and doble minus arm.
Mo said on ESPN 101 in the fastlane, that Theriot will be playing ss. I wonder, if that means he wants Hudson for 2B.
Not what I wanted to hear. I’d prefer Boog stay at SS and Theriot slide mainly to 2B, only occasionally filling in at SS and maybe, MAYBE 3B once in a blue moon.
Except the post says the Cardinals view him as a SS.
My dreams of O-Dog have been crushed, the Cardinals let me down once again.
Thats what you get for liking the Cards! You should pull a reverse Theriot and join the good side of the NL central….you’ll never be disappointed again! LOL
I liked this because I’m assuming it’s sarcasm lol
Cardinals probably couldn’t afford him anyway, I think that was a bit of a pipe-dream.
The problem with Hudson is that he can only play 2B. Theriot can play both 2B and SS and will be part of a 3-man platoon with Schumaker and Ryan in the middle infield, plus he makes a perfect leadoff hitter, something we had trouble with last year.
The problem with Hudson is that he can only play 2B. Theriot can play both 2B and SS and will be part of a 3-man platoon with Schumaker and Ryan in the middle infield, plus he makes a perfect leadoff hitter, something we had trouble with last year.
meh
I suppose the Cards saw an opportunity to acquire Theriot with their surplus of RHP rather than have to bid on him as a FA. Many FA infield options are going to get overpaid in dollars and years this offseason (e.g. Uribe), and the Cardinals aren’t in a position (and are probably too wise) to compete.
This is the most spot-on analysis I have read in these comments.
Marco Scutaro needs to be moved, redsox could use a good bullpen piece like this. Or a prospect that they could use in a deal to acquire an OF, utility IF, or bullpen pitcher or 1B/3B
Good bullpen piece like Theriot?? What?
Hawksworth can start or relieve and is at least comparable to Montesarios or Ely for upside (which isn’t to say much). A solid return for LA, considering everyone knew Theriot was done there. It never hurts to have pitching options.
St. Louis: Where slap-hitting middle infielders reside.
In all honesty though, I like the fit of Theriot with the Cardinals. Hopefully he can regain the form he showed with the Cubs a few years ago, as a good OBP guy in front of Pujols-Holliday-Rasmus would be dangerous.
Theriot probably has another one to three seasons of being a regular left in him. I’m betting his 2011 will be closer to his 2009. His 3 WAR days are probably over and he’s going to end up someone’s fifth infielder sooner or later, but he’s probably got more than enough juice in the tank to start for now.
This is a case of something is better than nothing…
Wow, Ned did something right. Hawksworth is serviceable as a reliever and Theriot is…well, Eckstein Lite. Who knew Ned had it it him?
Rosenthal reports the team sees him as more of a SS.
Well that won’t work. Figures the Cards would make this move. Dumbnuts
won’t work at all!
another offensive UPGRADE is essential. this was not an upgrade. sure! it is on the bench, but as a starter? hard to be excited about this.
If Theriot is only on the Cards to fill the Aaron Miles role, I’m on board with this trade. But Theriot’s defense is nowhere near good enough to replace Brendan Ryan, and his offense isn’t good enough to replace Skip Schumaker. I can’t see how the Cards would peg him as a likely starter on the 2011 team.
I think LaRussa needed an Eckstein fix.
Play him at 2B and move Skip to RF.
Oh please NO! Theriot, Ryan, and Shumaker in the same line-up? No thank you
Just the thought of those 3 in the same lineup breaks my heart.
You know, every season I wonder, when the hell did we stop becoming the best lineup in the NL year in and year out. Renteria, Walker, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Sanders, Womack, Matheny, and pitcher. Good night Irene. Now, I have to stomach 5 out of the 9 up there at the dish who make me cringe.
that happened in 2006 when the MV3 became the MV1 as Jimmy went to decline and Rolen was perennially injured, add in the fact that they replaced Walker with Juan Encarncion and Sanders with Bigbie/Duncan/Taguchi/Preston Wilson. Cardinals were on their way to building an elite lineup again until they traded Ludwick.
I know that’s the case. My point is how did the front office of the Cardinals not anticipate Jimmy getting old and declining, Walker not retiring, etc. Rolen’s injury I understand. It just seems like with a good team on the field they stopped caring or preparing for the future and just shut off that part of the brain. Somewhere along the line whether it was poor drafting, poor development, whatever, that we fell off the face of the earth in the National League. I got too use to being the pride of the National League year in and year out.
I miss Luddy. I understand why they had to move him, but it still bums me out.
that happened in 2006 when the MV3 became the MV1 as Jimmy went to decline and Rolen was perennially injured, add in the fact that they replaced Walker with Juan Encarncion and Sanders with Bigbie/Duncan/Taguchi/Preston Wilson. Cardinals were on their way to building an elite lineup again until they traded Ludwick.
You know, every season I wonder, when the hell did we stop becoming the best lineup in the NL year in and year out. Renteria, Walker, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Sanders, Womack, Matheny, and pitcher. Good night Irene. Now, I have to stomach 5 out of the 9 up there at the dish who make me cringe.
I’m getting kind of tired of the Ryan hate. He had one bad year at the plate and he’s dog meat. Best defensive SS in the league and his offense will improve. If he doesn’t improve in 2011 ship him off.
I was surprised to hear Mo on the radio a while ago saying Theriot was more or less in line to start at SS. I was thinking Schumaker would go back to a 4th OF/utility role, and Theriot would get most of his time at 2B. To me that would be the obvious move.
That’s the general idea. He’ll be part of a 3-man platoon with Schumaker and Ryan up the middle. His offense is actually very similar to Schumaker. Schumaker has a career .291/.349/.383 line, while Theriot’s career line is .284/.348/.356. The big difference is that Theriot steals 20+ bases a year, while Schumaker barely steals any.
That’s the general idea. He’ll be part of a 3-man platoon with Schumaker and Ryan up the middle. His offense is actually very similar to Schumaker. Schumaker has a career .291/.349/.383 line, while Theriot’s career line is .284/.348/.356. The big difference is that Theriot steals 20+ bases a year, while Schumaker barely steals any.
Theriot’s and Ryan’s defense feilding percentage at ss isn’t that big of a difference. And at least Theriot can hit, and steal bases. He’s also a good bunter. Which, is something the Cardinals needed. Ryan’s feilding percentage at ss 979, Theriot’s 976. And Theriot can lead off, 290 career batting leading.
I like the move for the Dodgers. No guarantee how Hawksworth does, but they were going to non-tender Theriot anyway, now they add a pitcher who can do long relief and spot starting instead of getting nothing.
I wonder if we similar money saving moves like this in the future regarding Martin and Loney. Maybe we get an outfielder for Loney?
Possibly with Martin. Depends if Ned can get a catcher for less than they’d pay Martin anyway. Also depends if Martin would work out a deal without arbitration or if he’s going to pull a Jeter and demand a raise based on his “Dodger icon” status (sarcasm intended). In which case, I can see AJ Ellis as our catcher and use that money on a better hitter.
Even if we trade Loney, they have to replace him. Bringing in a heavy hitter like Fielder or Dunn, or even someone like Overbay or Berkman wouldn’t end up saving much and may even cost more.
GM on the radio say it’s likely he’d be starting SS. Bet it still becomes a competition in spring training or they move Ryan for someone.
Why are people getting excited over Blake Hawksworth?
He’s a great guy, and really likable, but he isnt anything special as a player. Your Mop-up guy at best really. No pressure relief situations tho
are you kidding me no pressure relief situations need i remind you what happend against the dadgers in july of last year. i actually dont know why we traded him for a guy like theriot hes an alright shortstop but nothing special but i guess the cardinals make up for trading im away by signing brian tallet
I don’t remember that game, but it would’ve been an exception. He was pretty bad in most pressure situations.
In return for Ryan Theriot, who the Dodgers were gonna non-tender anyway, is good. Could help them at middle relief pitcher.
Hell, Mozeliak could’ve sent a cadaver to the Dodgers and we would think this deal is a win. Theriot doesn’t even have the small person likability of Eckstein. He is Aaron Miles without the stick.
pretty good deal for both sides i’d have to say
I like the deal because I think Theriot is better than Hawksworth. However, I’m still hoping they can grab Bartlett. Theriot doesn’t sound like a good canidate for the leadoff spot which, I believe, is the Cardinals’ biggest need.
Theriot has a career .284 average and .348 OBP and has stolen 20+ bases every year he’s been a starter. That sounds like a pretty good leadoff man to me. It’s not great, but it’s still very good and a lot better than we’ve had since Eckstein left.
Theriot has a career .284 average and .348 OBP and has stolen 20+ bases every year he’s been a starter. That sounds like a pretty good leadoff man to me. It’s not great, but it’s still very good and a lot better than we’ve had since Eckstein left.
Bet the Cardinals still trade for Bartlett and ship out Ryan move Theriot to 2nd and shift Skip to utility work.
i’m not sure if i should cry or punch something.
Punch someone who is crying.
Twice.
Big Cards fail. WTF Mo? Hope StL PD isn’t afraid to burn him on this move.
Good Trade. I would say Burrell for RF/backup 3B/1B/LF. O Dog 2B and trade Jay and Ship for Bullpen help or 3B or backup Catcher.
Pat Burrell in right field?!?!?!?!
your tag should be “OMGsports”
He is also suggesting Burrell as a backup third baseman if I read it right. 11 years in the league, not one inning at third (not to mention 7 innings total in RF for his career). Guess that makes perfect sense.
He is also suggesting Burrell as a backup third baseman if I read it right. 11 years in the league, not one inning at third (not to mention 7 innings total in RF for his career). Guess that makes perfect sense.
Maybe we can get some silk uniforms while we’re at it.
Burrell has a hard enough time in LF.
Hawksworth is what every team should want: Good character, big thinker, serious about life and vocation and a great teammate, by all accounts.
That stuff is great as a bonus, but it comes second to actual peformance, and Hawksworth is only a decent long/mop-up reliever and spot starter.
“Heading into the 2008 season, Baseball America ranked Hawksworth 20th among Cardinals prospects”This comment alone should tell you how good Blake Hawksworth is. Being ranked 20th would be a good thing in many organizations, but ummmmm the Cardinals don’t have 20 top prospects.
heading into 2008, they were a top 10 farm system with guys like Rasmus, Garcia, Chris Perez, etc still considered prospects.
Top 10? Oh please! Nothing against Rasmus and Garcia, but was Perez the 3rd best prospect they had? If so, then number 20 must be a gem.
perez heading into the 2008 season as rated a top 100 prospect in baseball(using baseball america). Most teams don’t even have 3 top 100 prospects in the entire farm. The cardinals were praised more for there good depth as well, not the “elite” corp, but they still had some elite guys.
edit: i went back and checked. Cardinals had 4 top 100 prospects..forgot Bryan Anderson. So yes, they were top 10. “oh please” check the facts first sir.
well logic dictates that as there 30 mlb teams and 100 top prospect spots that the average team would have 3.33 prospects in the top 100 list. So having 3 or 4 is just average.
yes, but logic fails in baseball. Teams have extreme peaks and valleys. Look at the Royals who might have 10 top 100 prospects while a team like the Marlins who might have 1.
“Most teams don’t even have 3 top 100 prospects in the entire farm.”
Perhaps you should check your facts Sir. I went through the top 100 and exactly 20 teams out of 30 had at least 3 top prospects in the top 100. That’s 2/3rds of the teams in the MLB. Anderson was ranked 85 and Perez was ranked 97. Since two of the Cards top 100 barely made it in, they definitely were not in the top 10 farms systems.
i think the best thing that can be said about blake hawksworth is that he has an awesome name and a hot sister.
You know he has a hot sister how?
google it. she is totally hot.
Meh…not down with the fake melons.
google it. she is totally hot.
WOW. You did not disappoint.
There’s plenty of examples of high prospects who don’t do that well in the Majors. Hawksworth is a decent long reliever at best.
Hopefully they will sign Kyle Farnsworth too, so the DODGERS can throw Farnsworth / Hawksworth out there, and give out free Werther’s Originals to everybody
Except that the Cards just traded Hawksworth
damn my reading comprehension, what a waste of a fine joke, and to think I took the time to spell Werther’s right and missed that
Hahaha. Well maybe the Dodgers will sign Farnsworth just for you and you can make the joke again.
damn my reading comprehension, what a waste of a fine joke, and to think I took the time to spell Werther’s right and missed that
What is the velocity on Hawksworth’s fastball?
93-96 with a plus changeup. unfortunately, thats all he has. He has no control and no other pitches.
I think the real strategy here was that after trading Blake DeWitt, the Dodgers were one Blake under their quota.
and the cardinals doubled there quota of semi-useless shortstops named ryan. except one is Brendan Ryan and the other is Ryan Theriot. Hopefully between the two, cards get a league average performer..
Guess which Ryan’s are Which.
A – Good man, Would be awesome if he got back to his 08′ Form.
B – Bats under the mendoza line, grows insane’s mustaches, makes carpenter want to kill him, licks his shirt uncontrollably.
makes carpenter want to kill him? because of that one small fiasco they had? He has a quick chat with him about being a bit more prepared and people assume that they want to take Ak-47’s to eachother’s head? how do people get this stuff is beyond me… I’l also take the one who plays all world defense and had a great 2009(since you mentioned Theriot’s 2008).
Well, Theriot did have a similar season in 2009 as Ryan did. However, Theriot has NEVER had a worse offensive year than Ryan did in 2010. The fact that Ryan was a starter most of the season in 2010 just goes to show how much the Cardinals need a shortstop…..any shortstop.
theriot has never had as good of a defensive season as Ryan either. Offense is only half of baseball
brendan ryans 2009 was a fluke…he does have a good glove…but his arm?…average…theriot on the other hand has the worst major league shortstop arm
Average arm? Are you for real? If I were any other team in the NL, I’d be asking for a test that there isn’t a cannon wrapped around a prosthetic, made to look like real life arm.
average arm? yeah..know i know you don’t watch cardinal games. Guy has an absolute cannon. He was almost drafted as a pitcher. And why was ryan’s 2009 a fluke? and even if it was, he is still capable of hitting around .265/.320/.400 with sterling defense..good for about 3-4 WAR. For comparison, ryan played with a hurt wrist this season and had a horrendous offensive season and still had 1WAR.
brendan ryan’s 2009 batting average was a fluke…have you ever seen his batting stance?…it changes every month…he does nothing consistently positive as a hitter…brendan ryan has a sick glove defensively though
Guess which Ryan’s are Which.
A – Good man, Would be awesome if he got back to his 08′ Form.
B – Bats under the mendoza line, grows insane’s mustaches, makes carpenter want to kill him, licks his shirt uncontrollably.
this is just awful.
This is a puzzling move for both teams. Hawksworth is terribly inconsistent. His walks are high and he leaves to many fast balls in the ‘hot zones’. If Dave Duncan can’t make him a competitive starter or reliever, good luck Dodgers.
Theriot would be a slight to moderate upgrade defensively over Skip, but a slight to moderate downgrade offensively. I guess this could make sense if the Cardinals are hitting on ‘all cylinders’ in 2011.
Really? I find this move the opposite of puzzling for both teams. This is a low risk deal for both sides, especially the Dodgers who were about to non-tender Theriot anyway. So instead of getting nothing out of losing him, they get a pitcher who could be a decent long man in the bullpen esp if he reverts to his form of 2009, not his 2010. If he stinks they cut him and lose nothing. The Cardinals meanwhile need infield depth and Theriot is a decent player, though I don’t think he’s great as an every day starter.
I suppose Theriot is a possible on base threat, thought he only had like one walk all of June. HAHA! And he kinda runs into outs a LOT!
This is a puzzling move for both teams. Hawksworth is terribly inconsistent. His walks are high and he leaves to many fast balls in the ‘hot zones’. If Dave Duncan can’t make him a competitive starter or reliever, good luck Dodgers.
Theriot would be a slight to moderate upgrade defensively over Skip, but a slight to moderate downgrade offensively. I guess this could make sense if the Cardinals are hitting on ‘all cylinders’ in 2011.
Good move by the Cardinals, it’s obvious what their thinking is here. They acquired Theriot as a backup plan in case Pujols leaves after next year. It’s a sign they are going to let Pujols leave, they’ve already got his replacement!
Theriot always steals around twenty bases. Pujols led the Cards with sixteen. On that basis alone it helps the team. Last year Theriot had his worst OBP with .321. That is an improvement over B. Ryan who didn’t even make .300. Use Theriot and replace w/Ryan in the seventh inning if they have the lead, makes sense. Or sit Skip when he has his slumps. Overall a good move. Hawksworth types are a dime a dozen.
Stolen bases are not a great factor on a team with Pujols and Holliday. Especially from the top 2 positions in the order. Why open up first base and allow the opposing team to walk Pujols and/or Holliday? Cardinals need two high OBP players in the leadoff and second slots.
Stolen bases would work great out of the 6th or 7th spot though since most players at the bottom of the lineup are singles hitters and thus that SB would allow them to potentially drive in more runs.
The leafoff man stealing bases still works while the guy in the second spot is batting, especially with the second spot in the Cardinals lineup being MLB’s ultimate catbird seat. Besides, he can always bat 9th during the times that the pitcher bats 8th.
The leadoff man stealing bases still works when the guy in the second spot is batting, especially when the second spot in the Cardinals’ lineup is MLB’s ultimate catbird seat. Besides, he can bat 9th during the times that the pitcher bats 8th.
Stolen bases are not a great factor on a team with Pujols and Holliday. Especially from the top 2 positions in the order. Why open up first base and allow the opposing team to walk Pujols and/or Holliday? Cardinals need two high OBP players in the leadoff and second slots.
Stolen bases would work great out of the 6th or 7th spot though since most players at the bottom of the lineup are singles hitters and thus that SB would allow them to potentially drive in more runs.
Ryan Theriot has placed among the league leaders in caught stealing 3 years in a row, while not once during that time placing among the league leaders in SBs.
Stealing 20 bases means nothing if you get caught 13 times
SB’s can get runners into scoring postion though. Which, is something the Cardinals needed. And he can get on base. Cardinals need runners to get on for Pujols and Holliday. If I were the Cardsinals, I’d go sign Hudson. Then put Theriot lead off (good at bunting also), and Hudson can bat 2nd.
speaking of getting into scoring position, enjoy his season total of 20 extrabase hits (10 of which will come in April against Milwaukee….and he will have about 1 after Aug 15th)
give Theriot 100 PA’s, and you will get 26 singles, 2 doubles, 5 walks, and 67 outs
still better than what Brendan Ryan can do though, with a bat….
Ryan Theriot has placed among the league leaders in caught stealing 3 years in a row, while not once during that time placing among the league leaders in SBs.
Stealing 20 bases means nothing if you get caught 13 times
1 more thing. There is a big difference in playing on the west coast. Climate is totally different and even the sunlight looks different. Anyone who has spent their life back east that comes west, always notices the difference. It effects some more than others. Theriot grew up in Louisiana and might be one of those who do not adjust to the west coast. Just a thought.
Theriot’s problems have nothing to do with sunlight
The problem is pitchers have realized that even if they throw a dead straight fastball to him, the worst that can happen is a 100 foot single. Which is why his recent OBPs are nowhere near what it was in 08. Pitchers throw him nothing but fastballs because they know he cant drive the ball. He will never post a high obp again because of this
but you will get excited in April, because every April he comes out hitting 330/400. Just dont count on him during a stretch run, because Whoopi Goldberg could put up better September numbers than he has the last 4 years
Theriot’s problems have nothing to do with sunlight
The problem is pitchers have realized that even if they throw a dead straight fastball to him, the worst that can happen is a 100 foot single. Which is why his recent OBPs are nowhere near what it was in 08. Pitchers throw him nothing but fastballs because they know he cant drive the ball. He will never post a high obp again because of this
but you will get excited in April, because every April he comes out hitting 330/400. Just dont count on him during a stretch run, because Whoopi Goldberg could put up better September numbers than he has the last 4 years
Great cheap pickup for the cards didnt have to lose a draft pick and got rid of a player thatll never help win a championship..now gotta find a upgrade not only for RF but SS…
Or wherever they dont use him, they say SS but im not sold on that
He’ll play both SS and 2B in a 3 man platoon, which is all we needed in the first place.
Or wherever they dont use him, they say SS but im not sold on that
Great cheap pickup for the cards didnt have to lose a draft pick and got rid of a player thatll never help win a championship..now gotta find a upgrade not only for RF but SS…
i’d rather have brendan ryan play defense and have mike hampton DH for him.
It’s official: Theriot leads the league in being traded for somebody with the first name of Blake, more than making up for the 3rd worst OPS. Good season.
I always thought it was kinda funny when DeWitt was in the batting order after Blake, and the scoreboard read BLAKE DEWITT. Could it happen again? I can hardly contain myself!
It’s official: Theriot leads the league in being traded for somebody with the first name of Blake, more than making up for the 3rd worst OPS. Good season.
Shocked there is a team interested in paying around $3m/year for Ryan Theriot.
Even more shocked they’re also willing to give up a serviceable reliever for the privilege.
What happened to Ned Colletti? Did the 4th place finish somehow cure his incompetence?
So even when he gets us something for nothing, he gets sniped. Give it a rest already!
Hey, I was complementing him! I’ve been very happy with his moves this off-season…
He’s just still got a lot of work to do to make up for the Casey Blake and Octavio Dotel deals, let alone the Pierre, Schmidt and Jones contracts…
Okay, okay. Sorry. I guess I’m hearing from so many permanently disgruntled Dodger fans these days, it’s getting on my nerves.
Okay, okay. Sorry. I guess I’m hearing from so many permanently disgruntled Dodger fans these days, it’s getting on my nerves.
I don’t really like the move….Theriot? SS?? Would make a little more sense if it was 2B and then traded for or signed a different guy to play SS. Move Skip to RF. Ryan as the Utility guy….great glove, but the Cards can’t have his bat in the lineup any more….already a lack of power in it. I thought the Cards would go after a middle infielder with some more pop….not enough of it up the middle to compete with the better teams in the NL.
Not sure if Theriot is gonna give them what Schumaker, Ryan and Lopez didnt last year, and not sure if he is worth Hawksworth. LA wins this trade IMO
Overpaying Uribe aside it’s been a nice off-season for Ned so far.
the thought of theriot as our starting SS makes me uneasy, i expected bartlett, tejada or uribe. this? this isn’t close. we had BETTER end up extending Pujols after all this…
1)Theriot
2)Jay/Craig
3)Pujols
4)Holliday
5)Rasmus
6)Freese
7)Molina
8)Schumaker/Greene
9)Pitcher
All in all not a bad lineup but we still need to make some additions. Now that Brendan is apparently available is it possible for us to package him up with someone else for a middle of the order bat?
why would you bat theriot leadoff??? he has terrible numbers as a leadoff hitter
I’m thinking more like:
1. Jay
2. Rasmus
3. Pujols
4. Holliday
5. Freese
6. – 9. who cares
The Cards found a way to quiet the riot…this kills me being a Cubs fan.
I believe the only reason Mo made this move was to please the Cardinal fanbase and STL media griping for an upgrade in the middle infield. This really didn’t upgrade either team though. Personally would rather have kept Hawksworth…
Bring in Bartlett and move the riot to 2nd. put Damn Skippy back where he belongs in RF