SUNDAY, 9:03pm: The Dodgers confirmed that Ramirez will be shipped to the White Sox, tweets Peter Gammons of the MLB Network.
8:33pm: Ramirez has indicated that he will waive his no-trade clause even if he isn't compensated, sources tell Hernandez (via Twitter).
8:04pm: The Dodgers are trying to decide whether to take third base prospect Jon Gilmore and assume part of Ramirez's salary or just take the cash, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today. The White Sox acquired the former first-round pick from the Braves as part of a package for Javier Vazquez in December of 2008.
7:30pm: There's still a possibility that a swap could be worked out in which the Dodgers get a player and the White Sox don't have to foot the entire $4.3MM bill for Ramirez, according to Jayson Stark of ESPN (via Twitter). Meanwhile, Ken Gurnick of MLB.com writes that there will be no players coming back to Los Angeles.
7:08pm: Details of the transaction are still being worked out but Ramirez will be a member of the White Sox on Monday one way or another, according to Tim Brown of Yahoo Sports (via Twitter).
7:02pm: The White Sox will receive Ramirez tomorrow, a source tells Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times. Because the White Sox will be getting Ramirez on a waiver claim, they will be on the hook for the remainder of his salary, Hernandez tweets.
1:31pm: USA Today's Bob Nightengale opines (via Twitter) that since the Dodgers aren't playing Manny, they're likely set on trading him. According to Nightengale, Manny is telling friends that he can't wait to join the White Sox.
Meanwhile, Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times quotes Joe Torre as saying that he's not benching Manny to get him to waive his no-trade clause, he's just trying to win games (Twitter link). From what we've heard, it doesn't sound like Manny would need the extra encouragement anyway.
SATURDAY, 8:34pm: The Dodgers have yet to ask Manny to waive his no-trade clause, according to Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times (via Twitter).
7:20pm: ESPN.com's Buster Olney tweets that the Dodgers don't intend to give Manny up for nothing. If they part with Manny, the Dodgers want a Sox prospect in return to make it "worth their while."
FRIDAY, 7:37pm: The White Sox "swear" they have yet to have trade talks with the Dodgers about Manny, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter).
1:26pm: Multiple teams claimed Manny Ramirez on waivers, but the White Sox won the claim, according to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark (on Twitter). Stark reports strong indications that the Rays claimed Manny and the Rangers also claimed the 38-year-old, according to MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan.
The White Sox and Dodgers, who have already discussed possible trades, have until Tuesday to work out a deal. Ramirez has a no-trade clause, which will give him the power to veto a deal if the Dodgers plan to make one. However, he has told friends that he would approve a trade to the White Sox, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link).
The Dodgers, who are currently 5.0 games out of the Wild Card race, can now hold onto Ramirez, hand him over to the White Sox or work out a trade. They must determine by Tuesday afternoon whether they can contend for the playoffs.
National League teams had waiver priority on Ramirez, but no NL team made a claim. The claim seems to indicate that the White Sox are willing to take on $4.1MM in salary, but the Dodgers and White Sox talked about potential deals earlier in the week, so the teams may have agreed on a trade that would send Ramirez to Chicago along with salary relief. About $3.1MM of Ramirez's remaining salary is deferred.
Jon Heyman of SI.com, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports and Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times also contributed to the story.
They better keep him unless they get something decent in return.
With Manny being a free agent at the end of the year and only one month left until the season ends teams aren’t going to offer anything spectacular in return.
Last time I checked decent != spectacular. š
They aren’t allowed to offer arbitration though (nor would they even if they could)….so they’ll let him walk for NOTHING in a month. Or they could trade him for $1.1M in salary relieft this year and anything the team is willing to offer.
They white sox want him because the twins have Jim Thome, so they want to counter that with Manny. Plus they can make a playoff rum with Manny. š
itll be a salary shed, nothing more. i a prospect is returned it’ll be a gesture of formality.
They probably wont.
Question: The deadline to trade Manny is approaching, if the Dodgers/White Sox can’t come to an agreement for a trade, the Dodger could simply say, just take him. Right? Assuming Manny would waive his NTC. The White Sox can’t refuse him because they claimed him off waivers? That is where making waiver claims and winning them becomes interesting. If the Dodgers just give up Manny and the Angels just give up Napoli, possibly both to the White Sox, then the White Sox would have two additional bats, not necessarily the best solution since they really need bullpen help now.
Something decent like…..shedding 4 million from their payroll?
It’s only like $1.1M this year since so much of his salary is deferred though…..
I expect the deferred salary goes with his contract, though the Dodgers could be made to eat some of it to get any prospects in return.
It will go in return, but my point was the Dodgers only get $1.1M in salary relief this year. The rest won’t be saved til the following years (so the owner doesn’t get anything more than the $1.1M)
I understand your point, but I don’t think the Dodgers would trade him if they only saved $1.1m.
Rangers? Anyways I think Dodgers will wait for the Rockies series to see where they stand.
no way he fell that far through the waiver wire, it was either an NL team, the whtiesox or bosox…it might have been some stupid AL team with a bad record just trying to block other teams or to sell tickets
No. If an NL team or an AL team with a bad record claimed him they would have won the claim over the White Sox. Don’t you know how this works by now?
Nevermind. I didn’t realize this was posted before it was known that the White Sox won the claim. My apologies.
The Giants did…they got a little overzealous about blocking other teams from claiming players and forgot the White Sox are in the AL.
I dont know why but I have a feeling that the unknown team is the Red Sox. I think they are trying to block the Rays or the Yankees.
The red Sox pick after the White Sox so I don’t think that is possible
And after the Rangers who also would likely be in on him.
I think a mystery team could be the A’s (think someone else said this before?). Beane has made some moves that don’t jive with a team that’s in a rebuild (Sheets, Crisp, etc). That rotation is very solid…they need a bat. If the reports of Manny wanting an extension are true, maybe the A’s would be willing to give it to him? Could DH and play LF next year and would be a nice bat in the middle of the lineup…..also wouldn’t have to move that far from LA.
In all liklihood though….it’s probably the White Sox.
Is it only one team that claimed him on waivers? If so, I think we know its the White Sox. If multiple teams claimed him, thats where it gets interesting…
all teams can claim him…only one gets to get him or trade for him…the team with the worst record starting with the NL
Multiple teams can make a claim, but the team with the worst overall record gets the claim.
i dont think multiple teams can claim on waivers. doesnt the avail player just go down wire until a team makes a claim?
Well then, looks like it’s getting interesting. I can’t imagine any NL team putting in a claim, though.
I feel good that I got that comment in before the multiple teams claimed him post came in!
But seriously…this is where it gets interesting. Who claimed him?!
Tough call. With the Dodgers playing well of late, do you let him go? On the other hand, Podsednik is hitting well, is a true leadoff hitter, which they wouldn’t have with Manny in the lineup (at least not until Furcal is back). I’d say it depends on what they can get for him. They won’t get a lot, but if they can get a useful prospect, it might be worth making.
I think Manny gets traded regardless.
I think the White Sox claimed Manny. I don’t see an NL team out there that would put a claim on him. He’s too risky to play in the OF with his leg injuries this year. He’s a much better option as a DH.
Are there other AL teams out there that high a higher priority on the waiver wire than the White Sox that would claim Manny? I am not sure.
Hopefully the White Sox
What about the Cards? Do they need his bat now that Holliday is hobbled? Is it crazy to think that the Padres could make it work? At the end of the day, is he really helping any team by bringing his ‘me-first’ attitude to the park? I’m guessing he’ll be subtraction by addition to any new team, despite potential big hits. After he bounces next season, that team will be paying 3 mil of deferred salary to watch him play elsewhere.
With the Dodgers back only 5 games and Colletti saying there is still a chance, I am thinking a NL team claimed Manny to force the Dodgers to go for it or end it. I doubt he made it to the White Sox.
Its the Pirates…they thought it’d be cool to actually have some fans for the last month of the season.
Manny isn’t an ex-Cardinal so I know my Reds didn’t claim him…
As close as he keeps business to his chest, I wouldn’t be surprised if Walt Jocketty and the Reds put a claim on him. With Edmunds going down due to injury that can only serve to bolster their outfield. Not saying I would do it, because I wouldn’t. But acquiring veterans late in a contention season is Walt’s MO.
The mystery team is the Indians in a desperate attempt to keep attendance over 1,000. š
I could see a SF Giants waiver claim. They would block any team in the AL (which might allow the Dodgers some meaningful return) and the Giants could reasonably assume that Manny would not accept an assignment to SF (overcrowded OF, can’t play anywhere but DH).
Thus the Giants could screw their longtime rivals a little with a minimal risk that they wind up with Manny.
I hope they did this, it would be hilarious.
The Giants should go for it. Manny in CF! Can you imagine the OF of Burrell, Manny, and Guillen? The inning would be half over by the time they reached their positions on the trot from the dugout.
I said this same thing to a friend of mine that is a sox fan earlier this week.
Heck, why wouldn’t the Pirates claim him? This guy was selling out games in his monr league rehab stint last year…
Because it would be a waste of energy. He’d veto it
Will we find out which team won the claim today?
It’s the White Sox. Keep in mind that Manny can veto any trade he wants and he wants to dh.
multiple teams claimed guessing at least a national league team
If multiple teams claimed him, and the Rays and Yanks didnt, then its very unlikely the White Sox would end up with him. The only other AL teams who might have make a claim would be Boston(unlikely), Texas, Oakland(unlikely)
well i can stop looking at this manny thing since the rays didnt even at least try to claim him. although i dont blame them
There’s a slim chance another team to claim him is the Twins. If they believed that the Sox would not trade him, hoping he would pass through unclaimed, they might then have a chance to block the trade to the Sox.
How can the Twins block the White Sox?..and if the Twins actually did get him, which defensive liability would they play in the field..Manny or Thome?
Twins could not block the Sox….they have a better record.
So if an NL team claimed him and he excercises his no-trade, no one gets him, right? There have been reports that he would waive his no-trade for the White Sox. But the Cards or Reds? He knows his future is a DH. I’d bet he wouldn’t go to an NL team.
so he can’t leave N.L team after the year?
If he didn’t slip out of the NL, you can just go ahead and put an end to this and count on him being in LA for the rest of the year.
I think Rizzo and the Nats claimed him, just to continue to piss off Kenny Williams and the White Sox. It would be an expensive way to do it, but maybe the joke would help ease the pain from the earlier news today out of DC.
i wonder what they think about not getting jackson for dunne straight up, the guy only has a .96 era, wonder if the nationals could use a pitcher.lol
They are also very lucky this didnt happen a week or two ago, they would have lost strasburg and harper wouldnt have signed there.
With the Rangers claiming him this may be a good sign for the White Sox
or…it could have been a NL team that got him
Why would have the Rangers wanted him anyways? Juan Cruz is coming back. they have Vladimir Guerrero as the DH and Josh Hamilton plays LF (if Borbon doesn’t start).
PS: I wouldn’t be surprised though if they make a run at him in the offseason if they are serious about Manny.
who is Juan Cruz?
Nelson Cruz is coming back.
So now that the White Sox won the claim ..I hope they dont give any players up
Jayson Stark just tweeted that the White Sox were awarded the claim. Rays and Rangers also claimed him
Alright KW we won the claim.. lets get a deal done
As odd as it sounds, LA has a little bit of leverage now with the “warm streak” This isn’t a slam-dunk for CWS.
I agree…LA has leverage for a couple days but Id still not give them anything unless LA picks up a bunch of Mannys salary
Agreed. And the White Sox declaring they were going to claim him seems to just indicate they *really* want him. They seem to have showed their cards first.
Ok now next step, getting a deal done. Lets go Kenny
I say something like Kyle Colligan straight up for Manny.
When all is said and done, they’re five games off the wild card. FIVE!! That can EASILY be made up in a month. And even in a so-called “down year,” Manny’s leading the team in both OBP and slugging among players with 100 or more AB. And he’s got 40 RBI in basically 1/3 of a season. Seems pretty obvious, especially with as little money as they’ll save and with as little as they’re likely to get in return, that they should keep him.
5 games is a lot to overcome in a month
Especially when you consider they’re not just trying to catch 1 team… They need to play 5 games better than 5 teams.
True, but those five teams are all struggling, and the Dodgers are finally firing on all cylinders (keeping in mind of course that it IS the Dodgers, and they have the most vivid history of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory). It’s tough, but far from impossible. And making the trade now says they’re giving up on the season. Which five games is not enough justification for.
It’s on the fringe, sure. Not impossible, but not probable. I think a prudent GM would let him go – which probably means Coletti keeps him…
Disagree… Anyone that’d let him go this very moment is a quitter (doesn’t go over very well in LA). Now, if they were still 8 BG in WC, that’s a no brainer, you let him go and take what you can get. 5 GB? Nope.
But does keeping Manny get the Dodgers into World Series? As a Dodger fan I wouldn’t be satisfied with just making the playoffs this year. I think getting something good for Manny would be better than getting into the playoffs and not going to the World Series.
Being satisfied about making the playoffs is good for up and coming teams like the Nationals or BlueJays (not a slam to them at all). For a team that has been to and lost NLCS 2 consecutive years, anything less than maximum effort is FAILURE.
The Dodgers have a 3.5% chance of making the playoffs, according to Baseball Prospectus.
It’s not a quitter to let him go – it’s someone who understands basic percentages.
Keep in mind also that the Dodgers have played their best ball within the division- and that’s who the majority of their final games are against. They may have to pass 5 teams, but at least 4 of them are teams they’ve shown themselves as quite capable of outplaying.
3 teams
Well the three next opponents (COL, SF, PHI) are directly above them, POTENTIALLY making it less difficult to shave that deficit.
I also suspect Juan Pierre is thinking “can’t I get AWAY from this guy?” right about now.
SO the bad contract outfielders from the dodgers team up, Manny,Jones, and Pierre but this is a good move by Kenny Williams better than Mark Kotsay
It’s not DeepDishJuanPierre anymore, it’s DeepDishManny.
If the Sox get him and they make the playoffs, that would be good. If they don’t make the playoffs, this move is bad.
captain obvious, ladies and gentleman!
hmmm…interesting. Care to elaborate?
I checked out your site because of your insight.
Spoken like a true poet.
I wonder if Manny made the trip to CO with the Dodgers? Reinsdorf and McCourt were both in Milw for the Selig shindig the other day. Maybe they had their people work out a deal if and when the Sox won the claim and Manny is driving south down 90 now? Why wait till Tuesday when you can get a deal done today and have him face the Yanks……….
Great! Now we just need a time machine and replay the last three weeks!
Pierre lf
Rios cf
Manny dh
Konerko 1b
Quentin rf
Pierzynski c
Beckham 2b
Teahen 3b
Alexei ss
Can you guys start a new thread without all the comments from before knowing who the claiming team was? I know how u guys love to have 3-4 threads about the man ram
One thing that can be agreed upon… Tuesday is a long, long ways away and W/L records for SEVERAL teams can determine if LAD & CWS even want to go forward and pull this off.
My guess, if the Dodgers end up trading him, is that they will get at least one prospect in exchange for paying at least part of his salary. For instance, they could pay the deferred portion, and the White Sox would pay the rest of this year’s, or the Dodgers could pay all of it. But the only way McCourt pays a dime is if they get at least one prospect in return. $4.1 million should be worth a decent prospect.
Dodgers may hold off and see how they fare against Colorado. Sweeping Milwaukee on the road is great, but it’s not as if the Brewers are a top notch team. Colorado is ahead of the Dodgers and if they play poorly, it’s that much harder to come back on them for the wild card.
Manny is still an amazingly good hitter @ .313/.407/.513. Even more important is that he changes the way that opposing managers manage. He MAKES opponents address his presense in the lineup. Just do Yanks fans a favor KW..wait until monday before you work this deal out.
Has the rumor that Manny wants an extension before he agrees to a trade been clear up?
Rosenthal rebuffed it today
How about Miguel Gonzalez?
So both teams have postured. The CWS have said they were going after lesser targets and now have said they havent talked about him. Colletti has said they dont need to trade him. Simply put, the Dodgers have all the leverage. We are 5 games out behind 3 teams, and face nearly everyone who is ahead of us for multiple games. The series in COL will show if we trade or keep Manny
keep him unless Dodgers think they can win without him ( I think they can).
They have the talent but it seems the team plays better with Manny in the lineup. Not sure if they get better pitches or what, but the offense seems alive with him
if the white sox give up anything “worthwhile” they’re stupid. everyone knows the situation in LA…
And the Dodgers would be stupid to let Manny go for something not “worthwhile”.
“worthwhile” would be shedding over 4 million from their debts. If Im Kenny Williams I say the Sox will take Manny for free or LA can watch him trip all over himself for the rest of the year in the outfield. Maybe Manny will get bored in a week or so and get “injured.”
The Dodgers have the leverage as far as dumping salary. If they want to hold up the Sox Kenny walks away hopefully. If the Dodgers really think they will get a decent prospect for a month of Manny AND dumping 4 million they need to think again unless Manny can pitch too.
No im thinking the Dodgers pay Manny’s salary and get a good prospect. If not they keep Manny and see what they can do in the wild card no matter how slim their chances are.
The prorated portion that the White Sox would be responsible for isn’t really that much. It’s just around 4 million, 1 million now and 3 million being deferred. The Dodgers and Frank should be able to live with paying the rest of Manny’s salary if we can get a decent prospect back. We aren’t in a hurry to trade him if we can’t get anything decent in return. We’re already paying the rest of his salary-16 million, for this year.
There’s no point in trading him if we can’t get anything of value back since we wouldn’t be saving much anyways.
Last time I checked about 4 millions is still a big chunk of change.
yea, saving 4+ million dollars is stupid…
He’s not in the lineup again today.
What did the Dodgers ever do to Manny? I can understand his need to get out of Boston, but in L.A. his every whim was catered to and in return he’s a dog. Just because he doesn’t want to play outfield? As a baseball fan, it really sours me on the game.
I don’t understand what you’re tryinf to get at with this comment
Are you bashing Manny for not playing the outfield in BOS but doing so here in LA? Are you bashing Manny for reportedly “saying” that he can’t wait to join the ChiSox?
I don’t get it
um…
I was sympathetic to Manny because I think the Boston fans are, in my opinion, the worst in baseball (that’s from experience — I’m an Angels fan and had to sit next to belligerent drunk Red Sox fans at playoff games. In fact, they make Yankee fans seem like the poster children of humility). I’m bashing him in L.A. because he got everything he wanted, yet he allegedly milked his calf injury. He’s selfish and greedy (like most athletes, probably). So yes, I’m bashing him for “saying” he can’t wait to join the Sox…
Do you get it now?
Personally, no matter how his situation was overblown by the press in Boston, we knew what we were getting when we traded for him.
None of his antics shock me, nor are they offensive to me as a Dodger fan.
If I were in a terrible playing team I’d be feeling the same way as he’s been indirectly quoted as saying.
He did what he was signed to do, can’t ask him to bat for the other 7 anemic spots on the lineup card.
Thanks Manny, good riddance, and good luck getting into October
As a Dodger fan, all I can say is good riddance. Back on ’08, when Manny first came over from Boston, I thought-“Wow, how can a guy this funny, entertaining, etc. AND be such a great player, and still be hated by fans?.” Well, now I know. After his suspension, for the rest of ’09, he was garbage. Just complete garbage-we could have gotten better production from Juan Pierre if we played him everyday. So ’10 came around, and I thought to myself-OK, this is gonna be the year where he really comes around and plays to his full potential. But again, no. For like half of the season, he has been injured, and I can guarantee you that at least a portion of that was not real. The Dodgers have catered to Manny’s EVERY whim-we even named a darn section of the stands after him. But still he fakes injuries, and is reportedly happy to leave the Dodgers and join the ChiSox. So for all White Sox fans out there, I have a few words for you-1.Be careful what you wish for, and 2.Don’t expect anything at all from this guy.
What injuries has he faked this season? So would you also say that players like Jason Bay, Justin Morneau, Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis are faking injuries this year as well? How about Chase Utley and Ryan Howard faking injuries at the same time? Wow!
Sometimes injuries are just that.
I think Dodger fans are out of their minds. Don’t let the fact that you are non-contenders and the fact that Manny wants to play everyday fool you. Manny has had exactly 3 AB’s in the last 3 games and is being sat in favor of Scott Posednic. He’s in the tale end of a contract year and it’s clear Torre doesn’t want to play him. It might be the right move for the Dodgers but it isn’t the right move for Man-NY. He probably feels like the best thing for Manny AND the Dodgers would be to play him everyday. There should be no mistaking him as a team player and the DOdgers knew that already.
Manny is guilty of: Playing a horrible LF. Using PED and getting suspended last year. Possibly sulking since coming back and riding the pine (see the ejection today for a 1-0 count protest). What he should never be accused of is not being an amazing hitter since coming to the Dodgers. If you want to be short-sighted and focus on his hitting since coming back off the DL then fine. However, he hit .366/.444 in June when they were in the hunt and has had exactly 10 AB since his return from the DL. Not exactly fair to say he’s junk now or dogging it. Even when Manny was trying to leave Boston he was still raking. The last thing Manny wants to do two months away from being a FA is sit on the bench or put up pathetic numbers. In his 3 years as a Dodger what hasn’t he done offensively other than hit .300+ and post an obd of way over .400?
If I were the DOdgers I would let him go to Chicago. Clearly Torre has no desire to play hm (or maybe upper management is telling him not to) and clearly Manny would prefer to prove himself with 1 month left to go in the season and doesn’t want to be in LA riding the pine.
check your facts son, he has ever tested positived for peds, what he did test positive for is a supplement that MAY be used to bring test back to normal levels after using roids…
Check your facts. hCG is a banned substance, and the only known uses for hCG are 1) restoring testosterone levels after a steroid cycle and 2) use as a female fertility drug.
Regardless of the semantics, to argue that Manny did not use PEDs requires ignorance of a “Selig in the steroid era” level.
The Dodgers have catered to Manny’s EVERY whim-we even named a darn section of the stands after him. But still he fakes injuries,
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You say that as if the Dodgers were paying him for the section in the stands named after him. As for the injuries…what benefit would Manny get for faking injuries and missing almost 2 months of the season of a contract walk year? The guy was hitting .366/.441 before he went down and the missed time will probably be the difference between getting a market value deal this winter and getting an incentive based one.
Yeah, but you’re not dealing with a rational human being. You’re dealing with Manny Ramirez (and his equally irrational agent, Scott Boras). If Manny had one iota of a brain , he would have exploited his L.A. goodwill to reinvent himself. Instead, he’s taking his baggage (as well as a questionable bat at this point) to another city. Suckers.
What I meant when I said that was that we IDOLIZED this guy in 2008, in 2009 we gave him more than ample chance to redeem himself, and in 2010 we expected nothing from him (didn’t boo him or hate him, though), and he still fakes injuries and acts like he’s happy to leave? But honestly, I don’t care about this guy anymore. Just go to Chicago Manny and piss off some more fans. Seems like thats something you never stop doing.
If it isn’t much of Ramirez’ salary, i’d take Gilmore. He has shown steady improvement each year and is still young
how about that left handed power bat and the bullpen.
The White Sox have quite the lineup now. But Manny still isnt Manny of his Red Sox days, but still potentially that is strong lineup
Still the road to the WS to me is getting past the Yankees. And the Yanks are doing it with CC & a patchup rotation, and AJ the Headcase…
Its a great deal for the Sox though…
He has a OPS over 900. He will be an amazing DH
How can Manny be a good deal and a bad player and the antichrist all at the same time?
One month at $4.5 million? Bwahahahahahaha!
The nightmare is over!!!
From TBLA, a poster found a scouting report on the 3B prospect:
āA supplemental first round draft pick (33rd overall) in 2007 out of Iowa City HS (IA), Gilmore was noted for his strength and athleticism. He was considered a strong defensive prospect at 3B with with terrific bat speed and huge raw power, so obviously expectations were high.ā
chicagonow.com/blogs/future-sox/2010/04/jon-gilmor…
Does anyone know anything else?
ok manny is gone does that mean that they are done trading their player i mean i was told they put 6 other player on waiver this past week havent heard about any of them please give me updates on them not just manny
I’d rather the Sox pick up the rest of Manny’s salary that have the Dodgers pick up some and get Gilmore. I mean, 40 errors in a single season? That’s a sub-.900 Fielding% at a position where you need good defence. No thanks on Gilmore.
What I meant when I said that was that we IDOLIZED this guy in 2008, in 2009 we gave him more than ample chance to redeem himself, and in 2010 we expected nothing from him (didn’t boo him or hate him, though), and he still fakes injuries and acts like he’s happy to leave? But honestly, I don’t care about this guy anymore. Just go to Chicago Manny and piss off some more fans. Seems like thats something you never stop doing.
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I’m not trying to say Manny is a good guy but exactly what reason would he have to fake an injury when he is trying to post good numbers so that he can get a new contract at the end of the year from another team? Also, keeping that in mind and add in the fact that Torre has benched him because of his 2-12 slump since coming back and why would Manny be anything but unhappy? I’m not defending him for saying things in the press but when it’s obvious he’s not happy with his situation he has history of “helping the team” make a decision. So again….why would Manny fake an injury and lose almost all of July and August when he had a great June and is working on securing a strong market for himself this winter? I seriously doubt he’s faking in but by looking at what he did today during his PH it’s obvious he wants out and wants to go where he can get 4 AB a day. I guarantee you he mashes again like he did back in ’08 when he was traded to the Dodgers. Why? Because he’s playing for another contract. Unfortunately playing him in favor of Posednik or to make him unhappy (this accepting a trade) was in the best interest of the Dodgers I guess. It’s not like they are contenders now.
I think this deal is great for both parties if the Dodgers get Gilmore. Manny was going to walk at the end of the year and not get offered arbitration anyways so at least you get something. I think that Gilmore has potential for growth too. Manny would be good for the rest of the year and possibly next year as the DH. Will have to see how he and Ozzie work out together. That will be interesting. Now KW trade Morel to the Blue Jays for one of their relievers. I’m sure they will give up at least Kevin Gregg for a future 3B. Get it done KW.
A late season salary dump. Santana, Bell now many Ramirez. It is a good move for McCourt, another bad move for the dodgers. This is just the start,it is going to be ugly the way this team will be dismantled, plus the way the Dodgers will try to sell it.
Not sure why you’d put Santana and Bell in the same category as free agent-to-be Manny Ramirez when the team is out of the playoff race by any realistic measure.
I am far more upset about giving up on McDonald and Lambo for Octavio freaking Dotel.
Both Santana and Bell who both should be major leaguers with good careers were traded for players that the team the Dodgers received Blake and Sherill from paid the salary for the final 6 weeks or so McCourt got the players for free by giving up the Minor league talent. It actually is a sale of a player but the term of sale is not used. McCourts pockets the salary’s for the players he receives.That is why I put these guys in the same category at least they are calling it a salary dump. That is what it is. The McCourts are making so much money, this guy is so greedy when the time comes to sign these young players when they become free agents it will be a heartbreak to Dodger fans. As far as McDonald and Lambo. The Pirates are letting MacDonald start, we will see what he has got. The Dodgers gave him his shots at starting and he just could not put it together. Lambo served a 50 game suspension for steroids. Not so sure what he is about without them? However perhaps the Dodgers should have kept MacDonald down in the minors and give him the chance to find his control. If the Bucs find his problem MacDonald has the look of a big time talent.Dotel was another deal where McCourt laid out no money. McCourt since he took over ownership of the team is last in spending for development of minor league baseball players in Major League Baseball.
I think the DeWitt deal McCourt also pocketed some money. He was learning a new position and he had the look of a guy who was going to have a good career. Again to lose these young players for what amounts to very little money for a team that is always tops in attendance year after year. This team is run like a small market team by a little con man from the sewers of Boston.
Lambo was suspended for marijuana, not steroids.
As far as saving money by dealing Manny, that’s fine with me. He’s nothing but a distraction at this point and I’d rather the Dodgers give some kids playing time in September.
I agree with you about Santana and Bell. The Santana deal could have easily cost the Dodgers a championship if one considers that Santana could’ve been retained and then used as a centerpiece for Cliff Lee at the ’09 trade deadline. The Dodgers could’ve put together a better package than the Phillies did if they still had Santana at the time. Then who knows how the NLDS and NLCS would’ve played out in ’09, or this season…
I didn’t` know it was Marijuana Lambo was suspended for. Again if you study all the Dodgers trades it involves a good prospect for a veteran whose salary is being covered by the team that is trading to the Dodgers. It is in essence a sale of minor league talent. Clubs in the past with poor attendance would do this with there best young talent to the Yankees for cash relief to cover payroll. McCourt is a genius in that he bought the team with no equity, he deferred salary’s on many players. He inherited these young players who are becoming stars and to this point has ben able to manage salary’s. He has invested very little in his minor league system while selling off his minor league players. You can only hope if you are a fan that a new owner with an open checkbook owns the Dodgers when Looney, Kemp and the others become free agents. While his business model is sharp for the fan watching this it is brutal.
Colletti needs to be more aggressive as a GM. He’s giving away our prospects for mediocre washed up veterans that aren’t even worth that kind of price. And we still can’t even get anything for Manny other than money to pay the lawyers. It seems like we’re always the victims of desperate deadline trades while teams get to feast on us.If we don’t field a competitive team next year, I think its time we just stop going to games. I’d rather just listen to Vin Scully then to waste money. We already have enough holes in the lineup and rotation coming into the offseason and who knows if we’ll even have any money left at all to spend to re-sign or get any free agents.We have to deal with parking, ridiculous food lines, and other crap too.The fans deserve better and we need them to take us more seriously.