4:13pm: The Baltimore Sun reports that the Orioles haven't been in touch with the Hendricks brothers since telling Chapman's representatives how they valued the pitcher.
1:40pm: Gordon Edes of ESPN.com hears that the Red Sox are still pursuing Chapman and remain "very much in the picture" to sign the lefty. The Red Sox have continued talking with Chapman's representatives since making their initial offer of $15MM-plus. Meanwhile, Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe also hears that the Yankees are out.
THURSDAY, 6:35am: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweeted last night that the Angels are "trying like crazy" to sign Chapman. Yahoo's Tim Brown tweets disagreement from an Angels source: "Despite what you read, we're not in that deep."
6:56pm: Clark Spencer of The Miami Herald tweets that internally, the Marlins have "conceded defeat" in the Chapman sweepstakes.
WEDNESDAY, 3:55pm: At least three teams are out on Chapman: the Astros, Yankees, and Mets (ESPN's Buster Olney via Twitter, and MLB.com's Brian McTaggart).
TUESDAY, 8:48pm: Juan C. Rodriguez of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that the Aroldis Chapman sweepstakes may be nearing a close. According to Rodriguez, Chapman is saying that he "expects to sign within the next three or four days." As many as 15 clubs have shown some degree of interest in the Cuban left-hander, including several small-market franchises.
One such team, the Marlins, are particularly taken with Chapman since they hope that South Florida's large Cuban population will tempt the 21-year-old into signing at something of a hometown discount. Rodriguez reports that the Marlins have already made a $13MM contract offer to Chapman and have now raised that offer — a wise move given that the Red Sox have already offered Chapman $15.5MM.
The Marlins' maneuvering may be all for naught, however. An unnamed source tells Rodriguez that the Angels and Blue Jays seem to be the favorites to sign the Cuban left-hander, and that Chapman will sign with one of the two clubs for "around $21MM."
Wow, the Free Agent market is really getting soaked up now. Damon will be the number one news source after Chapman signs.
Boston
marlins. it would be nice to see him with jj and ricky
if he signs with the jays…. their young pitching is great but could soon be greater
as long as new york doesn’t touch him. 😛
Typical Boston fan, obsessing about the Yankees
Yup. As a Red Sox fan, I’m unsurprisingly worried about our biggest competition in the division possibly getting a good pitcher. So therefore also I’ll be bright and optimistic about the Red Sox’s chances to get Chapman! Actually, I think I try to stay unbiased most of the time, but yes, my focus are the Red Sox, and I’m willing to admit it 😛 And as a Sox fan I’m therefore also interested in anything the Yankees do or could do. Hey, you’re most interested in your favorite team, right? You -do- have a favorite team, right? 🙂
BoSoxSam,
I like your being candid and all, and yes, I do have a favorite team which would be the Yankees, and I must admit I keep a close eye on what Boston is doing for the same reasons you keep tabs on the Yankees, and finally, since were baring our souls here, I would say this about Chapman, “As long as Boston doesn’t touch him”. 🙂 Have a good one.
Sox won’t get him – they’re done with spending money for the season…
Heh, TBH I thought they were done before they signed Beltre..and looking at this Kotchman trade now, yeah they’ve gotta be done. That move is simply looking to cut cash (I’m assuming the M’s are gonna pass along the Brewer’s cash for Bill Hall), since other than that all they add is slightly more versatility. The Red Sox are done for the winter, looking ahead to the Trade Deadline and next winter now. 🙂
The Kotchman deal was to stay under the tax. If the Sox can keep Chapman off of the 40 man roster he wouldn’t count against the tax.
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if its really between the Angels and jays..im gonna put my wallet that its the Angels.
uh im gonna bet its the jays, i can’t see them willing to be outbid by one team. i think the ability to bring his family to canada might sway chapman too.
I think Chaoman might have something to say… He have the choice between the Angels or the Red Sox instead of the Blue Jays, wel….
Jays have way more available cash than LAA.
You really think he would play in Canada?
Yes.
It’s tough to think of environment more different from Cuba than Canada. In fact there are only 12,000 Cubans in all of Canada. The weather and Hispanic population in Los Angeles/Orange County are much more similar to that of Chapman’s native Cuba, and that alone should give them the advantage given we don’t know the teams’ specific finances.
the governments are similar though
Why wouldn’t he play in Canada?
I would think staying out the US would actually be an attractive option for a Cuban.
You know, with the Embargo on your homeland and all.
arte does it again! as a loyal los doyers fan i can admit i have much respect for mr. moreno. yes, the kid will sign with the angels. canada? c’mon son.
Canada is a lot more friendly to Cuba then the US is. He could bring his family and be at liberty to travel back to his homeland during the offseason. It seems to me that, all things being equal, he might just choose the Jays.
No trade/travel embargo against his home country? C’mon son.
I’m sure they’ll be receptive to him after he defected from the country.
“canada? c’mon son.”
Toronto is a lot like any big Northeastern American city. It’s probably more similar to New York/Chicago/Boston than a significant portion of the US is. It’s not exactly a culture shock.
I’m sure Chapman will just go to wherever offers the most money, like 95% of all athletes.
AGREED. Never knockin canada. Prolly my favorite country. Jus sayin, as a 21 yr old defector from Cuba, livin in el ay vs. toronto, is there really a question?
I do not know the familial bonds of this protege. If there is literature regarding this phenomenon, please excuse. !Viva los doyers!
Chapman is a resident of Andorra, and probably has no intention of going to Cuba.
I live in Chicago but frequently visit Toronto as I have family there. The cities are pretty similar in my opinion.
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I agree with you, but the choices apparently aren’t between Toronto, New York, Chicago or Boston. As reported, it’s between LA and Toronto. And he will decide to play where the money is, so none of this seems relevant.
Yeah, it seems that way. I was just agreeing that Toronto is a nice city and that I could easily see someone wanting to live there. It shouldn’t affect his decision. If anything, Toronto has some advantages over other cities, but in the end money will be a big factor, of course.
I agree with you, but the choices apparently aren’t between Toronto, New York, Chicago or Boston. As reported, it’s between LA and Toronto. And he will decide to play where the money is, so none of this seems relevant.
Hmm… please not the angels, I don’t want him in the AL West… (@_@)
Yeah I think it’s going to be the angels if the two offers are comparable, hope he lands on the jays though.
Jays? Yes, please!
Pleas go to the angels hey where do you go go to sign in now i always used to do it with typad
I’ve previously commented that Chapman will sign for 22-24 mil area
per year?
i HIGHLY doubt that
he would probably make about 4-6 mil a year
Kinda why I asked him. No actual specification.
yeah they havnt been very specific about that in the reports and there has been alot of confusion about the contract
That would be a great get by the Jays, and a nice use of the Halladay/Rios money. The only thing that shocks me about the Jays is they have so many early draft picks next year due to the compensation picks for Scutaro and Barajas (when he signs) and the 3 picks for the failure to sign their guys last year. Not saying it’s a bad move, just uncharacteristic to spend so much money on unproven talent. If they do though I say bravo.
Where are the Mets and Yankees in all this? Do they know something? Or are waiting to pounce? The Mets need pitching and to build their farm system and the Yankees need to have every coveted player…. Especially anyone Boston wants!
Yankees.
If he’s not a Met I hope he goes anywhere but the NL East, Yankees or Boston
With Chapman, 2011-2015 would look pretty good for the Jays, IMHO:
Chapman/Drabek/Cecil/Morrow/Romero
Jenkins/Stewart/Rzepcynski/Marcum/Litsch/Alvarez/McGowan/Gonzalez/Accardo/Mills/Roenicke
C D’Arnaud/Arencibia
1B Wallace
2B Hill
SS [?]
3B Encarnacion [?]
LF/DH Lind
CF Wells
RF Snider
DH/LF [?]
Add 9/ top 100 in the 2010 Draft, and an influx of funds from Rogers’ massive bank, and…
Impressive young pitching there, even w/o chapman.
If the Jays can get Chapman, they could probably afford to trade some of their young starting pitching to help in other areas. Maybe a young SS?
I don’t think that the team that signs him will be plugging him into their rotation out of spring training. My guess is, at most, he will get a look through some bullpen work and may get a spot start here and there to see how he holds up or if any starters go down to injury. The question is can any team handle this type of investment for a guy who may not contibute fully in his first Major League Baseball season.
To my understanding (which could be wrong)..
the team that signs him gets 6 MLB service years out of him. Signing him for a 4 or 5 year contract just means that you will have to go to arbitration with him after that.
So based on that, I think it might actually be beneficial for a team to keep him in the minors for a year or two, then start his MLB service clock ticking once he’s prepared to handle MLB pitching.
You’d just have to think of his salary for the first couple years as a signing bonus.
I would think, actually, given comments from some MLB GMs and scouts, that Chapman might be looking at a full year in the minor leagues and possibly two years before becoming an MLB regular. There’s a consensus that he is not as close as Strasburg is to being ready for a starting job, and that he would require some minor league work to iron out kinks, control problems, and general inexperience.
Just because he’s a lefty who throws 96 (and rumored 101), doesn’t mean you can’t throw him out on the mound in April…
Houston as a dark horse candidate?
the astros? they are so deeply confused! more like a dead-horse candidate.
MLB Network said the Astros pulled out of the bidding for him, sorry 🙁
for the jays this move would actually make total sense even if he needs a year and a half or 2 full years in the minors because of the ton of cap room they have , and it just makes sense in AA’s plan for the bluejays. and that amount of money would be pocket change for rogers at this point. medium risk money wise for high skill potential, i say sign the kid!
jays will lock him up, they got money to play with on some new toys, and this project looks like a fun one for them with all there young pitchers, just another pig in the pen.
I’m guessing angels for a few reasons. I think that if offers were similar between jays and angels he would pick angels, and second, im hoping that Kendry Morlaes being a Cuban defect can appeal to Chapman to be a halo
Chapman also changed his agent to the same one as Morales a month or so ago. For that reason alone, with all other things being equal, I think the Angels are the first choice.
Then why didn’t his agents grant the Angels a private workout? Seems odd to me…
Jays fan? lol
Are we ever told in detail about these supposed private workouts? It’s a business. They only disclose a minor portion of their practices.
Keep believing that…
Made me open that email for no reason? Have you no ability to discuss intellectually without getting hurt?
If I had the time to discuss, I would. But since I don’t…
Haha, so it takes you that long to acquire a few thoughts? K buddy, next time..
It’s called a job. It seems like you have some sort of inferiority complex, eh? Keep laughing if it makes you feel good. It gives me the satisfaction that I’ve helped someone out. 🙂
“It’s called a job.”
-Ooh, sounds elusive. Tell me about it. Entering a commenting thread named perfectly, and with reason, Disqus, claiming you don’t have time yet you still get back on to say you can’t discuss is similar to Steve Carell calling to say he’s not calling in Dan in Real Life.
“It seems like you have some sort of inferiority complex, eh?”
-Nice try, keep going.
Keep laughing if it makes you feel good. It gives me the satisfaction that I’ve helped someone out. 🙂
-Thanks, pal! Have a lovely Thursday.
I will. 🙂
Made me open that email for no reason? Have you no ability to discuss intellectually without getting hurt?
chapman’s agents have close ties with some people in the blue jays organization. read that somewhere go google it or something
doubting that being freinds with kendry is going to make a huge difference considering hell likely be in the minors for a year if not 2, he has a higher chance of making the jays rotation earlier with so many spots up for grabs for the next year or two. but just my opinion, angels have a cap or else they would resigned lackey, jays are wellll below theres im thinking jays could outbid if it came down to that, whether they will or not remains to be seen.
If JP Ricciardi was still the boss, I have no doubt the Jays would not land him…in fact, they wouldn’t be in the mix. Alex Anthopoulos so far has shown he has the ability to get things done, and I think that if he is still in the mix here there is something they really like in Chapman. Remember, on Dec. 31 the Jays got a private workout where all of the Jays brass attended (minus Beeston) couple that with the Hendricks’ and Beeston’s relationship and I’d think the Jays are the favourites to land Aroldis.
OR the Angels didn’t re-signb lackey because he was long gone in his head – -he HATED how scioscia used him, hated being taken out and “upstaged” and literally was gone before the season ended last year. Arte makes the moves he needs to make, and the Angels have plenty left to spend.
the angels are in the position where they might be better off getting pitchers that they could use now. i think its better for them to go after a guy who is major league ready than to get a guy who wont be ready for a year or two but really any team would probably be better off getting chapman unless he turns out to be a bust which seems highly unlikely but its happened before
They already have Trevor Reckling and Matt Palmer for the 5th spot.
True but their bullpen is terrible
Wow…Marcum, Morrow, Romero, Chapman, Cecil, Rzepczynski, Ray, Purcey, Mills, Stewart, Gonzalez, Richmond, McGowan, Litsch, Drabeck…..Thats a hell of a lot of quality young Starters!!
its a hell of a lot of trade bait as well, that could definately benefit in the long term when the rotation fills out.
First ever 15-man rotation? Should be fun!
First ever 15-man rotation? Should be fun!
I doubt it’s either the Angels or Blue Jays. This seems like the type of player the Red Sox or Yankees will swoop in and sign once everyone’s high bid is in.
I’m hoping Omar signs Chapman…if nothing else but to piss off the Met fans that think he is racist for preferring latinos…lololol
The Angels do have Morales, but the Blue Jays also have a former Cuban national team member in SP Kenny Rodriguez, who Chapman likely knows well. Rodriguez finished the year at AA and would likely be sent whereever Chapman goes this year. Who knows, Rodriguez may be a large part of the reason why the Jays are in this.
Personal opinion here once again, but if I’m Chapman (unless some other team offers him something that blows 15.5 out of the water) I’m going to go to Boston. I mean lets just look at the track record for young pitcher development… Lester, perfecting Becketts delivery, the success of Clay Buchholz as well as the presence of Varitek who has a great history of working with young pitchers and Victor Martinez who may not be cuban, but he does speak Spanish and would be a good match to work with Aroldis.
The Marlins are a good fit as well, but I think when the benefits are even the way they are, you have to go with who offers more money. I wouldn’t even be considering any of the other 13 teams unless they offered me something in the 20MM+ range.
Jays young pitching development is just as good as Boston’s last time I checked. I’m also not sure how Beckett figures into that but okay? Finally, is the fact that Victor Martinez (a free agent after this year, non-Cuban) speaks Spanish really a selling point on getting Chapman? I mean, WHAT? I heard Adam Lind has a dark-skinned girlfriend, does Chapman sway towards Toronto now instead? Talk about making garbage up. Also, what does Varitek have to do with Chapman exactly? Varitek will be long gone by the time Aroldis gets to the Bigs. I mean, I don’t mean to be rude but you need to think more before you post next time.
The Angels also have clearly developed some great pitchers as well.
Whoa whoa whoa… you are actually comparing the blue jays player development to the Red Sox? Who have you put out as far as pitchers go short of Halladay who’s been a 15+ game winner…? There is no comparison. Lester is a top lefty in MLB. Beckett was still very raw when he came to Boston. He was a fierce competitor but he even says he was not the pitcher he is now before he came to Boston. Buchholz came into his own last season. Bard was impressive. Papelbon is always impressive… Please don’t even try to compare Romero or any of those scrubs to the likes of Lester or even Clay Buchholz. There is no comparison in stuff or even stats… Romero is 26 already and is getting his first MLB experiences last year.
Tek may be gone, true but he works with minor league pitchers as well. He’s a dedicated Red Sox teammate who is concerned with the well being of the franchise.
Second Chap will be in Double-A, Triple-A for only about 1 year maybe 2… Tek very well may still be with the franchise if he doesn’t retire after this year.
Third… So if you spoke french and the catcher spoke chinese… you would feel comfortable? No. You need a catcher who’s going to speak the same language as the pitcher. Thats a pretty big influence. I’m not saying vmart is the only spanish speaking catcher, but it most certainly gives a large advantage to the team possessing a spanish speaking catcher. Skin color and language are two COMPLETELY different things if you haven’t noticed LOL.
Lastly, the opportunity to work with the best pitching coach in baseball (John Farrell) is one that most pitchers wouldn’t turn down. There is a reason that he has been asked every year to become a full time manager and commands the respect he does. I would suggest YOU think before you post.
And when do you think the Jays have a shot at contending in the AL East? 2014? 2015?… I mean i’m sorry. But your franchise is the biggest joke in baseball thanks to the worst GM in a long time JP Ricciardi (I’d put our own Duquette near the top of that list too). You will be competiting for 4th with the Orioles behind the Rays…
Also, I doubt the Jays could afford to drop 20MM for Chapman which would be necessary to acquire him. Unfortunately that Vernon Wells deal still weighs that franchise down.
I agree with BK on the Angels. I’m surprised they have not gotten more involved. But I seem to remember them dropping out of the Chapman sweepstakes due to the work that was needed. They didn’t feel it was worth the money to have to develop the guy as much as they felt they would need to. Correct me if i’m mistaken, but I read that awhile ago (maybe as long as a month ago).
Angels would be a good fit too though. I agree with that.
JP Ricciardi was a terrible GM? I’d put him as average-slightly above average. Guy just couldn’t shut his mouth. Your blatant Boston homerism is amusing though. Just because a team doesn’t win 90+ games every year on a consistent basis does not mean they are a joke. Our new GM has a direction, and he’s shown that he steps up to the plate when something needs to get done. Boston shouldn’t be counting playoff appearances as if they are set in stone in a couple years, the Jays look like they are shaping up to be a good team fairly soon. You’re just another Boston idiot who overvalues his own players and your reasoning for Chapman taking 5 mil less for Boston is completely assinine. Beckett is one of the most overrated pitchers in baseball because you clowns walk around touting him as the next coming of christ.
I’m sorry boxcar8, but you are the one that is just plain wrong. Every year we hear about how the Blue Jays are going to contend, and every year they end up at the bottom of the division. You don’t have the money, the talent, the farm system, et cetera to compete in this division in the near future. Sure times will change, hell you guys even won a couple championships 2 decades ago… but right now you have more in common with the Kansas City Royals than anyone else.
In the end, the Red Sox and Yankees will be competing for the division, the Rays close behind them, and I’m sorry to say the Orioles have a better lineup and might beat you guys for 4th place.
But at least its easy to get tickets for a Jays game…
The ’06 and ’08 Jays won 88 and 87 games respectively. How is that having anything in common with the Royals? Shoot your mouth off, fine, but it’s probably not a good idea to make yourself look like a total hypocrite. The Rays were terrible from the late 90s to 2007. You are probably a guy who laughed at them and were calling them a joke right up until they won the division…though you will no doubt say you saw it coming years ago.
Stick to what you’re good at, blindly cheering for your own team and having a narrow view of the baseball world outside of it.
PS The Jays have LOTS of money. Ownership is easily capable of matching the Red Sox dollar for dollar and our farm is getting much better and will hopefully be in the top half after the draft. Whether Rogers actually coughs up the cash when the time is right is yet to be seen, but have no doubt it IS there.
Sorry buddy. I wish it were true. More contenders means the further back the Yanks fall… Which makes me happy. But its not going to be reality. The Jays budget is 80MM for this season I am pretty sure. Maybe they can push 90 to sign a guy like Chap, but thats half of what Boston spends.
Just for the record again, I’m all for a salary cap.
LOL I was with my fiance last night so I decided to wait until this morning to respond to these jokes…. But come one guys seriously.
The Blue Jays won games with a good pitching staff headed up by Halladay and Burnett… BOTH GONE! lol. I’d be shocked if you guys won 65 games this season… I like the Jays… I don’t know why you are getting so touchy when I say you guys suck now. The farm is not very strong even after the Halladay trade. That team is simply waiting for contracts like Vernon Wells to conclude before they even consider trying to become contenders again. You are like the Tigers, but worse. At least the Tigers maintain some really good bats. Aaron Hill is a great player as is Lind… But Rolen, Gone. Halladay, Gone. Burnett, Gone… You guys are going to finish exactly as viewaskew says “behind the orioles” or at the best competing for 4th with the Orioles…
The Orioles at least have a stronger core of players and a strong system that will be good in a few years. As I said, till Wells is gone, Anthopoulos is going to have a hard time building a strong core given the reduced Jays budget. I’m sorry Ricciardi screwed you guys right where it hurts… but thats reality. Once again I like the the Jays, so why all the hatred towards me. Once again my comments about Chapman, I simply said “In my opinion”…. And you are calling me touchy? lol.
Not getting touchy, but idiocy or people talking about things they have no clue about annoy me. Like your payroll comment. 2009: $121,745,999 (taken from Cot’s baseball contracts) that was the Sox’s 2009 salary. Maybe you’re better at math than I am, but that doesn’t seem like double 80-85 million. Or the Jays ownership (Canada’s largest telecommunications company who are rolling in cash) who have publicly stated they will dig deep if a plan is in place. Right now, as we are acquiring young talent there is no purpose in signing a big name FA, nor would one want to come into this rebuilding situation.
So maybe it was being touchy (i guess) but seriously if you’re going to post something at least make sure it’s in the same ballpark as being correct.
In regards to bringing up pitching talent…
If you want to one-to-one your references, then if you can take credit for Beckett, then the Jays can say the say the same about Burnett. He credits his time there to his increased success.
How about Carpenter? Once he shook off his injuries upon leaving the Jays, he turned into a Cy Young pitcher. He owes those years of development to Toronto. That definitely matches up to Buchholz.
Noone is complaining about how Marcum and Romero have come along, and then you’re left with Halladay, who of course outshines anyone Boston has or had.
Sure, there’s some Bushes and Chacin’s in there, but Toronto’s track record hasn’t been the farce you’re suggesting.
buddy are you on your period or something. relax don’t go on hating on other teams just because the red sox are pretty much out of the race to acquire chapman . im sorry i had to say that but some of your comments are very ignorant . don’t go on calling the blue jays franchise a joke . in the past 20 years the blue jays and redsox have each won the world series twice. we were good before, you guys are good now. we will be good in the future. this is how sports work. some teams are better than others every year.
The difference arsenal, is the core of talent that exist. Short of Hill, the Jays lack anyone resembling a superstar at the moment. I’m not too up on your guys current farm system, but I don’t remember seeing it on the top 10 list going into 2010, so its in the bottom 2/3 of baseball (which still isn’t necessarily bad). I’m not being touchy at all. As you saw, thats in my opinion (and pretty much everyone elses…. but whatever)… If you want to keep your hopes up. Go for it dude. As you said, the Sox sucked in teh 90’s and if you read my other posts, Duquette screwed us just like Ricciardi screwed you. I sympathize with you. But its going to take you guys 5-6 years minimum to rebuild.
the jays farm system is actually shaping up to be very good . im not to familiar with other teams farm systems but i believe we have some really good talent. just a few names that come in mind are kyle drabek, brett wallace, travis snider, zach stewart, jp arencibia, brian dopirak, travis d’arnaud. with the potential addition of chapman i think you would even rate the clubs farm system to be in the top 10 atleast. some of the superstars that u forgot to mention along with aaron hill are randy ruiz, adam lind and a matter a face vernon wells. hes huge contract over shadows his talent. hes a decent player for now but is capable of doing a lot more damage than stats may show.
Not saying wells won’t rebound, but you can’t rely on that. Drabek may one day be an ace. No doubt in my mind on that. But snider still has a lot of room for improvement that’s yet to be seen how he will pan out. The rest of the names I’m not overly familiar with, however, given your statement I will do some research. Thanks for the insight
And I corrected myself and added lind to just about every post 🙂 but he needs to do it again to impress me. Just personal opinion 🙂
Beckett_Lackey_LesterFTW said:
“Also, I doubt the Jays could afford to drop 20MM for Chapman which would be necessary to acquire him. Unfortunately that Vernon Wells deal still weighs that franchise down.”
Um yeah, you do realize that the Jays have one of the richest owners in baseball? Thats 20 billion that Rogers is worth. Jeez, 20 million over 4 or years will really eat into that wouldnt it? Dont talk about what you dont know about.
Doesnt really matter when your owner wont put the cash that he has into the team
However, I am in North Miami right now on vacation, and no doubt i could be swayed by the amazing cuban food here =) LOL. It really is unbelievably better than anything in the NY Area.
You should get into comedy. I feel you have a knack for it…
Why would the Yankees want him? They’re only interested in high priced free agents that can compete immediately.
They have no young players in the system who are worth a damn… how about that? Jesus Romero is about the only prospect in their system I would have any interest in acquiring, and only if I had an open DH spot because he is terrible behind the plate and has never played a game at 1st to my knowledge…
Chapman would be a great pickup for the Yanks to continue to maintain the competitive edge.
Jesus montero sorry lol. talkin about romero got his name in my head.
Anyone else find it coincidental that Chapman’s timeline for signing (3-4 days) ends when Anthopoulos’ honeymoon ends? Eh? *wink wink* *nudge nudge* Eh?
It would be a great signing for the Jays. It would show the fan base that they are serious about winning. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.
Wasn’t there a report last week from the top Angel’s scouting director denying interest in Chapman?
I’m pretty sure that was denying that he had seen Chapman in a private workout. Not denying that they were interested.
He’ll have a tough first year if he comes out of Spring training with a Major League club.
Agreed. He reportedly needs to polish up his secondary offerings with at least a few months in the minors. I think he’ll need a full season, or more.
It seems you have a great joke writing ability.
Don’t worry, I’m just messing with you. 😛
he is not going to sign with any big name club. the kid wants the be the star of the show , signing with the blue jays will definately give him the chance to do just that especially becuase halladay is gone. he can bring his family over easily to canada , and you cant find cuban cigars in the US lol. its more likely he will make his major league debut with the jays in 2010 if he signs. the only problem i see is the language barrier that might make chapman feel uncomfortable however that can be easily taken care of .
The language barrier will be with him anywhere he goes, but the Jays have a few Dominicans that don’t speak very good english like Bautista, E5 Gonzalez and Chavez so they could maybe help him fit in.
Thank you CoolFam. Until a salary cap is instituted, you will see all potential stars heading towards the Yanks, Sox, Angels, Mets, Tigers, Cards, and even the Dodgers…
o yes i had totally forgot about all the Dominicans that play on the jays. as a jays fan i really want chapman to sign not only because he has amazing talent but also because it will help revive that fan base that has disappeared becuase of the loss of roy halladay.
i love how a boston fan called the jays a joke of a franchise, when last time i checked weve won just as many titles as you in the last 90 years, except we did it in 17 years. just sayin, jsut cuz yur team is competitive now doesnt change how long your franchise was a joke for, THINK BEFORE YOU POST.
Woah, chill out. I hate every person who tries to point to the past to prove a point. Sure, as a franchise if you look at it from a whole history point of view, the Red Sox are kind of wacky. Great at the beginning, great right now (had some great years in between as well, just never won), but never consistently great like the Yankees, for example. However, since 2004 it’s clear who was the better team of the two, and both INFINITELY better than the Blue Jays. I read the post you’re talking about and he seems to be talking about recent history there; while I don’t know if I completely agree, his basic assumption that the Blue Jays have been a MESS, especially compared to the Sox, is definitely correct. If you can’t admit that then you’re just as biased as a Red Sox fan who thinks the team was ALWAYS better than the Yankees.
You are correct to a point. After winning back to back World Series titles, times have certainly been lean. And by back to back I mean 2 consecutive years. They depleted a stocked farm to win and that they did. Through some mismanagment, lack of spending and an ownership change, times were tough.
We did have the best pitcher is baseball to watch every 5 days. Lucky ass Phils fans.
The two titles for the Jays will not be infamously linked to the steroid era like the Sox (think Manny, think Papi, hell a buddy of who used to play for the Bruins said your ‘C’ was a user).
So yes the past is the past. So with that, the Sox haven’t won squat in a couple of years and are not the favorite to win this season.
More simply put, the arrogance of SOME Sox fans draw the ire of others. Like Woody Woodpecker, Sox fans can be “instigators”.
Haven’t dropped a Seinfeld reference in a while!
So I’m just wondering…2006 was in fact one of those years since 2004, were the Sox INFINITELY better than the Jays when they finished a game behind them? I’m not saying the Jays are better than the Sox by any strech, but exaggerating to further your own cause is kinda BS. The Jays have been an AVERAGE to SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE team for the past few years. Obviously that is not good enough for the playoffs, but it certainly doesn’t qualify as “joke of a franchise” status like some of the Sox clowns are saying. When we start losing 90-100 games every year, then you can say the Jays are a joke of a franchise.
Hm. Good point. Okay, I agree with you. While we both seem to agree that the Sox have been better than the Jays lately, that doesn’t make Toronto a joke franchise. I thought a year or two back that they seemed to be backtracking, but lately it does seem like they are pulling themselves out of mediocrity. And again, being average doesn’t make you a joke, and as 2006 as an example they actually had a decent season that year.
The whole Washburn thing was to throw everyone off track. It’s the Twins.
No – only one beer so far, why do you ask?
I hope the Cubs can pick him up for lefty rotation insurance until Lilly comes back. I’m not sold on Gorzelanny or Marhsall as a dominant lefty presence.
cubs arent even in the running, and insurance for lilly? chapman is looking at a year or in the minor leagues you know that right?
Thinking KC.
22.5 should get it.
Chapman, Arguelles, Montgomery, Crow, Melville, Dwyer, Lamb, Keyenga, Duffy, Sample, Coleman, Rosa…yeah. he’d be a fine addition 😀
Aroldis would look great in Black and Teal. (Marlins).
it’s hard for anyone to look good in those black-and-teals
Amen, yeesh that uniform is ugly, in fairness, so is the jays.
the jays have classy uni’s except for the powder blues lol
I really hope the Yankees pass on Chapman. I rather see another team pay him the big bucks now while he masters his craft. When he shows he is major league ready, then I want the Yanks to swoop in.
Question:
How come every article on the Sox mentions that they don’t want to pay a luxury tax?
Would Chaps contract not count? If he sign 5 years for 22.5, that is 4.5/yr. If the tax is $$ for $$ and this guy is a year or two away, that means Boston, who doesn’t want to pay a luxury tax will pay 9 this season and maybe next to have this kid in the minors.
Makes sense.
Jays ownership has more $$$ than you obviously realize and they will spend when the time is right and when the player is right.
A joke franchise? Boston lost for over 80 years straight hotshot. Good to see you can be mouthy now. Typical Sox fan.
Olney tweeted that clubs see him as a reliever more then a starter, I hope not that he would get signed and turn out to be a setup man or something.
One more thing on Chapman….he is insistant that he not pitch in relief. So no bully for this kid for NYY or Boston.
Plus, the Sox have super phenom, can’t miss superstar Casey Kelly. Just ask Theo about him. Does he want to pay that much $$$$ for a lesser prospect?
super phenom….and bigger prospect than chapman what world do you live in?
Lol. Just being a smartmouth jmits!!!!!!
As a non-Sox fan, I laugh at how the Sox speak of this kid.
But know this, If the Sox don’t get him, you can bet your last dollar guys will be on here talkng about how it wasn’t worth the risk, or money. LOL.
Jays should get him because it would be like have 2 first rounders, and make the loss of halladay hurt a little less, and they have extra $$$ from that trade as well. They need something if they plan on competing in that division any time soon
No surprise to see Houston out. That team needs all the help with any kind of young prospects it can get, yet this off season, wasted 20M on rubbish like Feliz and Lyon. NYY is a surprise also, they are usually in on top people. Boston still in? They are loaded in the lower minors with fireballers, Chapman probably wanting an MLB contract that will apply to the salary cap.. Just see no need for another, especially with bidding that could hit 20M? Lots of odd teams in and out.
The mets will sign him, especially since Bays 2010 salary will be 6.8mill the mets still have around 17mill-20mill to spend
Did you read the post? The Mets are out.
GO AA – he will not be in mlb next year – will start aa with either angels or hopefully jays – if he does well he will see aaa by mid year with potential to be sept call up or start aaa following year with chance on making roster – Jays depth at pitching is insane now only if they can get a SS
for those who dont follow Jays – gm alex is in hawaii on his honeymoon – started on the 2nd for one week so will end on the 9th – hmmmm will sign in 3 or 4 days… about the same time alex is back at his desk…
that is eerily convienant isnt it? lol
so he’s working WHILE on his honeymoon?
per Bob Elliotts twitter
“Jays GM expected back from Hawaiian honeymoon with one ear tanned — too busy on phone trying to get Chapman done for to both ears tanned
“
Lol, his wife must be very understanding of his job duties
Not that I think my Nats have any shot, but Rizzo has been oddly quiet since seeing Chapman pitch. Hell, he won’t even talk to Ladson about him.
hope its to the Marlins.. we could really use him over here
Chap’s gonna be an Angel. New York’s not spending any more, and even though their minor league system is extremely weak and over rated, they could use him. Boston made their bid, but they don’t need to go any higher, their system is lush with pitching prospects and have unlimited money like the Yankees. Plus Boston may or may not be limited by the luxery tax.
The reasons for Chapman going to Canada are speculative and false. Rest assured, if his family isn’t out of Cuba and in DR yet, they soon will be. The only reason the Jays ever could land him is money. But the Jays need offense more than pitching now, thy have lots of young pitching talent.
The Angels have a deep minor league system, full of pitching talent, but none with ace makings outside of a youngster named Fabio Mesa-Martinez. Even Trevor Reckling, a 19/20 year old stud who shut down AA is only going to be a #2-4 starter. The Angels have money to spend, have among the top 5 pitching coaches in all of baseball and have Kendry Morales who has taken Chap under his swing, worked out with him, mentored him and even got him to switch agents over to the Hendricks Brothers, Morales’ representation.
Unless a dark horse team swoops in, the Angels are the only clear favorite here.
If he signs with Toronto their rotation is set for the next 8 years.
Romero
Chapman
Drabek
Morrow
Rzepczynski/ Litsch
Yes I was exaggerating
i wouldnt be so quick to count out McGowan or Stewart or even Jenkins.
If all goes well I’m putting Chapman, Drabek and Morrow above Romero… Which would be awesome. Please no Litsch. He is a one-year wonder like Chacin was. Agree with Jenkins / zep being in the mix
Is Chapman major league ready? If not, at what level does he most likely start at?
vr, Xei
he starts in AA
Teams should be all over this guy. If the numbers floating around are close to what he’ll get, he’ll be an absolute steal. Even if we’re talking about a reliever, ala Neftali Perez of 2009 last year.
No… more like Kyle Farnsworth.
Obviously the reports have him throwing fast but what of his secondary pitches and control?
If teams like the Mets and Yanks have already conceded then I think there would be doubts on his readiness.
No… more like Kyle Farnsworth.
Obviously the reports have him throwing fast but what of his secondary pitches and control?
If teams like the Mets and Yanks have already conceded then I think there would be doubts on his readiness.
Honest opinon says jays will get him he will start in AA New hampshire,move up to AAA Las Vegas so I can watch him and heres a bold one he could possibly be a september call up.he will probibly take 5-6 years for like 24 mil.
I would love to see the Jays sign Chapman, they have a pretty good stockpile of pitchers, and everyone knows you can never have too much pitching. Trading some of their young pitchers to fill the SS and 3B holes is very likely. AA is a smart guy ,not like J.P., so I can see him pulling this one off.
Just Wondering..
If Chapman goes to Cuba, wouldn’t he be arrested?
and possibly worse…
wow. hope its the marlins
yankees have pulled out of the sweep stakes for the 10 th time. its done no hope for yankees get over it lol you cant sign everyone, its the jays or angels or marlins, thats it.
So the Marlins will throw money at a guy who has never proven anything at the Major League level but wont sign a young super star pitcher?
marlins are out Blue Jays are gonna get him i can tell aa is big on this guy what AA wants AA gets
From Bob Elliott’s twitter
twitter.com/elliottbaseball
Jays GM expected back from Hawaiian honeymoon with one ear tanned — too busy on phone trying to get Chapman done…..
From Bob Elliott’s twitter
twitter.com/elliottbaseball
Jays GM expected back from Hawaiian honeymoon with one ear tanned — too busy on phone trying to get Chapman done…..
maybe cubs got him
maybe cubs got him
Wonder why the Braves didnt try and get in on this. Chapman, Teheran, Vizcaino wow
money talks
money talks
Wonder why the Braves didnt try and get in on this. Chapman, Teheran, Vizcaino wow
I don’t see why the Jays would go after him.. why spend that money on a guy in the minors when you have holes to fill around the field? The Angels make sense, but if they Jays offer stupid money….
Because they have control of a high-ceiling arm for 6+ years and can then spin one of their other arms for a middle infield prospect? Jays aren’t competing for 3 years.. who cares who plays SS or 3B until then.
What if he even gets as good as Halladay? He’s still surrounded by a bunch of question marks.
What are you suggesting they do then exactly? Jays have plenty of picks in the upcoming draft, under the new GM they’ll do their best to sign them. Again, they aren’t competing for years so why not stockpile as many high-ceiling, long-controllable arms as possible? I’d love to see them sign Chapman for 5/21 over say Scutaro for 3/19; even if Chapman doesn’t pan out, it’s a risk worth taking for the Jays.
Jays already have a lot of pitchers. They would be burning money on this kid and his contract would be ending by the time they are anywhere near ready to compete.
They’re aiming for the future. They have money available that won’t be spent otherwise. They could drop a $10 million signing bonus on the kid and it wouldn’t effect the team they put on the field.
They’re aiming for the future. They have money available that won’t be spent otherwise. They could drop a $10 million signing bonus on the kid and it wouldn’t effect the team they put on the field.
Jays already have a lot of pitchers. They would be burning money on this kid and his contract would be ending by the time they are anywhere near ready to compete.
What are you suggesting they do then exactly? Jays have plenty of picks in the upcoming draft, under the new GM they’ll do their best to sign them. Again, they aren’t competing for years so why not stockpile as many high-ceiling, long-controllable arms as possible? I’d love to see them sign Chapman for 5/21 over say Scutaro for 3/19; even if Chapman doesn’t pan out, it’s a risk worth taking for the Jays.
by the time he becomes like halladay as you put it which i highly doubt, dont you think the propects we have or free agents we sign between then will be filling those questions marks?
by the time he becomes like halladay as you put it which i highly doubt, dont you think the propects we have or free agents we sign between then will be filling those questions marks?
What if he even gets as good as Halladay? He’s still surrounded by a bunch of question marks.
Because they have control of a high-ceiling arm for 6+ years and can then spin one of their other arms for a middle infield prospect? Jays aren’t competing for 3 years.. who cares who plays SS or 3B until then.
Why would they not go after him, with Chapman signed they can trade from the surplus of young pitchers they have to fill the SS and 3B holes. Pitching is gold and everybody wants more of it.
I don’t see why the Jays would go after him.. why spend that money on a guy in the minors when you have holes to fill around the field? The Angels make sense, but if they Jays offer stupid money….
you know even though 15 teams are interested in him he will hopefully do them proud who ever is going to sign expect a 20 games won season also strasburg[Nationals]but they both are going to make there teams proud also expect a 3yr contract worth 14$million to 20$million dollar contract okay.
so just because that someone is drafted first overall makes them an instant hit? well i guess you better tell Bryan Bullington, Luke Hochevar, Brian Wilson, and matt bush that huh? Strasburg is good..but so where all of those other guys..none are productive in the MLB and saying strasburg is gonna be a 20 game perennial winner is a stretch with how young Chapman and Strasburg are.im not saying they wont, im just saying your expectations are a little too high without him even playing hte minor league for a full season ( or half a season for that matter). now when (if) he flies threw the minor league system and blows away hitters with his 100mph heat, then you can say their that good.
2 of those guys I know for sure were over drafts.
which 2? just wondering
Matt Bush and Bryan Bullington
The difference in talent between Matt Bush in his draft year and Stephen Strasburg in his is staggering.
so just because that someone is drafted first overall makes them an instant hit? well i guess you better tell Bryan Bullington, Luke Hochevar, Brian Wilson, and matt bush that huh? Strasburg is good..but so where all of those other guys..none are productive in the MLB and saying strasburg is gonna be a 20 game perennial winner is a stretch with how young Chapman and Strasburg are.im not saying they wont, im just saying your expectations are a little too high without him even playing hte minor league for a full season ( or half a season for that matter). now when (if) he flies threw the minor league system and blows away hitters with his 100mph heat, then you can say their that good.
Never count out the Yankees.
They counted themselves out… or so it has been reported
They counted themselves out… or so it has been reported
the yankees counted themselves out, they ARE out, yankees wont get chapman, no pin stripes for chapman, no chance for yankees, how many ways does it need to be put for ppl to understand that?
That’s what I said.
Never count out the Yankees.
The Mariners have been making moves like gangbusters so I am not counting them out. I will not out the White Sox due to their past Cuban acquisitions. I will not count out the Red Sox just because they are the Red Sox. I personally see Chapman going to the Mariners though
I don’t understand why so many teams have backed out on him already? There must be something that turned a lot of clubs off, he may have control issues but he’s only 22 years old.
He’s a high cost and high risk investment. It’s not that surprising. It gotta think teams are at the point of saying he’s worth say $8M-$10M and the bidding is already twice that.
It’s just a hunch but I think whoever signs this guy will live to regret it, 21+ mill is too much for a guy who’s never been in MLB just because he throws hard which is the only thing I have heard about this guy.
well, according to some of the scouts on hand for his workout, his secondary pitches were mediocre at best, he’d need a year or two in the minors at least, and some felt he projected more as a relief pitcher than a starter. As much as the Yankees love left handed pitching, and this guy would cost only money, no players or even draft picks, the fact they’re not interested at what he’s going to cost, has got to be telling to some extent.
or maybe for once the yankees are content with what they have and dont feel like risking the money on pitcher who will need time in the minors when there goal is obviously to win NOW, cuz lets face it they can always buy what they need in the future once they start to lose.
I want the angels to sign him they need a good picher. I think he would be a good starter.
Chapman is an idiot if he doesn’t sign with the Marlins. Playing in South Florida would be such a perfect situation for him! There is absoluetely no pressure, he will have an opportunity to play on a winning team, and the South Florida community would support him. He would be like a rockstar if he did well. If he just follows the money, then he will just be known as another greedy athlete in it for the money. Im sorry but a 13 million contract is enough money for your first major league contract ! In my mind he should lose all of his credibility and any respect whatsoever if he signs with a team for the money. For example, If he signs with Toronto he will end up regretting it later. Come on Chapman dont let your money hungry agent control you! The question is, if Chapman does not sign with the Marlins what will they do with that money?
Why would he regret signing with the Jays? He would have the opportunity to grow and hopefully win side by side with great young pitchers like Kyle Drabek, Brett Cecil, Brandon Morrow, Zach Stewart and Chad Jenkins. All of these pitchers are young and project to be impact arms within the same time frame. He would also be a “rockstar” in the multicultural and ethnically diverse Toronto area.
If he signs with Toronto, you can expect his family to be welcomed here with the approval of the Cuban government within days of a deal getting done. I’m sure Beeston has some friends in immigration, and has made that known to Chapman and his agents (Beeston’s buddies represent the Cuban fireballer).
He has a chance to be the center of attention here, the ACE of the near future for a Jays team that is anchored by Aaron Hill, Adam Lind, Travis Snider and Brett Wallace.
This team is building to contend between 2011-2014, exactly when Chapman and the others should emerge as all-star caliber talent.
i think youd be the idiot not to take the most money you can, he may never even make it in the bigs why not get as much guaranteed money as you can? and the jays and angels r willing to give up 20 plus million and the marlins arent, so blame yur gm not chapman for doing what just about everyone else would.
No actually I the right person to blame is the owner who pockets revenue
sharing and tv money. Sorry you are both right im just a very frustrated and
agitated Marlins fan. Toronto does have terrific young pitchers and they
have an excellent young nucleus of players. Also its important to get the
most money you can get. You have to make a business decision as well.
would love to see the Marlins sign him out of nowhere even after “admitting defeat”.. GO FISH!
that train has left the station.
i still have hope.. a man can still dream haha
Would David Price be comparable to Chapman? Both LHP and Mid to high 90’s FB. Price landed a $5.6mm signing bonus and if Chapman signs for 20-25/6yrs = that is a breakdown of 4.16mm/yr. Not too bad for the #2 rated prospect in the world. Completely a calculated risk for any team that gets him. Yes it appears to be a bit high for a “rookie”, but that “rookie” is also in the free agency…
who cares who signs him right now.. they say hell need atleast def a year or 2 in the minors…so by the time hes at the major league level youll get at most 2 – 3 years out of him n hes so young, by the time hes back on the market hell be mid 20’s and everyone will have a better idea what kinda pitcher is, if he comes to the majors an dominates then everyone will go after him knowing what he can do n being mlb ready… i wouldnt want him right now if i was a team and get 2 yrs in the majors out of him id rather wait till hes developed
No, he won’t go onto the free market right away. He won’t be eligible for free agency again until he plays 6 full seasons in the majors. So if he signs a 5 year deal in which he plays 2 in the minors and 3 in the majors, the team that signs him still has him lock up at arbitration rates for 3 more years.
This is true unless they put in a clause like Iwamura did that didn’t allow his team to offer abritration at the end of his contract.
Good. Go to the Angels and stay out of the NL and the NL East alltogether.
Isn’t it wonderful that in the current MLB system, the big markets are the only ones with a realistic chance to sign the top international free agents?
*puke*
Not exactly:
07: Braves – Teheran
08: Athletics – Ynoa
09: Twins – Jean ‘Sano’
Those are some non-huge market teams getting the top international prospects.
Anyways, Chapman is more like a Japanese player coming over as he is older more developed than most int/FA with a fair amount of organized ball under his belt.
Angels make a TON of sense since they loss Lackey… Toronto’s not sure about this… Boston still have an offer on the table; do they are a player in Chapman sweepstakes?
Tim Brown tweets:
Angels source on Chapman: “Despite what you read, we’re not in that deep.”
Can I get a “That’s what she said” for the Tim Brown Tweet?
If this guy is good in the next 5 years he will get a real strong markt between Mets, Angels, Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, etc. when he is 25.
Chapman would be as I’ve said a few times, a great addition to the Angels. I think thats the team he benefits most. Question is if he wants to go across the country for me, considering all of his family, including his child, are still in Cuba.
Maybe Canada can let him bring his whole family with him
HAHAHAHA.
I love it. Jays fans are saying stuff thats so nonsensical, that Yankees fans and Sox fans are defending each other! Did you ever think you’d see the day?
I’m sorry but I didn’t really read the newest updates. Sorry Angels and Marlins fans. But it appears you are pretty much all but out. He wont accept less to go to Florida (which surprises me a bit) and I dunno how much I trust Yahoo sources as they write some sketchy stuff, but Brown is usually pretty on point.
Chap to Boston for 15.5 I think sounds more and more like its going to happen. Really, I’m not sure how I feel about this. I haven’t watched the guy pitch enough, just read alot about his repitoire. But if he “excites” farrell, I guess I should be pretty excited…
Blue Jays
I’m gonna believe Rosenthal before Brown, but at this point I have no clue who he will sign with.
I agree with you 100%
Jays
Angels
BoSox
It will be funnier to see the rantings, er, I mean postings of Sox fans after Chapman signs elsewhere. “his secondary stuff is suspect”..”too high of a risk”…”doesn’t fit in our rotation”…
The kid is a dynamite prospect, would only have Strasburg drafted ahead of him and is loaded with potential/ Does this guarantee success? No. far from it. But these teams spend millions and millions each year on bums, why not spend some of those millions on an A+ propect. Worst thing that happens is he is a bust and it is money not well spent.
Chapman is 21 correct? Talk is a 5 year deal. Does anyone know how his rights work as a FA as opposed to a draft pick? Will the Angels, Sox, Jays etc. control his 6th year as well in arb?
Sounds like a team will have this kid until 27 years old…..
Yes, standard service time rules still apply (unless they include a clause to let him go early, as bbxxj pointed out, but I can’t see any team being that dumb. Iwamura was an established player in Japan so it made sense to give him a clause like that; Chapman is not even ready for the majors).
So if he signs a five year deal, he still has to complete 6 full seasons playing in the MAJORS before he can be a free agent. For example, if he spends the first three seasons of that contract in the minors, he can be under the team’s control until age 30.
Thanks for the insight zeroes. I agree with you on all points and I don’t see a clause like that being in his contract. That would be silly.
Thats a great point! I’m not sure how arbitration would work for chap. Good question. Tim any insight?
I’ve been saying that all along just for the record. I’m not sure how I feel about the Sox signing him due to those exact factors. I’m just saying that I think they lead the running right now.
My percentages
Boston 35%
LA Angels 25%
Other Surprise team such as Nationals or Orioles 20%
Blue Jays 10% (maybe) once again I never said you guys are out, I said “I don’t see him going to the Blue Jays”
Marlins 10%
I don’t think that is very outrageous of a prediction… Once again: I hope the Jays do sign him. It really wouldn’t bother me a bit. Thats a lot of money to commit to someone who hasn’t proven anything yet. Yet you all act like I’ve said OMG HE’S GOING TO BOSTON. I LOVE THIS GUY… thats not the case. I think he’s an exciting prospect, but whether or not he’s worth the dollars has yet to be seen. His most likely destination is Boston due to money and the presence of people he would work well with, such as a spanish speaking catcher, Jose Iglesias, John Farrell (who’s hands down the best pitching coach in baseball) and the dollars they would be willing to offer.
The Jays have nothing but speculation to rely upon… I don’t get how Jays fans even put themselves as the favorites. Not saying that he has no shot of going there. Simply saying once again… “I don’t see it”
Hey guys Chapman has already sign, 25 mil-5 yrs with the Jays
Thats a lot of bang for unproven guy.
well considering it was reported it was gunna be around 21 mill for 4 years, 25 for 5 seems like a bit better of a deal, even tho i dont belive this mcqub guy , but wouldnt be surprised if the jays offered that they can afford it and obviously theyd rather have the 5 year deal then a 4 to allow for more minors time if necasary, plus being able to control him for 6 mlb seasons there after. so i guess its either jays or sox, if we are to believe the brown tweet, maybe above 21 mill was too rich for angels?
lol who says this?
its not true NY. I looked it up already. The only news in last hour is that the Angels are no longer really considering themselves contenders for Chapman. Google chapman under google news and select news in last hour. it would be announces SOMEWHERE, but its not.
I got my sources, Chapman 25 Mil. 5 years with the Jays.
Oh get over yourself. If you had real sources, other than the ones readily available on the web, in other words an insider, you wouldn’t be posting it on this board. That being said, I’m not real high on this guy. His control isn’t that good. But I do like what the Jays GM is doing, just don’t know about Nuke Laloosh.
LOL I got my sources too. My toilet told me he’s going to Milwaukee
“Chap to Boston for 15.5 I think sounds more and more like its going to happen.”
According to who? The voices in your head.
And I agree with K Man that the rantings of some of the fans of the teams who don’t sign Chapman are going to be pretty amusing.
As soon as Tim approves my link, I have a link from Rotoworld that the Angels are out. Marlins are out. Yanks are out. He’s not going to Canada, especially to a rebuilding team like the Jays. I think their involvement is more than likely overstated due to the relationship of Chap’s agents with the Jays… But I could be wrong.
Who else makes sense. Google Rotoworld chapman. You will pull up the same article I did.
Why not Canada, sure the Jays are rebuilding but doesn’t that mean a quicker route to the big league. Also worth considering hat the Jays have a reputation for developing young arms atm. Sure it’s only a maybe but it’s as good a place as any at this time if the money is there.
I’m not saying once again that he won’t. I’m simply saying I don’t see it happening. It wouldn’t make sense. The Jays are not likely to be strong contenders in the next few years. In 2 years they lost: Halladay, Burnett, Rios, Rolen, ect… Why put that kind of financial risk? Maybe he will go to the Jays as his second contract, but right now it doesn’t make much sense without some other major additions. Thats all i’m saying.
You keep saying things like “He’s not going to Canada” yet never give any reason. Cubans have a MUCH better relationship with Canada then they do with the US. Sure he’d be in Vegas this coming season, but once he makes the Jays in 2011, he can bring his girlfriend and new born son up to Toronto. He can’t do that if he’s playing in an American city.
Add that to the relationship his agents have with Jays and it’s definitely a possibility he signs with Toronto, regardless of what arrogant BoSox fans think. They just can’t handle the idea of their precious sox losing out to another division rival.
How many times do I have to say this… Take him! I would prefer to not commit dollars to someone who is not proven. His stuff is impressive, but his fastball is pretty flat, his secondary stuff is not impressive and his control is questionable. He’s like a Cuban Joba Chaimberlain. He may work out. He may not.
Thats not worth 15.5 mil to me. But keep hating on Boston…. for no reason.. lol. I haven’t said one bad thing about the Jays besides that Ricciardi screwed you guys really hard with some of his deals. You guys could have gotten a much bigger return on Halladay had he been dealt earlier. You are weighed down by the Vernon Wells contract. I just don’t give the Jays much higher than a 10% chance of signing him because it doesn’t make sense right now.
What is this “way better return” for Doc that you speak of??????Please Theo, tell us what the Jays lost.
“How many times do I have to say this… Take him! I would prefer to not commit dollars to someone who is not proven”
What did the Sox shell out for Dice-K? What were his MLB stats prior to the signing?
Matsuzaka had MUCH better control of his stuff, and was MLB ready immediately.
Completely different scenario… But for the record, if you can find links back to Matsuzaka my name was Santana/Beckett FTW and I was against it. Look back 🙂
I’m happy they did now, because hes on an affordable contract (8MM per season) and is the best #4 in baseball in my opinion. But still, its not like I was ok with them shelling out 100MM for him.
He’d likely be in New Hampshire actually.
“He’s not going to Canada”
This sox fan will do one of 2 things after he signs with the Jays:
1. Pretend like he never said this.
2. Dissapear from the thread
TIME OUT!Is this a Jays fan with a sense of humour?Thanks for the chuckle, loved it. Beckett-lackey…..is a clown. i can assure you this guy wouldn’t even sniff the humble pie, lt alone eat it. His site name includes one of the most ignorant, arrogant players in ALL of sports.
IF you want to call a Red Sox player arrogant… Its Pap… And I’d 100% agree with you. Beckett happens to be a very humble guy. I have met him and he is one of the biggest gentleman I’ve ever met.
You are talking about one of the great playoff pitchers of this era who’s been pitching and playing through injuries as an ace in the AL East for the majority of his career… I’d have a little more respect for the guy if I were you.
I didn’t realize having a close to 4 era almost every year qualified you as an ace. He had a good 2007, whoopdeedo. There goes the Red Sox clowns overrating Beckett again.
Beckett had a 3.8 Era through injuries and blisters and all kinds of stuff. He’s still a top 5 AL ace… And one of the great playoff pitchers when healthy. By your standards Webb is overrated too?
No, by my standards and by the standards of anyone who looks at stats to judge players, Beckett is lucky to be in the top 15. Greinke, Hernandez, Halladay, Verlander, Sabathia, Lee, Lackey, Peavy…I could go on but all of these are better than Beckett.
LOL once again. Your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I think the dollars dished out and the majority of people would disagree with you, but you are of course entitled to your opinion, but don’t say I undervalue other teams players when I clearly don’t. And you wouldn’t put lester on that list? You are a true hater
Not to mention Lee has been an ace for what… 2 years at 30?
Not saying I don’t like Lee. I do
FYI Santana/Beckett FTW here… I’ve never disappeared and when i’m wrong (such as with Mark Teixeira and Johan Santana) I say “Wow. I was wrong. I didn’t expect that.”
I’m not ruling out the Jays, I just don’t see it… You Jays fans have gotten so touchy since losing all of your good players with the exception of Lind and Hill…
No more Scutaro, No more Halladay, No more burnett, No more rios, No more rolen… You guys lost a lot. You are far from the 06 07 teams that won 80+ games. You will be lucky to win 70 this season. I’m just saying it as I see it…
Lets go over all the great players you list the Jays having lost:
Rios-put on waivers, only claimed by 1 team that openly regrets claiming him now. do you know his stats from last year?
Rolen-loved the guy, his glove, his heart, but a superstar? not really, not anymore, lol.
Burnett-a career .500 piotcher, 4.00+ era guy (sorry Yanks fans, but thems the facts! he does fit well with your rotation and clearly it works)
Scutaro-you mean the journeyman utility player that only got full time ab’s because the Jays stink?…the guy that had a career year at 34? that star?
Doc-no arguments. best pitcher in baseball hands down. even that arrogant prick Beckett will tell you Doc is the best.
So were these really superstar loses? You man up to your posts, so I am curious to hear how these guys are all stars.
At least you acknowledge Hill and Lind…you missed Snider, but that is ok.
Touchy Jays fans? Only in response to comments like “Jays lost superstar Scutaro, Rios……” you get my point.
Who cares how many games they win this year. Do you think AA was planning for ’10 when he dealt for Wallace, Drabek, D’Arnaud, Morrow…..?
Or are they building for a couple years down the road? You know, about the time Chapman will be ready to play?
Are you aware the Jays ownership has more $$$ than the Sox? Just wondering.
I call it as I see it. Maybe I am wrong and the Jays are playing for ’10.
2013-2015 when the Yankees 10 year and 8 year deals turn sour and Jeter/Posada/Rivera are gone. Thats when the Jays can step back into the picture. Once again, I’m calling it as I see it and I have not disrespected you or your opinion… I dunno why you hate on me… I’ve agreed with you on most of your points.
The Sox are not falling off anytime soon. They have all their players locked down affordably and had no contract over 15MM a year until they signed Lackey. Theo’s done a great job… I don’t understand your hatred for the Sox.
If you listen to guys like Harold Reynolds (and I do) Scutaro was never given a shot in Toronto. He was the utility guy until they moved pieces. He doesn’t have to be a “superstar”… I simply said you lost some of your good core players.
The Orioles and Jays may well be the top two teams again at the middle/end of this decade, but you have to understand having money and spending it are two different things. ARE YOU AWARE, that the Nationals are the richest team in baseball… It took them years to start spending.
I’d be shocked if John Henry is not on the top 5 richest owners along with the Steinbrenners and Lerner… I would like to see a link that says the Jays have money they aren’t spending that is not from like BleacherReport or some other blogging site. Last I heard, they had to reduce payroll because they DON’T have money. But once again, I could be wrong. And I will eat my words if I am.
Dude, I don’t hate on you. I do despise the Sox though.”If you listen to guys like Harold Reynolds (and I do) Scutaro was never given a shot in Toronto. He was the utility guy until they moved pieces. He doesn’t have to be a “superstar”… I simply said you lost some of your good core players”Scoots was getting regular ab’s in his first season as a Jay due to injuries, and htey made him basically a full time player after that. Yes he did play multi positions for the Jays year 1, but they also made him a starting ss and leadoff hitter. This “never given a chance” that you and Harry speak of wa when Scoots was with Oakland. I like Sccots alot as a player. But 34 year olds that have a career year aren’t stars in the making. I wish him well every sigle game…As long as the Sox lose.Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to cheer for the Yanks when I despise them almost as much as the Sox? It sickens me!GO PHILLIES!!!!!!!!!!!!Roy Halladay (assuming no burst appendix or broken shin):24 wins, 2.35 era, 210 k’s, 8 cg’s, 4 so’s.That dude is going to kill in the DH-less NL.
I agree with you. Burnett had a few very strong seasons for the Jays. His stats (hate to admit it) are skewed by a few TERRIBLE starts. Even last year, I believe he had 20+ QS. Sure his end season stats sucked and he sucked vs Boston last year, but to say Burnett is not a star is simply not true. He’s the 2nd or 3rd best number 2 in the AL in my opinion. His inconsistancies I can’t argue. Scutaro is a great roleplayer and Rios started struggling recently, but 06-07 (I don’t have access to his stats atm) which are the years you speak of for when the Jays won 80-85 games, he performed very well if I remember and was considered a budding star. Rolen was simply injured in his time as a Jay, but was always a threat with his bat AND glove… He’s still a very good 3b when healthy.
To say those guys aren’t losses is something I strongly disagree with you on. Scutaro is the only one who was never a star, and the sox signed him affordably as a stopgap to iglesias who’s compared to ozzie with his glove and could become a solid .280 major league hitter.
I’ve agreed with most of what you have said, which is why I’m shocked by your animosity toward me…
What are you talking about? Burnett had 1 decent year with the Jays and even then it wasn’t amazing. I can say it, he’s not a star Shaun Marcum is much better than AJ is.
Ouch. I think some yankees fans will strongly disagree with you there, but imma leave this one alone
Why do you despise the Sox? I have no animosity toward the Jays… In fact until some of these silly comparisons, I liked the Jays and their fans… But reality needs to set in for you guys. The days of Joe Carter are over and unless you start spending this money you have, you will not contend any time soon. That’s been my main point all along.
“I’m not ruling out the Jays”
Then what does “he’s not going to Canada” mean?
By saying that (which you did above) you’re ruling out the Jays.
Other then Doc we hav not lost “great players”. Rolen was great before he came to Toronto, Scutaro had ONE good season in a contract year. Losing Rios was a blessing (can’t believe someone took that contract) and AJ is a .500 pitcher
ypu rule out the jays before anything has been said? shame on you.
not ruling them out. I just don’t see it grow… I’m perfectly fine with him going to toronto. Not to be mean, but its one less player I have to worry about going to a contending team.
its not like youll need to worry about the jays next year lol everyone knows that, but for years to come could be different altogether not necasarily with chapman either, tho that would surely help.
So clever. If you were worried about the Jays in ’10 you are as bright as we think. How soon Sox fans forget.
Worry about the Sox battle for the wildcard this season. That should keep you occupied for quite a while.
Worry about the Sox not winning a ‘clean’ WS Title for another 80+ years.
Don’t worry about the ’10 Jays.
We have nothing to worry about with the wild card. Tigers are a dead team (for the most part, though their hitting is still very good), Twins are good and will win that division.
Angels are falling off slowly but surely as they shed their high payroll older players and try to re-establish a young core, which is the right thing for them to do. Mariners will be tough to beat in that division. None of them will really compete the way the Sox will for the wild card. I’m not worried. And Sox may well win the division… The Yankees outfield is one of the weakest in baseball. Gardner and Swisher are backups on most teams… They don’t have any star outfielders coming up now that they moved Austin Jackson…
IF they resign Damon, that would put them in a much better spot. But I think they are waiting on the set of stars that become available next year.
its okay beckett_lackey… we all kno that you would love to see this guy in a red sox uniform. just speak your mind and stop trying to cover up what you are saying. i see a lot of guys on here that are totally against you. but one thing is for sure no one on the planet except aroldis chapman and hes reps really kno what may happen. only time will tell .
I don’t. We have enough strong pitchers. I’m arguing that I think he will… Casey Kelly, Michael Bowden, Junichi Tazawa, Daniel Bard… More ready is Buchholz… We have plenty of young pitching. I’d prefer commiting 20MM to a bat at the deadline honestly.
And once again, i’m not necessarily for this. I’m just saying it makes sense. He could well turn out like Farnsworth….
Of course you are saying that. He isn’t going to the Sox, so he really isnt that good a prospect.
And I gotta go for about 20-30, but I’ll be back. We can continue this discussion then.
I assume it’s the same report that says they “aren’t in deep” on Chapman, which could mean anything at this point.
I think the reality is that no one knows where he’s going to sign at this point. I wouldn’t be shocked if some complete mystery team like the White Sox or Nationals or someone signs him. (Not saying that will happen, just that it wouldn’t surprise me that much).
The other Sox, of the Chi-Town variety could be a team that swoops in late to get his kid. They have had success with a Cuban defector recently where they paid the loot for him. That Rios waiver pickup may handcuff them a bit, but an interesting darkhorse.
Strasburg-Chapman 1-2…hmmm, all things working out, that would be a silly 1-2 punch in a couple of years…
Nats too. That would be one HELL of a 1-2 punch if they both work out.
I agree K Man. I give a 20% chance that another team swoops in last minute and surprises everyone, including Chapman with a nice offer. Wouldn’t shock me if it were the ChiSox, or even the Brewers or Dodgers.
The Dodgers would be a very good fit considering their strong core of young pitchers. So would the Giants, but I think they are out of it already if i remember right.
Angels are out
rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingne…
I think that this report is more in reply to rosenthals tweet that they were trying like crazy to sign him. I’m sure they are still in the running.
I don’t disagree with you. But I think the chances have fallen dramatically since they don’t seem like they are ready to throw a 20 million offer in his direction.
Wow…talk about reading comprehension fail…since when does “not in deep” mean “we’re out”.
BTW…have fun with Lackey and his hissy fits! 🙂
“Aren’t Deep” does not = not interested any more. Its probably like they are not in the stages of closing a deal.
I hear 22.5 for 5, Jays or Angels.Thanks for the clarification zeroes! Having such control over a young guy with his potential makes the money being paid seem like less of a risk.1-1.5 year teaching and building the arm and then control until he 28…This could really turn out great for some team. Maybe not, but like I have said before, teams waste money all the time, every year. Gamble here seems worth it.Funny to hear a Yanks fan say 25 mill is too much money….
LOL I agree with you on all points K.
to those who think this.. why would the Jays not make sense? theyre rebuilding, and? Chapman is 22 yes? a prospect who would have to start in the minors anyway.
i think the Jays make great sense.
The Jays would not reap any benefits from this until the back 2 years is the point I think people are making. And could 20 mil be spent better by this rebuilding team? I think so. But we are all entitled to our opinions.
If chap does work out as well as many hope, the Jays will not really be able to extend his contract past that last arbitration year. Its a big risk for the Jays that I don’t see being worth it for a rebuilding franchise. I think thats all anyone is saying. Just to clarify 🙂
when do you think the Jays can actually start contending? they have some great young pitching just about ready. 2010 i think the Jays are going to be bad. 2011 id like to see the younger players making more of an impact. then 2012 i think the Jays could be right there with the younger players and if there are need pieces thats when the team can spend the money to add a free agent(or free agentS) to fill in to make them a complete team.
if Chapman is 22 now and starts 2010 in AAA. 2011 in AAA with a mid season call up? 2012 ready to make a serious impact?
My man “zeroes” clarifies this earlier…The team that signs Chap will get 6 years MLB control…lets assume Jays since you clearly state they won’t reap any real benefit from a signing like this…1-2 years in the minors, he is 22-23ish. The Jays then control his rights for the next 6 years…..28-29…Assuming again the Jays CAN’T extend past arb, they would be letting a 30 year old pitcher walk.What better piece to a puzzle for a building franchise (not re-building) than a high end pitching prospect that hits 100 on the gun with an immature and not fully trainned or coached arm?Maybe they shoudl have spent it on Rios and Scoots right?
They have 1 more year. They’d be letting him go at 27-28. But I understand your maths not good.
if the Jays use all three of Chapman’s option years, he would be under contract to them until 2018. Chapman would be what at that point? 29?
I think this makes a ton of sense for the Blue Jays.
IF they use all 3. You don’t think chapman would have a clause not allowing that given his potential?
I’ve never heard of a clause like that before. Have any other players had that?
If not, I doubt it. Chapman will be getting his money whether he’s in the minors or majors.
These “clauses” are new concepts to MLB. New ones come out every year, like Lackey’s this year.
rogers(blue jays owners) has said that when needed the budget could go up to 120 or even 150 when they start showing signs of competing, so your argument that jays couldnt sign him past arb is uneducated. they reason they have been cutting costs is to get younger and more competitive in the long run, and so that when time comes when players develope they have tons of room to resign guys as well as go after free agents if need be. this is FACT not speculation. so signing chapman is not even a high risk for the jays at 5 6 mill a season? its peanuts in the gran scheme of things specially with there payroll around 60 mill right now and 10 more million coming off next years books (bj ryans contract) and overbays 7 million as well coming off, so in reality this move makes perfect sense.
John henrys been saying for years we COULD, but until that strong core was developed we DIDN’T. That’s my point
All an agent has to do is mention a little white lie and say something like “Angels” to get Boston or Yankees or whoever else to kick in an extra perk, 1M, or whatever.
If it’s 22.5/5 years, i’m surprise that the Red Sox are not in this derby…
Maybe the Sox are thinking more in the now. While they (BSox) have a great record developing pitchers, maybe it is the fact that he needs time to reach the bigs and the Sox are spending to win now, Also, the farm seems pretty stocked so maybe they view it as less of a need and more of a luxury
Would his contract count against the cap if he is in the minors?
If the Sox are up angainst the luxury tax and this contract counts this could be another reason.
Or, the Sox swoop in and pull a Yankees on the Jays/Angels….
The Sox will not reach their potential until about 2012 when Buchholz reaches his prime and guys like Kelly, Iglesias, Westmoreland ect. move up to the majors. They ARE spending to COMPETE now with the Yankees. They can’t rely on that the Yanks wont spend heavy on guys like Crawford and Mauer next year, so they are taking proper precautions to make sure that they will stay competitive regardless. That’s the key point here.
Also they can afford a bit more this year considering 50 mil or so comes off the books next year (I believe 48 to be exact)
TIME OUT….again.”the Sox will not reach their ‘potential’ till 2012? So they have an aging roster at about 175 million right now to just tie them over for 3 years?Beckett (assuming they keep him) and Lackey will be better in 3 years than now?Every Sox prospect is can’t miss? They must be if this team is still 3 years away from reaching their potential. Come on man, there is no way you are serious. according to your logic, they should win the WS every year starting in 2012…You clearly state they are a 100% lock for the wildcard, “if not the division title”….So you are tryng to tell readers that a perennial contender is nowhere near their potential….You know what, you should be banned from bragging about the Sox till they win something on the LEVEL.
You should just give up on this guy. I think he actually he believes he knows a smidgen about baseball which is clearly not the case. Just another Boston homer idiot.
I’m not surprised. Theo prefers low risk high gain. This is a high gain, but a high risk too. But I think they are in the running considering they have not pulled the 15.5 off the table. I don’t see them going 20+. It depends on what Chapman decides is important to him and how much more he gets offered from another team.
I see him going where he thinks he can succeed and where the money is. Hence why I put Boston and Anaheim as the frontrunners followed by a surprise team, followed by the Jays and Marlins.
I was really hoping the A’s sign him. They have a long history of success in turning their minor league pitching prospects into major league pitchers. He knows that, right?
He would be a good move for the A’s. I tend to agree with you John. Not sure they want to commit the dollars tho.
The second he signs with the Jays all we’ll hear from Sox fans is how flawed he is. Their arrogance is astounding. Can’t handle being outbid by a division rival
You are dead right…if he was going to them or the Hankies he would be “flawed”, or the signing would be “wasted money”. This signing would make sense for a team that was rebuilding, like the Jays or any other team. It is just an expensive risk that may or may not pan out
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Actually, while I agree with you, I will tell you that I’ll be one fan who still believes this guy will be a great pitcher (one reason I was worried if there was any possibility he would go to new york). I would like to see the Sox sign him, even with their pitching already pretty stacked (could definitely always get better…the only problem is finding where to put him), and I think he will still be a good pitcher even with the Jays. I personally have no beef with Toronto…if somehow it was a race between the Sox and the Jays I’d be pumped! 😀 But anyway you’re right, and I just wanted to let you know that I’ll try not to conform to that school of thought (at least not on this signing ;))!
the Yankees don’t seem to be big players this year…young pitching with this much upside…i know Chapman is unproven talent and that is risky but it seems like they would go after him especially since they traded away some of their pitching this off season…
Yanks could be sitting tight till next year. Some really expensive, high end guys available. That and the fact that they are already fav’s to win it all again this year.
thefan 590 just reported that the red sox offered chapman a 5yr, $27m contract . Things might be heating up!
Typical…Yanks and Sox are not happy unless they can grab every potential good player with their unending supply of cash…it must be nice
Daren Millard just said that the Jays won’t match that and that they are out . I’ll believe it when roto or espn say the same.
darren millard does hockey lol
He did not. I’m listening to HockeyCentral as well.
does lieing make you happy? why da f would daren millard even talk about baseball ? stop spreading this obviously false rumour . if the red sox offered him that im sure that it would of been reported in many other places other than the fan 590.
27.5 million for the Sox.
Can’t wait to see what “Beckett_Lackey….says to that. He has done nothing but belittle this guys potential, talk of how he is “high risk” and how “theo isn’t into high risk”.
If 590 is on their game and correct, that stinks.
Chapman will do great things in Boston because Varitek and Martinez are on the major league club, don’t worry.
Variteka dn Martinez have absolulty nothing to do with it. Chapman won’t be in teh Majors this season, he won’t be playing with those guys. He’ll start in AA, and max out at AAA depending on how he’s progressing
I know.. go read LeckettBeckettIdiot’s post history to understand my comment.
Don’t forget, Varitek is probably learning spanish as we speak. After all, how is Chapman supposed to pitch to a guy that speaks a different language? They may have to ask VMart to go down to AA so that Aroldis can develop.
If the amount is right, that’s an agressive offer…
its not true lol , darren millard does hockey, its a hockey show right now, im watching it right now nothing was even said about baseball let alone chapman.
Yeah. The 27.5 million dollar offer is made up. It was not mentioned on The Fan 590.
It’s a stupid hockey show. The Jays could probably trade for ARod and it wouldn’t be talked about until 2pm.
Millard is a bit of a hockey jackass! LOL.But to be fair, only 2 teams would let their ego’s get involved and outbid another team regardless of cost.AA seems to be the most secretive man on the planet, so getting info from inside the Jays camp isn’t easy.If the Jays or Angels of Marlin offered 25, I could see the Sox going higher. I doubt Theo has any interest in seeing this guy pitch against the Sox for year to come so why not try to be like big brother Yanks and BUY BUY BUY.Plus the Sox are up against it to win a”clean” WS Title. They would pay anything for fans of the game, students of the game, the media, former players and current players to see them win one cleanly.
I may be wrong… I have a good source telling me that the Jays are currently in Florida working out the terms of a 5 year deal with Chapman’s agent… He will be publishing his article for the Boston Herald shortly.I’m shocked, but grats to Jays fans.
He is unsure of the dollar amounts at this time, but speculates its around 20.5MM.
Looks like your “He’s not going to Canada” theory is out the window.
Of course that theory was based on absolutly nothing more then America arrogance
lol funny, but obviously he means chapman. only riccardi would sign his own team to a 5 year deal lmao
and yes. I immediately corrected my mistype. Jays signing Chapman for around 20.5 is what I meant. No word over whether or not this has gone through and its of course pending a physical.
LOL you Canadiens are supertouchy…
Even when someone compliments you are congratulates you, you feel the need to talk down to them and then say Americans are arrogant? Look at yourself!
I’m Canadian, and yeah. We are defensive sometimes, it’s a valid criticism.
I think it’s because Canadians, in general, know a lot about what’s going on in the States but Americans (generally speaking) can be very unfamiliar with Canada. I mean, it’s kind of bound to happen, I guess, since the US has 300 million people, while Canada has 30 million. But still – you can see why we get a little weird sometimes.
I love Canada. I have friends and family there. But truth be told, if I want hockey advice I’ll ask a canadien. If you want baseball advice its Americas pastime for a reason. Speaking of Hockey, I’m from NJ so LET’S GO DEVILS! Heh 🙂
lol no offense, but who would ask you for baseball advice?
I am fairly close with Jon Heyman. We have an open line of communication between us and he has helped me on multiple occasions as well as doing multiple interviews for my blog. He’s a gentleman.
I have multiple sources from the new york times, who share the building with my lawfirm.
And I have a few friends at the Boston Herald who I turn to quite often who I will not name at this time.
And just FYI, Fehr was a client of my fathers financial consulting firm for many years. I have many sources through those connections
Really? All I see you doing is overvaluing all your players while knowing nothing about any other teams.
I haven’t said a thing bad about anyone. Please pass the pipe… I simply said beckett is great and burnett is definitely a star… Neither of those mean anything bad about anyone. I’ve done nothing but compliment guys like hill and lind. Please cite where I bash anyone, happy to correct myself
In fact, I spoke highly of every player. If anything I’ve overvalued other teams players to not piss people off…
You are undervaluing the Red Sox top pitching staff in baseball. You’d be a food to argue that point. Yanks are up there too. When the Jays are there and the Orioles are there, they will receive compliments too.
Oh please. The amount of baseball knowledge you have is not affected by what side of the border you’re on. Do you think something magically changes on the two hour drive from Toronto to Buffalo? There’s a lot of Canadian baseball fans. Most of my friends prefer baseball or basketball to hockey.
Anyway. Who cares. Back to Chapman.
Lol. It was kind of a joke… But not entirely. Baseball is a great sport that the entire world appreciates and adores. No doubt 🙂
TSN.ca is awesome hockey info by the way. The only site that predicted the Devils would rock this year and put them in the top 10 of NHL teams. 🙂
You guys know your stuff!
Talk down to you? Who’s being ‘supertouchy” now?
You keep avoiding the question though, what was your “he’s not going to Canada” theory based on? You’ve had no explanation, which points to it’s origin being in arrogance because “no one would want to go to Canada if they can go to the US”
No no no! Not what I meant at all! I just meant how many cubans are there in toronto? Also the weather could cause problems for him, though bostons not MUCH warmer… Nothing to do with america vs canada. Sorry. If I phrased that wrong it was not what I meant. I got a lotta love for Canada. Friends and family there 🙂
ok, thanks for clearing that up.
I disagree though that weather would be a problem, for one he’s be spending most of the year in the Las Vegas heat, as well as the fact that he’d be pitching for a team who’s home games are indoors.
Also Toronto has a heck of a lot more Cubans then Boston (and most other US cities) do to the political relationship between the two countries.
You’d be surprised by the hispanic population in boston. Its growing quickly. Not sure on the cuban %. I’d have to get back to you on that one
Jays play in a dome that doesn’t usually open unti lit’s 70 of your American degrees so weather is irrelevant for Chapman. if anything, it’s worse for him in Boston.
But you’re right, not many Cubans here.
True. I do forget about the retractable dome in toronto. Strong point
you want to poll your theory in any country and see who is known as arrogant? I got a sneaky feeling it isn’t Canada.
I didn’t say arrogant. I said supertouchy
This is a baseball site tho. Let’s try to focus on the topic at hand shall we?
Settle down, man.
That’s new about the Jays going in Florida hit the rumours mill one week ago. Chapman was suppose to hold a ” private ” work out for a couple of teams. 20.5 millions? I doubt that the Red Sox who already offered 15 millions will accept to lose Chapman for 5 millions or so.
The Sox don’t want to commit any more money in 2010 before the trade deadline. They tend to stick to their figures. They lost out on Teix over a few mil. They have lost out on other more established players than chapman over a few mil. While this surprises me that he’s headed to toronto more than likely, it doesn’t surprise me the Sox haven’t upped their bid. They stick to their guns.
They have plenty of young arms and I’m actually happy to see them not commit to chap
They didn’t want to spend more money after the cameron signing then: surprise, surprise, Good’ol Adrian is coming to town. Since when the Sox are not willing to spend when they see that a good talent is available? They already put 15 millions on the table and to say that their not willing to ” pony up ” a little bit is far fetched at best. Actually, we have no clue if the Sox have raised their offer or not as we had no clue that they would signed Lackey until we learned that he was in Boston for a physical…
Very true that they keep things private in the sox front office, however a commitment of that kind would have the Sox over the Luxury Tax threshold by a lot and would add to what they’d pay in luxory tax. Not saying they won’t make more moves, but I think Theo has given the impression he will wait for the deadline
$5m may not be much in the grand scheme of things but it would represent an increase of their offer of 33%. If Boston really believes that he is a $15m pitcher, going 33% above his expected value is a steep price to pay.
I don’t think that the salary of a AAA pitcher will count against the luxary tax. There’s no way Chapman will start on a regualr MLB this year. The Sox have a TON of money who come out of their book, next year.
Wow. I hope you’re right Beckett_Lackey…
How much do you trust this source?
I trust him… However, he was wrong about Bay not signing with the Mets… So we’ll see within the next 12 hours.
care to share that source
I can’t at this time as he is a reader of MLBTR. He was wrong about bay. That should be enough for you to narrow it down. As soon as his article is done, ill link it.
Peter Gammons, on a chat at Boston.com said teams were concerned about Chapman’s emotional makeup, that he’d been called the Cuban John Rocker. FWIW of course. LOL.
They should worry about Papelbon’s emotional makeup. His mouth run faster ( 97 mph ) then the last heater he thrown his last game ( 94 mph )…
sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=480509…
Boston still very much in on Chapman (shocker)
Maybe the Blue Jays will pull a ” Yankees ” and offer 30 millions to chapman… Who knows? 🙂
Hate to hate on Gordon Edes… but he was wrong about Beltre… and has yet to come up with anything of substance since joining ESPN’s team.
Once again, I like him as a person and he is a good writer. But I wouldn’t take his word on much right now. He said “No chance Boston signs Beltre.” Clearly, that was not correct. He shares the talent for making up stories with Buster Olney.
Sylverman from the Herald was worst ,quoting a source: Not a front-runner, not in the mix at all. 3 hours later, Beltre was a Red Sox…
I did not read that article, so I can’t comment. However I do remember hearing something about that. I have said my source was wrong about Bay. No one’s perfect.
EDIT: Oops guess the other post got in
How long before the media christens him “A-Chap”?
Ok, so if the Sox do sign Chapman(not saying they will), does this put them in a position to move some of their AA-AAA pitching for a corner bat or another outfielder for when Nancy Drew gets hurt again?
i think the red sox are just sticking their noses in just to make it harder for fellow american league teams to acquire him. they are helping to increase the offers the blue jays or the angels or any other teams are going to make so that the whole idea of signing a player of his status just sounds stupid. juss what i believe . i kno its lame.
Hmmm… Chapman will not have an impact before 2 years at the very least. I failed to see why the Red Sox would raise the ante for preveting someone to be a threat… The Sox already made the deal harder for some team by throwing 15 millions… I don’t think the Sox are there for the shake of it…
your correct but a threat is a threat no matter how long it takes for it to take effect. the red sox gave chapman an offer that they were comfortable with, 15 mil. now its clear that he wants a lot more. possibly 7-8 million more. i dont see the red sox as a fit for the red sox because he wants to be the star of the show. there is too much talent already in boston so hes ability to throw 100mph wouldnt seem as impressive like it would in some other not so contending team. he also wants to make it to the big leagues as early as possible. if he signs with the red sox its almost guaranteed that the only place where chapman will see himself playing in the majors this coming season is mlb 2k10 on his ps3. in conclusion they dont need him , but they also dont want someone they face many times during the season to have him either.
I thought the Red Sox were trying to avoid the luxury tax?
Too late lol.
But yes, if they can move Mike Lowell before the season even if it means eating more than a few mil, they will do it to keep themselves right around the 170 mark. If they can lose 3-5 mil off their payroll, they could be in line for only about 250-500k luxory tax. Keep in mind its 20% of the total above the 170 mark if i’m not mistaken.
I think the only way the Sox get Chapman is if he is willing to accept a minor league deal with a guarantee to be in MLB by a certain time. This keeps him off the 40 and avoids the Luxury Tax, but Chapman still gets his dough and a time frame for him to be in the majors.
In other words, highly unlikely
yankees will get him if they want him.
One would tend to believe that. Yes.
Disagree with you on that one. Yankees are saving for next offseason. What they have is strong enough to compete for the division and puts them or the Sox as clear favorites for the wild card (barring the Angels making some last minute moves). I think they wouldn’t make a move this year even if they do want him.
Not to mention they have had plenty of problems developing pitchers (such as Chaimberlain and Farnsworth) with great fastballs, but control problems.
any team can get him if they wanted. just a matter of who is willing to take the risk and put their job in the hands of a rookie.
Is this another one of those Santana situations where the Red Sox and Yankees hang around, just to make sure the other doesn’t get the guy, not caring if somebody else gets him, just as long as it’s not their chief rival?
Funny how when the yanks do something, everyone cries how bad for baseball it is.But no one says a thing about the redsox. They already had a strong rotation, then sign Lackey to the highest paid deal for a pitcher in this years market. They spend on Scutaro, they spend on Beltre, they spend on Cameron, they trade for Bill Hall, they are probably high bidder on Chapman- they are just as bad as the Yankees are. But if Yanks had signed Chap, everyone would be screaming how bad for baseball this is. Why isnt it just as bad for Boston to get him? They have all of these quaility young arms- wouldnt it better for the sport if someone like Toronto or Florida got him?But Boston has ridiculous amounts of $$ to soend. They cry that the Yankees outspend everyone and they cant compete- only problem is they have the $$ to spend- they just choose to pocket some of that; however, this season, they are doing a pretty good job of spending. I’d say they, and their fans, should keep their mouths shut about yankee spending.
the truth is everyone hates it wen another team signs a good player. the conclusion that the yankees are hated is because they are always no matter what a huge threat to sign any player with ridiculous amount of money. in a school , the yankees are the rich kids who see something someone has, that everyone likes, and ask their parents for money and gets it instantly. once the kid gets what he wants , its not cool anymore in the eyes of everyone else. do u see where the hate is coming from ? if you answer jealousy then you are correct my friend.
I understand why people hate the Yanks.
My only point is that this off season, Boston is acting a lot like the yanks and no one seems to care.
If the Yanks get the hate, Boston should as well.
Not to defend the Red Sox too much, as they have increased payroll significantly, there are several differences to note between Boston and New York, particularly in who was signed and the length/value of the contracts. Boston has signed Beltre to a 1 year, $9M contract, and Cameron and Scutaro to 2 year deals for $15.5M and $12.5M deals, respectively. All but $1M-$2M of Hall’s contract is being paid by the Mariners, and he was traded for anyway, and frankly I don’t see him as a big factor here, he’s a backup. As far as we know the Red Sox also aren’t the high bidders on Chapman either, that’s just an assumption you made. The only large contract the Red Sox signed recently, in terms of dollars or years was to Lackey, who got Burnett’s deal of 5 years, $82.5M.
On the other hand, the Yankees had acquired, AJ Burnett, CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira, Javier Vazquez, and Curtis Granderson (if you’re counting trades).
I agree, the Yankees and Red Sox are both big spenders, but I don’t think saying one is the same as the other is accurate. It’s comparing apples to oranges.
exactly what I just wrote. Same feelings.
I don’t think the hatred for the Yanks is their payroll. My personal problem with the way they conduct business is that they give out these ridiculous contracts and throw money around. The Sox have 1 contract of 15MM plus which is just the 2nd contract of its kind in the history of the franchise. The difference is that the Yanks have like 6-7 current players making 15MM+ and offers like those exclude other teams from even being in the running for the players.
Once again. Just my opinion and others are entitled to theirs. I don’t want to start a war over this.
Its more like comparing duschebags to loudmouths
NESN seems to reinforce my source from Boston Herald… at least in the dollars of the contract. This is from yesterday, but I didn’t see it until just now.”The Angels and Blue Jays appear to be the favorites, with a source telling the newspaper that the clubs have each offered Chapman about $21 million.”
Still unclear on the source, or my sources source so to speak. But we will see what comes of it.
Still unclear on the source, or my sources source so to speakYou’re the ” Eklund ” of this site. A source from a source who made it up from an imaginary source in his head… That’s a lot of re- ” source ” lol
As I keep saying. I will not betray my sources trust. However, when the article is released this evening, I will be happy to tell you my source :-). Fair enough?
I won’t make you ” break ” the source secret BUT i highly doubt that the Jays are the front-runner. If so, that will be a big change in their ” philosophy “. Even with Chapman, The Jays have no chance againts the Yanks and the Sox. Signing Chapman would be an excellent PR move but won’t make they playoffs bond…
I couldn’t agree with you more Latrappe. Read my comments up until I spoke with my source. I said I’d be shocked if there was a 10% chance of him becoming a Jay… Couldn’t agree more… Makes no sense for the franchise and once again IN MY OPINION, would be a bad move for the team. However, I don’t particularly want him in Boston with the depth of our pitching talent. Hope that clarifies things for you.
However, if you are an insider with ESPN, stay up to date with them… They seem to be saying Boston is making a last minute effort to sign the lefty… we do need more lefties, but I don’t think this guys the answer regardless of his ridiculous fastball.
How does this break with the Jays “philosophy”? Do you think their philosophy is to concede defeat and not ever bother trying to compete? Signing Chapman won’t make ANY team playoff bound this year. He’s not ready by most accounts. Meanwhile, the Jays are stockpiling as much pre-arbitration and “close-to-major-league-ready” talent as they can so they can at least have a shot in a few years. Chapman fits that timeframe perfectly. The only way they’ll ever have a shot is to gamble on some high-upside talent.
Agreed completely.
explain to me how its a change in philosophy for a team stocking up on prospects to try to get a highly regarded prospect?
Baltimore sun has just reported that the Orioles are now out on chapman… His choices are slowly getting slimmer, with the Jays really starting to look like the only option. The Sox would shock me to offer more than the 15.5 they have already. But Lackey was a big surprise to me as well, so we shall see. I still stand by my buddy at the Herald who says the Jays are with his agent hammering out a deal for about 20.5MM.
Only update that I have is that Chapman apparantly would like a no-trade clause added to his contract. I find it hard to believe that anyone will give him this. But weirder things have happened. He certainly won’t get it from Boston.
They could easily be in the running for Chapman with the 20 mil they overspent on Lackey
Overspent? Hardly. First of all the team protection clause is amazing on his contract, and you’d be crazy to think he couldn’t get it from another team.
And in that case, burnett is ridiculously overpaid
And as I speak, news from ESPNBoston states that the Red Sox have made an “eleveth hour” call to Chapman’s agent. Wow! What a weird negotiation process… This has me wondering… what the heck is going on? I’m going to have to give my source a call and see if he has heard anything of this nature. I will update as soon as I hear something.
You’re a clown. It’s one thing to make up nonsense and drivel, another entirely to pretend like you’re in the know.
You really need to stop talking as if you have the slightest clue. You lack WAAYY too much knowledge on anything to have a “source” or “good sources”. Stop acting like Ken Rosenthal lite and spouting off your great, knowledgable opinion to everyone on here. It’s not hard to see what a huge idiot you are.
Lol… You are so arrogant its unbelievable
You losers with ‘sources’ crack me up. Think you looks so cool pretending you have inside information. rofl
It has nothing to do with being cool… It has to do with trying to help you guys get up to date information. if you don’t want it, disregard it. Simple.
When you say “my source” it’s obvious you’re trying to look like a big shot. Blackcourt agrees above, and I’m sure there are a ton more.
Serious, it sounds so retarded when you say ‘my source’, you have no idea.
And if he was wrong about the Bay thing, I wouldn’t be too proud to call him ‘my source’.
Yep… you’re right. I made it all up….
Lol… I’m sorry you think all writers are perfect. We will see how accurate his sources are tonight. Until then. I have nothing to say to you. Nor do I feel the need to prove myself or my source to you. I will share it once the story is posted. I do not need to steal my sources thunder. Simply know I have a source who’s telling me this, and if he’s incorrect, he’s incorrect. I’m doing what I can to provide you with up to date information.
This site is about arguing and helping people obtain new information. That’s all i’m doing, and I promise you its not something i’m just making up. If you followed the thread you would see i thought there was no way in the world he’d end up a Jay… My source told me otherwise… I am simply trying to help you out. once again. if you disagree, disregard it and keep your comments to yourself.
Well I read an article the Jays offered around $23M. He probably read the same ‘source’.
He’s got a 50/50 shot of being right, I don’t think we should get too excited if he’s wrong lol.
He disagrees that they would commit 23. He says its more around the 20.5MM range. The holdup, so I hear, is not the dollar amount, but the terms of the contract. Chapman would like to make a home for himself, and if he’s going all the way out to Toronto or Boston (and especially Anaheim) he would like to know that team is committed to his development and to him. He would like a no-trade clause, or at least a partial no-trade clause. My source believes that this may be the reason so many teams have gotten scared off recently. As someone (I’m not reading comment thread at the moment) pointed out earlier, it is hard to believe especially big market teams would be scared off by a few mil, especially the Sox. However, a no-trade clause would remove many teams from the discussions. This, I believe is just his speculation. I haven’t spoken with him since earlier, but I’d assume his article will be in tomorrows paper.
I heard from my source Jon Heyman that the Jays are likely the front runners for Chapman. You heard it from me first!
Yep… you’re right. I made it all up….
Lol… I’m sorry you think all writers are perfect. We will see how accurate his sources are tonight. Until then. I have nothing to say to you. Nor do I feel the need to prove myself or my source to you. I will share it once the story is posted. I do not need to steal my sources thunder. Simply know I have a source who’s telling me this, and if he’s incorrect, he’s incorrect. I’m doing what I can to provide you with up to date information.
This site is about arguing and helping people obtain new information. That’s all i’m doing, and I promise you its not something i’m just making up. If you followed the thread you would see i thought there was no way in the world he’d end up a Jay… My source told me otherwise… I am simply trying to help you out. once again. if you disagree, disregard it and keep your comments to yourself.
And once again, I provided some sources that I could to you earlier, and provided information before it was posted here, along with the source I got it from… So question me if you want to… I could really care less lol.
And once again, I provided some sources that I could to you earlier, and provided information before it was posted here, along with the source I got it from… So question me if you want to… I could really care less lol.
When you say “my source” it’s obvious you’re trying to look like a big shot. Blackcourt agrees above, and I’m sure there are a ton more.
Serious, it sounds so retarded when you say ‘my source’, you have no idea.
And if he was wrong about the Bay thing, I wouldn’t be too proud to call him ‘my source’.
It has nothing to do with being cool… It has to do with trying to help you guys get up to date information. if you don’t want it, disregard it. Simple.
Not to mention I’ve posted links to everything i’ve found except my source from the Herald who I will post later tonight when he gives me the ok. If you did any reading about the Jason Bay bidding awhile ago, you would know which writer i’m referring to. Thats all I will say. Thanks.
Not to mention I’ve posted links to everything i’ve found except my source from the Herald who I will post later tonight when he gives me the ok. If you did any reading about the Jason Bay bidding awhile ago, you would know which writer i’m referring to. Thats all I will say. Thanks.
lol yo Peter Gammons can you let me know who the Phils are going to get as their 5th starter?
Did I ever claim to know who the Phils 5th starter would be? I don’t have any connection to the organization and to be honest, I’m not a big fan of any Philadelphia team because their fans are arrogant even when they are terrible. Not saying the Phillies are terrible now, but I live in Central Jersey and I did not see a single Phillies jersey until they won the WS… Phillies fans are frontrunners. Always have been. Sorry. Just calling it as I see it and I’m sure there are plenty of exceptions to the rule. But I never saw a single Phillies hat or jersey until you guys won in 08…
And the same could be said for Red Sox fans until 2004. Next!
Lol yea the term fenway faithful came from nowhere… You’re right…
Lol yea the term fenway faithful came from nowhere… You’re right…
Did I ever claim to know who the Phils 5th starter would be? I don’t have any connection to the organization and to be honest, I’m not a big fan of any Philadelphia team because their fans are arrogant even when they are terrible. Not saying the Phillies are terrible now, but I live in Central Jersey and I did not see a single Phillies jersey until they won the WS… Phillies fans are frontrunners. Always have been. Sorry. Just calling it as I see it and I’m sure there are plenty of exceptions to the rule. But I never saw a single Phillies hat or jersey until you guys won in 08…
definetly sign with the angels
definetly sign with the angels
sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=4…
Angels still in the thick of things for Chapman
My sources indicated that there’s about an 80% chance Chapman gets a 3/18 deal done with the Los Angeles Clippers.
my source said raptors.
sources say he has some mean hops… but his control/aim beyond the arc are questionable..
i heard his free throws were clocked at 100mph, leaving holes through the backboard. tho apparently after some recent deaths to fans in the stands due to flaming basketballs, hes yet to connect fully with the fan base.
lol
hahahaha